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I know Muslims cannot eat pork or anything made from pigs like Jews can't so I'm wondering if Muslims can mix meat and dairy?
sbradj
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"My form of christianity"
I think, for me that this says it all. 'Christianity' is the Baskin-Robbins of religions. 31 flavors, all saying they are the best, the only, the true faith.
For those unaware, Baskin-Robbins is a chain of ice cream stores, that feature different flavored ice creams. Their slogan is "31 flavors".

Although, coffee flavor is the best wink2.gif

Did you come up with that all by yourself? tongue.gif
JMPD1
Why I believe I did.....
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EmpressStarXVII
When you pray 5 times a day, is there any significance to the specific time that you have to pray?

Again, I have to thank you for this thread, I'm learning so much clap.gif
sbradj
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Why I believe I did.....
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i actually gota say Youve got something there...for most that is.... all they gotta do is take their pick on which ever suits (favorite flavor) theirself best.. thumbsup.gif



Nova Scotia
modern christianity is predicted in 17 chapter of Rev .

Mystery Babalon the Great . The mother lives in 7 hills =rome the daughters are the protestants .

babalon the great = confusion the great . its more like 1000 flavours .


satan is a master at deception so to hide the true faith he surounds it with many many counterfiets .

alot of these counterfiets will have one truth they are real strong with to bait the snair .

don't be surprised christianity is as confuseing as it is as this is what the bible predicted .


it also tells you the merchants of the earth will wax rich with her delicacies = christmas ,easter, valentines , halloween all creations of the mother church . actually they are borrowed fom other faiths such as pagan . thats why the daughters are harlots . they fornicate with other faiths .
Jor-el
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A Muslim is judged for his whole life as a Muslim. Meaning if someone becomes a Muslim he gets all his previous sins forgiven and from there he is judged on all his actions until his death. If one is born Muslim, he is judged on all his life as a Muslim.

But didn't you say earlier that we are all muslims from birth, that if we convert we are just reverting?

If so then God will judge you and me from the moment we are born, not from the moment we "revert".

A contradiction like that is not easy to swallow.
muslim

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But didn't you say earlier that we are all muslims from birth, that if we convert we are just reverting?

If so then God will judge you and me from the moment we are born, not from the moment we "revert".

A contradiction like that is not easy to swallow.


God will judge you from the moment you accept the religion of Islam if you become a Muslim i.e sins before that will be forgiven entirely.
muslim
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Is it like this in Islam , Is their a Holy Spirit given to the Real Ones? That actually lets them see more?
There is God guiding us and letting us see more through us praying to Him and asking Him to guide us.

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whats with mohammed why so highly used?

as i read through All these threads his name comes up so many times? why so..
is mohammed considered your Jesus in islam?


In Islam we believe in all the prophets including Jesus Christ, peace be upon them all, but naturally we speak of Mohammed more since he was the final prophet who explained the religion to us. We make no diference between a prophet and another we love them all and respect them all, Im just quoting Mohammed since he is the prophet who conveyed Islam to us thats all. Muslims dont worship Mohammed or anything like that, we believe he was a man who lived and died like you and me, exept that he was a prophet. We're not "Mohammadans" we're Muslims i.e submit to God and God alone, not Mohammed. Mohammed is a messenger of God. Not God. The God we worship is the God of Mohammed the God of Jesus the God of Moses the God of Abraham and Noah and Adam and everyone.


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does it say in the koran that if you're wife "talks back" or "gets out of line" that it's okay to lock her up in a room and go in and periodically beat her?
No no. The wife has the right to talk back to her husband in Islam and say her opinion on anything she wants, thats a right of hers and no one can take that away. The Quran says that if she is in sin thats when you have to talk to her and tell her to stop because shes sining. if she doesnt stop you talk to her more till her heart melts. If she doesnt stop sinning you admonish her i.e you dont sleep with her for a long time. If after that she doesnt stop the sin shes doing u can tap her with a brush to show that you're very dissatisfied of what shes doing if she doesnt stop the sin than you can just divorce her and that would be the end of that. Keep in mind Muslims are to take Mohammed p.b.u.h as a role model and he never beat any of his wives on the contrary he would smile to them and was extremely kind to them that they would always say good stuff about him and that he was the kindest man with the highest ethics. And he said:
"The best of you are the best to there wives"

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When you pray 5 times a day, is there any significance to the specific time that you have to pray?


Im sorry I dont think I understood your question. Do you mean is there a speciic time period as to when to pray or do you mean is there a specific time period as to how long you have to pray?

If the first then yes the time is set its calculated by the moon and the sun etc its a bit complicated I just pray whenever I hear the call for prayer for the mosques or I check the time of the prayer in the newspapers or online daily and thats it. Mostly its one prayer at dawn at around 5 am one prayer at maybe 12 am one at 3 one at 5 and one at around 7.

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Again, I have to thank you for this thread, I'm learning so much


Please, its my pleasure and sorry for my short comings original.gif
muslim
Prayer in Islam is to exercise ones relationship with God. We believe your relationship with God is one on one. You dont have to go to someone and ask that someone to pray for God to you or ask God to forgive your sins on your behalf or anything like that. So most Muslims have a personal relationship with God. Sometimes while Im driving I find mysel remembering my sins and how sometimes you sin without even intending to do so, so I start talking to God one on One and I praise Him and thank Him and ask forgiveness from Him. And that I couldnt seek refuge to Him from my evil desires because of my forgetfullness and I ask Him to forgive me. He is our God He created us. If He doesnt forgive us who will? So this is something unique about Muslims and God that you can have a personal relationship with God. You're not allowed 2 go to a human being a Muslim scholar or whatever and tell him to forgive u because youve sinned, you go directly to the source of forgiveness, God.
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If the first then yes the time is set its calculated by the moon and the sun etc


Yes that is what I was looking for. How it was determined what time to pray.

Also, in Christianity and Catholicism when you go to church, you hear a pastor speak....or a priest.

In Islam what is the title of the ones speaking to the crowd?

Sorry if im not making sense, that was the best way I could word it lol.
muslim
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Also, in Christianity and Catholicism when you go to church, you hear a pastor speak....or a priest.

In Islam what is the title of the ones speaking to the crowd?


We pray in dawn, in the morning, in noon, in the after noon, and at night.

The guy who speaks is called an Imam. He only speaks at friday which is our holly day. Other than that on normal days mostly we just pray. And then some might sit the mosque (masjid in Arabic) and recite the Quran. Some may continue to pray and some may sit with the Imam and ask him questions etc. Mostly in the Imams speach he speaks of things we need to remember in our daily lifes. He speaks about how Mohammed was treated very harshly and rudely by the pagan Arabs and how he would always treat them with respect and forgive and was patient and so on. Sometimes he speaks about the description of heaven and hell to remind us and so forth.
JMPD1
I believe the term is "Imam" for the person leading the congregation in prayer.

Or is that the person who calls the faithful to prayer?
muslim
The person who calls for the prayer is called Moathin. He just says the prayer call and thats his job. usually the Moathin has a nice voice too.

Here u can listen 2 the muslim prayer call. the footage is from Mecca the holiest Muslim site:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGyxyrPPYH0

Here is one with subtitles:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP6MmKMkB5U...ted&search=

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Can Muslims mix meat and dairy? I asked you this and I don't think you noticed.
Nova Scotia
The words of Christ tell Christians not to pray like hippocrits as they love to pray in synagogues and in corners of streets that they may be seen of men .
He also told us to enter our closet and pray to our father in secret . As praying in Secret seems to be the Ones God answers so says Jesus .

He also told Christians not to use reputitious prayers like heathen Do as they think they will be heard for their much speaking . It tells us God knows before we ask What we want .

So when a muslim prays i relise its one in public but do you avoid repetitous Prayer ?

Like when I pray I go alone and Talk to God the way I want to talk to him . Is that how a muslim does it or does somebody tell you what you must say?

I do have to say If i prayed a minimum of 5 times a day I think id have some kick . Maybe I could learn sometimg from islam and increase my praying .
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Can Muslims mix meat and dairy? I asked you this and I don't think you noticed.
You mean dairy products??? If so then yes we can. The things which are forbidden in Islam are the things which arent good for you. Intoxicants because you can get addicted to them and because when you take them you wont be in your complete mental awarenes thus doing something you may regret as big as a crime or as stupid as making yourself look like a fool so God forbade that.

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So when a muslim prays i relise its one in public but do you avoid repetitous Prayer ?


First the 5 prayerswe have to prayer these have to be in the mosque as long as you can go to the mosque. But if your parents ask you to do something and thus cant go pray at the mosque then its ok. Repetitious prayer in Islam is liked because it in a way or another glorifies God as to how great He is is and reminds us that it is only He who can answer prayers. From the moment you begin asking Him for something till He answers, all the time between that, even if you were asking Him for say a year, all your sins which are between your praying to Him and Him answering them are forgiven. There is a prayer which isnt obligatory, this is liked to be alone not in public, its at night late at night or before you go to sleep.

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Like when I pray I go alone and Talk to God the way I want to talk to him . Is that how a muslim does it or does somebody tell you what you must say?


Well prayer in Islam is different then the word prayer itself. Prayer generally means that you ask God for something that you want or need etc. Islamic prayer is different. You stand in a row with those who are going to pray and the Imam is the one in the front and he leads the prayer. He says God is great and the prayer starts. You put your hands on your chest and look to the ground and start reading the Quran. After the Imam finishes he says God is great , then you move on to the next step which is to bow down to God saying (I cant translate it acurately) but it sort of means Glory be to my great God. After that you move on to the next step which is to bo down to him on the floor as some of the porphets in the Bible used to do as it says they "fell on their faces". Then you say glory be to my high God three times. You pray for your parents. Then you can pray anything you like at this position because we believe this is the closest you are to God at this position.

So basically the prayer is sort of half mixed, half is what you have to say and the other half is you praying to him what you like. But generaly after the prayer is finished is when people raise their hands and pray to Him since after the prayer they can prolong it as much as they like unlike while praying you're praying with a group.

Il upload some pics of ppl praying soon God willing. Now i g2g pray too lol.




sbradj
so its a rutine a ritual...not spirit lead but lead from a man who tells you a certain time? not you own your own free will words from the heart..but reading repeating..noting of your own? you pray 4-5 times a day because some man tells you too and when? is this correct?
mohammed was just another prophet according to islam? is the koran wrote by him?did he set these rules/laws/regulations?
what kinda process is there to become a muslim?
muslim
oh man lol. sbradj you misunderstod many of the stuff I said but I thinks that my fault i didnt explain good.

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so its a rutine a ritual...not spirit lead but lead from a man who tells you a certain time?
The time was set 1400 years. It is fixed. It is calculated in a very complicated way. Contact:

http://www.islamicfinder.org/help.php?lang=#Q1

and I hope they can explain it you. The man doesnt tell us when to pray because hes just a man who is he to comand us when to pray. The prayer is before dawn in maybe 10 minutes then in the morning at around 12 then at noon and after noon and at night. There is a certain method to calculate the time of the prayer. It mostly has to do with when the sun sets when noon comes and so on.

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not you own your own free will words from the heart..but
reading repeating..noting of your own?


We read from the Quran and after were done with that we say what we want in our hearts. The Muslim obligatory prayer which is 5 times a day is an act of worship to God not just praying to God. After u this salah (prayer) you can pray to God anything u want. Whenever u pray the five prayers, between each prayer and the other your sins are forgiven ! original.gif

Here is a video of Muslims praying maybe ull get a better idea:
this is Mecca the holliest Muslim place where ppl make their pilgrimage. The black thing in the middle is what we call "Kaaba" it was the first shrine built on earth dedicated to God alone built by Abraham peace be upon him. We dont worship the kaabah itself but we bown down to its direction because it is directly below Gods throne and we bow down towards it to unite the place where Muslims pray towards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpD2V1uy6rc


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you pray 4-5 times a day because some man tells you too and when? is this correct?
No as I explained. We dont listen to men in regarding our religion in Islam you only listen to Gods instructions.

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mohammed was just another prophet according to islam?


Yes he was the final prophet. God sent him to finalize and unite Judaism and Christianity and explain the doubts people had and to unite them under pure monotheism that God is One, He has no partners, He has no equals, He does not begett and is not begotten. We do not worship Mohammed. He was just a man but a prophet.

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is the koran wrote by him?
Mohammed didnt know how to read or write he was illiterate. The Quran was literally written by and authored by God Almighty. The Quran was a verbal revelation not an inspirational revelation meaning that words were put in Mohammeds mouth from God by the archangel Gabriel peace be upon him. So the Quran isnt Mohammeds word claimng to be from God it is lietrally Gods word.

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did he set these rules/laws/regulations?


He didnt set anything by himself. All he spoke regarding laws rules regulations were from God. God used to send him the angel Gabriel and Gabriel would instruct him and teach him the law rules etc through the Quran.

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what kinda process is there to become a muslim?


You just have to say the decleration of faith which is a verbal contract between you and God:

ash hado an la ilaha ila Allah. Wa ash hado ana Mohamadan rasool Allah

which means I bear witness that there is no God but Allah and I bear witness that Mohammed is the messenger of Allah.

Allah is the arabic word for God. Muslims from all nationalities even Americans use the word Allah for God instead of just God because when we say Allah we mean God who has no partners or equals or associates meaning no son no mother no father, absolute One, so we use the word Allah.

if i didnt answer any of ur questions in a good way plz go to
www.chatislam.com
on weekends ull find american muslim scholars who will gladely answer ur questions.
muslim
these are some nice picks. the first two is the holliest muslim site in Mecca, Saudia Arabia. tens of millions go there every year.
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Hmm okay. I just know that Muslims cannot eat pork, and I know Jews also can't. So I just wondered since Jews (strict Jews) cannot eat meat and dairy products together, if Muslims couldn't ether. That is all.
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Hmm okay. I just know that Muslims cannot eat pork, and I know Jews also can't. So I just wondered since Jews (strict Jews) cannot eat meat and dairy products together, if Muslims couldn't ether. That is all.


Unique question though lol.
Nova Scotia
So muslim it don't bother you at all that John an apostle that Jesus Loved and hand picked may of wrote ? .

HE IS ANTICHRIST , that denieth the Father and The Son 1st john 2:23

I mean them scriptures was in existance 600 years before muhamed started denying this .

According to witnesses alive at the Time Jesus though alot of John .


muslim
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So muslim it don't bother you at all that John an apostle that Jesus Loved and hand picked may of wrote ? .

HE IS ANTICHRIST , that denieth the Father and The Son 1st john 2:23

I mean them scriptures was in existance 600 years before muhamed started denying this .

According to witnesses alive at the Time Jesus though alot of John .


I believe this verse was merely speaking metaphorically not literally.
tetisheri

I have just read through the thread, and I have a few questions. Sorry they are not all directly connected!

You said:

"No no. The wife has the right to talk back to her husband in Islam and say her opinion on anything she wants, thats a right of hers and no one can take that away. The Quran says that if she is in sin thats when you have to talk to her and tell her to stop because shes sining. if she doesnt stop you talk to her more till her heart melts. If she doesnt stop sinning you admonish her i.e you dont sleep with her for a long time. If after that she doesnt stop the sin shes doing u can tap her with a brush to show that you're very dissatisfied of what shes doing if she doesnt stop the sin than you can just divorce her and that would be the end of that. Keep in mind Muslims are to take Mohammed p.b.u.h as a role model and he never beat any of his wives on the contrary he would smile to them and was extremely kind to them that they would always say good stuff about him and that he was the kindest man with the highest ethics. And he said:
"The best of you are the best to there wives"

A husband may 'punish' his wife if she's disobediant ( nashiz) or when she sins as you say? I am more familiar with the first reason (nashiz). To be honest, I don't like either possible interpretations! For me, a husband punishing his wife if she doesn't obey him goes against the grain of my idea of marriage as a relationship based on eaquality, mutual respect and partnership. If it is sinning, isn't every individual responsible for his/her actions, morality etc? If this individual has a "one on one" relationship with God ,as you said, that excludes priests or Imams or saints' interferance, what gives the husband the right to punish his wife for sinning? Isn't that God's job? Or does the husband take over moral responsibility for his wife's eternal salvation ? How does that reflect on the wife's responsibility for her actions infront of God?


"Whenever u pray the five prayers, between each prayer and the other your sins are forgiven !" and also "even if you were asking Him for say a year, all your sins which are between your praying to Him and Him answering them are forgiven."

Does forgiveness hinge on saying an extra prayer or on repentance of sin? Do you mean ALL sins are automatically forgiven even ones a person might not have yet asked forgivness for, just because he said an extra prayer? What if he did not feel repentant or regretted that sin, will it still be forgiven? My muslim friend told me that by fasting one extra day - I think Ashoura- all sins are forgiven for a whole year. Is that a common belief ? Can one be granted automatic absolution of sin by one extra prayer or one extra day of fasting?

Last question, what is your take on polygamy in Islam when the same verse that allows it pending a condition "if you will be just/fair" also ends with " and you will not be fair"? Different muslim friends have different views on that, what in your opinion is the correct interpretation?
aztek
is it thru that atlantis mentioned in the koran?
muslim
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If this individual has a "one on one" relationship with God ,as you said, that excludes priests or Imams or saints' interferance, what gives the husband the right to punish his wife for sinning? Isn't that God's job? Or does the husband take over moral responsibility for his wife's eternal salvation ? How does that reflect on the wife's responsibility for her actions infront of God?




Yes but in Islam we are obligated to forbid wrong. If u see someone doing someting wrong in Islam u arent allowed to just say this isnt any of my bussiness, what will happen to the world if everyone did this? And what will hapen to the world if everyone followed this forbidding wrong and asking ppl to do good. Anyway eatig the wife isnt an obligation in Islam. It would be better if he didnt. Mohammed peace be upon him never ever did.


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Does forgiveness hinge on saying an extra prayer or on repentance of sin? Do you mean ALL sins are automatically forgiven even ones a person might not have yet asked forgivness for, just because he said an extra prayer? What if he did not feel repentant or regretted that sin, will it still be forgiven? My muslim friend told me that by fasting one extra day - I think Ashoura- all sins are forgiven for a whole year. Is that a common belief ? Can one be granted automatic absolution of sin by one extra prayer or one extra day of fasting?
For the first part, no only the small sins. In Islam sins are divided in two, small and big.The small ones are. As for if that person didnt feel repentant , well you see in Islam were judged by our intention. Why would a person pray if he didnt feel repentant? I cant give u a detailed answer since im not a scholar but I think they are forgiven as long as he prayed and this is from God's mercy ad God know best.

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Last question, what is your take on polygamy in Islam when the same verse that allows it pending a condition "if you will be just/fair" also ends with " and you will not be fair"? Different muslim friends have different views on that, what in your opinion is the correct interpretation?


I cant remember the verse number at this moment but I am sure that it doesnt end with but you will not be fair.
My interpretation is that of the scholars, you have to be fair if u werent u might go to hell for that. This is why the more relegious a Muslim is the greater the chance is he doesnt want to marry more then one. So my take is it is allowed but you barely find a Muslim who knows his relegion and wants to do this. Polygamy has to happen at some point, because woman on earth are more then man as statistics have show so it has to happen at some point but you barely find a Musim who wants this.

plz, if my answers arent any good visit www.chatislam.com on weekends ull find scholars their and theyll gladely answer u and give u much better answers than me bro

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is it thru that atlantis mentioned in the koran?


Im sorry whats atlantis?



aztek
this was posted here on um, is it true?
It is mentioned in the Quran. The great flood. Allah caused it by an axis tilt in the aerth, to punish the Atlantean people because they were so wise yet so foolish. They didnt believe in Allah.
muslim
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this was posted here on um, is it true?
It is mentioned in the Quran. The great flood. Allah caused it by an axis tilt in the aerth, to punish the Atlantean people because they were so wise yet so foolish. They didnt believe in Allah.


All u said is true but im not sure abot the part of the axis though.
sbradj
im sry i still dont understand...why do you add mohammed in the verbal contract.?..if god is one..no other beside him why includ mohammed?
i also noticed moses abraham in other parts of your post..how do you includ these men into your religion.? i guess what im asking is of what importance to islam?
EmpressStarXVII
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All u said is true but im not sure abot the part of the axis though.


If that is true, how does that make Allah Merciful? Wouldn't they suffer the same fate if they were allowed to live until they die, or punished by Allah?
zimbob
Is the Islamic Faith fun?

Religion seem to have stipulations advising that terrible things will happen to me if I imbibe alcohol or use contraception or have sex before marriage, some religions arrange marriages and elective genital surgery to both men and woman is undertaken in the name of that religion, none of this sounds like fun.

My favourite day is Sunday, I have a long lie in and intimate cuddles with my Girlfriend wub.gif I then get up around Twelve as I didn’t go to church and have a Beer and J for breakfast, I will probably crash in my pants in front of the TV watching an old WWII movie and eventually order Pizza with dead pig on it for dinner and then maybe a bath and an early night with the missus blush.gif

My day is fun and I still get on well with the neighbours/people I meet, for what its worth I am not an Atheist and I do believe in God.
muslim
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im sry i still dont understand...why do you add mohammed in the verbal contract.?..if god is one..no other beside him why includ mohammed?
i also noticed moses abraham in other parts of your post..how do you includ these men into your religion.? i guess what im asking is of what importance to islam?
As I said before Isalm believes in all the prophets since Adam till Mohammed. We believe in Noah in Moses in Abraham in Jesus in all the prophets. As for why is Mohammed included in the verbal contract its because by testifying that Mohammed is God's messenger you are testifying that all the prophets before Mohammed were prophets since this is the message of Islam, believe in all the prophets. So the belief of the prophets has to also be part of the decleration of faith since they were sent by God to you. So you have to believe in God and His messengers. As to why do we say Mohammed not anyone else, as I said, because if u believe in Mohammed you have to believe in the rest. But if you believe in Moses for example that could exclude Jesus Christ and Mohammed peace be upon them. Get it original.gif? Also, who preached God is one? The messengers of course. So u have to believe in them too.

In Islam we believe in all the messengers. We believe that what they all preached was Islam. Moses peace be upon him never said that hes preaching a religion called Judaism. And Jesus peace be upon him neve said im preaching a religion called Christianity. They all said one thing, submit to God. This is what Islam means, to sumbit to God (alone). So we believe they all preached Islam, just in different forms and the final form of Islam is what we have today.


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If that is true, how does that make Allah Merciful? Wouldn't they suffer the same fate if they were allowed to live until they die, or punished by Allah?


Allah praise be to Him in Islam is very mercifull. He forgives all sins and is more compassionat to His believer then a mother is to her child. He is also just so whatever He does it is out of justice it is out of what these people earned. The people Noah preached to were preached to for almost one thousand years and they kept on disbelieving and mocking Noah and mocking God far exalted is He above what they said. So this is what they earned. He gives you a chance to believe, He gives you chances to believe and He also gives you time, but He does not forget. You see, if you ditch school, and you ditch a test or an exam, and your teacher being the kind teacher that he is tells you okay come tomorow ill give you a retest. You tell him great thanks. The next day you ditch him again. So he gives you another chance and says come tomorow ill give you a retest and you ditch him again. For the entire year every day he's telling you come and ill give u the retest and you keep on ditching and rejecting him. By the end of the year, who do you have to blaim when he gives you an F? You have to blaim yourself of course. He even should have got you expelled from school. This is what Allah does to people. He gives them time to believe, to see His signs for themselves and see how rational this is that He is one and wants them to believe in Him yet see how many disbelieve in this. Above that He also sent us messengers. Above that He even showed us scientific miracles (in the Quran) so who can we blaim in the end? Ourselves and nothing but ourselves. Even above that, Allahs mercy on judgment day will be so much and will reach everyone that it will almost reach Satan himself! This is how mercifull He is. What does He want us to do? Simply believe in Him, worship Him, be good people, do good deeds, give money to the poor and have a happy healthy life. But many of us and this includes me at times too are so caught up in our own lives that we tend to forget who gave us this life, are so caught up in our own selves that we tend to be so self centered that we forget who created our selves yet we find Him patient and waiting for us. Does anyone come to his senses? Some do. Some dont. Those who dont, let them not blaim but themselves.
muslim
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Is the Islamic Faith fun?

Religion seem to have stipulations advising that terrible things will happen to me if I imbibe alcohol or use contraception or have sex before marriage, some religions arrange marriages and elective genital surgery to both men and woman is undertaken in the name of that religion, none of this sounds like fun.

My favourite day is Sunday, I have a long lie in and intimate cuddles with my Girlfriend I then get up around Twelve as I didn’t go to church and have a Beer and J for breakfast, I will probably crash in my pants in front of the TV watching an old WWII movie and eventually order Pizza with dead pig on it for dinner and then maybe a bath and an early night with the missus

My day is fun and I still get on well with the neighbours/people I meet, for what its worth I am not an Atheist and I do believe in God.


Islam says live a happy life by all means but within the exepted bounadaries and rules. Even if you joke in Islam it is considered an act of charity i.e your sins are forgiven for that. Smiling is also an act of charity. So yes Islam is fun but it also gives your life a purpose, a high moral goal to achieve instead of sitting on your couch 24-7 so that when you're 70 or 80 and are on your death bead and look back, you can actually smile and say I actually did something for my society and for the world not for the sake of fame or money but for the sake of God and I know Im going to be rewarded for this. Give and take for God's sake is what its about in Islam. Live and die for God's sake too. Islam wants you to wake up that you arent here just to eat and sleep and order pizza, these things are things you do in this life, they arent the reason you were put in this world and given this life. They are things on the sidelines, not what your life should revolve around. Have fun as much as you want in Islam but also worship God, and dont transgress the boundaries. Being happy is knowing that God is hapy with you. Whats the use of living happy knowing God is mad at you and that you're not doing what He wants u to do? No use.

As Mohammed said : “The best of people are those who live longest and excel in their deeds, whereas the worst of people are those who live longest and corrupt their deeds.”
sbradj
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As I said before Isalm believes in all the prophets since Adam till Mohammed. We believe in Noah in Moses in Abraham in Jesus in all the prophets. As for why is Mohammed included in the verbal contract its because by testifying that Mohammed is God's messenger you are testifying that all the prophets before Mohammed were prophets since this is the message of Islam, believe in all the prophets.

so your saying that the message of islam teaches that jesus was just another proophet which is completly opposite from what jesus's teachings were. correct?
seems to me this islam relgion is one of the adversaires delousions to looral ppl away from the truth..because jesus said that nobody will come to the father except through him..jesus is the door..any that comes anyother way is as a theif or a robber.
also how can one beleive in adam moses abraham..who offered up sacrifieces..but yet not except the ultimate sacrifice..for all of these had to offer up a sin sacrifice unto god..but islam does not except god givin himself a living sacrifice ..therefore islam has no sacrifice for sins..which goes back to my very first question.......does islam have salvation...no it does not it has a vocla contract which is a contraction to gods word.
muslim
This is a documentary about some of the scientific miracles in the Quran:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpGs2SiBPCA
muslim
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so your saying that the message of islam teaches that jesus was just another proophet which is completly opposite from what jesus's teachings were. correct?
He was a prophet my friend.

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seems to me this islam relgion is one of the adversaires delousions to looral ppl away from the truth..because jesus said that nobody will come to the father except through him..jesus is the door..any that comes anyother way is as a theif or a robber.


This is true. No one comes to the metaphorical father (God) exept through Jesus (his prophet)! How can you come to God if you dont follow his messengers? This is what Jesus was talking about.

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also how can one beleive in adam moses abraham..who offered up sacrifieces..but yet not except the ultimate sacrifice..for all of these had to offer up a sin sacrifice unto god..but islam does not except god givin himself a living sacrifice ..therefore islam has no sacrifice for sins..which goes back to my very first question.......does islam have salvation...no it does not it has a vocla contract which is a contraction to gods word.


Salvation in Islam isnt based on the killing and buchering of an innocent Jesus Christ peace be upon him. We believe God saved Jesus from the crusifixion because we believe Jesus didnt have to die for anyones sins because we dont believe sin is inherited. Salvation in Islam isnt by exepting someone died for you. As the Bible says:

"The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son (the progeny of Adam) shall not bear the iniquity of the father (Adam), neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die." Ezekiel 18:20-21

(emphasis is mine) This is what we say is salvation in Islam. Do good, youll live. We give sacrifices in Islam by feeding the poor.

I dont wish to turn this into a debate. We believe since God is Mercifull He answered Jesus's prayers and saved him. You see the crusifixion itself can be debated and some can say that he never even died from the Bible itself and many debates have been done over this.I ddont wish to turn this into a debate just keep in mind many have debated this, it isnt a FACT because both sides have an argument. Go on youtube and search for crusifixion debate Jesus and watch. Here ill help you with one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41mi4-nLDzc
zimbob
Hi

I appreciate the prompt response and the quote is very good
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“The best of people are those who live longest and excel in their deeds, whereas the worst of people are those who live longest and corrupt their deeds.”


I agree and share your views that apathy and taking our surroundings/environment for granted and not putting anything back into society are things that every human on the face of this planet should make there civic and moral responsibility, I am also pleased that the Islamic Faith has a healthy and kind sense of humour, I thank you for answering my question original.gif

As for living a long time I can’t make any promises but I will try, you can evaluate whether my intentions are heartfelt as I would be bias and not see any wrong in me chilling on the Sofa on a Sunday afternoon.
sbradj
i am not debating..just answering my own question through your replys..also i do not watch TV therefore i do not watch other videos either. i just dont understand how you can beleive in adam.moses noah abraham....who butchered and also killed innocent animals but yet not have a sacrifice for yourself...this is my question ..what happened between them and mohammed...why no more innocent shedding of blood for your sins...which was done in their time...what was the change what took that the place of these sacrifices? ...as i said i am not debating you i am questioning your relgion...since this is an Ask the muslin thread..why do you pray prayers that are nothing more than saying mohammed is gods messanger? why is he always so important in everything that islam does? why is mohammed the center point? yes i understand from what you are saying that he was the last prophet from your Allah..but does that really mean anything? what does islam teach of Jesus? since you say he was a Prophet...what does it teach? does it teach Jesus said no one will enter into the kingdom of heaven unless they are born again of the water and of the spirti? does it teach that Jesus told Peter that upon this rock i shall build my (church) and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it? or does it teach that mohammed told ...etc...? this rock representing a solid foundation seems to me to say it will not need to be replaced by a mohammeds relgion...just a mental block there..makes it hard to accept something such as everything revolving around mohammed..Jesus told peter that he would give him the keys to the kingdom of heaven later written in the bible peters message was to repent and to be baptized in Jesus name and you shall be filled with the holy ghost..this is the plan of salvation the keys to heaven..how can you claim jesus as one of your prophets when you dont beleive in any of his teachings/words/direction/orders/commands/...how does jesus fit into the islam relgion?
muslim
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I agree and share your views that apathy and taking our surroundings/environment for granted and not putting anything back into society are things that every human on the face of this planet should make there civic and moral responsibility, I am also pleased that the Islamic Faith has a healthy and kind sense of humour, I thank you for answering my question

As for living a long time I can’t make any promises but I will try, you can evaluate whether my intentions are heartfelt as I would be bias and not see any wrong in me chilling on the Sofa on a Sunday afternoon.
original.gif We have a saying in arabic which is "an hour for your heart and an hour for your God". So you have to balance it out. And I direct this advise to myself before I direct it to you. Give God a chance my friend, by God, you and I both know He's givven us millions of chances, we screw up every day and sin every day. Go to your nearest mosuqe, get a free Quran and read it, see whats with this Islam which is the fastest growing religion on earth today. Remember, this life, 70 - 80 years is nothing compared to eternity, either in hell or in heaven.


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i am not debating..just answering my own question through your replys..also i do not watch TV therefore i do not watch other videos either. i just dont understand how you can beleive in adam.moses noah abraham....who butchered and also killed innocent animals but yet not have a sacrifice for yourself...this is my question ..what happened between them and mohammed...why no more innocent shedding of blood for your sins...which was done in their time...what was the change what took that the place of these sacrifices? ...as i said i am not debating you i am questioning your relgion...since this is an Ask the muslin thread..


We also sacrifice animals, mostly sheeps and give the food out to the poor people once every year, this is done in remembrance of when Abrahim peace be upon him was going to sacrifice his son.

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why do you pray prayers that are nothing more than saying mohammed is gods messanger?
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This is not true my friend. Our prayers are bowing down to God, reading the Quran, and praying to God. Saying Mohammed is God's messenger is just in the decleration of faith because if you believe in Mohammed you believe in the rest of the prophets.

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why is he always so important in everything that islam does? why is mohammed the center point? yes i understand from what you are saying that he was the last prophet from your Allah..but does that really mean anything?
Mohammed is in Islam almost as the same way Jesus is to Christianity exept that he's not a God. He is the center point because he is our role model he is our teacher.

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what does islam teach of Jesus? since you say he was a Prophet...what does it teach? does it teach Jesus said no one will enter into the kingdom of heaven unless they are born again of the water and of the spirti? does it teach that Jesus told Peter that upon this rock i shall build my (church) and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it? or does it teach that mohammed told ...etc...? this rock representing a solid foundation seems to me to say it will not need to be replaced by a mohammeds relgion...just a mental block there..makes it hard to accept something such as everything revolving around mohammed..Jesus told peter that he would give him the keys to the kingdom of heaven later written in the bible peters message was to repent and to be baptized in Jesus name and you shall be filled with the holy ghost..this is the plan of salvation the keys to heaven..how can you claim jesus as one of your prophets when you dont beleive in any of his teachings/words/direction/orders/commands/...how does jesus fit into the islam relgion?


My friend. I dont know how to say this without offending you but, Muslims do not believe in the Bible we have today to be the word of God. We believe in the Bible which was revealed yes, but not the Bible we have today. You have to know that even according to Christian scholars it is not one hundred percent sure that the disciples were the ones who wrote the Gospels. I dont want to say more because I dont want to make u mad. Purchase this movie, and see for yourself how many things are kept in the dark from you on purpose, after u watch it ull understand my point God willing:

http://store.aetv.com/html/search/searchin...equestid=425844
sbradj
no worries no offence will be taken..just answer the best you can without suggesting a movie.video. or anyother web aid..im just curious on how you call jesus a phopet and how you view/accept/teach of him.
muslim
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im just curious on how you call jesus a phopet and how you view/accept/teach of him.


We teach that he was the Messiah peace be upon him, the Christ. This is what Islam believes. And Jesus Christ peace be upom him said He who confesseth that Jesus is the Christ is of God. We teach that he was sent by God to the Jews. We also teach that he was born miraculously without any male intervention. We believe he was one of the closest people to God because he was very rightouse and a very good man. We do not however believe he was God or the son of God. Keep in mind many of the early Christians also believed this and this only.

The Quran says:

Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute. (003.055)

Also:

That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;- (004.157)

Also:

He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;

"And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live;

"(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable;

"So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"!

Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute.

It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is.

Verily Allah is my Lord and your Lord: Him therefore serve ye: this is a Way that is straight.

But the sects differ among themselves: and woe to the unbelievers because of the (coming) Judgment of a Momentous Day!


(19.30-37)

We believe this is what Jesus preached. Pure monotheism. He preached that you surrender to God. We believe he will come back at some point to fight the anti Christ and unite the Muslims Christians and Jews under Islam and that he will rule the world for some years.
seanph
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This is a documentary about some of the scientific miracles in the Quran:


Science and History in the Quran
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/qura...ience/long.html

Qur'an and Science
http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Science/index.htm

Are you going to address my questions in the other thread you posted, Muslim?

Sean
muslim
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Are you going to address my questions in the other thread you posted, Muslim?


I never read them :S If u can, post them here or just tell me where are they?

seanph
I provided two links. There for the reading. And I'm still waiting for an answer to your other thread on contradictions.

Kindly,

Sean
muslim
Which other thread on contradictions :S I see two links only.
seanph
Muslim, click on the thread and read. It's quite easy.

Sean
seanph
Sorry, Muslim. I see what you're talking about ... I meant your thread "Sincere Question to Christians". I reposted my question on page 10.

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...7424&st=135

Sean
muslim
here ull find rebbutals to all exept for some points at the skeptic site which arent even worthy of answering such as:

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Homosexual acts are condemned as unnatural. (Will ye commit abomination such as no creature ever did before you?) But, in fact, such acts are common in many other species.
It is against YOUR nature meaning you the man who were created a man and you the woman who were created a woman. Your nature is to be what you were created this is common sence.

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Crucifixion is a Roman punishment, unknown in Egypt at the time this story supposedly occurred


It is unrational to assume that the Egyptians didnt have the brains to think of crusifixion.

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Joseph saw in a dream eleven planets. Does this mean that according to the Quran there are eleven planets in our solar system?
They answered there own question. The Quran never said there are eleven planets in our solar system it said he saw eleven planets.

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Most scholars consider Dhu'l-Qarneyn ("The Two-Horned Lord") to be Alexander the Great, who is here presented as a devout Muslim


The Quran never says this is Alexander the Great. The guy who translated the Quran in his commentatory Yusuf Ali said that this is Alexander the Great, he said this, not the Quran. The guy made a mistake you blaim it on the Quran, this is irrational.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/it-i...ernScience.html
http://www.answering-christianity.com/sci_quran.htm

seanph
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It is against YOUR nature meaning you the man who were created a man and you the woman who were created a woman. Your nature is to be what you were created this is common sence.


I'll go with this one first ... Explain a hermaphrodite?
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