Pyrokinesis is the ability to minipulate or even create fire with your mind, in my personal opinon it can be done, with enough focus, minipulation is probably alot easier. I just wanted some input on if you think it can be done or not.
You might notice that I have a post not far down the same page saying that I can do it, what I can do is minipulate it I can't create it, infact the coolest thing I can do is put it out, when I get angry is when it gets kind of scary because fire goes nuts when I do, so I guess my question is more do you think its possible to create it.

Asuris

NO, I do not believe it is possible.

And this thread will more than likely be closed do to the fact that this forum does not need any threads with,
"insert here"kinesis in them!

What is your problem?!? its not really your business what people post on here and aside from that pyrokinesis is considered a psychic phenomena

Yeah you can find it all over the net even in wikipedia, But this does not make it real. WHY? No solid evidence.


Examples of pyrokinesis in fiction
The following fictional characters are explicitly identified as having the psionic power of pyrokinesis:

Charlene "Charlie" McGee, main character of Stephen King's novel Firestarter.
Firebenders in the animated television series Avatar: The Last Airbender.
Junko Aoki of the Miyuki Miyabe novel Crossfire and the film Kurosufaia (Pyrokinesis in English)
Kyo Kusanagi, his father Saisyu, and rivals Iori Yagami and Ash Crimson in the King of Fighters series of video games.
Liz Sherman, young woman from Hellboy comic books and film.
Razputin, who gains this and other psychic powers in the video game Psychonauts.
Robin Sena, the main character from the anime Witch Hunter Robin.
Rusty Collins, fire-generating mutant in X-Factor and X-Force comic books.
St. John Allerdyce, alias Pyro, fire-manipulating mutant in X-Men comics and films.
Warren Peace from the film Sky High.
Wilder and Wallace, brothers in the film Wilder Napalm.

just because there is no solid evidence doesnt mean it cant be done, and why do I care what there is in books movies or shows that have it in them, that really has nothing to do with my question

Whats wrong with ___kinesis? It is unexplained phenomenon, they whole reason for this forum!

Pyrokinesis has been reported and witnessed throughout history, but has never been defrauded or made fact. So here is an idea, lets try to keep ourselves open to the unexplained on the unexplained mysteries forum eh?

You cannot manipulate fire with your mind alone, it goes against science, logic and reason.

thank you, at least someone on here isn't a *complete* sceptic (on that note there is nothing wrong with being sceptic its just some people namely Moro Bumbleroot and mr moe take it a bit too far, question everything but not to the point where you believe in nothing)



just because it goes against science does not mean its not possible

Um, yes it does. That the point of science. Providing answers and separating the impossible from the possible.

I guess thats all we need to know. You say it can't be done it must be true

IMO science hasn't even begun to understand the powers of the mind, or entire wavelengths of energy that exist in the universe and inside of all of us. IMO to say that something is impossible just because it isn't understood by science is close minded and ignorant (ignorant not as an insult simply that you don't really know, but claim to so vehemently,) but if you try and tell me you know what each square millimeter of the brain is used for, how it functions, and all of its limitations I'm going to have to call you a liar.

That is rather broad.

nothing in this world is proven fact its all just perception, you could probably find one scientist who will defend blindly that its impossible where as you could find another one that will say that it could be possible,
think of it like the date of creation, some scientists say it was billions of years ago but religious scientists will say it was 6006 years ago, no one really knows for sure

This may be true, but I highly doubt that we are going to find a part of the brain that can magically move fire.

And then there are people who blindly believe the impossible.

I missed the part where I said it was magic

lol that was good, thank you for the support!

I didn't say that you said magic, now did I? I was just saying that you can't just move stuff with your mind.

and why not? most people only use 20% of their brain, no scientist has ever said its impossible to tap into some small part of that other 80%

It's not against science to believe that their is a great unknown force of energy that flows through all things in the universe (this includes fire,) linking all things in existence on an as of yet unidentified by science (yet known to mystics, shaman, and occultist for thousands of years,) energetic plane of reality, known alternatively as the astral plane, the otherworld, the upper world, ect... When one taps their mind (or spirit if you prefer) into this level of existence to cause effects on this physical plane (ie magic,) it could be very plausible that one could manipulate fire, or matter, or temperature, or anything else.

wow! that was an amazing way of putting it

^ I said magic!!

deal with it

MR MOE Im so happy your here to debate me

I got my vitamins today

I have to admit you raise a good arguement, but until proven otherwise, your brain does nothing more than think and control your body (yes I know that is an understatement). The only way it can affect outside your body is if it uses your a bodypart to do so. It is hard to explain, but do you get my point?

And yet, ironically, no scientist has said it is possible to tap into a part of your brain that controls fire.


Likewise.

And when this becomes absolute fact, and a part of everyday life in the modern world i will believe it is possible!
Until then you are still only living in a fantasy world.

~Moro

I can understand closemindedness (is that even a word ) beleive me, I deal with it everyday. I do hope that someday you have an experience that opens your eyes a little. I do respect you though, we need people like you, otherwise we'd still be affraid to have sex on sunday, and preform human sacrafice everytime it thundered. lol

lol! I'm going to put that in my signature or something if you don't mind

It is fact to me, just cause you can't put it under a microscope doesn't make it unreal. You have to open your mind before you can experience this other level of existance, I have and so have millions of others around the world, far back into the days of cave paintings. If you choose to limit the powers of your mind to what other people with fancy degrees tell you is possible then be my guest.

I might be living in a "fantasy world," but your living in a world built for you by someone else.

Have at it, quote me all you want.

Well - unless you are talking about, thinking on "practical" way of thinking through on how to control fire.
... Strike A Match or other proven ways to ignite and control fires. Yes I would agree.

But if you are making an OPINION of starting a flame w/JUST the power of thought alone, personal opinion simply is not enough. You should actually think about all the processes that would be involved in doing this. All the DYNAMICS you would have to "control with your thoughts".

There simply is no evidence, proof to even suggest that such a thing is even remotely possible, with the exception of Science Fiction stories/moives/cartoons/comics.

You cannot even supply a valid rational for this dynamic, other than "personal opinion" - which is not a 'valid rational'.

There are a lot of people in the recent 20 so years that have tried, experimented and played with this concept. ALL OF THEM WERE DEAD ENDS - meaning it simply could not be done. Please do not suggest, "Well just because it hasn't been done, doesn't mean it can't." In this case, yes it does.

PROOF: Supply a valid theory explaining how this dynamic would work. "Just thinking it" is NOT a "Valid Theory" -

Jj -

I respect you as well, for you are one of the few people who can raise a compeling arguement. But until the day comes that I have an experience that opens my eyes, I will have to remain closeminded and skeptical on the subject.

I'm just trying to picture a world with pyrokinesis in it!
WOW... It really doesn't look that good of a place to live in.

lol, I can just imagine that.

Any practitioner of magic should be able to present this idealolgy to you, otherwise they have place to be practicing magic at all. This plane of energy is how Christian prayer, wiccan rituals, buhdist meditation, ghostly phenomenon, and all realities of the occult are possible. Though each sect refuses to recognize that the other paths might have the same links to their divine power

Thats why not very many people can do it I suppose. I beleive it would take a lot of practice, meditation, devotion, understanding, realization, years and years of practice, and once it was achieved it wouldnt be something you would just flaunt in peoples faces, or even tell anyone that you could. True occult power is not a parol trick to show off for audiences or impress chicks, its a standard of life that takes dedication, not something you acquire because you wanna be an X-Man or a member of the cast of Buffy.

Yes, I couldn't agree with you more I think the power of belief has much to do with it, if you truly believe it is possible then with enough practice and focus, you will be able to achieve it. I myself am very interested in pyrokinesis as well as other psi phenomena and have been for a long while. I've read how people can simply move their hand infront of the flame and will go out, of course in the back of my mind I think to myself ... "Hmm maybe they moved their hand quickly and the force of air blew it out." I suppose me thinking too many "what ifs" and doubting it would get in the way of any psi development, don't you think? But I can say that I have had experiences myself (not with pyrokinesis) but with other things so yes I do believe it is possible.. the real issue is training your mind which is why meditation is so important.

Exactly, but not just your doubt, their is a collective doubt that is often reffered to as the veil, which hinders not just our power as individuals but our powers as an entire race.

wow I missed alot in the short time I was gone

I have read quite a bit on these religions, and i will have to say that i have never read on any such powers.

Where do you get this information?

~Moro

What a silly thing to say? You've studied christianity but have never heard of prayer or miracles? You've studied paganism but have never heard of magic or rituals? You have studied bhudism but never heard of collective concious or astral projection? What exactly did you study about these religions then? Every beleif system has its own ideaology on how and why these energies work, where they come from, and their own prefered method of use. Though each to itself may not recognize the potential of truth in the other, does not mean that each does not have real power.

Give proof of even one that can do this.....

Funny that you quote X-Men and Buffy - because this is exactly where this thread came from - Science Fiction Fantasy. Nothing more and nothing less. There is simply not one valide documentation in the real world of anyone that can do "Pyrokinesis" - except on these fantasy shows.

Exactly!!!
You believers act like some people actually have these cartoon "powers".
Show us one of these people and proof of it.
You can't and do you know why you can't? Because its pure fantasy.
I have no problem with what you want to "believe in" but please don't try to say its real when not one person has ever stepped forward to show the ability to be able to prove these cartoon "powers".

If there were valid documented cases then it wouldn't be an unexplained mystery and would have no place on this board. That is a bit redundent to expect that and I really feel this is not the forum for you if that is your expectations on each topic discussed. If you don't want to discuss undocumented or unverified material than discussions in the metaphysic, astrology, and psychic phenomenon will be most dissatitisfying for you.
Enough of this silliness, I never claimed that I know anyone, or have received proof that pyrokinesis is practiced, factually beyond a doubt, but I have seen to much and done to much to not give it the benifit of the doubt. I have discussed this and similar phenomenon with many, many people over these last few years, and have even seen videos linked on this very forum dealing with this subject. I don't know how this differs from any other paranormal phenomenon, or why it can't be discussed

Your not getting it....
A true example of pyrokinesis would likely be fairly unimpressive to the untrained eye. Hours of focus and meditation, concentrating on a flame with a minimum visual response. However on the energy level that I was refering to the effects might be more profound. You think we are refering to people with powers to shoot flames from their fist like flame throwers, thats rediculous, obviously a normal human isn't capable of that much energy manipulation so long as the veil is in place, once upon a time maybe.

so you spend hours staring at say a candle flame and when it flickers (which it does naturally) you say that you caused it?

Im not offering proof, just expainations from a metaphysical point of view.

Only if you made it flicker? Isn't that obvious? And I repeat for the third time in this thread, I don't say that "I" caused anything as I have never attempted it.

If it were a true manipulation of energy then it could be measured, guess what no one ever has. You can believe in anything, but don't expect us to understand it or accept it.

You do realize what you've said here, do you not??

What is a "Mystery"?
Something that HAPPENS that cannot be explained, thus the MYSTERY! "How did they do that??"

But in order for there to be a "Mystery" - something had to have happened! Other words there would have to be a documentation of the 'event' to begin the "Mystery"

In this focal point Fiction is not a "mystery", it's FICTION! There is no way to diglog a fictional power.

Why are 'we' asked to basically leave because we are here to dialog about verifiable, valid and real Psi Ablities. Not Fictional-Theory, that never has a remote chance of being real.

Now understand, as I have stated before: Verifiable does NOT mean UNDERSTOOD. It just means someone did 'this', it's documented. But is it fully understood - NO. That is where the Mystery comes into play.

What is 'dissatitisfying' to me, is dialogs of unreal and imagined 'powers'. How is this to be a real dialog?? What is this fiction based on? Fiction. So what is the dialog foundation: Fiction. How is having a dialog on something that is not real or ever has a chance of being real - rewarding?? Unless you are writing a Sci-Fi book and looking for ideas to put in your sci-fi story. I guess that would work.

The question is what are we actually discussing?? A fictional power that will never happen?? How do we have a REAL dialog that??

We are now taking a more active stance against nonsensical posts in this section, in particular posts in which members are making claims of psychic 'powers'. This is not to say that the discussion of psychic phenomena is discouraged, but that threads such as "i can perform (insert word here)kinesis!!!!" are detrimental to our efforts to provide a place for serious discussion pertaining to metaphysical phenomena.

With this in mind, this thread is now closed.