Ryo Ohki
Jan 31 2007, 03:23 AM
Vote about the ark.
Ryo Ohki
Jan 31 2007, 03:25 AM
Edited.
Ryo Ohki
Jan 31 2007, 03:37 AM
Nevermind.
mozart635
Jan 31 2007, 03:37 AM
QUOTE(Ryo Ohki @ Jan 30 2007, 11:25 PM) [snapback]1523339[/snapback]
Can someone help? I was trying to fix the poll and now it dissapeared.
The ark is real plain and simple.
Ryo Ohki
Jan 31 2007, 03:54 AM
I dont think there would enough room for two of every animal.
JMPD1
Jan 31 2007, 04:22 AM
QUOTE(mozart635 @ Jan 30 2007, 10:37 PM) [snapback]1523354[/snapback]
The ark is real plain and simple.
really? And is that conclusion drawn from the mountains of archealogical evidence?
Or blind faith?
EmpressStarXVII
Jan 31 2007, 04:31 AM
I think it exsisted, not so sure about two of each animal in the world though. Perhaps the only world they knew exsisted was a 3,000 mile radius and rounded up the local animals.
JMPD1
Jan 31 2007, 04:37 AM
if so, then how do you account for the innumerable species that exist now?
when.i.am.queen.
Jan 31 2007, 04:44 AM
Perhaps the Ark existed, but the flood wasn't nearly as catastrophic as we were lead to believe.
That would explain the animal problem
Pax Unum
Jan 31 2007, 04:50 AM
Noah and the ark is a variation of much older Mesopotamian flood stories... no, I don't believe it existed.
JMPD1
Jan 31 2007, 04:54 AM
but queen, if you accept that the ark is fact, then you must accept that the flood covered the world, no?
I mean, didn't the Jewish god decide to wipe out the entire palnet?
Mad Manfred
Jan 31 2007, 05:02 AM
QUOTE(mozart635 @ Jan 31 2007, 02:37 PM) [snapback]1523354[/snapback]
The ark is real plain and simple.
*EDIT - completely unnecessary*QUOTE(JMPD1 @ Jan 31 2007, 03:54 PM) [snapback]1523453[/snapback]
but queen, if you accept that the ark is fact, then you must accept that the flood covered the world, no?
I mean, didn't the Jewish god decide to wipe out the entire palnet?
I think she means something along the lines of a local nut building a raft, loading a few cats and dogs onto it and sat there waiting for a flood. Seven years later, by chance, the town gets flooded.
I wonder if God consulted Brahma before he decided to flood India. Inconsiderate bastard.
when.i.am.queen.
Jan 31 2007, 05:06 AM
No, not necessarily. There could still be a large flood, to which one man forsaw and built an arc. Whether or not that person is Noah, and all events happened just like out of the bible, is what I am questioning. I think in all liklihood there was a flood, and someone built an Arc. There are records of a gigantic flood around that time (in the Epic of Gilgamesh, I think) and it would be unlikely that if someones land was flooding, they would build a boat and perhaps bring an animal or two.
EmpressStarXVII
Jan 31 2007, 05:08 AM
QUOTE(JMPD1 @ Jan 30 2007, 11:37 PM) [snapback]1523433[/snapback]
if so, then how do you account for the innumerable species that exist now?
The flood wasn't as bad as the writers of the story made it out to be. Rain for 40 days and 40 nights is hardly enough to cover the entire planet; and even if that was possible, would the water have been deep enough to hold an entire ark with tons and tons of animal weight?
Could we fit the entire race of animals on a primitive arc built from wood? Two of each 15,000 species of mammals? 2 of each 6,000 species of reptiles? Not to mention the countless species of birds and insects.
when.i.am.queen.
Jan 31 2007, 05:12 AM
QUOTE(EmpressStarXVII @ Jan 31 2007, 04:08 PM) [snapback]1523473[/snapback]
The flood wasn't as bad as the writers of the story made it out to be. Rain for 40 days and 40 nights is hardly enough to cover the entire planet; and even if that was possible, would the water have been deep enough to hold an entire ark with tons and tons of animal weight?
Could we fit the entire race of animals on a primitive arc built from wood? Two of each 15,000 species of mammals? 2 of each 6,000 species of reptiles? Not to mention the countless species of birds and insects.
Thanks Empress..you've said exactly what I was trying to get at!
nativechick1989
Jan 31 2007, 07:53 AM
Noahs Ark existing is possible .. maybe not to the extent of what it states in the Bible, world flood and saving every animal. You gotta think about how life was during that time, the term 'world', not necessarily meaning global, but more in terms of a certain geographical area. The Great Flood .. torential rains, making it seem like the world was flooding .. area being around the location of the Black Sea .. winds and waves, being tossed back and forth. That will make it seem like they were adrift in a global flood. As for the 'all' the animals being saved ... once again you gotta think back to that time and the species that existed, in that area. Not like todays animals, where there are numerous breeds of each species.
Chauncy
Jan 31 2007, 08:51 AM
The shear colossal undertaking to create such a structure does seem more outside the realm of possibility and closer to that of fiction. Lets pretend for a second that it did take place and the Ark with all its deisenfranchised wayfarers reached their terminus atop Mount Ararat. Now comes the question of how were the animals dispersed back to their antecendent habitats.
The Three Toed Sloth for example is only found in South America. This laggard of a creature only travels at .068mph, thats about a mile a day. Their speed is nothing short of glacial. Its about 6500 miles from Mount Ararat to the sloths home in South America. At the sloth's rate of speed it would take them about 3000 years to get home. Taking into consideration that they sleep during the day this allows for night travel only which prolongs their journey. To attenuate the travels of the sloth even more, they only live about 12 years.
Not to mention that if the Sloths wanted to arrive at the Ark to meet the departure time, they would have had to have left their habitat before the Earth was created. Not only that but the Sloths would have had to of known about the Flood before Noah. God must have had a special place in his heart for the Three Toed sloth to create it before anything else on the planet.
Sure, a creationist could say that God moved the sloth back home. Which would collaborate the obvious special place the Sloth held in God's heart, but if God intervened in such a matter, then why didn't he intervene in such a way to eliminate the need for the Ark to begin with.
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...t&p=1460834
Saint
Jan 31 2007, 08:56 AM
Metaphorical, not real, like the rest of the bible...
Ashley-Star*Child
Jan 31 2007, 10:41 AM
The flood, if you read Enoch began with several asteroid hits into the ocean which caused tsumanis and then the 40 day flooding. Was there an Ark? I believe so.
Essan
Jan 31 2007, 01:39 PM
There probably was a real event which was remembered in Mesopotamia as a popular folk myth, slowly distorted in detail over the centuries, and subsequently being incorporated in a later form in the Bible. And possibly someone survived that flood event in a boat. So on that basis, one could argue that Noah's Ark was real. Except he wasn't called Noah, it wasn't an Ark and he didn't take 1 (or 7) pairs of all the millions of creatures on Earth aboard with him.
Celumnaz
Jan 31 2007, 01:47 PM
voted the ark did exsist.
ramster83
Jan 31 2007, 04:01 PM
Yeah i too believe the arc existed. Again as most say the Bible story is hard to swallow. Yet i do believe certain aspects of it to be true. In my opinion there was a flood. A big one. An arc was built. Animals were taken but not to the extent mentioned.It may have been a flood within the radius and he rescued animals in his site- in the immediate area. While thousands of kilometers away things were fine. Kangaroos were still hopping in Australia

. Ahh who knows.
GIDEON MAGE
Jan 31 2007, 04:35 PM
OK. There was a flood, but it was 10,000 years ago. After the last ice age, areas were flooded that had been dry land for thousands of years. For example, the entire Mediterranean Sea was once dry land for a long time. It would be very easy for legends to crop up over thousands of years. We have to remember that every book in the bible was written hundreds to thousands of years after the alleged events. Perhaps there really was a big flood in the area near Israel, and a farmer took his animals with him, and it later became the ark legend. A real ark like in the bible? Of course not.
Darkwind
Jan 31 2007, 09:17 PM
Floods happen all the time, but the ark no I don't think that happen. It was just a fire side story to entertain the kids. Ya'll ever hear Bill Cosby's story of Noah. Oh man, was that ever funny I wish I still had that album.
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