Fleur-de-lis
Jan 27 2007, 03:13 PM
Ok, first can I say this probably won't make sense to you as I have no idea how I can describe this...Its just something thats been bugging me for years and I thought I'd see what you think...
You know when you forget an event in your life, to you, it's as if it never happened, right? You have no memory of what you did on that day, what the food you ate tasted like, the colours of the things you saw...It's as if it never happened, it's a blank spot in your life that might as well never been there. You know it definitely happened, but to you it's as if it never did.
Right now we know were alive because we can remember doing things like turning the computer on or whatever, but if we had no memory at all we would live our life doing things, but we would never remember them, so it's as if we were never alive in the first place.
So if after we die if there's just nothingness and we have know memory of living or dying, the how come we have conscious thought right now, and we can remember that were alive and the things we've done? If after you die you have no memory then we would be living our lifes right now but we wouldn't be aware that we are. Do you see what I mean? So, seeing as we have conscious thought now, there must be some point after death that we look back and remember our lives.
I know this makes no sense, but I really can't think of any other way to put it.
What do you think? Any questions about what I'm talking about just ask, I know it's confusing...
Raptor
Jan 27 2007, 03:38 PM
I know what you're getting at, I used to think about the same thing.
In the end it comes down to whether you believe consciousness (aware of being alive / existing) is physical, and just a result of your brain interpreting electrical signals and making sense of it all, or if it's something that reaches a 'spiritual' level.
If it's physical then I believe the answer would be that your thought is wrong, because all that matters is in the present. As long as all of the neurons and what ever else in our brains are functioning properly, we'll be in a state of consciousness with all of our memories. Right now, it doesn't matter what state they'll be in in the future. If they one day stop functioning (after death), then we lose consciousness, and that's that.
If it's spiritual, who knows. May be we are 'looking back' at ourselves right now.
It's hard to put in to words.
the rebirth
Jan 27 2007, 03:40 PM
if i died and nobody remembered me, did i still exist?
Fleur-de-lis
Jan 27 2007, 03:53 PM
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if i died and nobody remembered me, did i still exist?
Yes, you did, but its as if you never did...That's sort of what I'm trying to get at.
Cadetak
Jan 27 2007, 08:12 PM
Your memory would die with your brain...medically speaking of course. Spiritually speaking who knows.
If nobody remembers you after you died you still existed...theirs still evidence of your existence if anybody wanted to go looking for it.
Oh and theirs always the living things that never had any memory or conscienceness like bacteria and plants which kind of makes the original statement void...unless your saying that only conscience thins experience the afterlife.
red-star
Jan 28 2007, 04:57 PM
i sometimes think to myself i wonder what ill be thinking about when im dead then i think oh wait nothing, if theres nothing after life i find it very hard to grasp that we wont be thinking, wont be moving, but i hope thats not the case and there is life after death, its the same when thinking about space its like, it never ends if you think about that for awhile it becomes preety cofusing and also what was before the big bang and the start of the universe and even whats beyond space, when i was little i used to think everything beyond space was white and it was getting darker because space is growing
Mr Walker
Jan 29 2007, 03:53 AM
While it is difficult to accept, science, logic and rational thought indicate that when you die your consciousness will cease to exist just as it did not exist before you were conceived. People find many mental ways to avoid this, from trying to argue that time may not be linear ( Which is an element of your POV., to arguing that consciousness is not tied to the physical existence of the brain. These theories have partly replaced the good old religious argument based on faith, that life after death may be dependent on a suitable relationship with the creator. I actually prefer the latter argument.It is no less likely than the others, doesn't rely on pseudo science to rationalise it , has some experiential and tangible evidence to support it and just admits that it is a response to the spiritual element within each of our consciousnesses.
Crocodilian
Jan 29 2007, 04:22 AM
When an animal dies.....which we are....they are either eaten by predators or scavengers.
Being advanced animals we bury our own and the buried are absorbed by the ground.
Unless of course someone can prove differently.
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