There's no need for a war when i was a teenager we didn't have the gothic thing going either, There was no EMO kid's running around and no one had fang's....But time's have changed alot and i have no problem with any of it as long they don't hurt anyone and use donor's for their need of blood, Let's face it there are no Undead vampire's,. But for what ever reason there are people who have a need to drink blood....

Well, times have changed. Like you two said.

One thing that this Topic has shown me is that there more to the vampire than what is in the movies and what Goths do when their not in school or at work.
One question I have is if you do not consider yourself a mythilogical vampire or noseferatu, why label yourself as that? The term I have herd for those that feel they need to drink living blood to survive is Hemophilia which is considered a mental illness that dates back to when the vampire myth was around in belief as a real creature. Now I understand that to label your self a Hemophiliac would just state that your crazy or mentaly ill but still the label of a vampire will do the same. True vampire mythology besides the eastern European version still state the vampire as a vile monster. From China to South America, vampire mythology has been in almost every cultures mythology. Perhaps their accounts of vampires were hemophiliacs who A) were feared and catagorized as monsters since superstition was around back then more than rationalized thought was. Or B ) They were hemophiliacs who because of little or none medical intellegence were buried alive due to their "vamp out" seizure or coma. and dug themselves out of their graves and because of trama of being buried alive or the mental state Blue Moods stated that the vamp out episodes cause became a "undead" person who because of their hemophilia attacked people to drink their blood. Have you ever noticed in the old stories of vampires that they after being "re-born" go to their loved ones homes and feed of them? Perhaps their is a sense of truth to the myth by investigating such like Blue Moods. My opinion, always keep an open mind to such that you do not know about or do not understand.

There are a few medical diseases theorized as the reason in vampire circles. One of the primary reasons we use the term vampire is to classify ourselves in a way non vampires at least semi understand and to distinguish us from hemophiliacs, bloodists, lifestylers etc... The few that I, and any who take what we are seriously have been tested for hemophilia and any other medical annomally that may be the cause and have negative test results. as of yet science doesn't have the answers we want. Among ourselves and families, we don't call ourselves vampires, we prefer sanguinarian or sanguine but, that just gets "what is a sanguinarian?" with those unfamiliar with the term. we end up explaining that as close as most would even begin to understand is vampire.
The shortened version, VAMP, is an insult, implying one who can't control the need or more often one who chooses not to control themselves. there are few who haven't, at least to some degree, vamped at least once in thier lives, but it's not something we are proud of nor is it generally discussed openly, even among ourselves. "Twoofy, tweak those you hear often with us, our way of saying "I've been a bit too long without a feed." Most roleplayers, emo, goth, even bloodists calmly accept "vamp' for them it is just an abbreviated word. true vampires will use it themselves, but let a "mundane" ( latest term for non vampiric person) call us "vamp" and we generally correct them. With friends it's something of a friendly insult, similar to people of color's use of "******" among themselves.
And I won't bite your head off if you call me a vamp.

I pint of blood is too much(or coming close to a pint), you CANNOT be ingesting close to a pint of blood in one feeding, you would end-up poisoning yourself(especially if this is done twice a week or more) and getting your stompach pumped. I happen to correspond with several serious Sanguines that tell me that a cup is about as much as the body can take....stomach capacity has nothing to do with it....it has to do with the bodies inability to digest blood in large amounts, it leads to poisoning, I've seen it occur before and it's not a pretty sight....sweats, vomiting etc....I have no problem believing that you drink blood, or have a donor, or believe it makes you feel better beacuse of some psychological/spititual(prana) understanding..no problem at all..you seem like a level-headed, intelligent individual(like many of the individuals I have had the pleasure of meeting)....but there is no physical NEED for anyone to drink blood, period.

You have just nailed what separates a true sanguinarian or blood vampire from a lifestyler or bloodist. We can take a full meal of blood and not suffer any digestive upset. Quite the opposite for us it's as good or better than your favorite comfort food meal. And we do have a real need, not to survive, that we would without blood, but I wouldn't call that living, just surviving.
I've seen the effect blood has on non vampires who attempt it, have had to take a few to the hospital. Occasionally they do manage to find thier way into our circles, and manage to convince us they are real, well until they try to match one of the heavy feeders. in effect it amounts to almost instantaneous severe food poisoning symptom wise. for a bloodist I'd recommend 4 ounces at most, and if you are simply curious and would like to try one of my meals. First insure safety, sterile scalpels, blades, or if you've the skill needles. Next both you and your prospective donor need a full blood work up for everything from diseases, anemia, diabetes, even cellular abnormalities. Assuming that is clear, neither one of you can have so much as the hint of a cold, flu, allergy anything. the donor can't be taking any medications beyond vitamins, and by the way high doses of B vitamins taste horrible.
Once all the health issues are clear, and you have sterile equipment, time to clean the site of the cut or draw, prep as a nurse would for removing a mole or drawing blood. Clean and sanitize the donor's skin, your hands and, if you plan to feed directly from the wound make only a small slit in a dental dam and use it. Safer is to use a cup or glass to drink from. Then if you are just experimenting take one ounce at most. Clean the cut, bandage it and thank your donor. if you can find a practiced bloodist or vampire to guide you all the better.
THE one exception to absolute protection is when I feed from my love. Even then we sterilize everything, but because we are in an intimate relationship anyway, I will feed with a cold or flu, directly from the cut, and skip the dental dam. even then we are both tested every 3 months for any issues that would halt feeding. personally, with my donor I use a glass which is the safest. no matter what else you do, NEVER attempt feeding from any artery, veins only - PERIOD and never from the neck or too close to the wrist. There are too many nerves close to the veins in the wrist and nerves and arteries make the neck too risky to even consider.
The upper forearm, a bit more than half way to the elbow, the calf and, if your donor is comfortable with it, especially in females the veins near the breast are good sites. You have to be careful not to cut too deeply, and if and or two ounces is all you need, then small veins and capillaries will suffice. I always keep the telephone nearby, on the off chance something does go wrong, I can quickly call for help. That has never happened for me, but mistakes and accidents are always possible. Even with every precaution we are, in a small way, taking our donor's life in our hands and we have to remain aware of the trust our donors give us every time we feed. As hard as it is, we can never allow ourselves to take a donor for granted, they are trusted and valuable friends who willing give more than anybody has a right to ask from another person.

Why was this comment directed at me?

uh oh, Coldethyl is about to unleash her rage......

i'm moving on to a new topic!

No, no, I'm just curious. I made an innocuous statement and then an entire paragraph was directed at me. I'm perfectly willing to accept it might have been a mistake.

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So, forgive me if I'm misunderstanding you, but your saying that you and other "true" Sanguinarians can consume as much blood as you can hold(stomach-capacity-wise) and will not suffer from any type of sickness or poisoning?

I would say a desire to drink blood, but not a medical need to do so. I always tend to agree with beautiful women.

First Coldeythl, the "you" was intended as a plural, unfortunately the English language is lacking in a plural that appeals to my sense of grammar. I have yet to meet any outside vampires and bloodists who accept us completely. Yes including my love, she took me for a bloodist until I allowed her to be with me during a feed with my donor.
Second, Onyxdk, yes that is the primary thing that separates us from lifestylers and bloodists. While they may enjoy a feed as much as any sanguinarian, they will suffer the ill effects of over-consumption. I've never gorged to capacity, but I would except no more effect than from over eating any other meal. As with any meal, gorging is not only bad manners, it's unhealthy and does create discomfort for the one doing the eating. Doing so on human blood would also be harmful to the donor. Blood banks limit donations to one pint for very sound medical reasons. Even at donating a pint, many experience lightheadedness or dizziness. My donor is fine with a pint, but he also knows the schedule and knows he needs to eat shortly before feeding me, avoid alcohol, stay hydrated, and have fresh juice afterward.
There are other differences, not as significant, age for one. Not many, even devout bloodists, continue that choice beyond 40 or so. Most will leave it if are involved in a serious relationship with somebody who doesn't approve of or is upset by blood play. I don't have that luxury, my love either accepts it along with the rest of me, or sooner or later it ends in a break up. No need of going into my love life too far, but yes I have lost two over it that I would have rather not lost, and yes I did attempt to make do with substitutes, much as a smoker trying to quit would.
That, I suppose brings up the next issue, substitutes for blood. Yes we use them, all sangs do. The trouble is, all they accomplish is quelling the taste and, with some mouth feel, for an hour or so, just a distraction. Some of them are less than appetizing, even to us, especially beef blood purchased from a butcher. (sold to make black pudding or blood sausage). Pomegranate juice is a common favorite, tomato or vegetable juice, rare to even raw steaks, rare liver. And unfortunately most, myself included, have at least once resorted to self feeding in an effort to stop a vamp out - doesn't work by the way. Only live blood seems to have what we need and, yes animal will do, but it's risky at best. Even raising cattle, I hesitate to drink when we butcher one for personal use though I have when I was without a donor. Any other animal I wouldn't consider due to the health risk, with my own steers at least I know thier feed and veterinary records from birth.

So in the respect of not getting sick or suffering from any sort of poisoning from consuming large amounts of blood in one "feeding"(good table manners and health of donor aside), then your not human...in the physical sense...beacuse no matter what you may believe in terms of the energy(prana) derived from consuming blood(which also applies to the pranic), the effects on the human body are undeniable and unavoidable.

If that makes me some species other than human, then I suppose I'm not human. I tend to think of it as just a variation, not so different from hair color or body type, though no genetic link has been proven so far. If we are not human, then we are so close as to bear children with a human partner, though I personally am unable to father children - that is another issue entirely unrelated to being a vampire.
A bit funny that you would bring up the human or not debate, this one is long standing among vampires, more so with sang than psi. Some don't think of themselves as entirely human, I do, but do understand why some prefer to separate us. I even catch myself wanting to say things like "We....., where as humans....." OOPS, I am human. I don't even like using the more modern "mundane" to refer to non vampiric people, but really how to you make the distinction without saying "non vampiric persons" repeatedly, which becomes cumbersome in long posts or conversations.
Ok, a bit warped maybe, but I'm sitting here laughing at myself and the turn this topic has taken. Chalk one up for being a sang. warping my mind, at least my humor )

So we've left the realm of consuming blood and entered he realm of a new and seperate species....physiologically speaking, of course.

And if that is the case then it would be easily proved by science.
Or disproved, I should really say.

Which is why I laugh at the debate. It's one of the oldest in the vampire community and as near as I can tell, we are all human, though at times I'd like not to be.
Arguments range from our metabolism/digestive system to the ability to feed on energy from non food sources for psi vampires. the worst being the arrogant fools among us who prefer to see other humans as more food than people. Admittedly, it is a bit difficult not to see that potential in any friend or loved one, but most people simply are not vamp fodder as it were. Even if they are, they are far more than food, they are people with the same hopes, dreams, feelings, loved ones and such that anyone has.
Honestly, in the right, or wrong, mindset even chat room visitors can begin sounding like food. Yes, I had to skip my donor this week due to my having the flu, and had only a light feed from my love so forgive me if I'm a bit twoofy for a few days. At this point it's still a little comical, I've got the headache and not much energy but, my mind wants to go on odd tangents. Last night I spent 4 hours in a chat room discussing salt water and what may happen if we drained all the oceans of the earth but. all of the sea creatures adapted to life on land. LMAO Fair warning I can easily head to left field with nearly any topic you pick if that's where you want to go. Oh that and today my mind is stuck on a lifespan question that came up in another chat - got that posted here in another topic.

Well, here I am quoting myself again. After all these posts, we come full circle to this. Interesting I was ignored earlier. Perhaps because the OP seems intelligent and literate, rather than the usual goobers that post in all caps and claim to burn in the sunlight. Understandable I guess.

If this person was what he claimed to be, he and people like him would be a true scientific anomaly. I just have a hard time believing the find of the century would deny us mere "mundanes" such a thrill. Pretentiousness abounds her at UM.

Not ignored, just on hold while I see if Myalai, a friend and fellow sanguinarian still has that report on digesting blood. Yes there is one out there, I just need to find a copy and get it scanned so I can attach it to a post.

So, just how many of these "true" Sanguinarians are there that you know of, and where do you know them from...besides yourself, that is?

I think modern day vampires exist in the human sociaty. Weird i know, but how much attention does any one of us take of everyone else? Thus we have no real proof any one of us is purely human in every way, or what makes us human anyway.

what defines our race is not of the body, but of the state of mind, no?

I know perhaps 30 other than online only, 4 of whom I am close friends with, the rest through mutual donors, or just happenstance meetings as casual friends. Of those 10-15% may be bloodists as I haven't spent enough time with them to be allowed in the room during thier feeding. On a side note, communal feeding is not something we do, that is the lifestylers and bloodists only for whom it doesn't have the same effect or importance it does for us.
Jim, to a point you are correct, otherkin such as lycan, fae, dragon, angelics etc... in my opinion are strictly of spiritual nature. A few lycans do claim minor physical attributes, but none that I have personally seen.
Vampirism, for real vampires is both physical and mental though we are often lumped in with otherkin. Sangs, like myself generally have no doubts by the time they are 20, psi can ambient feed or even direct feed without realizing they are doing it and have a more difficult time getting control when they do figure it out. Fortunately, except in rare incidents, psi feeding doesn't cause any real damage, even if it's not controlled and the psi is unaware of taking energy from others. The only time I've seen a psi do any damage was with a friend and she was aware of what she was doing, she drained until her target passed out which is as far as a psi can take it, and then, from my experience they have to be skilled at thier feeding technique to do even that.

So these 4 that your close with, you've actually witnessed them drinking more than a cup of blood in one feeding, with no ill-effects? Forgive me if I'm having such a hard time with this, considering the physiological ramifications of such a discovery. Are there any other things that are toxic or poisonous to just about everyone else on the planet Earth that you have no problem ingesting?

One only needs about a cup or a bit less. The other three do take nearly if not just as much as I do and yes on several occasions we have allowed each other in the room during feeding. (not all at once as we don't live that close to one another.) One in Washington, one Texas, two in Pennsylvania. The lady in Pa I believe could easily out feed me, if we were to attempt a contest. (we won't as that is inconsiderate and potentially harmful for the donors involved.)

accually movie vampires arent real cold hard fact many people claim to be but arent such they only drink blood because they have a fetish for it or want attention and a since of belonging in joining these groups.

Which groups are you referring to? The covens, houses and club scene? I avoid them just because there are more bloodists, lifestylers and plain pretenders in them than anything else. And no movie vampires are not real. I won't repeat what I've already posted, so please read this topic.
Nothing wrong with liking blood play, but don't confuse those that play at it with the few of us that need it. Sure I enjoy blood now, but at first I was afraid of the entire idea. Bloodists and the like are the ones that you will find in feeding circles, group feedings and such.
I won't get into all that feeding is for myself and every other sanguinarian I know except to say it's a personal experience for both the vampire and the donor and not one we readily allow others be a part of. In my life only 5 have ever been allowed in the room when I feed as observers. (I'm 50 now) Four are close friends and sanguinarians as well, the fifth is my fiance` and the only non vampiric person I have ever allowed to observe my feeding. Even my first two wives were never invited to my donors which may have been part of the trouble, excluding them from that part of my life and one reason I do allow my current fiance` to accompany me.

lucky you can find a donor, im dying here...

SA, I feel for you, if I were close enough I'd give you a feed until you found a donor. And before anyone asks, there is another here, no doubt in my mind, we spoke enough to know that.

I didnt mean any group I ment all.

Nitro, for the lifestylers, bloodist and role players, yes that is true. they see us a something more, sexy, powerful, whatever they see and want to a part of that illusion. For the few of us that have no choice they are at best tolerated, at worst despised. Too many do not follow blood safety guidelines and not only give us a bad reputation, but ruin the lives and the ability to donate of our donors. All it takes is one careless draw and a donor is unwilling or unable to donate again.

Are you saying you have no choice but to drink blood?

I'm saying exactly that. read the topic, I have explained the effects of not feeding which I have no wish to endure. I will have to again, even now with my donor on vacation. By the time he returns I'll have had to miss three feeds and the minor effects I'm experiencing now are only going to get worse. it won't be long enough to send me into full vamp out, but close. And yes I do all I can to cover, you won't see me whining "Oh my headache, I'm exhausted, Help, I need crimson." Never mind what I'm going through, I refuse to lose control.

How about non-corporeal, phsychic vampires?

You should seek psychiatric help imo.

Matt, I have been the gamut of medicine and psychiatry as have most sanguinarians by the time we are 30. That's one of many things that separate us from those who chose to consume blood. Not one of us wanted to be what we are, most don't even have an interest in fictional vampires. during awakening and beyond we fight it tooth and nail, push ourselves into vamp outs a few times over in an attempt to be "normal" We seek medical and mental help, thinking we have to me ill or crazy one. Even resort to various forms of self medication in a desperate attempt to not be what we are.
Even after we know what we are, we have a hard time accepting it, I fought it in various ways for the better part of my life. Not until I was fed up with the prescriptions that never worked and more or less ruined my life trying to self medicate on illegal drugs did I finally really come to terms with myself and accept it as a part of my life. That was 17 years ago, today I'm clean, not on any prescriptions, don't let the headaches send me for Demerol or morphine, which doesn't work anyway. I use healthier ways to distract myself and settle the need when I can't see my donor for whatever reason. (One of us is ill, on vacation, has house guest(s) that wouldn't handle it well etc....) Nothing really works except that some things will distract me and/or satisfy the mouth feel and taste while I do or eat/drink them. Anything beyond a week sans donor is hard, the longer I have to go sans donor, the harder it is. BTW, due to flu and now my donor's vacation time today is day 10 sans and yes I'm feeling it but reading the great discussion here, among other pastimes helps distract me and helps me keep it in check.

First off let me apologize for the length of this post. It’s one heck of a first post but that’s me. I ramble.

I have taken a keen interest in this topic and have read all ten pages worth. Some pages even twice if things were a little fuzzy or if I just could not believe what I was reading. Normally I’m just a lurker and never post anything but this is an exception. I can not keep this to my self any longer.

BlueMoods I’m sure you have heard all of what I’m about to type time and time again. I don’t think for one sec what I’m going to say is going to make one bit of difference. You are still going to believe what you believe. (BTW believing does not make something truth no matter how hard you try or the number of people you convince) Before I begin the commenting I will commend you BlueMoods. You have presented your beliefs in a very clear, concise and comprehendible way. You have presented yourself in a very respectable and mature manner. For that I commend you. If only more posters would take such a route to putting forth their thoughts.

Anyways now onto the show. BlueMoods you sir are Grade A, stone cold, home grown f-ing crazy to put it rather bluntly. That is clear to a great many of us reading your posts. What is sad is that this is not clear to you, your girl friend, your “donors” or the rest of your ilk. You need psychiatric help. I know I know “but I can function fine just like you. I have a job, family, friends. Im a respectable member of the community etc etc” This does not mean you do not need help. Take a person with obsessive compulsive disorder for instance. They too may function just fine and from us outsiders looking in seem just fine. This does not stop them from going home and locking the doors fifty times, folding the laundry twenty times or whatever. This also does not mean that they could not profit from seeking help. What if they found a nice hobby that they enjoy and used the previous OCD time to pursue said hobby? Would that not be a much more fulfilling life than what they previously had? Perhaps this is not the best example but I hope you understand what I’m getting at.

BlueMoods you are not a vampyre, vampire, vamp, a sanguinarian, sang or anything else. You are human. Homo sapien. Not an off shoot. Not a variation. Human. Nothing more. Nothing less. Which is exactly what this battery of medical pokings and proddings you claim have shown. There is nothing physiologically wrong with you. Sans the not being able to have children which some could see as a blessing in the case of the mentally ill though I’m not quite so cruel. The only thing that you have stated here that has changed this “hunger” is the meds that were prescribed by the psychiatrist or the like. It has been my experience that using the wrong meds in the wrong dosage/combo can actually aggravate the condition. I can speak personally here from seeing someone I dearly love go from depressed to suicidal due to the doctor playing lets try this medicine. In my armchair opinion you were prescribed something that did not interact with your system well at all. Most likely you did not state that to the doctor or seek any further help. You probably just stopped taking the meds and filed this experience under “Proof that I need to drink blood and I’m not really mentally ill”.

Also I don’t believe that you had an “awakening” as you call it. This obviously happened when you were younger as you’ve stated. Any odd chance this awakening is what us mundanes call puberty? It may not be so in your case but it is in a lot of similar cases. Especially the I don’t fit in but still want to feel special so now I’m a vampire ones. Instead of getting weird feelings down below and start feeling funny when you’re around girls your brain said hey lets wander off this beaten path and over yonder to those scary looking mountains with all the dark clouds and scary looking lightening. Instead of venturing off to the bathroom for minutes on end to get acquainted with Mr. Happy you ventured off to wonder why you felt these strange urges and what not. You have also stated that your parents took faith pretty seriously. Nothing worse for a child than parents that want to suppress things in their child that they see as bad. Especially during such a fragile time. Throw that along with the whole body and blood of Christ thing into the hormone fueled blender that is a pubescent boys head, give it a few pulses and it’s no wonder this is what pops out. Again this might not be exactly what happened to you but it’s not a bad guess.

Ok next lets move onto the vamping out. You use this as proof you need to drink blood. If you don’t get blood regularly you start getting cranky and then you progress worse and worse until you finally flip out and perhaps violently get the blood you need. In your case to the point of assaulting someone or attempting to in the eyes of the law. Forcefully attacking someone in a near blind rage in an attempt to get some of their blood to drink is as sure a sign for being sane as any I’ve ever seen. Of course at this point I’m not certain that you don’t feel something when you don’t drink blood. (BTW if you haven’t notice I’m not calling it feeding. Not even in quotes. There’s a reason for that. Calling it feeding makes it sound normal. Drinking blood isn’t) You may in fact be addicted to drinking blood now. Perhaps you have been doing it for so long that you do feel withdrawal when you don’t get it. In this case you are no better than your average junkie. Maybe even worse since your addiction can lead to physically harming another person just to get your drug. The feelings you describe when you haven’t drank for a while are exactly those anyone addicted to any substance would when they are withdrawing from it. Increased sensitivity to light? Well beyond what your head may have cooked up could this be due to the headaches? A nice migraine and I don’t want all the lights on in my office let alone having to go out in bright sunlight.

As for you being able to drink large amounts of blood and not have the typical problems associated with it. This is not proof in the least bit. This is only saying that drinking a pint of blood does not make you sick like it does other people. You can also digest this blood because you don’t have the nice coffee grounds looking stool after you’ve drank. No one here can take this as proof. There would be ways to document this and have proof but I’m no doctor and I’m not volunteering. I can claim that I leave the toilet full of gold coins after I eat Lucky Charms but I’m guessing no one is going to believe me. The human body can’t make golden coins and it can’t digest blood the way you claim. Sorry it just can’t. Medically impossible. Like other have stated if you were special and could do this you would be in the medical journals as one of the oddities Mother Nature produces now and then. And trust me there are a lot stranger medical anomalies other than being able to digest large amounts of blood that have been documented.

Oh and before I forget drinking your own blood? Cutting yourself just to get some blood to drink. Other than the people hopelessly lost in the desert or at sea and being drove to this due to literally dying of thirst this is not another sign of a sound mind. How far from self mutilation is this? To me not very far. People cut themselves to feel better about themselves. The cuts look pretty. They deserve them. It’s the only way they can feel anything. It calms them etc etc. None of these are very far from “its quenches my thirst” let me tell you. Another sign of a mental illness of some sort? Oh and the possibility of drinking the blood of some critter because no human blood is around? That’s sane. Hmm my donor isn’t around so let me drain a pint off of Fluffy. She wont mind. Would this classify as torturing small animals we hear about in reference to up and coming serial killers and their mental disorders? Maybe.

Before anyone starts on the whole what happens between two consenting adults should be any of your business slant. You are correct. I’m not concerned about the consenting adults. It’s the kids that go wandering the darker parts of the internet, stumbles across Mr. Moods talking about blood drinking and takes it from there. Kids are dumb. We all were at some point. What if they try this out without protection? AIDs is rampant along with all sorts of other stuff. Youre lucky to get kids to use a rubber let alone get tested so they can drink each others blood. Speaking of, you can at least wear protection and if you’re lucky get away without some STD. There is no protection for drinking blood. You have that persons problems right there in the glass and you drink it. Not very safe. We have enough kids running around pretending to be one type of vampire or another. We don’t need them actually drinking each others blood because there is a group of people out there that do. People presenting this as normal. As a need like air and water. Not like the disorder that it is.

Now I know I had some other comments to make but have been typing long enough to have forgotten them. They may come back to me and I may post later on if needed. I shall sum up everything here though. BlueMoods you are just a human being. Regular, average, ordinary and probably boring like most of us. Where you differ from the norm(whatever that may be) is in the fact that you have a wire crossed somewhere upstairs. This has at this point led you to be addicted to this behavior. Whether or not you have friends or a lover that accepts and embraces this does not matter. This is a mental disorder that has progressed into addiction. All the other stuff about maybe living longer lives that normal humans, wearing SPF40 sun block, light sensitive eyes and all that is just made up. You have taken the easiest to fake parts of being a vampire and embraced them as proof of your condition. You need help man. I don’t know if there is a Mayo Clinic of the vampire world out there but some serious psychiatric help along with some detox would probably do you wonders.

I do not mean for this to come off as a personal attack BlueMoods. You have put your beliefs out there for the world to see and in my case shoot down. I hope that any kid thinking they are a vampire might read this and come to their senses. What I’ve said about you holds true to them as well. Anyone thinking they are a vampire, werewolf, etc etc. I find part of myself wanting to apologize for some of the tone here then I find the other part and……not so much.

Kevin

I agree with kevin and matt and agreeing with kevin on 2 things first human body cant take blood it makes you puke in heavy ammounts because there isnt suppose to be blood in there normally thats a problem so your body pukes it up to show you whats going on. and second Im dont want this to sound like a personal attack on you bluemoods you seem cool I just think your full of it like all the others who say suck things. you would shut me up if you have proof

Sorry, I couldn't resist it.

Back on topic. I think a possible explanation would be that BlueMoods became immune to the toxic effects ingesting large amounts of blood can have like some people develop an immunity to snake poison or how some people can in fact digest glass, iron and what not.

I can somewhat agree with idea that he could perhaps have gotten used to drinking large amounts of blood and can somehow keep it down. A lot of people have gotten used to a lot of things that aren’t exactly good for them.

But I don’t think he could digest the blood and pass it without there being the signs that he has stated are not there. As far as I know people with ulcers can have the signs of bleeding in the stomach show up in their stool indefinitely. There is no getting used to it. The iron in the blood in still going to oxidize thanks to stomach acid and therefore have the tell tale signs in the end….literally. I don’t see how any digestive system could get around this and still do its job.

Thanks for the welcome BTW. The cookies are great lol.

I don't know the enzymes and such that do allow myself, and every sanguinarian to digest blood, what I do know is for all of us it plays havoc with what we can eat otherwise. Sure I can eat anything I chose, but some foods that I'd think would be fine cause problems. It varies for each of us, but in general fresh dairy is a problem, aged cheeses not as bad. I have a hard time with the tvp (textured vegetable protein) I use for a meat substitute (yes I am a vegetarian for religious reasons) legumes aren't much better, but many have problems there. Some seeds and nuts are fine but some aggravate my system, still that is my primary protein. Before my awakening (which almost always coincides with the onset of puberty) I was fine with nearly anything I ate, and yes I was vegetarian then as well.
Yes for non sanguinarian one of my feeds does result in a rather nasty bout of vomiting, cramps, sweats etc.... One of the ways we weed out the lifestylers and bloodist who claim to be vampires, they simply can't take more than a few ounces without becoming ill. True the need does increase with age, maybe because we do develop improved ability to digest the blood, maybe because as we age more and more foods upset our systems. Probably a combined effect, something of a vicious circle. We become accustomed to and comfortable feeding so take more, we adapt to digesting the larger quantities which in turn reduces or tolerance for other foods, we give up foods we enjoy, replacing them, in part with crimson which, yes now for me is a comfort meal as well as a need.
Most of us, myself included hate admitting it, but yeah blood is addictive in more ways than one. Physically addictive, I doubt but, since it is a need from awakening on we'll never be sure there. Psychologically, yes though it offers no high it does make us feel a lot better and who doesn't love that? emotionally, yes, not the blood itself but the feeding experience yes - that's one aspect we feel but rarely act on with our donors and yes, the donor feels it as well. Both sang. and psi. have to deal with that, and as long as you know it for what it is, it can be enjoyable, or it can be a problem. That is THE number one reason I cherish the rare times my fiance` does let me have a feed with her, its the only time I can feed directly from the cut and don't have to restrain myself
I apologize to any other vampires that may read this and think I've told a bit too much of what we generally keep private, but maybe it's time we aren't so closed mouthed about ourselves. We sure aren't finding the answers in our own communities, maybe out here somebody has a new perspective, theory, idea that might be testable. And yes I am more than a bit twoofy so stay off my case over this one.

Kevin A- I can understand where your coming from, there is to real scientific eveidence that Sanguins exist, and really unless you experience it for yourself you probablly never will believe, we dont really have the need for blood, but pranic energy that the blood carries to us, (wether you know what prana is or not, i dont know, and honestly dont care) i dont know if its an imunity for the blood that we someone just naturally have, or what else it oculd be, but it does happen, wether you believe it or not, since it really doesnt effect you, our beliefs shouldnt matter much to you, as for what you said about kiling small animals for blood, i havenot, will not, and would never even think of doing that, animals are sacred and unless attacked by one or using it for food (not blood, actual food), they should not be killed.

actually, many sanguins arent Christian, so this really wouldnt effect them at all




that made me laugh pretty hard, i assure you i am going through regular puberty, though along side of that is the other urges, you can believe its a phsychological problem if you want, for all i know it could be, but for now, i believe what i think is right.

As for what you said about blood digesting, im not fully sure that it does digest, as i said it isnt the actual blood we are after but the pranic energy it acts as a medium for, but for some reason sanguins do have a natural resistance to blood intake making them puke, it isnt anything i have built up an immunity for, it has just alwasy been that way.

I wish I could have found a smiley that bowed!
Oh wait! I did!



Thank you!!! PLEASE do not just post a few and leave! Your logic makes me woozy! When your done gloating here, head to the psi-ball thread! I can't wait!
P.S. Gloating not required, but I wouldn't blame you if you did after that post!

Some of us are christian, that can be a bit of a conflict, but not serious. My biggest religious conflict is being a vegetarian because of my beliefs and blood, is an animal product. well if that alone damns me then so be it I can't change what I am, tried too long to do that.

To Satans Adherent:
Kevin didn't say that his Cristian correlation related to ALL "vampires" he was talking about BlueMoods. Pay atention.


Then why post them on a discussion forum?

If that damns you as a vegetarian does the human blood damn you as a cannibal? Sorry, only kidding. I'm a vegetarian myself so I had a laugh there.

BlueMoods, There's not much I can add to Kevin A's post since he expressed my feelings very well.

The more I read your posts the more it becomes clear that you are dealing with a psychological condition where you've convinced yourself that drinking blood is essential to your well being. The symptoms you described in your "vamping out" are the same as someone with a psychological addiction going through withdrawal:

Problems concentrating
Feeling shaky or sick
Changes in sleeping habits
Mood swings
Anxiety, anger, or depression

You've also convinced yourself that you are physiologically different from 'normal' humans because of your desire (which you refer to as a need) to drink blood. It's been stated before why it's virtually impossible for you to be able to consume the amount of blood you claim.

I urge you to seek psychological treatment. Not so much because I care how you've decided to live your life, but because your claims can be misunderstood by younger impressionable people who may be harmed by the indiscriminate drinking of blood from others.

Call it simply a belief if you like, but it is not a belief. As SA said you may never accept the physical reality of it without experiencing it first hand. That's why I wish just once every one who doubts the physical aspect could experience a full blown vamp out. Sure it affect more than just physical, but what we feel physically always affect how we feel mentally, vampire or not.
And Kevin, no offence taken. we all have our opinions. As for the Psi ball thread you mentioned, I know psi feeders use it, but never looked into it more than that, not even sure psionics actually are anything beyond mental imagery. I'm a sang, not psi so never had a reason to learn the specifics of how they feed, I know they do I've been a meal for a few, donated for a sang or two in a pinch as well.

I'm actually saying that it's more than just a belief. You seem to have a disregard for anyone who may misinterpret your statements.

It's OK if you want to deny the fact that there may be something wrong with your way of thinking. Who am I to tell you how to live?

But when your claims may lead someone to believe they might be a vampire such as yourself, and they harm themselves or others over a false belief, then who is really to blame?

Please face the facts. There are no such things as vampires. And, most importantly, there are those who cannot distinguish the difference between fact and fiction.