I have come here to spread the word to the world wide world about my huge discovery. I may sound like some random kid saying crap, but when you see what I have realized, I think you may be stunned. I am 11 years old, an A and B student in 6th grade, but I have come with vauluable and debateable theories that may change the way we look at everything. My name is Phil Elias

Well, I warned you. I wrote this document in less then 20 minutes.




The Theory of Information

Phil Elias

I have realized something that may or may not be true. It may have been inspired by recent learnings of some of Stephen Hawkings best work, or just the thinking I give myself every day. What is life? An opportunity? A labor? An enjoyable 90 years? Hence, why are we born when we are? Why aren’t I born in the year 2500? Why are you the 200-years late you? Is everything set in time? This is not the question. But then, what is?

Any real question is the question of how, the answer is why. Information, based on the 3 decade debate of itself, is said to not be able to be lost. Black holes can have no effect on information whatsoever. It can change it. Jumble it. Mix it. But not take it away from existence in any way.

Time is a mystery within itself, tying into space, action, and the most effective, religion. Can you change your future? Or worse-- could the future just not happen? Frozen? While the information that any other living being causes it to believe time moves? What if time is nothing but two hands on a clock. Nothing but sunrise and sunset. No impact, only a measurement. And it is true.

Say that everything stopped progressing. No question about it. But the information packed into our minds believes that every tick of a second on a clock is an advance in time. No, just a measurement. Nothing else. Atoms. Matter. Existence. Time has no effect.

And that brings us back to information. Information can not be destroyed. And the basic truths we’ve come to be forced to understand under the foundation of math and physics that we have build upon ourselves. Two objects cannot occupy the same space. Matter cannot be created or destroyed. How to we know that? It’s a complete paradox, and a hell of a question.

And this information is a life of its own. Possibly, information is a world upon itself. It causes us to see what we see, do what we do. We simply live on an extremely unstable amount of information. And that’s all it is. Time is useless. The information gathered by beings is tied together into this space, endless, infinite space. But that has a large backslash. Is there a parallel? An exact copy? Right down to every micro-bit of matter? No. It cannot. It is simply out of the question. Impossible. Its against, as we have found out, the crumbling physics theories we have surrounded ourselves with.
We don’t need math to explain it. Only an idea. An explanation. Why do I say this? Who is to say Phi Elias to say it? Possibly because I’m the only one who has stepped up to say it.

But information is contained beyond atoms. Beyond the infinity of neutrons. It is so gratifyingly set up in such a way. Has it been this way the whole time? Well, we already threw the idea of time out the window. It is just there. It is information itself that moves itself into a progressing thing we, or at least I, used to call time. Thats where the idea comes from. If time wasn’t invented, think of where we would have gotten already.

The big bang? Just an event. The beginning? No. What beginning? The beginning of information. And it goes to show, the big bang theory is correct. If information can not be destroyed, it was just jam packed into an unstable particle in the middle of nothing. And before that? It was all in there. It was going on. Of course, different, the information jumbled and confused. But all the same bits and pieces that is arranged now.

So what is to say this will stay in such a formation? Will this information stay in this sort of condition? Will, all of a sudden, all information change? It has to. Since time doesn’t exist, it is up to information, the unstable paradox within itself, to decide, without a mind, when to change, and change everything that exists. But in a way, that the information will not be new. The same. But rearranged.

I just have to say one thing:

*in Italian accent* Don't worry about it.

I don't ask someone to worry about it. I ask someone think about it. I'm not worrying about anything. I want people to look at something in a different way. And I want people to know what I'm talking about, and throw in their replies.

Well i think the aliens or Gods don't care about time. Anyone who could think deeper will have a place on this universe and the other goes to recycle bin.

It doesn't really matter who you are or what you think you have discovered, what is true for you is not so for everyone else.

However, if we are all living in an illusion, maybe our thoughts and discoveries are also illusions, what we think are the ultimate truths are nothing of the kind but just relevant to our particular way of thinking at that time. Hence why some people think there is an afterlife and others just think that once you are gone, you are gone, dead, buried, nothing afterwards. Time, emotions, what we see, hear, even our information it probably all turns out to be one great big illusion.

It is indeed exciting when you think you have found a truth that could change the world, but the thing is you can never change everyone's mind. It's not that people are being awkward it is just that they have their own ideas and beliefs. I suppose this is the trap we could all fall into, what we believe is the ultimate is all an illusion.

Welcome to the club.

Of course, I understand how hard-headed people can be. And I'm glad you understand what I am saying here. Naw, I'm not trying to change the world, it's just a new way of looking into life.

Once Again, the answer to all this is withing the realm of possibility.

Hi phillee!

I must start off by saying that you write very well for an 11 year old.

Great thoughts, though I have to agree, its possible, but not probable.
How did you come up with this stuff?

I have to agree...write the writer for 11. But, I fail to see in your reasoning how you disprove time, and then instantly rule that information is any more of a tangible concept. Information is processed as thought, which is, in most cases, regarded as not taking up any space or being anywhere near refutably proven. It all finds its way back to the "cogito ero sum" argument proposed by Descartes. before information can be recognized as being eternal, it must first be established as an tangible entity, and it is no closer than time to being such.

Welcome to UM. And yes, you write well for your age. Hell you write well for a high school Senior. Your ideas are interesting and I won't dismiss them as non-plausible until I give it a think. However I could never buy into "life is a complete and total illusion" because I know that there is way too much reality in what I call life. More than I want some days.

Thanks for the coms/crits.

How I came up with this, is I heard about Stephen Hawking's Information Paradox theory. I thought time was getting old. I realized, it doesn't matter. It makes time travel impossible, because you would have to connect the information invested in you or your guina pig for your experiment to find the path of the information of the place in 'time' you want to go to, which nuclear and atomic physics cannot go.

i just wanna let you know that your not the only one who this information has been remembered by and im glad that its making itself more known to more people as of now. and i wanna let you know that me and my friends are on the same page of waking people up. and hopefully when your fully developed, because i can see why some of your thoughts are as they are in the way you want people to see life this way and not realizes that others have already been thinking like this. but thats just a matter of experience and you already do understand the things you dont yet, just in the future that you havnt experienced yet. but at least you got yourself to experience the life in which you do realize these truths and not one of the ones where you get too caught up in the flow of the way things are experienced and believed by the majority of people. oh i meant hopefully when your fully developed you will learn how to work with psychedelics and other plants to learn and experience the things they have in their life in existence.

are you saying he should take drugs?

Everyone believes what he wants to believe. One is well advised to try to believe things most likely to be true since it gives you better odds of success in everyday activities. One becomes his beliefs in time. Everything is perspective. Try to learn to step outside your place and time as it will improve your perspective.

It seems you have this last down pat already.

no. im saying i hope hes one of the ones whos able to work with the plants counscious percieving chemicals by introducing them into the arena of his counscious percieving chemicals.

Hi Phillee

i think your work is fasinating and full of wonders~ but i want you to explain to me what you mean by information. i always think of this way, when i emit a thought, that thought will turn into information? which it has to go somewhere? or is it a totally different thing? so when people think that big bang was the beginning everything~ that thought will create the similar situation because the universe HAS to respone to you in some way~ (According to the Laws of Attraction) if you can reply, that will be great





thank you

What?

Do you want him and some plants to take drugs together?

You want the plants to be conscious of perceiving chemicals?

I don't understand.

Phil, the thing that first struck me about your original post, besides my skepticism about you being 11, is that is read very much like some automatic writing. How did you come about that original presentation you posted?



I'm sorry but I was quite amused by the idea that you can't just walk up and force crack on an unsuspecting fern - you have to get it kind of at ease, you know, hang out, have a pizza, and gradually sort of slip it a hit of acid and then go "Surprise! We're both on drugs, pal!" Hahah. I think it may just be because its late that this seems so funny to me right now. =) And no I'm not on drugs.

Mannnn.....I need to talk to my kids teachers he's 14 and he only talks about football and if he was to write about it he couldnt do it as well as this....
So cudos there Philee .....That is unless you've copied and pasted from somewhere else
On your theory ...who knows you may be right ....hopefully a guy with your ability at such a young age will take the right scientific route in later life.....and you may even be able to prove it
Take care

I really don't understand your point about information and time.

It's called an illusion, unimportant and down right nonexistant by some. But, I say that time is what you make of it.

In the end, time is pretty much important in our everyday lives. We use it to plan, live and learn. Without time, we wouldn't age a day.

By information, I think you mean by matter that has already been created which can never be destroyed.

Either that, or you think information is a part of the universal consciousness of life itself.

I can imagine seeing numbers of information, sort of like a Matrix-esque background. But, it really depends on how you look at life.

That was a long "yes".

It's a beautyful way of seeing it though, but terribly flawed if you think about it as it's only specific organics that give any effect at all. Also some kills you.

I do discreetly agree that it's a wonderful substance for expanding your concious under the right conditions and by treating it with respect, but advertising it to 11 year olds is just... Not cool.

And if you really knew what you were talking about you'd also know that an 11 year old mind that is so expanded already would just be caught in "the eternal loop", which is the plants way of telling you : "I have nothing more to show you! Move on!"

has anyone else noticed that these pre-awakenings like the OP seems to be having often contain visions and revelations about black holes and quantum mechanics?....B

lolol

you watched the butterfly effect way too many times.


kid, when you get a job. you will see the REAL truth. we all become slaves to the money

:-p

you make it seem like information is so fluid like. (as in recieving information by telepathy and whatnot)

how about when the information multiplies. wouldn't that create an overpopulation of information causing the universe to go nuts? or or would it depend on our brains.

in a sense you are right about time. but time is ONLY obstructed via speed of light. and if your talking about that "energy" under all those particles going at the speed of light, then you are right about that to a certain extent.

You're 11!?!?

Anyway, it's funny you spoke of how "heard-headed" people can be there little fella. You seem to think you've got it all figured out, but it's heard-headedness that makes you so sure.

Your theories, while plausible, are no more plausible than several others I've heard the last few years. Too easy to argue for and against all of them.

As for time, I know my hand is broke and in 6 weeks I'll have the pins out and I should be able to lift things again, because that is the amount of time my body needs to heal itself. I know several geological eras ago the continents were all attatched, and after all this time they've changed and will continue to do so. I think time is one of the few things I can believe in for sure.

To be clearer, events need time. If the universe were eventless time would seemingly stand still. You interperet this as time being just a measurement, and while it is indeed such, recognize that it can't be described as "useless". Think of a vast and empty universe...no planets, stars, or dust. What is distance? Nothing? Well in the case that there are no points A or B in which to rationalize distance, then yes, distance is nothing. Much like in a case where there is no period A or B in which to rationalize time. But the truth is we can measure time and distance because both exist.

Hope that's better than my last post. I read it after posting it and realized how half-assed it was. I just hate typing with just my left hand.

the specific organics, as you put it, are not the effect givers but the carriers of the information being given. i was just trying to emphasize how the chemicals that have psychoactive effects from plants are bassically something like relatives of the chemicals in our brain responsible for our own psyche. our natural psychoactive chemicals. i empphasized it so maybe people would start to see them as not active in the psyche, but make the psyches playground active. "also some kills you"... well duh bro anything can kill you. you guys say how smart this kid is but you seem to doubt him in his ability to work with his psyche to the extent of recomending he not try them. thats horrible to me, and i dont see how, or why, you would recomend he not experience that aspect of experience. i mean i could see if he was an average joe shmoe 11 year old, but hes not, or at least doesnt appear to be, so why would you think he would get into trouble if he used them when he matured? and since he is already expanded he'll probly be like me when he gets older, (i got 6 years of life on him) and be able to always see the next level up of things, this is how he will be able to keep refining whatever theories he makes; by seeing what hes already come up with, then taking all aspects of it, putting it in the bigger picture of things, and seeing if it still makes sense. and dont think i think psychedelics are the only way of seeing these things, i know two people who are naturally like this, they're lucky, but find it hard to break out of the way existence is thought it should be experienced.

back on topic about his theory, i think you have seen past the cover of the truth but still find it hard to interpret it or turn it into the right words to best describe it. heres how it is. time is nothing like you have seen and as i have seen. but i have also seen so much that i realized theres a point when you see that once you attain the state of everything you'll soon realize that it is just like nothing. imagine seeing, well actually being, everything that is and ever was in all the ways it could ever be. youll see that this is only half of things because if your trully all that, then you'd need to also be everything that never was and never could be in all the times that you never were or could be. this is a paradox which your gonna have to learn to understand. its not hard actually and you seem to understand the importance of this anyway. this is how things would be when you take time out of the equation. most will only be able to imagine the existence of time not existing by everything being still. and this is right, they just dont understand that if you cancel time you dont make it not exist. it cancels out because you become able to perceive everything, all information, at once because you stop filtering it and just let it come on you, i guess actually through you, like a tidal wave. no more thoughts? yes, but not because you no longer have a councsiousness, because you no longer have the need to think about things because all things are you. at this point you can choose to stop because you've already experienced all that is, i mean, you are all that is or ever was, or you can choose to keep going into the new void thats slowly making itself able to be known by you. you might actually just slip into it without even knowing because, well, you actually are not everything that is; you cant be, because if you were, then what are all these things around you, that arent you, but very similar to you. there seems to be an infinite amout of them, and now that you can see things better you realize wait, while ill be goddammed i know what these are and what i am now, ive been this before and always, just another one of the many smallest building blocks of physicalness that there is: the peice of everything that is nothing, and your back at the begining of the loop again, but did you just go too far out or did you fall back in? was it both in the same? and why is it that you need to keep percieving yourself like this? because this is what you are. you are infinity. you experience your infinite self to yourself in an infinite number of ways with an infinite number of possibilities, even the possiblity of you not experiencing yourself to yourself. infinity as you are is a parodox because true everything, is everything and its opposites, or else its not really everything. and if your everything your everything with its opposite, nothing. and these are both in the same space at once while also being at once not in the same space. you exist and dont exist at the same time too: the time of no time really because time is just the step the mind uses to become aware of itselfs higher physicality. we created ourselves like this as a way to make sure well never actually stop existing and never stop having things to remember about ourselves. but after having realized this you must ask yourself is this really how things are? or just how the human mind programmed itself to answer the big question so it can comprehend the state of not existing anymore. or maybe its the only way our brain is able to make the illogical logical, by throwing it in a loop. youll come to realize that we'll never actually be able to learn true answers, just the way we are able to think our answers are true.

Hello phillee, Your there already, there is no time or motion in your mind. What there is, is information of all the experiance's your mind has encountered, and like the big bang theory, that information shapes you{universe}{self} For however many people may be around you, you are your own universe. With your own information that shapes your perceptions of the experiance's you encounter.

I have two,17 and 19 year old children, who havent figured out what you have yet. They think i'm a nut, with affection.

Keep going with it.

Phillie, I was looking something else up and ran across your thoughts. I only signed up on here to get a hold of you. I'm not going to bother writting a comment but if you would like to dicuss these things my email is hypnos40@hotmail.com hope you write one day because i've never heard these things come from a child and you have some great potential...

is it just me or are there more smart kids. And with a very simliar first name to me

Being 15 right now, I know that i can come up with many many theories an all. But within a week or two they might change drastically, so spend alot more time on it. Like i said I'm 15 and still not fully done, there are ppl 70+ who have spent their whole lives thinking on maybe only one simple problem, but not come up with a whole complete theory that is unflawed from every perspective. But still, i guess im impressed. I like my written work better though

Hi Phillee
I'm not sure I totally understand your post, but our universe can be understood as a flow of information. For example, the Second Law of Thermodynamics states that entropy increases with time (which you may not believe exists). In other words, things change spontaneously from an ordered state to a disorderd state, and information is therefore lost. When we build a house out of bricks we are adding information to a pilie bricks...the way in which they are stacked can be considered the added information we have given them. After a hundred years the house may have fallen down and become a pile of bricks again. It's entropy has increased and that information we created has been lost.

As I said, the physical processes of the universe can be thought of as a flow of information. The way molecules form, the behavior of atoms, the interactions of elementary particles can be considered as exchanges of information. When two pool balls collide they exchange information that determines the outcome of the collision. The Big Bang itself can be thought of as a self-created information system. Particle physics is about how information is stored within each particle, or more properly, this information IS the particle (protons, electrons, etc.) and how they communicate their information with each other, and the results of this mutual communication.

However, at this quantum level, the level at which these elementary particles behave, there is always an uncertainty as to the information they carry. Their complete set of information cannot be known before they interact with each other. It's like elementary particles hide what they're going to do until they actually do it. So in this sense, a particle's self-knowledge is in a 'superposition' of which we can have no knowledge until the particle decides to communicate with its surroundings. Whether this hidden information is actually contained within our universe or exists in a different plane of reality is not known.

What I'm trying to get at is, the physical world we experience around us is in reality just bits of information that express themselves as physical objects. A rubber ball is a complex set of instructions. A ball of information. When we bounce the ball against the floor, one bit of information (the ball) is communicating with another bit of information (the floor). The bounce is the result of this mutual communication.

I'm not sure if all this has much to do with the idea in your post, they're just my thoughts in general on the subject.

Information is only information when its relevant to a spectator, in this case human beings. If you think about it the universe began when you were born and able to interpret it, the point where information becomes understandable is the point of beginning from what I'm understanding from what ur typing. Unfortunately the universe was still there before you or I were born, and useless "laws" were still floating around, I somehow doubt the universe came into existance simply so we could interpret its many wonders.

Thank you.

I'm back, I'm now 13, and I look back on this, and I say wow. Thank you all so much for paying attention to this, I damn near forgot about it. Its been 2 years now... I feel like I missed a lot. Thank you to EVERONE who responded, I really appriciate how you guys took this all into consideration.

And to you, hyptat40, I'll be sure to contact you.

I'll be back into the flow of things shortly.