NASA has said there is. TV shows have thousands of bits of evidence. Yet there are still some people that don't believe.

Why is that. Every star yiou see in the sky has about 20 000 stars in that galaxy then theres the stars in the sky you can't see. then theres 10 more or less planets around 90% of those stars then tell me where the only people in the galaxy that has life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKsvuGOubhM...ted&search=

NASA says in the Intro about finding Alien remains.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i340IYwptZ8...ted&search=

I think nasa just mean there is extraterrestrial life in the form of bacteria I also think the claims made in those videos are not from nasa theirself

What was the point in posting those 2 videos? They completely contradict each other. The second one is a well thought-out documentary about military testing, offering insightful explainations for a lot of UFO mythology (and not saying "aleins" exist, by the way).

The first one was sensationalist American crap which says completely the opposite. Oh, and it uses Will Smith as an expert interviewee.

The point in all this being.....?

logically though we know there is life with or without nasa so who challenges that though are thick wether we find them or not is another question....!

Well, we don't actually know that there is life out there other than our own, we just think that it is highly probable. However, I think that if NASA wants to advocate the possibilities, then isn't that a good thing?

Almost certain I'd say. Michio Kaku, founder of the string theory field equation, says that at a very conservation estimate (10% of solar systems with planets, 10% of the planets that could support life, 10% of those being intelligent etc etc etc), there would be 200,000 planets in our galaxy with life of a comparable intelligence to ours.

Note that it is comparible intelligence. I'm not a flying saucer advocate btw.

Still, when all is said and done, someone had to be first, and there is no reason why we wouldn't be the first intelligent lifeform in the universe.

I'd never thought of that before. Bit depressing actually.

I agree. I think that it would be really disapointing to be the first intelligent life form. However, I think that the chances of that are quite unlikely. Seeing as our Earth is relatively yo9ung, I would say that it is much more likely for there to be more advanced civilisations. Besides, we don;'t even need them to be more advanced than us for us to benefit from it.

I love the fact that NASA is being more open minded about this...

Quite true, but even if we aren't "the first in the universe", perhaps we are the first intelligent life in our particular galaxy? The distances between galaxies is mind boggling, were there intelligent life in another galaxy I doubt we'd be able to detect it, or them us.

At the opposite end of speculation there may be many other intelligent species ( in our galaxy) who, for whatever reason either don't know about us, or don't really care about whether we exist or not. Then, of course, there's the idea that they (being the intelligent aliens) know about us, and for reasons known only to them choose to keep us uninformed of their existence.

Bottome line: We simply don't know.

Some people deny the reality because of fear, some simply don't care, some don't care and don't believe. My friend (Who is very dumb) says he believes in life on other planets but non-inteligent. The others say they are all dead. What kind of people do I hang out with? Like really, some poeple just don't bother getting into the topic, and when people ask their opinion they just say they don't believe. They think all videos are just false, and alot are, alot aren't. I personally WANT to believe, I want to believe in life out there, but some people are just so stubborn!!

Anyways, I really do believe in ET, think of egyptian drawing of them, think of our sightings, videos we have, pictures, "abductees", UFO hunters, the list just goes on.
My point in this is that people need to open their mind a bit, watch, relax, do 10 minutes of research and you will already find something interesting.

But can I ask a question quickly while we are on the topic? Roswell, the crash there, why do you think the UFO crashed? Was it shot down? Were the pilots unaware of Earth's gravity forces and got pulled straight down? Maybe the Ship was piloted by ET's that were unaware of our gravity and were used to space-non-gravital travel? ( I am trying to say this without sounding crazy ).

And I was recently looking at area 51 through google sattelite, it's an ENOURMOUS base. I just cant figure out what they have ALL those runways for, their everywhere! Ok anyways, thank you for letting me ask some questions and state my mind. I am going to go elsewhere and not making a fool of myself here. Thank you.

There are alot of people who believe that intelligent life exists on other planets, but that these aliens have never visited Earth because the distances are too vast. These are the kinds of people who tend to be enthusiastic about SETI.

Personally, even though I can't prove aliens are visiting. I find the arguments as to why aliens wouldn't visit or aren't visiting to be weak. They make assumptions based on 20th century understandings of physics and propulsion. And also assume that we are too boring to visit and observe (which I find insulting).

I'm new to this forum, so I'd just like to say "Howdy" to everyone out there for starters.

Now, concerning Alien life form. I believe it does exist. With the vastness of the Universe, the countless planets and galaxies, the rationality for other life forms to exist is not only probably, but highly likely.

But, everyone keeps talking about "intelligent" life forms. What is meant by that? Human beings have been on planet Earth for thousands of years. We have grown in "intelligence". Most of that intelligence has been just within the past 150 to 200 years. But, look where it has taken us. Imagine where we will be if we still exist another 150 or 200 years from now.

Our air and water are polluted. Governments are corrupt. Babies are being aborted. Marriages end in divorce 50% of the time. We are eating genetically altered food. We still don't have cures for heart disease or cancer. Children are killing other children. Both parents are working overtime just to keep the bills paid. We are depleting the Earth's natural resources at an astronomical rate. We have the nuclear ability to destroy every living thing on this planet in less than an hour. And, my computer crashes at least twice a week.

Yet, our "intelligence" has brought cures for other diseases. People are living longer. We have the ability to fly completely across the planet, to other countries, in mere hours. We are building a work station in outer space. With the press of a button I can turn on my TV and see images that have been beamed to my receiver from who knows where. I can pick up my phone, and by pressing a few numbers, be talking to someone who lives 2000 miles away in just a few seconds.

My point being, what exactly does it mean to be "intelligent"? And, is being intelligent necessarily a good thing?

If there is intelligent life forms on other planets, and I personally believe that there is, it's not out of the realm of logical thinking to believe that their technology is far superior to ours. Or, that our technology is far superior to theirs.

If we are the only life forms, intelligent or otherwise, in the vast greatness that is the Universe, then we are in BIG trouble.

Yes, because you asked them personally right?

Waspie is gonna be all over this.

God loves you Waspie.

In terms of the age of the universe we are brand new here even if you include dinosaurs or the first microbial life forms, I hardly think we could be the first life in the universe. We're talking about between 13 and 15 billion years (or so) since the big bang (If that theory actually holds water). Mankinds presence here can be measured in 10's and hundred's of thousands of years which make us new comers?!
If I'm wrong please post some reading for me... I like to read

Since we are in a supernova hot pocket, don't you think that a civilization in an older hot pocket than ours is more likely to be first than we are, or one so old that the hot pocket has dispersed?

Intelligence is relative. What seems intelligent to us may seem like caveman mentality elsewhere (IMO). Maybe we look like a bunch of monkey's trying to get it on with a football to beings with superior intelligence. We're only intelligent because we profess to be... We are seemingly intelligent is about as far as I'd go with that statement. We're relatively intelligent as compared to a snail, or even the caveman... "relative" being the key word. Another being may think we're as dumb as a rock. Just my opinion

I don't think as a species we've really become more intelligent in the past 150-200 years, we've only expanded our knowledge. Many of our problems our due to our primitive urges not being compatible with modern life. For instance- obesity, when food was scarce we ate alot when we could so we could survive to our next meal. Food is no longer scarce but many of us still have the urge to eat like we may not eat for days. Probably most of the problems you list could also be traced to primitive urges.


Anyway, by intelligent life, I think most people mean a species of life capable if independant thought, reasoning and all the other things that separate humans from the rest of the animal kingdom. If we discovered a species on another planet that was just discovering the wheel, it would be an intelligent species, just not an advanced civilization.

We would seem as dumb as a rock to the ancient people. Without our customary level of tech we become quickly helpless. If handed a stone tipped spear and a wooden bow, a sling and a bag of stones, or some rope and sticks, and then told to find and kill game in a few hours, most of us would be in trouble though a child of their people could easily track and kill a small animal with those tools.

I agree. More often than not, aliens are imagined as being light years ahead of us in technology. Why wouldn't Humans be the most technologically developed species in the universe? I suppose because it would take away from the mystique of hollywood science fiction.

You aren't wrong. You just aren't all the way right.

It really doesn't matter how new or how old any given galaxy is. There is simply no way to calculate what sort of circumstances would result in life. For all we know, the giant superstars that developed right after the Big Bang were this universe's high point of life, with little fire demons dancing happily all over the place. Alternatively, perhaps the only way life could ever develop is in circumstances so unlikely, so extremely unusual, that the only place you could find them is in a watery little rock of a planet in a miniscule galaxy way out in the universal boondocks, that finally developed after billions of years of random chances, and we are all that there is and all that there will be.

There is just no way to know. Heck, there isn't even any decent way to speculate. So, feel free to think anything you like. Perhaps the universe is teeming with life. Perhaps it is utterly bereft of it except for ours. Perhaps it is somewhere in the middle. Maybe we are the first, and will, millenia from now, be the gods of the new worlds. Maybe we are the last, and the only reason we are alone is because everyone else has passed on.

With nothing to go on, I'll just go with my personal feelings on the subject. As a scientist, I will say that there is no evidence as of yet of extraterresrial life, and no evidence of intelligent alien visitation. As a person, I'll keep looking up at the night sky with a wistful smile on my face, and silently pray for someone to prove me wrong.

Ok, so while we are at this topic, heres a site I think you guys should check out, it has some interesting pics of around area 51, some alien pics and videos, UFO videos, and some interesting facts. Whether the pics and videos are real are left up to you, I believe in a few of those pictures since the faces of Luitenants And Officers, are real, so some of those pictures could be real. I want to not make this post an essay, so ill make it quick and simply, this site might have some proof of ET existance, along with some interesting facts. Just check out the site and tell us what you think. Good site if you ask me.
Link:ET-Proof Site?

There is life out there not just bacterial. And to say otherwise is really egocentrical, I got on space.com a few days ago and one of our satellites that have been out side our galaxy snapped a picture of earth, You can't believe how small we really are in the scheme of things, Look the earth has only been around a few billion years and you have to take into consideration that the universe is infinite, Neverending, Not to mention how old it is and i believe there our other civilzations out there just like ours only millions possibly billions of years more advanced. People on earth just want to believe that were unique and the only possible intelligent life in the universe and it's simply not true.

So is the attittude that there can be one answer, only one, and anyone who disagrees must be not merely wrong, but wrong for a personal and biased reason.

(*bolding is mine)

There really isn't any way to conclude anything more than this without evidence. It doesn't matter who has the strongest belief...all that matters is the evidence.

When did i say there wasn't bacterial life? There is and i don't dispute it. What i was talking about are the people that say bacterial life is the ONLY other possible life in the universe which isn't true, Because it's not.

This is so true Bella! I posted somewhere else something similar concerning intelligence being relative to your enviroment. 10 years of college may not help one bit if the knowledge you need is that of "how to survive" a particular situation. A farmer may have no schooling and yet, be able to survive an event which someone of the highest education may not. Thats not to take away from academics though, full respect and admiration for the people who can learn and test and give us science. FULL RESPECT

The odds of other life in the universe in my opinion is very likely however I can not say for certin there is and niether can you. I don't know for a fact that intelligent exsists and they are visiting and if you can prove other wise I'll be glad to hear you out. Your belief that they exsist is a belief and only a belief.

No one ever said you didn't.

You believe there is, and that is up to you, but that is an opinion, nothing more, and I already explained why.



And I was talking about people who make absolute claims that are nothing more than opinions and further add that anyone who doesn't agree with what they say must be disagreeing out of personal and biased reasoning.

I'd like to add to this that what we consider intelligence is relative. Just because we have created buildings, we have come up with quantum theory, etc, does not mean that there is some different kind of intelligence out there. I've had this discussion in another thread, but it seems more relevant in this thread. The thing I really don't like about this conversation is that people are saying these things:

1. There is a possibility of life besides us out there
2. This life is either less intelligent or more intelligent than we are
3. We are a recent addition to the universe, so that could mean we are either the first "intelligent" species, we are in the midst of others, or we are the last.

I dont think that we can look at it like there are beings more or less intelligent than us out there. I think we need to look at things in a realistic way which is: The universe has infinite possibility in it. The earth is a very good example of this. Look at all the different kinds of intelligence and beings we have. There are creatures that only evolve and survive next to extrememly hot underwater geisers (cant think of the actual name right now). If you took them away from the extreme heat they would die. On the contrary, there are beings who live in extreme cold and if you took them away from the cold they would also die. There are cold blooded beings and warm blooded beings. The only limitation of beings on this planet is their structure from DNA. Now why can't there be some different structure? Maybe the ammonia on Venus has created a structure of beings similar to our only they use some different DNA structure because they are ammonia based beings. I would think that someone like Mattshark would be able to go further with this kind of idea, or someone with a background in biology or something. But anyway, you get what I'm saying.
So anyway, we know what makes life on our planet, but that doesn't mean that other planets make life the exact same way. I think it's ridiculous to say that the only life is life like ours, and that the only intelligence is intelligence like ours. There has to be something different we dont understand because there isn't ANY proof otherwise. We cannot dismiss it nor can we embrace it because we dont have the ability to understand everything about everything, nor will we ever. If we did, I think existance would end right then and there.