http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com/
http://www.apple.com/trailers/magnolia/jesuscamp/trailer/


I watched this documentary last nite the women teaching these kids was inspired by how the muslims teach their kids( what she got off the internet) from the womb to grow up and kill for God..she thought this was a wonderful idea why not take kids and groom them to lay down their lives for jesus.....

these kids are taught they are sinners, every teaching tool is geared towards brainwashing them into being soldiers for jesus, they are taught to preach to people etc...

Most are home schooled and one mother was teaching her child that global warming is nothing to worry about,( even though their idol George bush has publically admitted we need to take steps to addre4ss this very serious issue) they watch movies on discrediting evolution, science in general and interjecting the christian 's view point on how they think things are..


One particulalry poignant moment a young boy after being cleansed from his sinful nature being acused of being a hyporcrite to the lord, tearfully said i don't have any contaact with god and its hard to beleive and at times i don't even beleive wht the bible say.....Relgion is alot about taking everything you instinively know naturally and convinncing you it jsut isn't so, you are taught to deny yor truth in favor of the bibles truth.....

I guess the most interesting part was the speaking in tongues as an adult wishpered in their ears what to say......

there was a scene where they taped red tape over kids mouths with the magic markered LIFE written on it and were put on street corners to promote the christian idea of its the christain choice or no choice ....

has anyone seen this????

I watched a documentary about Jesus camps. It was promoting the movie of the same title. They figure to fight the militant muslims one has to be just as fierce in the name of christ. They even recruit/program children! One boy I saw at the camp was all of 3 years old and was beside himself with tears and all this emotion, because he'd been saved by the grace of christ at so young an age! Yes, good thing all those 3 year old sins are now washed away by the blood of the lamb.

There's a thread in this forum about Atheists and someone commenting about "Atheist Jihads", in the OP article. I can tell they're theists because they imagine such a thing is necessary to be in diametric opposition to the christian taliban , but you don't read him mention that overall mentality one assumes as a Jihads. Just as it applies to Atheists being such. It's like we've accepted there's a new PC phrase even for the insanity that buoyed the religious platform and bloody vision of all those holy wars of the past. As if this is something new, of concern for all of us in it's zeal to put forward the banner of christ at any cost. Even one's freedom to walk on the street without being assaulted with some believers perverted sense of entitlement to introduce their good news to you! Because, you know, saving your soul is their privilege. Because jesus said to do it. Well, he's said to have said to do it. That's if you trust the recollection of what he was said to have said, from someone like Paul, or others, that ask you to believe them when they tell you he said it.

What's not inspiring about killing in the name of hearsay, after that!? I mean really!


And now, remember those very young kids at the jesus terrorist training facility? Well, now there's an effort to spread that good news even on their level , so as to insure a complete absorption of the programming. Left Behind "Eternal Forces" Video Game ! Convert to christos mind, or die! No kidding, they score points for your heathen corpse! Ohhhh weeee.


WWJD? I think he'd puke on the game console. But you see, for some that's a jesus they can believe in.
This is why zealotry should never be tolerated, nor respected. Because it breeds and then spreads like the Borg. Morphing people into a model of what it means to be a true believer! Which means, in that context, everyone else is the enemy! Until they convert, that is. If they don't, they're good as dead. Because it's gods will there's but one way to believe in him. That's why he, creator of all things, made it necessary to murder people to instill the truth, rather than that bit in the Old Testament about the law of god is written inside every person, work on it's own level of inspiration to knowing the truth, about the one and only god that could have put it there! Nope! Ya might have that inside you, but it takes vicious evil to convert you to realizing that of your own free will.
I look forward to theists rapture mythologies coming true. Then all the blood mongering sadism would would no longer have an excuse to make hell on earth, under the excuse it's all for the sake of heaven after we die.

"Jesus Camp" is not much different than what the Christians have been doing for 1700 years. Why question this?

Jesus Camp makes baby cougar cry...

I haven't seen the documentary, but I have seen the trailers and it really disturbs me. I'd like to watch it though, out of curiosity.

GW, i couldn't help but wonder, didn't we retain anything from the holocaust....


My son said to me why would 'god' want to kill anything??? One isn't all loving and kills, he also told me the few kids in our neighborhood that are relgious aren't allowed to play with all the kids, he said they are very hard to make friends with,their choice not the other kids.....we are thinking its the parents .....

i have my child watch this to understand and in that understanding he is tolerant and peaceful, not to make fun of or shun these kids, Generally regardless of relgious or not the person you are speaks of you and the intent is to be a bridge not a wall....... Its clear these parents think they are doing 'good' they truly don't see it as harmful or not working ,basically one generation is passing on info to the next, no questioning is going on at all,it just doesn't even occur to them that this is a construct just like anything else, or htat the world has cahnged alot...I suscribe to the idea that no behavior is really inapproriate given the conditons/circumstances of ones life...

As far as profound and a fair depiciton of how the extremist is created is shown in this film......Films such as these raise awareness, but the tradgedy is the children never had a chance, too often these kids become the timothy mc veys, the next generation of abortion clinic bombers, they are teachig these kids to hate, nothing else but that....


I had a freind that raised two kids in this way, she did not home school and the cold hard truth is that her son would preach on the kindergarten playground and none of the other kids wanted to be his friend, (this kid came home crying to his mom alot, not understanding why the kids didn't like him) the teacher tryed to gently explain to the mother that the public system is nuetral and that it isn't he best for her son to be scarring the other kids,. They saw this as infringing on his rights to profess '"the truth"..they ended up leaving Cal. and moving to the bible belt......

Yes, I think it's important to watch "Jesus Camp" movie. When one's enemy brags it serves one's defense to pay attention. It's unfortunate in the process of doing that, however, that it in some measure lends it's part in supporting the loathsome vehicle of such separatism and hate. Either the rent on the DVD, the theater ticket price, or even if it's brought into a public library collection, it's still paid for in some way and that gains revenues for the beast to feel there's a market for it's message. Because it made money (mammon?) off it's effort in telling the world, in an ad campaign for christ, that the christian terrorists are armed and ready for the battle for souls, once more. Only this time their arsenals include media. Make something a game, and it desensitizes the player to the very real suffering implanted in the theme. So when it comes time to really throw down for christ, they're practiced not feeling anything but elation, at scoring points for heaven. Mind control. It's just evolved to a new vehicle, but it's still just as dangerous as it was in the dark ages. Only now the lights are on and people call it patriotic as people of faith, to kill for god and country. Because for that mentality, they're really one and the same. ((Think of those that call America a christian nation, for an example of that kind of vision. That, by implication, means non-christians are un-American! Remember our President for saying that one. Or, at one time, Representative Barr. (link) ))



See, we can opt not to watch their movies, we can ridicule the ignorance of a zealot, till the cows come home. But when we elect them into power over us all, where they can make laws that command this nation to their way of thinking, we're doomed from the inside out. In this Nation of laws.

It's not only important to Vote, it's vital you know who you're voting for. Because doing so may be a vote against everything you hold dear. And when that happens, when it's to late not to elect them with your trust, so they screw you while in office, it can be said it's something no true freedom loving patriot could vote for, if they're as civilized as they are loyal to party politics. Bigotry is never good politics, if one intends to elect for a peaceful future.

Gid indeed this is nothing new to chrisitanity, the inspirational humans don't give up they keep finding a way to unite us all, , to outgrow the constructs that limit us, that keep us seprerate from each other and killing each other, over ideas that are misunderstood or inspired in ignorance, and to just becasue its natural to care to move towards loving each other, jsut being nice to each other for no other reason but becaseu its who we are...

I'm very disturbed by the way the kids are being raised , ripped of their self esteem , turned into soldiiers , manipulating of those that are to young to know any better.... the parents too have been lead to beleive they are really good americans , in ignorance have been duped in passed on knowledge and hearsay....Exploting ignorance in the young the new human low......

Its intersting the way the gov't works too, they never assumes responsibility for any thing, they follow the money trail and as christainity becomes a thing of the past so will these kids and the people who have been told there whole lives this is the american way.... eventually they will be the scape goats as religon as e know it falls away....\


http://efilmcritic.com/feature.php?feature=1946 This is an interview on whta inspired the film makers to make this movie and their personal feelings on the Jesus camps...

All of this xian hoopla is truely entertaining. They are shining a big old spotlight on the negative, evil if you will, side of religion. From Jesus Camp to Trading Spouses "God Worrier", insane woman. They are all making themselves look like fools. The downfall of organized religion, especially xianity, will be their own undoing. Humans have this need to be brainwashed or have their minds altered in other ways. They also feel the need to be a lowly servant to imaginary idols. It's part of the human condition.


Silly stuff don't ya think?

Though, I find it very disturbing that they are using children to further their own fundamentalist need. Reminds me of catholic school when I was a kid. Any group that uses children to promote hate and intollerence are a detrament to mankind.

Absolutely! But in doing so, they insure the future is populated with their mode of thinking, by brainwashing generation after generation to carry the faith forward. Self-perpetuation. You have to teach a child to hate and when you do, you damn the future that shall then not know what the world is like, without it. A god that hates is the devil in disguise.

Curiousity, ((HUGS))) And back with a wise post as always... I agree woman, teaching hate and intolerance is a great detriment to humanity...You have been missed I speak fo all the Um'ers i'm sure....

I wonder how many denominations of Christianity would actually subscribe to the Jesus Camp style of teaching/brainwashing? I've never met a Christian who has professed wanting to put their children in such a camp, and I've never met a Christian who proclaims that global warming is a myth and we can keep doing whatever we want to the environment. Someone mentioned computer games, and it got me to thinking about a LAN day that we had at church just the other day. We all brought our PC's there, connected them and played Star Craft and CounterStrike. Not a "left behind" game to be seen anywhere, and I think if someone did bring it, it would be laughed out of the place.

As sad as the events portrayed in this documentary may be, I'm glad to announce that it is very much the minority of Christianity, just like raising muslim's for jihad/terrorism is also a minority of their culture.

Regards, PA

Great points. Problem is though that Christian haters will allways dig up what ever dirt they can to belittle the religion. But then the same type of stuff is going on throughout other religions and beliefs including athiast beliefs. What gives them the right to judge all Christians as they do these wackos in these "Jesus" camps? It's like saying all blondes in the world are stupid. Its outlandish discrimination.

I don't think the documentary attempted to apply the jesus camp mentality to all christians. In the context of the piece, it was speaking about evangelical christians! And with the "Left Behind" book series having sold over 63 million copies, I'd say no one should take it seriously any one persons announcement that there isn't an evangelical movement in this world, that people should be aware are prone to terrorism. That's attempting to distract from the truth of the matter, when evangelicals write and publish a book series dedicated to the philosoph and what sold to a market of consumers that purchased 63 million copies of books, that impart a core belief system that sponsors the platform set forth in the Jesus camp program.

I suspect the reason the book and the movie have gotten so much notice is because people want to see what all the fuss is about.

An ABC News poll, per the following link, says 37% of the 83% of the American christian population, subscribe to Evangelical christianity. With 63 million copies of this book sold, in a country populated by that majority, when the world population is said to only boast 33% of it's global population as christians, I'd say it's more than curiosity. It's big numbers that , at least in this country, outnumber everyone else.

Toss in the spice of a jesus terrorist training camp population, into that mixed green salad of faith and creeds, and that can be described as militant evangelicals! And that's speaking about a movement that isn't fostered by curiosity for what it's teaching, so that that may be said to inflate book sales that acclaim the philosophy of evangelical christianity. But what it is speaking about is a zealous offensive evangelical platform with aspirations to take what it's teaching to everyone in the country, whether they like it or not and by force! These kids are being trained to engage in hand to hand combat with "the enemy". And that means anyone not like them! Imagine having to kill a kid because they're trying to kill you in the name of their god!

It's contemptible, worthy of ridicule, and disrespect, yes. However, that it's populated by people that think they must train to hurt and kill everyone else, including christians that aren't faithful to the "vision" , makes it worthy of serious concern and foresight relative to a defense, concerning the future this camp's sponsors/mentality boasts is as a godly mission, against all of us, that are not like them.

You really do your research, GW!

It's interesting to me that I live in the Bible Belt of the Southern US and I don't hear about this sort of thing. I'm not saying it's not here but, you would think I'd have heard something.

I don't flaunt the fact that I don't believe in God because it serves no purpose and therefore isn't part of everyday conversation. When religion is brought up I smile, nod and asked questions to show I respect them no matter what their religion.

I won't condemn all Christians for the actions of a few any more that I will blame all Muslims for the actions of a few.

edit:I went to a 'church camp' four times and it didn't taint me.

Really? Because there's a mess of them here on the forums. ;P


And Dave.. door swings both ways. "Christian Haters" dig crap up to proagandate... yeah well Christians who hate other faiths do the same deal. "Oh, your neighbor's pagan? Did you know that pagans worship satan and drink the blood of children while having orgies with demons during the full moon? It's true! My pastor said it was!"

sadly... that was a true conversation I overheard when I worked at the local mall...

Lets just hope that these kids eventually grow up to think for themselves...at least by the time they can vote.

I rented the movie a couple days ago and was appauled at what I saw. I remeber one of the early scense which was just funny. The fat lady was telling the kids they need to fast because most Christians are too fat and lazy to do so. How is that for Irony. Your fat preacher telling you to fast because she is to fat and lazy to do it

The only thing I'm hoping is that the majority of Christians are not that militant!

The "Left Behind" video series is in the cheapie $5.50 Bin of DVD's, at the local WalMart. I'll wait until this lugie gets snotted into that box and add it to my library. It sickens me still that even that amount of my money goes to the cause, but at least I'll have it on the record, sort of speak, that there are still those that think the inquisition and crusades were a good thing and need to be reinvigorated for the contemporary age. Case in point the terrorists for christ program(s).

You know, I read this and think of their overall goal and then I liken it to someone walking into a party. They scream at the top of their lungs, while brandishing weapons at all guests, that they object to the theme of the party and demand everyone immediately contain that party attitude! Then, they leave the room and not only expect compliance, but also that no one left behind, will talk about them and their tacts, after they leave the room. Much less brandish their own defensive weapons, should the party crasher return to threaten again!

That's right! Soon my host of Zen Jihadis will cover the world in terror. You will never find them. In order to bypass Homeland Security they have been highly trained in the arts of disguise. My loyal soldiers of emptiness could be anywhere at anytime. They will strike without warning and even while attacking you won't be sure if you are actually being attacked, since it is very possible that they never attacked to begin with.

Mwahahahahahahahaha!!

I'm looking forward to your regiment of zen Ninja. Invisible or not, weilders of weapons and opportunities to reincarnate, really really fast!

haha.. Zen militants..

that's like meat eating vegans.

*snickers*

"I've never met a Christian who proclaims that global warming is a myth and we can keep doing whatever we want to the environment."


I have debated the loudest on global warming, not to say their are no NB's that call this a myth, (I ain't met em) but the christains far outweigh the NB's on this subject. As if its not observable that there are some huge issues n the planet, due to the beleif that nature is to be subservient to man..Well the Jokes gonna be on man when nature whips his ignorant butt, nature will adjsut but will man???I Have bets he doesn't........ how often do you hear I don't know from the abrahamics????The most effective change is change yourself use your life to be the change you wish to see more and more are doing that and that in and of itself will move things forward. and is, regardless of who or who doesn't beleive we are making adjustments......

Those people scare me. They sound like they want to burn witches.

That would certainly be on their agenda. Remember, at one time a man ran for president of this country and part of his political platform included his promise to make "unrepentant" homosexuality and abortion, death penalty offenses. His name was Pat Buchanan and it was just the 1990's when he and his kindred in the spirit of evangelical christianity, sought to overtake the country from the highest seat in the land. Pat Robertson was the next candidate to go for it. When they were defeated in their reach for the highest seat, they initiated a grass roots campaign, under the banner of the "Moral Majority", in which it was decided they would instead infiltrate the grass roots levels of power in America, so as to gain a majority in every social and political hub of power, and then augment policies in those groups, toward the right wing conservative agenda. And today we see how affective their strategy is. Now one of their kind is in the seat of power. "Intelligent Design" is at issue for teaching in public schools. Creationism in disguise. Etc...

But think about it. Militant offensive muslim terrorists feel it worth the sacrifice of themselves and others, to engage the enemy so as to insure the superior force of militant islam win in the middle east. Christian zealot murderers feel it's worth it to scope a doctor and execute them in their home, in the parking lot of their work, etc... so as to insure gods babies are saved in the womb. Terrorism in the name of god or Gumby, is terrorism acted upon by human beings that choose to believe a philosophy they hold dear, is worth the sacrifice of themselves and others in order for what they believe in to gain dominion over everyone else. Engendering an attitude of nothing to lose. How does one threaten the mentality that thinks it wise to kill the body, for a cause, because they have nothing to lose by dying or killing!? How do you threaten that to make it stop?

Burning witches would be on their agenda? Thats just stupid.

Indeed! But it was the first time it was declared godly policy, so maybe it's a matter of revisionist history terrorism, that compels the potential in taking it, yet again, to that level. I mean, if they'll train children in hand to hand weapons combat, so they can deal with "the enemy" , how is anything out of bounds to their agenda!? Back in the day burning heretics was considered a rite. The church fathers figured better to leave this world in the flame, rather than spend eternity in the flames of hell. That's why they would give confession or raise a cross over the burning corpse. One of those signs of clerical pardon for their sins as heretics, while the body flamed in the name of the god.

It all comes down to a game of follow the leader. Some leaders are more militant than others and some followers are more easily influenced than others.
When you think about it though, the only religions on earth that go out of their way to be militant or intrusive are the xians and the muslims, not all of them but enough to be noticable. Pretty much everyone else is quite passive in their beliefs. This crap goes so far back in history it's ridiculus to think it's still going on in the 21st century. It seems as though religion has put these militant groups on pause when it comes to letting go for the sake of getting along. They're fighting for control of a large piece of dirt. You don't see pagans,buddists,hindus or atheists fighting anyone for these things. They are just trying to live in a peaceful world but they must live in a violent world and try not to get caught in the crossfire. I'm glad that most xians and muslims are loving and caring people but they should be the ones to monitor their own militants. Who better than members of their own faith to keep them in line. Just a thought.
Agree to disagree so that we can all enjoy peace and enjoy the colorful cultures of the world.

Very well said Curiousity, i agree the relgioous should be monitoring there own to see to it they contribute to peace and unity , i have felt and its jsut a thought that the socialization of relgioun needs alot of work....I mean the ability to be part of a whole esepcially when the whole isnt as one beleives it should be to suit them and only them.... as a humanity we are addressing this idea very seriously, in order to grow we must see unity in all .....

And yet, there are muslims that are campaigning to say: We're not all like that. And yet, what but the opponents, would there be in the difference between "good" muslims, trying to coral the militants and rebuke their behavior while at the same time demanding it cease it's terrorism, but more terrorism in response to that!? Zealot violent muslims kill their own faithful, their own tribal members in this conflict now, as well as those moderates that one could say should come to the platform and decry terrorism in the name of Allah. If a militant is willing to sacrifice their body first, so as to affect their sectarian agenda for all those brothers and sisters they leave behind, who that is reasonable can dissuade that dedication?! I think it would just turn into what we see now, amid the tribal warfare. Different sects of the muslim faith warring for dominion. Moderates would just enter the fray and become targets.


How does one reason with the unreasonable!? Blowing ones self to bits, so as to take others in the vicinity with that sacrifice, I think has escalated itself beyond any measure where reason would talk someone down from the choice, especially when they're told they'll be rewarded in death. And especially when that martyrdom, those riches in the heavens, is like salvation to those that are starving or the living poor, already.

Which is who would seem, by all reports, to be the martyr/terrorists, that wage the bloody fight. They're poor and some sheik tells them it's an honor to die for Allah. As I've mentioned, I watched a documentary about the jesus terrorist training camps, as well as one about muslim martyrs. One woman, who's sons both were martyred, said a sheik promised her first son glory in heaven, and that it was an honor to sacrifice for Allah. And then that son told his brother, that then wanted to join the cause that way.

As I see it it's a programming that has to be entered into a mind that sees no loss in sacrifice of themselves. Which means they hold nothing dear in themselves, if they're able to destroy what is dear to others, in the name of a campaign that wishes to rule everyone on earth. It's unrealistic to expect to succeed. And yet, that's clearly not true to the mind that accepts it's necessary to slaughter others or die themselves, to make something they shall never see come to fruition. How does one threaten someone, or reason with, that has nothing to lose?!

Actually I was thinking in terms of something a little less violent.

Violence was already a factor. It tends to consume everything in it's path, as is testified to by the centuries of tribal warfare that still rage. Reason for world domination, is seldom dissuaded by reason to stop that agenda. As is attested to by the cease fires and peace talks that have come, and gone.