It's not BlueMoods responsibility if someone harms themselves. They do it to themselves. Like the kids that killed themselves to join their Pokemon trainer . It's not the cartoons fault the kids were stupid or had parents who didn't have enough interest in their kids to see it coming.

Double post. Not my fault. I got an error message.

lol good point, but i didnt start the thread about this, i just put my opinions in

LoL, ok I'll let you slide this time.

Okay, that statement may have been out of line and I apologize.

Nonetheless, BlueMoods claims (his need for blood and the amount he claims to ingest) can be misinterpreted as fact by someone impressionable who lacks the ability to distinguish fact from fiction.. He has stated himself that he only once mentioned his condition (for lack of a better word) to a physician who immediately began prescribing medication. He did not pursue this further with anyone else, namely a psychological therapist or psychologist.

I am not attacking him personally. He seems to be an intelligent and articulate individual.

However, his claims are outlandish and he has not come forth with any proof of his condition.

Apology accepted.
And yes I agree with you, his claims can be misinterpreted as fact by someone impressionable who lacks the ability to distinguish fact from fiction. That's totally true. And I also find him to be very articulate and I'm glad he's not offended by our skepticism.

But, like you, I don't think vampires exist; though I love the vampire legends and folklore and enjoy reading about them.

It is NOT a way of thinking, it is a fact of my, and others lives. I have been clear that there is a definite downside, one nobody would want to endure and one that cannot be feigned with any believability. You assume I have or will tell every detail here - no I know that somebody seeking attention, wanting to be "special" may fancy themselves a sanguinarian. Some thing we do keep private just for that reason. Despite the image some pretenders have given us, we are very much aware of the risks and what can happen if errors are made in drawing blood. Even here I have been clear that it is a risk to both sanguinarian and donor, outlined the major safeguards needed and warned of the worst things not to attempt. I've been clear that we do have medical and psychological evaluations before deciding we are what we are. I've made myself available though private messages to any who think they may be vampires, and those who have asked know that the first thing I want to hear is what other options they have explored and if they have any physical or psychological conditions that may account for even part of what the are experiencing. Then I listen, watch to see if any of the unspoken aspects present themselves. NEVER will I or any other vampire tell you that you are one, that has to come from you, but you will know it if you are.
If anyone tells you that you are a vampire - run. Not one of us would ever tell anyone or even wish anyone to be what we are. Now if you want to be a bloodist and are 18 or older, I'd be happy to point you to good information on blood safety and to sites for bloodists who are in it for pleasure reasons alone.
I apologize if I seem defensive, but on this I am. I'll not be portrayed as irresponsible or uncaring of those that may be awakening. Nor will I be seen as not having a care for those seeking attention or acceptance outside what is considered the norm.
Now, I ask that if all you have is a cut for me, or a solid disbelief, don't post here, if you must flame me do so via the private message system. If you have a sincere question or concern, please feel free to post or message me. Don't make this topic a war like the ones I've seen on forums showing less maturity than this one has shown me so far. It is an open minded group here that doesn't seem prone to senseless flaming and enjoys a good debate, let's keep it that way.

You guys have gotten a bit ahead of me but I will do my best to catch up here.

SA What you are stating here basically boils down to faith or belief. If there is no scientific proof then there is no reason to take something as truth other then faith/belief. That why these conversations get so heated and one can often be misunderstood. This is the nature of the thing when you "attack" someones foundation as perhaps I have here. We often base our world itself on who we are or who we believe we are. When someone comes along to question this it is quite normal for you to defend yourself. Completely understandable even when said beliefs are not.

As for killing small animals I never quite said that. Im actually not sure how BlueMoods or anyone for that matter coudl get blood from an animal without doing it harm. If you save the blood during the butchering of a animal someone was going to eat anyways then thats one thing. Purposely draining an animal of its blood tills its dead is another. Again Im not sure how this is done. Does the animal still have to be alive when it gives up its blood? I understand what you believe prana or the like is. Does this leave an animal once its dead or does it remain until it is digested or decomposed?

It seems Alara has come to my defense about the Christian part.

Anyways we have ventured into an even fuzzier area here now. When you start talking about prana and that we get into the realm of Psi vampires. If I typed out a long response as to why blood drinkers cant really exist exactly how do you think I feel about Psi vampires? Again there is no proof only belief. When someone starts talking about Psi vampires Im often reminded of that Kids in the Hall sketch I think it is where the guy is sitting on the park bench and squishing peoples heads between his fingers as they go about there lives. This may not apply to willing donors but more of those people that seem to get off by sitting in a public place and sucking the energy from other people. This is nothing more than an ego trip. One person asseting dominance over another even if its in their head. You arent really sapping energy from someone. You are getting off on the idea that you are taking something from someone and theres nothing they can do about it. Thats it. Now this doesnt apply to willing donors. At least not totally. It still getting energy that science cant prove exists from someone willing to give away something science cant prove exists. Oh and before I end this and go comment on others comments the scenario you always here is this. You know how you have a conversation with that one person and you always walk away from them tired and down? Well they probably have latent psi vamp powers and are using them without knowing. Bull. In my experiance the only time I walk away from someone tired and down is if that person is annoying, mean, egotistical or just plain unlikable and I have to play nice with them. Given the chance to tell one of there people exactly what I think I walk away feeling much better. If more people were honest to each other every day we would be much better off. Call a spade and spade and move on.

I apologize for any and all typos or mispelling of words. Im tired, typing fast and without spell check right now....

sorry I cant take this anymore

Oops botched the multple quote thing. Have to do two posts.

Eqgumby - From my lurkings here I have learned that if anyone at all would get my humor and logic it would msot certainly be you. Thank you for the kind words. I think thanks to the welcome I may just stick around a while and venture into other places. Yes Ive seen the psi-ball thread. I think you have it under control for tonight though expect me to tee off and this subject soon. See the post just before this for a preview about psi stuff.

Exeter - You managed to sum up most of what I was saying in a nice short post. I need to take lessons lol. Belief became addiction which is now truth. A scary progression but not one that can be turned round in my opinion if proper treatment is sought. Obviously I agree with you on the impressionable youth worry. Alara this is where you come in. I believe alot of harm can be done thanks to BlueMoods words here like I stated in the original post. Its personal responsibility. I for instance may know how to create a bomb using common household chemicals. It was originally taught to me by an old farmer that used it to remove tree stumps. I do not go around posting this on online forums not even the ones at stumpremover.org. This is because of the fear that some kid that doesnt know what they are doing could kill themselves or other people using this knowledge. Knowledge is meant to be shared and thats the one things that makes the internet great but to post dangerous knowledge for any and all to see is not being a responsible adult. Share it in private emails. It is not enough to expect kids to play it smart or for every parent in the world to keep a watchful eye. Though I think you know what both Exeter and I meant and all this typing is redundant lol.

Alara - Like you I find the legends and stories very interesting but they are just that. A fascinating topic especially when in this deep.

Bluemoods - Sigh....where to begin huh? This is where you fail to understand those of us here have spoken against what you have said even though we understand you. It IS a way of thinking that has become your life. I myself have never been addicted to anything and can not understand exactly what the human body goes through when withdrawal(vamp out) sets in. The closest Ive ever come is an sever Mt Dew addiction in college but thats was easy enough to kick. Never having these problems myself does not mean a logical person could not take your statements, compare them with classic withdrawal symptoms and come to these conclusions I and others have. I can only base my opinions on what science tells me. On things I can prove for myself. Science/medicine tells me these are withdrawal symptoms so they must be and I have proof to back it up. Compare your symptoms with those of someone sitting in a detox center. The same no?

At this point Im not arguing whether or not you need blood. It seems your mind is made up no matter what is said. Again this was expected. I can only state what I feel is truth and that is what Ive presented here. Your brain/system is telling you that you need blood. Thats a tough thing to rationalize with. Despite logic point in a different direction you have chose your path and are walking it. That is your choice. Despite our differences here I do wish you and yours a good life and a long one(though not perhaps unnaturally long lol) I urge you like others have to seek help. Things have come along way since perhaps you tried modern medicine last? I wish you would try it and perhaps just perhaps prove us all wrong. I look forward to the medical journal article on you. If I can request one other thing? Please be careful with who you help with "awakenings" I would hate to learn of some young perosn with a promising life ending up with some disease due to copying the life style of some elder.

Man Im nothing without spell checker.....

A few do raise rabbits and the like strictly for blood, or so I'm told have never known one to do do. I raise beef cattle and do save the blood when we butcher a steer for our own use but would never kill even my own steers just for blood, wouldn't even draw and leave them alive which could be done. I don't approve of killing just for blood, not even in deep need or vamp out.
Prana, for lack of a better term for what it is that meets my need for any length of time, is only in live blood. The blood I save from steers will provide the taste, not as good as a donor but, still it helps while I sip it. Something like a smoker who's quitting and chews gum, it isn't what your body is telling you it needs, but it keeps your mind off it for a short time. I have drank steer blood taken as we bleed the animal out just after the kill and that does satisfy the need so, I would say that prana is in the blood for perhaps 15 to 30 minutes after death, based on personal experience.
As for psi vampires, them being open about who they are is relatively new in our community. I do think there are a few real psi, but as with sanguinarians far fewer than claim to be. First, from what I have looked into thier techniques, anybody could learn to feed as they do, second I agree that being able to take from somebody unaware would be a power trip. Some do rely strictly on willing donors, that I can't fault but, a psi feeding from somebody at random, without permission, in my opinion, is a rude, cold, irresponsible and cruel as my taking a victim would be. Just because they don't have to cut doesn't make it right to steal, which is essentially what taking from somebody unaware is. That isn't the popular opinion of it and when I do voice it in vampire communities I am flamed for it- still on feeding it's either donor or NO FEEDING on other humans PERIOD in my book. Doing so only perpetuates the myth that we are predators.
Thank you Kevin, I agree that that example of an unaware psi is a poor one. Yes I do believe they can feed before they realize what they are, but to target an individual as the example suggests and not know they are doing it, no and even if they did target unaware once, they would feel the effects and know what they did as soon as they had done it and, feel the same guilt a young sang does if we happen to take that first feed from an accidental cut a friend receives as I did.
I didn't have a term for it then, but I had awakened some time before that and refused to accept it, pushed myself to the far end of vamp out. A friend got a cut on a camping trip, I licked without thinking. Played it off with a lame excuse of not having any other way to get the dirt out of the cut. Gah, embarrassing to say the least.

interesting post blue - i like your honesty -

One question I posted Blue Moods was on your faith. Now the questions intent still stands which is this. If given the oportunity to be "cured" of your necsesity of feeding on blood would you take it? Now seeing that you are heavly involved with church and church activities would you consider a curing from faith? Or are you affraid that if you bring up your vampiric nature to your church you will be turned on and attacked by your communion? Have you ever brought up your affliction in church?

I do not believe in faith healing per se. Yes I have prayed to be "normal" but, that was decades ago, before I really came to terms with myself. Yes other members of my church, I'm certain still pray that for me. Most, if not everyone, at least the adults and teens, know. I don't hide it from those around me, too old for that. If I can't live my life relatively openly and in peace, I need to move.
Yes it was difficult when I moved here 15 years ago and people began finding out, that's the nature of small town rumor mills. Here, for the most part now I'm not a big deal. Occasionally somebody will yell out an insult in town, but not often. I'm the assitant leader in my church's youth group and only one of the parents has a problem letting her child go on overnight outings with me present. She's not entirely convinced that my donor (also a church member) and I will keep the feeding away from the youths' eyes and, Saturday eve is my usual donor night, also generally the night we do overnight outings with the youth group. Makes me glad my donor has a teen in the group and is happy to go as a chaperon.
My pastor and I have spent countless hours discussing my needs. It is a bit of a conflict doctrine wise since one of those doctrines is being a vegetarian and blood is not a vegetarian food. The way I explain it to the church, per my pastor's recommendation, is that it's not all that different than any one of them being a diabetic and needing insulin which is also an animal product. Most of my church is also aware of what to watch for if I'm without a donor for long, as the are with diabetics and asthmatics. That is a comfort for me even without a donor I can continue my church activities and, if somebody feels I'm too twoofy, they will call me aside and point that fact out to me.
With the youth especially, it has become a hot topic for jokes. Invariably on communion Sabbath, one of the youth has to joke that the pastor put real blood in my communion cup Actually just grape juice for all. Often, if one of them gets a cut during an activity they will tease me with that, I exaggerate my reaction and they love making me squirm LOL. Same at home with my fiance` we joke and she teases me over blood. I just don't see the point in making it some big secret or in making it so serious or taboo that it's not spoken of. Better those around me see it as simply part of my daily life and not anything dramatic or frightening.
No I haven't always been so relaxed about it, hated myself for it and tried to stop it for a long time. So much better now, sometimes people can surprise us and not react as I, for years, feared they would. Like anything else that may make a person different from the expected norms 90% of peoples reaction is in how you present it and how you deal with it in public.
So bottom line, do I still look for a "cure"? No, answers mostly to provide the sanguine community yes but, I'm over seeing it as a disease or defect and done with trying to cure it in myself. Had you asked me the same 20 years ago, I'd be first in line for any promised cure but not today. Odds are it wouldn't work and even if it did I don't know that I'd like being "normal" now

But you quoted me above your statement. That's the only reason I asked.

No problem.

Ok where in the world do you live? You have to have found to most understanding community in this country. I don’t know where to begin here. People trust you and your donor to watch their children on overnighters? You have got to be kidding me. Luckily there is at least one parent with a good head on her shoulders and has issues with you. Seriously. I don’t care how comfortable you are with what you think you are. You have a history of violence, you drink human blood, are brutally honest with the fact you could be capable of more violence. What part of you watching over the kiddies makes for a good plan? I’m sure in your mind you would never intentionally hurt of them but you are capable of it during one of your blood craving rages. I can not fathom the majority of the community being ok with this. Your pastor is perfectly fine with it also. I did not expect this at all. From what I’ve seen anything outside the norm is condemned to hell as quickly as possible. I’m just really having a hard time wrapping my head around this acceptance.

This is NOT like a diabetic or an asthmatic. Diabetes and asthma are scientifically proven illnesses. Any doctor could diagnose these things. No one debates the existence of these two illnesses. At least all the level headed people with a strong grasp on reality should not be debating this. What you claim has not been proven. Period end of conversation. In my mind it cant be proven. You drinking blood is not like taking insulin or using an inhaler. Insulin and inhalers(steroids) are proven treatments for proven illnesses. You have prescribed this treatment to yourself because in your mind nothing else works. How can any person agree with this line of reasoning? The kids tease you with blood? What the hell???

This is no different than the parents leaving a junkie and their dealer to watch their children. No difference. No matter how accepted that person is in the “drug(sang) community”. No matter how many are in the drug community and accept this delusion as fact. Doesn’t matter if the junkie believes their drug helps fight some disease they insist they have but not science known to man can find. A junkie who has in fact turned to violence when they have been strung out and needed a hit. There is absolutely no difference here. None. Doesn’t matter how much this is a part of you. How much you accept it and embrace this. This is belief and not truth or fact. At least in the real world. The one outside of your head.

You are not different. You are not special. You are in fact abnormal but not in a good way. So these words out loud “I drink blood”. That just doesn’t sound right. No part of it is right despite what you think. I’m sorry it just isn’t. I’m trying to be reasonable here and discuss this calmly and maturely. What you have is a medical condition. Not the one you think you have though. I and others have explained this. I’m sorry if whatever medical treatment you have sought has not worked. I truly wish it would have. Though at this point I cant help but read a bit of happiness with what you think you are. Your last words here show that. Treatment only works if that person wants helped. One of the first rules of helping someone with an addiction.

I was thinking about this last night and this morning. Have you been tested for iron deficiency? When you haven’t drank blood that is? What if this all started with your body needing iron and you found it? Some of the symptoms you have stated here are the same as with iron deficiency anemia. In fact in some cases those with anemia develop pica(eating weird things). What if you developed pica but it happened to be for an iron rich source? Namely blood. I’m not sure if the human body can digest any of the blood one would drink at all. I don’t know if getting some iron from the blood would alleviate the symptoms for a while and then start to fade away. But then again we started talking about prana and psi vampires. I’m still trying to think of sound logical explanations and we have ventured far from a logical path haven’t we?

Kevin

HOLD IT! Kevin what in the hell gives you the right to call me a junkie or dealer?! Yeah I've been there trying to self medicate, 17 years clean and I'll be damned if you or anyone else is going to throw me back into that category. I've worked hard to overcome addiction, build a life here, earn the trust and respect of this community and have something for myself and now my fiance`. Hell of a damned difference today from who I was 20 years ago I will never be that person again and will not be categorized as such! and yeah I've been tested for every friggin blood disorder, metabolic disorder, been to too many therapists, fought in any way I could think of for too long. So get off the belief trip - it isn't a mater of just mind and quit degrading what you refuse to think possible.


***Mods, ban me if you wish, and to the rest of you I apologize for the harsh words.***

Sorry everyone for blowing it in here. 11 days with my donor unavailable then the comment likening me to a druggie got the better of me. That isn't me to lash out like that but, I'll let it stand if for no other reason than a glimpse at the effect of my having to do without for extended periods. And really Kevin there is no call for comments like those you directed toward me but I don't expect an apology, you are entitled to your opinion, just next time honor my request to keep such in private messages.

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BlueMoods I did not call you a junkie. I compared your "need" for blood and having a "donor" that supplies you said blood with a drug user(junkie) and their supplier(dealer). I did not mean for this to come off as me accusing you of using drugs at all.

When you have not drank blood for some time, crave it immensely and then finally turn to drastic means to get it someone looking from the outside in should not be faulted for drawing a parallel with your issues and those of someone addicted to drugs or alcohol. This is what I was getting at. Im drawing a rather simple parallel that others have also.

If you have made a good life for yourself then I commend you. If you fought of addiction to drugs before and are many years clean again I commend you. You have done well.

I apologize if you feel I insulted you through this misunderstanding.

As for the iron deficiency it seems as if you’ve been tested for that. It was just another idea of mine. Again just an idea.

I will take both abandoning the “belief trip” and taking this conversation private under consideration. I’ll think about it.

Kevin

I wouldn't cave in too easily Kevin. I think you were right on the money, and Blue's self righteous tirade is nothing but a smoke screen. The fact remains, IF he was what he claimed, he would be the medical find of the century, and medical academia would be at his feet begging for information. I think your earlier assessments were pretty accurate, as well as your concern for his mental state when he is "vamping out". Either he is a danger to himself and those around him due to his MEDICAL condition, or his MENTAL condition.

Don't apologize for upsetting the sensibilities of someone who is one of three things: coward, liar, or delusional. All you did was state the obvious.

So far medicine can't find the reason(s) but, as it advances that may come. Obviously at this point in time, when we do tell medical professionals they send us to counseling. As I have said, I have been the entire gamut a few times. And no I am not a danger to myself or anyone else at this point. Edgy, massive headache, fatigued yes but, it would take longer than the three weeks total until I'll see my donor again to push me into vamping.
That said, if anyone has further questions they can send me a private message. This thread is degrading into the accusations and battles so common on the less that reputable sites. And yes I do see such as attempts to push my hot buttons when I have repeatedly told you that I have been the medical route. And have asked that such be restricted to private messages.

MODERATORS Please lock this thread.

I think this thread has reached the end and is just turning into a flaming exposition.
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