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I guess it varys. Generally it is frowned upon. I dont really think of this because Islam has the least number of ppl who leave it so this barely hapens so I cant tell you what the reaction would be like. Personally, honestly, I wouldnt talk to that person anymore. I know this is wrong according to the western mindset I guess, but lol its just me. I believe there is no reason to leave Islam and substiture it with another relegion. I mean no disrespect to other relegions, every religion on earth has good to it, many dont have evil too dont get me wrong. But I believe Islam is the most complete one and rational one. And any person who studies Islam will come to that conclusion. If one leaves Islam, in the end its his or her choice, but I wouldnt like what they did because there is no reason to do such a thing. (this is only my opinion and I know im considered wrong to many of you but I think it would be better if we speak honestly, why should I lie to you here on these fan forums and deep in my heart believe something else? If I hide something which I believe is the truth, how can I consider it the truth after I hide it).

Thank you for the insight Muslim, about conversions.

no thank you

Would a christian be welcome to preach and teach his faith in a muslim governed country such as saudi arabia?
Or kuwait ? I know Pakistan has a large christian population .

No he wouldnt. He would be welcome to live with us, but not preach. I gues sit could be viewed in a way that we already believe in who you believe in, Jesus Christ peace be opon him so why would a preacher even want to preach to Muslims I think it would be better for the preacher to preach to those who dont believe in Jesus in the first place.

OK so you said you belive in Devine Justice!

Devine Justice characterization is that no crime or wrong doing will go unpunished. Within Devine Justice there is no room for being absolved or forgiven if convicted and guilty of the crime. A crime is a crime period and worthy of punishment, the punishment for crime/sin is death.
That being said, In Islam Allah allows a balance of justice and forgiveness, a criminal is forgiven and escapes punishment by doing equally good deeds after the fact so as to attain that forgiveness.
How does that equate in your own mind to Devine Justice? I mean if there is a crime committed, who receives (pays the price of the law) the punishment for it. Or is the law brushed aside and ignored?

Irish

Keep in mind Im not a scholar so dont take my word for everything, just consider it me trying to just give you a general idea.
Ill try and explain as clearly as possible. But keep in mind, my answer lacks much since Islamic law and so on isnt my field. You see, in Islam, no one can enter heaven if he or she has even one single thing. You cant. You have to be cleared of sin in one way or another. If you sin such as commit adultry for example, the penalty would have to be inforced on you, i.e death, if you penalized, your sin is forgiven, its as if you havent commited this sin since you payed for it through the punishment. But if you do not get punished for this, then you are subject to punishment on judgment day. However, as stated previously God can either forgive you or punish you. Justice is that injustice wouldnt be done to the person you have commited the crime against, who you killed, who you stole from, etc. If you are forgiven, that person gets a reward, a higher reward. If you arent forgiven, if you are punished, he also gets a reward for what you did against him. You dont have to punish someone in order for justice to be done. Justice can be done through rewarding those who the crime was done against for what they endured, and forgiving the person who sined. You see, in Islam we believe that on judgment day those who have had disputes here in this life will stand in front of God. God will judge between them. And he who was opressed will be asked if he wishes to forgive that person and he will be told that if you forgive him you will be rewarded greatly in heaven for doing so. If you do not wish to forgive him for what he's done to you, than he will be punished and youll be judged by your other deeds i.e you wont get the reward for forgiving him but you could be of course rewarded for your other deeds.
I don know if my answer was clear for you. If it makes a huge difference to you, go to www.chatislam.com most the time ull find American Muslim scholars there and theyll give u a good answer God willing. If u dont find scholars their, on weekeneds for sure God willing there will be.

From what I can gather from what you are saying is that within Islam there are gradients of sin, some worst than others. By this reasoning if you commit a crime against another and they take revenge then both are forgiven. One balances out the other in Allah’s eyes.
If you are a murderer but the family of the deceased is well compensated by you or you are murdered yourself then the slate is wiped clean?

Irish

So what are your thoughts about the extremist Muslims? Why are their actions not being rallied against by "peaceful" Muslims??? Or is this too an offensive question for the moderators?

I dont think I understood you completely so forgive my not so somplete answer. If you dont get my answer then Ill try to explain more ok? The first part is right. That within Islam there are gradients of sin meaning some sins are worse than others. For example of you kill someone that is of the worst sins i.e the greatest level of sins they are what we call in Arabic "Al Kaba'ir" meaning "the big ones". And then you have normal sins which we almost all do involentarely day to day. When you get out in the street and someone almost crashes in your car or so on and you shout at him or say between yourself hes stupid or something like that. So you have big sins, killing, also being a false witness, drinking intoxicants, adultry, slandering someones origin (saying he comes from the tribe of so and so mine is better. Or hes African Im American Im better and so on) and several others.

You said "if you commit a crime against another and they take revenge then both are forgiven". I dont understand what you mean exactly. But of course you're not allowed to take revenge for yourself, if someone kills your friend you cant just go and kill them you have to go to the authorities.
Murdering yourself i.e suicide isnt allowed under any conditions be it suicide bombings or you putting a bullet to your head out of depression.

On judgment day, we believe that, as I said every group of people who had problems or anything like that will be judged, meaning that God judge who was right and who was wrong. If a person slanders you in this life and you dont slander him back come judgment day you will take from his good deeds since he slandered you. Or, if he has no good deeds he will take from your bad deeds. That doesnt mean that God wont forgive him, it just means that you will either take his good deeds or he will take your bad deeds and they will be in his slaight. After everyone has been judged, one by one every person, you, me, every single person, will enter a place and he will be one on one alone with God. His deeds, the good ones and the bad ones will be put on a (I cant remeber the word for it. You know the thing which you balance out things with?) His good deeds will be put on one side and his bad ones will be put on another side. If his good deeds are more than he will enter heaven. His bad deeds will either be forgiven and the person he did those bad deeds against be rewarded or the person who had the bad deeds done against will not want to be rewarded but will ask that that person will be punished. If so, God will show him a very nice place in paradise and he will say my God to whom is this place ? To which prophet is it! And God will tell him this for you if you forgive your brother. Most likely he will forgive his brother because the place he will see is astonishing the very least so he wouldnt care about the man who had done bad against him to be punished. In that way, the bad doer will be forgiven and the guy who had the bad thing dont to him will also get his right and justice by being awarded. If someone doesnt want to forgive someone (this barely will happen) then the bad doer will be punished only for a certain period of time until he has been cleaned of this sin and then he will enter heaven.

You see judgment day itself, without us being punished for our sins, is very hard. Every single person every single son and daughter of Adam will be standing on a huge wight land, all of us, and we would all wait until we will be called so we will go and be judged. And we will be thirsty and hungry and the heat will be tormenting us. So the waiting itself until you get judged is torment so in that itself also justice is being done. To the bad doers, the more bad deeds you have done, the more the waiting will seem like a long time. To some, it will seem as if he's waiting 50,000 years. To others it will only seem as if theyve just prayed (the two raka prayer) and finished. The two raka prayer is the shortest prayer for the Muslims its the one in dawn.

To give you the details of judgment day and how we will be judged according to the Muslims id have to summarize hundreds of pages. But there are books which are strictly dedicated to this matter. How you will be judged. What will happen to you in the grave. How does your soul depart from your body. Almost every single detail.

This is a chapter from the Quran called al Qiyama (the rising of the dead or the Ressurection) its chapter 75:

In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful.

Nay, I swear by the Day of Resurrection;
Nay, I swear by the accusing soul (that this Scripture is true).
Thinketh man that We shall not assemble his bones?
Nay, We are able to put together in perfect order the very tips of his fingers.
But man wishes to do wrong (even) in the time in front of him.
He asketh: When will be this Day of Resurrection?
At length, when the sight is dazed,
And the moon is buried in darkness.
And the sun and moon are joined together,-
On that day man will cry: Whither to flee!
Alas! No refuge!
Before thy Lord (alone), that Day will be the place of rest.
That Day will Man be told (all) that he put forward, and all that he put back.
Nay, man will be evidence against himself,
Even though he were to put up his excuses.
Move not thy tongue concerning the (Qur'an) to make haste therewith.
It is for Us to collect it and to promulgate it:
But when We have promulgated it, follow thou its recital (as promulgated):
Nay more, it is for Us to explain it (and make it clear):
Nay, (ye men!) but ye love the fleeting life,
And neglect the Hereafter.
Some faces, that Day, will beam (in brightness and beauty);-
Looking towards their Lord;
And some faces, that Day, will be sad and dismal,
In the thought that some back-breaking calamity was about to be inflicted on them;
Yea, when (the soul) reaches to the collar-bone (in its exit),
And there will be a cry, "Who is a magician (to restore him)?"
And he knoweth that it is the parting;
And agony is heaped on agony;
Unto thy Lord that day will be the driving.
So he gave nothing in charity, nor did he pray!-
But on the contrary, he rejected Truth and turned away!
Then did he stalk to his family in full conceit!
Woe to thee, (O men!), yea, woe!
Again, Woe to thee, (O men!), yea, woe!
Does man think that he will be left uncontrolled, (without purpose)?
Was he not a drop of sperm emitted (in lowly form)?
Then did he become a leech-like clot; then did (Allah) make and fashion (him) in due proportion.
And of him He made two sexes, male and female.
Has not He, (the same), the power to give life to the dead?

note: we and ur are plurals of respect

They arent even Muslims.




They are 24-7 but unfortanetly this isnt reported in the media ! After 9-11 the US embassy in Kuwait was flooded and bombarded with flowers and roses. Did the media report that? No. The highest Muslim clearics have said killing innocent people is never allowed in Islam. All the highest scholars have said, be them in Saudia Arabia or in Egypt that this is not allowed in Islam that this has nothing to do with Islam that killing innocent woman and children and civilians are not from Islam. Our prophet said do not kill woman do not kill children do not kill innocent civilians how on earth could the actions of terrorists be justified Islamicly? They arent.
Listen to what Abu bakr (the first Muslim ruler after Mohammed peace be upon him) said to the leader of the Muslim army:

“Do not betray or be treacherous or vindictive. Do not mutilate. Do not kill the children, the aged or the women. Do not cut or bum palm trees or fruitful trees. Don’t slay a sheep, a cow or camel except for your food. And you will come across people who confined themselves to worship in hermitages, leave them alone to what they devoted themselves for.”

for more please on Islam and war please see: http://members.tripod.com/maseeh1/advices7/id226.htm



No bro its ok Im not offended you have a right to ask and know. They are what they are called, terrorists, not Muslims. They are trying to twist and turn the religion upside down for their own poltical goals. This isnt allowed. i

What does the Quran say about animals? Do Muslims see them as having souls? Why are some animal seen as unclean?

sounds like a Great Religion but does it have Salvation?
if so whats the Plan?

Darkwind

As a christian i too beleave some animals are unclean . Why? because God said so .
he never said why .

I can guess . Is it about health ? maybe not My grandmother lived to be 103 she was never in hospital till she died and she ate lots of shellfish . she ate lobsters reguarly and scallops . I think she ate pork and bacon often.

so maybe its not a health thing .

As a fishing captain i think its maybe about the health of the earth . As catching shellfish i think is distroying our oceans . scrapping the bottom is distroying the ecosystem of the ocean .even lobstering is not harmless as leaveing the traps baited is making huge numbers of Hagfish which i figgure is the worst preditor in the ocean for clean fish .

As far as pigs i can only guess . it seems funny why Christ cast demons in pigs at one point and why we was not to even touch their dead carcass .

Could it be a way to get spiritually sick . I'm only guessing . But could a demonic spirit come from a pig

it just seems funny why their is a story about demons wanting to enter swine in the bible .


Alot of diseases and famines of the future might be the result of this disobedience.

maybe alot of what we consider mental illness comes from just eating the wrong foods just guessing .

First, Muslims dont only have the Quran they also have something called The Hadith which is basically the sayings of Mohammed peace be upon him written down, his actions and so on. The Quran on the other hand is Gods word not Mohammeds i.e meaning that the Quran wasnt authored by Mohammed it was a verbal revelation words were literally put in his mouth. Mostly the hadiths (Mohammeds sayings) speak of animals not the Quran.
They are to be treated kindly and with mercy. You see the Quran says:
"We have not sent thee (Mohammed) save as a mercy to the worlds" (21. 107)
Mohammed was ordered to show mercy on every living being and this is what he ordered us to do. As he said:

"If anyone kills even a sparrow, let alone anything greater, he will face Allah's interrogation (on judgment day)" (Sahih Bukhari).

He also prohobited the beatings of animals on the faces and said:
"Have you not heard that I have cursed anyone who brands an animal on its face or who hits it on its face?" (Sahih Bukhari)

He also ordered that when we kill an animal we do so in the fastest way to not torture it:

"Allah (which is the Arabic word for God) calls for mercy in everything, so be mercifull when you kill and when you slaughter, sharpen your blade to relieve its (the animals) pain". (sahih bukhari)

Also, once while he and his companions were traveling:

"They found a bird (his companions) with its young ones and took them from their mother. The mother came and started flapping its wings, so the Prophet Mohammed asked "who has distressed this bird by taking its young? Return them to it at once!" (sahih Bukhari)

Also, once, he was with his companions at war (he only used to fight a war if he had to, if it was in self defence or in order to aid someone persecuted) and while he was sitting he heard a dog barking. So when he asked whats with it they told him that it was afraid of the army so it was circling its children and barking at the army. Keep in mind he was with thousands. He immediately stood up and ordered the army to change its position! (Sahih Bukhari)

He also once said that a man once was so thirsty and when he was about to drink he found a thirsty dog next to him. So he gave water to the dog before he drank. God forgave him his sins for this act and entered heaven. He also said that once a lady captured a cat, and she wouldnt let it go she wouldnt feed it or even let it try to eat food, she just left it to die of hunger. She entered hell because of this.

So we have to be kind to every living being be it humans or animals



Of course all living beings have souls and should be treated with mercy

We arent allowed to eat pork because pigs are unclean since they exclude and eat what the excluded. Dogs are also seen as unclean.

Most of the stories and sayings I wrote here were taken from:
http://www.islamonline.net/English/Living_...rchive_01.shtml

so if you want more visit that site

He said:

“Allah will show mercy to those who show mercy to people. Show mercy to those who are on the earth, the One who is in the Heaven will show mercy to you.”

So in short, we ave to be kind to all.




Of course it does. The plan is that God sent us messengers to show us whats right and show us whats wrong. We have a brain to think with and make our own decisions. Islamic salvation is based on your deeds, your acts, who you are as a person. You have to do that which is obligatory in Islam i.e pray give charity fast during the month of Ramadhan. You do good, you enter heaven God willing. You do bad, you repent to God sincerely He forgives you. You dont repent, He can either forgive you or punish you and He is Mercifull.

Thanks Muslim

Anytime

Muslims have no problem with eating rabbits? Shellfish? Camels? all these was commanded not to be eaten same time as pigs .

What do you Suspect man added these extra animals not to be eaten ?

God says in the Quran that He sent the Quran and His messenger Mohammed as a mercy to you i.e Jews, Christians and the world. To clear things of which they were unsure about and to make lawfull to them some things which were unlawfull previosly as a mercy from God to them (Jews and Christians). You dont have to beieve this to be true, but this is the answer, that out of mercy God made some things lawfull to Jews and Christians and sent the Quran and Mohammed to guide them more and explain to them that which they disputed in

Nobody is disputing if Gods laws said not to eat these other animals . We all know they Did .

Modern Christians beleave they are now free to break laws . Jews still keep it .

Muslims just ignor alot of these laws for no reason . then claim they submit to Gods will .


Sure its not muhameds will ?

I hope what you say is true. I really do, but it seems they are running the show.

My dear friend you know the answer to that. Just because the Bible says something and the Quran says something else doesnt make the Bible right and the Quran wrong and the opposite is true. Muslims follow the Quran not the Bible. We dont ignore these laws because we dont follow the book theyre in in the first place.



They arent running anything dont worry. If they were running anything dont u think at least they would have had a country? They dont even have a country. They are on the run from all Muslim countries and the Muslims. Mosques almost everywhere have been denoucing these acts and showing the Muslims that this isnt allowed in Islam. It is not allowed by no means to kill an innocent person. Even in Saudia Arabia many of the terrorists who were prisoned now have changed their views. They were showed by Muslim scholars that what theyre doing is wrong and now have stoped. The media exagerates the terrorists role in the middle east because the US is at war so they have to spread propaganda. Make Americans feel as if theyre in danger to inlist in the army and so on. Did you know that during the crusades it was said that Arab woman eat their children! And this was said in parlaments and churches! At a time of war hate comes to the surface and it becomes the gas which fuels peoples hearts, and hate blinds people to think rationally and say "ok wait. If all Muslims are terrorists. And all Muslims want to do is kill us. Why dont I read their book, the Quran and see for myself what they believe in?" Know your enemy right? So I urge everyone read the Quran and see for yourselves what it says. Theres no orders to kill innocent people or anything like that. Theres orders to fight in self defence. Othe rthan that its a wonderful book with a message of ethics and morals and forgiveness and the rest is mostly the description of heaven, and hell, and stories of the prophets. So just think it over rationaly. Islam is supposed 2 be a religion of terror. Yet its the fastest growing religion in the world including the United states! What does that mean? It means people are reading the Quran for themeselves and coming to know that look these terrorists have nothing to do with Islam and are changing the teachings of Islam to fit their political agenda. You read the Quran for yourself and see. Youll be shocked.

Is it a requirement to memorize the entire Qu'ran, or is it something that muslims are just supposed to try and achieve?

If dogs are unclean animals, are you not allowed to have them as pets?

It's called free speech, bud.

KGS

Maybe this is politics and maybe i should not ask it .

Don't you think the leader of Iran beleaves its his muslim duty to take the Jews out of Jerusalem and maybe the land we know as Isreal ? are not the religions of this world inclueding Islam , christianity and jewdism going to someday bring this world to major war over the land in the middle east ?

Are we in a no win situation ? which can only be solved with God stopping it ? Is it only a matter of time before this world breaks into action over Jerusalem ?

What would happen if the jews decide the doom of the rock got to go to maKE WAY FOR A TEMPLE?

Didn't Islam kind of build their holy Sites right where the jews want to build theirs .




I feel that way as a christian ,do you ever feel that way as a muslim?

I really hope this thread doesn't get closed because of any bickering. Q&A is a great learning tool.

Hate to be the one to burst your bubble (Bud) but freedom of speech is just an expression. If you pay for all the bandwidth then you are entitled to say what you like. If not then you are a welcome guest in this home. So abide by the rules and you won’t be shown the door.
Go back to where you agreed to the rules and note:
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Irish

if you have a brain to think with and Make Our Own Decisions...why ya need messengers to show whats right and wrong.
so you can do bad and theres still possibility to enter into the kingdom of heaven without repentence.? repentence is not necessary? i mean you say god may still let you in, right?

I feel the spiny tectacle of self-imposed martyrdom taking place here.

You have to at least memorize two suras (chapters) so that you can read them in your prayers. Some chapters are very short like a couple of sentences so no worries. It is not a requierment to memorize the entire Quran but many many Muslims do it because as I said salvation in Islam is by your deeds. Every letter in the Quran is worth 10 deeds. So they love to read on. And if they memorize it their reward is greater. Many love to memorize it because of its charming words and beauty. Personally I like listening to it being recited its very calming and by doing so I naturally start memorizing it.

Here are some beatiful recitations with subtitles :
note: "We" in the Quran is a plural of respect. Muslims do not believe in the trinity. They believe God is One who has no partners or equals. No offence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rusgg0T-psc...ted&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlNq2WURzWs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0z_X26qxcU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byC_rnFx29A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crGCZkXrntQ

This has no subtitles but listen to it, its short 2 minutes recited by an 11 year old boy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsj9GPd5YTg...ted&search=

This is what he's reading:
In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful.

Ya Seen. (These are Arabic letters. No one knows the meaning of this only on judgment day will we know)

By the Qur'an, full of Wisdom,-

Thou art indeed one of the messengers,

On a Straight Way.

It is a Revelation sent down by (Him), the Exalted in Might, Most Merciful.

In order that thou mayest admonish a people, whose fathers had received no admonition, and who therefore remain heedless (of the Signs of Allah).

The Word is proved true against the greater part of them: for they do not believe.

Lo! We have put on their necks carcans reaching unto the chins, so that they are made stiff-necked.

And We have put a bar in front of them and a bar behind them, and further, We have covered them up; so that they cannot see.

The same is it to them whether thou admonish them or thou do not admonish them: they will not believe.

Thou canst but admonish such a one as follows the Message and fears the (Lord) Most Gracious, unseen: give such a one, therefore, good tidings, of Forgiveness and a Reward most generous.





You can have them as pets under the condition that you dont enter them your house because angels dont enter a house with a dog in it because theyre unclean. You can have them but put them outside the house but you have to make sure the place u put them in is good meaning that it wont be harsh on them to live their because you will be responsible on judgment day and called in account as to how u treated them. Another condition is that whenever u touch them u would have to clean yourself (wash in a certain way) so as to pray. In Islam we have to be clean when we pray.


Nova Scotia I cant answer your questions because I cant fortell the future. Only God knows. Personally speaking, I believe Muslims Jews Christians can live side by side. We didnt before we can do it again. When Jews were persecuted in Europe the Muslim country sent for them and welcomed them. We can do this again. The first step towards this I believe is to understand each other first thats one of the reasons I made this thread.


So that those who didnt follow whats right wont have an excuse on judgment day and tell God "you never sent us messengers".



Repentence is necessary 100%. You see you cant just say that ok God is mercifull theres a chance I may enter heaven without repenting and asking God forgiveness for my sins, no, thats not allowed, thats taking advantage of Gods mercy and that may end you up in hell. In Islam you are judged by your intention. You are judged by whats inside your heart. If a person thinks that way, that theyll do bad and still go to heaven, thats not a very good person. God may also forgive them, but the have no promise for that. So you have to repent sincerely, pray to God for forgiveness out of love and out of fear. It has to balance out. You may sin and not now you sinned, and forget to pray to God for forgiveness, that God will forgive u for if He wills. So Islam doesnt say "look, become a Muslim, you're garanteed salvation". No. We say you have to be a good person. As long as you strive to be good, even if yoy have your short comings, since you strived to be good and intended to do good, God will forgive you God willing. So thinking that Ill do bad because God is Mercifull, that isnt the way a good person thinks.

Wow.. that is.. rather.. =(

Being an animal lover... I could never leave my pooch outside... or treat him like he was an unclean animal. But then.. I guess that's a difference between our faiths. No animal is unclean.. and all animals are holy and special...

now I gotta go hug my stuff animals... (since I'm not allowed to have a cat or a dog in this appartment) =(

Also, I figured you guys would like to know this. Muslims dont believe that Islam Judaism and Christianity are different relegions. We dont believe that God sent us three distinct different relegions. This makes no sence. Why would God want to divide us instead of unite right? He doesnt. Muslims believe that Judaism and Christianity are Islam but not in its final form. Meaning that, Moses peace be upon him never said that I am preaching a relegion called Judaism. And Jesus Christ peace be upon him never said that I am preaching a relegion called Christinaity right? They just preached the submission to God, and this is what Islam means. Islam means to submit and surrender your will to God Almighty. So since Adam to Mohammed, oah, Moses, Abraham, and all the prophets peace be upon them they all preached Islam but in a different escalating form. First it was monotheism, believe in God alone, one God. Then it started escalating a bit, making people ready to the final form of Islam, it became worship God alone and obbey his comandments and thus came the ten comandments. And it kept on escalating all to prepair people to the final form of Islam which came with prophet Mohammed peace be upon him. With Mohammed came the final Islam and also the clearficiation of the doubts some people had i.e Jews and Christians.

I know some may disagree with this, but this is the Islamic perspective, God only brought one religion in different forms and its final form is the Islam we have today.

lol

I'm interested in the place of women in Islam. I've always had the impression that Mohammed was a family man (in contrast to the prophets in many other religions). Somewhere along the line (this is probably wrong, and my apologies if it is) I've gotten the impression that one of Mohammed's wives was a widow who was somehow supporting her children when she met Mohammed. Is this true?

IF THE ANSWER IS YES here's another question:

If the above is true, then a woman of Mohammed's choice was a working mother. This seems like the most modern take on womanhood that I've encountered in any religion, and yet Muslim women now seem to be especially cut off from the public world of commerce. Could you say something about this?


Thanks for this thread. I've never had the opportunity to ask an Islamic male about his faith before (what a pity!)

Muslim i guess it comes down to I beleave in submitting to God . You beleave in submitting to God .

But I get my instruction from the Bible You get your instruction from the quran

I'm sincere I beleave you are sincere .

I don't want a quran You don't want a bible .



I do think what the bible preaches in truth is a way better deal for those that are not of our faiths .

I as a christian don't worry about you as a muslim , I do not need to convert you I only need to Witness to you .After that its up too you . I don't worry as i Beleave if you are a good man you probly will make it to eternal life .
All I beleave you are missing by being a muslim instead of a christian of my faith is being judged now .
You would lose 1000 years of life . You would lose the chance of being a king or priest . But if you are a good man some day you probly will recieve eternal life so i don't need to convert you .
I would never beleave in forceing people into the faith as i beleave God has to chose the Kings and priest . And true conversion takes a gift from God to covict them to truely repent .

I also don't beleave my God is into torture . If you was found to be incorectably evil when you are judged its just a matter of you loseing eternity . You recieve the second death .there is no resurection from the second death you would be gone for eternity just erased .


Now what do you beleave happens to me . If i continue to reject Muhamed and the Quran and stick to the Bible but i am a good man that is trying to obey God with this bible only ?

What if i'm found evil on judgement day? will i be tortured for eternity? can our minds even realise what eternal torture would be like?

Is that not 2 different Gods ? One would torture a man for not being perfect

one just has to erase him if he is incorrectably evil .


If the first God is not the real God is it not a big insult to say God needs to torture evil men ? When the truth is he just can't have evil men around?

Which is the nature of God ? the one that requires Eternal never ending torture

Or the one that that just puts them to sleep .

Yes this is true Mohammed peace be upon him married several woman who were widowed in order to help them. He used to help his wives with the housework. He used to always be kind to them that they loved him deeply.

statistics have shown that woman are entering islam twice as much as men. Why is that? After studying Islam, and the rights Islam gives to a woman they come to realize that Islam has given rights to woman 1400 years ago that woman in the west have just been abel to get.
to understand better here are some lectures given about womans rights in Islam, u will be shocked, that, according to the standards of the arabs 1400 years ago and the ights Mohammed peace be upon him gave to the woman, he was a feminist.

this a section in a fan forum about woman in islam, very good with informative videos:
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2351

also read down in the replies ull find two videos which are very good and tell me wat u think if u dont mind later on

Here is a lecture given by former Christian preature Yusuf Estez about womans rights in Islam, its good because he also explains how woman were treated prior to Islam:

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=228


As for the second part of ur question, yes unfortanetly Muslim woman in several countries are cut off from public BUT this has nothing to do with Islam it has to do with culture. After you listen 2 the lectures hopefully u will see that and u will be shocked.

God will call you into account. You might be tortured for associating partners with God and you might later enter heaven. The Quran says that dont balim anybody but yourselves, the signs have come to you and the messenger has came to you to not bring a new relegion but to complete your religion for you and explain 2 u that which u were having doubts about. You either believe or u dont. So in reality its not God whos going to torture you, if He does, but its you whos torturing yourself with what you're doing. This is a great sin in Islam, to say that God has any partners or has a son, it is a terrible thing.

The Quran says:
004.171 - 173

O People of the Book (Christians) ! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

Christ disdaineth nor to serve and worship Allah, nor do the angels, those nearest (to Allah): those who disdain His worship and are arrogant,-He will gather them all together unto Himself to (answer).

But to those who believe and do deeds of righteousness, He will give their (due) rewards,- and more, out of His bounty: But those who are disdainful and arrogant, He will punish with a grievous penalty; Nor will they find, besides Allah, any to protect or help them.

The choice is up to you. God sent us messengers to warn those who disbelieve and give glad tidings to those who believe. Who is forcing you to believe that God is a triune God? Yourself. Who is forcing me to believe that God is one who does not begett and is not begotten and has no partners? Myself. So we are responsible for our own actions.

What about seeing-eye dogs and wheelchair dogs are muslims alowed to use them if they are in need? I have often thought about a service dog to help with my balance and walking.

Yes you are. Islam is "easy not hard" as Mohammed said. Meaning that its about mercy not hardship. If u are forced to do something then its allowed.
But just in case u should ask a scholar since im not one but they are allowed as far as i know. So if u do become a Muslim at some point, just ask a scholar or just go to www.turntoislam.com sign up to the fan forums and post ur question and insha Allah (God willing) theyll get u an answer very soon since the members are very well informed. The general rule is in Islam, if you have to use something in Islam even if it is forbidden its ok to use it but it depends on your reason.

this is a documentary called legacy of a prophet which speaks of Mohammed peace be upon hims life story:
part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDh2CquHC1I

part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TyR88Xww5Q


"I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him (Mohammed) - the wonderful man and in my opinion for from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today." --George Bernard. Shaw, THE GENUINE ISLAM, Vol. 1, No. 81936.

So let me get this strait according to Islam I deserve eternal torment because i Beleave God the Father has a Son and the scripture up till Islam showed on the earth all claimed God had a Son .

Jesus Christ spoke that was Gods Son . Its every where through the bible . And no muslim can prove these scriptures was added .

I don't trust the quran as i don't think Muhamed understood Gods plan as the bible does makes perfect sence .

All the Holy days that Jesus kept have hidden meanings that fit the bible . Islams holy days have no hidden meanings . So i deserve to recieve eternal punishment even though i do Submit and Obey God to the best of my ability with a bible . Which Clearly even says That Jesus was the Creator of this planet .

So its my fault and i should suffer for eternity because i accept this book that in my mind does make perfect sence .


Would not the God i preach about be a much more fair God then the one Islam has?

All in my opinion you lose by being a sincere muslim (if you are not evil) is 1000 years of life and a position as a king or priest . Even a 1000 years of life is no big deal compared to eternity .

But because i bought the wrong book (one that does teach God has a Son Clearly) which even Jesus Christ chosen appostles helped write i deserve eternal never ending torment ?

Your God makes more sence then Mine?

I didnt say you will have eternal punishment. You are subject to it. If God wants to forgive you He will. If He doesnt He wont. Its up to Him.



Why wasnt this preached by Noah? By Abraham? By Moses? All prophets preached the lord your God is One. They never said your lord is one truine God. If He was they would have explained that but none of them did. God was sending these prophets and all they said was God is One. They never mentioned a son or a trinity. Never was a trinity preached by any prophet prior to Christ and neither did Christ ever utter the words trinity in his life. You and I have debated the God having a son issue, you know where I stand on this. The Ot has tons of sons of God. The NT has Jesus as the son of God. Those in the OT you say are metaphorical. Jesus in the NT you say is literal. This is up to you lets not turn this into a debate here. You asked a question I answered it.

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Davids Lord had a Lord .


but any way im not trinitarian .


you never answered my question . Is my God more fair then your God ?


Do you think you desrve eternal torment if the quran does turn out to be a big fake some day?

I wont answer this because its gonna drag us to a debate.



I never said you're going to be tormented till eternity. As for me, who am I to judge if I deserve to be tormented till eternity or not. I dont even remember my sins. Do you remember the sins you did last week? No. We tend to forget. Only God doesnt forget and it is He who will judge me and only He and I beg Him to show mercy on me and forgive me for my faults and short comings and bad deeds. Will I ever believe He has a son? Never. I believe this isnt beffiting in the magesty of God to have a son or any partners or any equals far exalted is He above this.
Differ with me as much as u like by all means. I wont debate. To you is your religion and to me is mine as the Quran says.

Remember with a christian Every sin ever commited before baptism is Gone .

Never will it be brought up by God again . A baptism is a buriel of the old self .

Also after baptism A christian recieves a Gift . The gift of the Spirit of Christ . Which is actually Jesus living in us as a back seat driver Quietly telling us What is Sin and what way to Go . We can Listen to him or we can not listen .

If we listen he will convict us to repent of our Sins .

If we reject this inner Voice till death we will lose our salvation . We have to listen and repent .

A christian is only Judged from after baptism

Is a muslim judeged on his whole life?

A Muslim is judged for his whole life as a Muslim. Meaning if someone becomes a Muslim he gets all his previous sins forgiven and from there he is judged on all his actions until his death. If one is born Muslim, he is judged on all his life as a Muslim.

You can be born muslim?

I became christian at 28-29 years of age . I don't know how young my faith would baptise . they must be mature .

Before being baptised we have to be counciled to see if we know what we are doing . As we beleave once going through the waters of Baptism this is it .

This is your chance , you have to over come or lose eternity .

So its a serious thing to consider .

It also will only work if you are sincere . A person can be baptised but never recieve the Holy spirit as they never truely repented of Sin . So one could not be born into my form of christianity .

It usally happens in later life when they understand what they are doing .


We recieve the Holy spirit from the laying on of hands after Baptism . This chain of Hands in my opinion can be followed all the way back to the apostles hands . God provides a man of God who had hands laid on him .who had hands laid on him all the way back to the apostles hands .

Is there a Spirit given to a Muslim that actually Gives you a deeper mind then normal men Have ?

One can think they are a Christian , But are only truely a christian if they Really have Christ Spirit . Its got to be the real spirit of Christ . False churches in my beleaf sell a Counterfiet .

Is it like this in Islam , Is their a Holy Spirit given to the Real Ones? That actually lets them see more?

QUOTE:

"My form of christianity"


I think, for me that this says it all. 'Christianity' is the Baskin-Robbins of religions. 31 flavors, all saying they are the best, the only, the true faith.



For those unaware, Baskin-Robbins is a chain of ice cream stores, that feature different flavored ice creams. Their slogan is "31 flavors".

Although, coffee flavor is the best

whats with mohammed why so highly used?

as i read through All these threads his name comes up so many times? why so..
is mohammed considered your Jesus in islam?

does it say in the koran that if you're wife "talks back" or "gets out of line" that it's okay to lock her up in a room and go in and periodically beat her?