yesterday i was talking with a friend and we came to discuss about the apocalypse. This friend of mine is more concerned about religion than me, she was also a nun. She told me that Fatima's 3rd vision, the part that is not revealed to the public yet, is about the apocalypse and it's signs. She mentioned the tsunami, a coin (euro) and that for three days it will be totaly dark also in the morning. Evil will be in the streets and anyone who is overtaken by curiosity and comes out from his house will be taken by satan. she also said that a enourmous cross will be seen in the sky and we all have to pray constintley for those 3 days for hour time has come, and it will be in 2008.

ok, i asked her how does she knows this, she said this info was spread over the internet and overall talking. I'm very skeptic about this, besides i never heard anything about this before yesterday. But im curious to know what do you out there know about this? did u ever heard such statements?... share anything u know or think about the apocalypse and its signs.

Although i'm skeptic about the things my friend told me, mostly for lack of logical proof for this statements, i beleive mankind is bringing doomsday upon itself in this present.

People have been predicting the Apocalypse since the Bible came out in print It hasn't happen yet and I don't think it is going to happen. If the end of civilization comes it will most likely happen because we have degraded the environment so much it becomes unlivable. Or a big old rock come out from behind the sun and wham no more earth. Stay skeptical it will serve you well in life.

Ezekiel the 5th chapter tells you what will happen in the tribulation .

The tribulation is also known as jacobs troubles (isreals troubles) .

So the most affected peoples will be the people of Isreal .The bible in my opinion tells 9/10s of the people of Isreal will die before Christ return . Only 10% will live to see Christ return to earth .

the rest of the nations will see horible times too but nothing like jacob will see . He's pretty well wiped out and distroyed before Christ return .

The big problem on this earth is nobody really knows who Jacob or Isreal is any more . The country we call Isreal I Don't beleave is Isreal . This is Judea ,or the Jews . The jews fall with Isreal you can see that in Isaiah 11 but its not the house of Isreal .
The jews Brother Josephs sons was to carry Isreals name you see this in gen 48-49 .

Ephrium and Mannasah carry Isreals name . One is a great nation the other a multitude of nations . together they hold most the world wealth .
to make a long story short its the british commanwealth and United states of America that carry ISREALS NAME . the english decendent peoples .

These peoples are going to recieve Gods wrath very shortly at a level the world has never seen before .

His wrath starts by ( Isaiah 3) God taking their wise leaders ,and wise judges , men of honour ect from them .
Famine and diseases will hit them first , 1/3 will die before war ever comes .

The God of this universe is watching ezekiel 22 kind of Shows what God thinks of modern Isreal .

The bible needs to be unlocked . Horrible things are coming if its not unlocked .The churches of our countrys are mostly Satanic counterfiets that hide the real truths .

We soon will experience the rath of the God of Isreal , i guess it seems he don't like us allowing just any old way goes type of faiths in our midst . We was to be the light of the Earth . When our light goes out Watch out !.

I would pay absolutly no Attention to what the Catholics say is Coming ..

Watch your Bible nothing else! be carefull of modern christianity .

I must admit im not that knowledged about the bible. and in fact i never heared about this statement, but i ask why 'islaelis'?

although i think ur right about that christianity hides alot of issues to the public, potentially also editing it.

The 'apocalypse' is an angel war, brought to Earth. It really has nothing to do with humans at all. It wont be 'the end' like everyone thinks it will be. This war is over two things, 1. should angels have free will and be able to use that free will in servitude to God of their own free will (as oppsed to being made that way), and 2. should angels be able to marry. Many a angel has fallen because of this. Satan oppses both and will bring this war to Earth. He, himself comes to Earth of his own free will. Talk about a hypocrite eh.

As for fearing satan, he's nothing to be afraid of, try fearing God instead.

The 'apocalypse' is an angel war, brought to Earth. It really has nothing to do with humans at all. It wont be 'the end' like everyone thinks it will be. This war is over two things, 1. should angels have free will and be able to use that free will in servitude to God of their own free will (as oppsed to being made that way), and 2. should angels be able to marry. Many a angel has fallen because of this. Satan oppses both and will bring this war to Earth. He, himself comes to Earth of his own free will. Talk about a hypocrite eh.

As for fearing satan, he's nothing to be afraid of, try fearing God instead.

http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/cgi-bin/tw/b...item=1104413534

http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/cgi-bin/tw/b...item=1104094367

Them 2 booklets should help you understand.

Ah the book of Revalation continues to be missused and miss understood. Much of what is thought about the Apocalypse comes from this text. IF it is read literally it is a very frigtening book, but it is important to look at why it was writen in the way it was. IT was wrtien to attack the roman empire and to predict its downfall and the hopes of the early church that God would devlier them. And in a way he did when Christianity become the offical religon of the country, then the persicution of christians stopped in the empire.

I think we have a lot more to worry about here and now since we as a species have learned how to wipe our selves off of the planet.

Boy, are you people going to be disappointed.

I'm impressed 2 statements i never heard of.. i need educate myself more i guess lol. anyway, tnx both for sharing ur opinions.. and for the links. i will read them.

For fearing God, i think u meant 'respect' him and realize his power over everything. Yes in that case i agree. But i think we should fear evil/satan aswell, this because the most powerful tool he uses is making us ignore him/his existance. Hence we under estimate him. I't s not the same as fearing God, its more like fearing the fact that evil was always and remains something which can manipulate us without even realizing it.

I'll bet on it !

It is unfortuante that as we change our languages over time we lose the conotation some words mean. The word for fear in greek is not the same as the english equivalent, fear in greek means to have awe, respect, love and honor as well as fear. The language is very differnt from ours and has many nuances that dont translate well.

If you are intreasted you can try learning greek, but i dont recomend it as a hobby it is kinda like having your toenails pulled out.

LOL i can imagine that, especially the alphabet *shrugs* but i do love languages actually i could give it a try .
but yes its true, in fact that was the 'fear' i meant when i said fearing God..u explained it wonderfully.

there is a story in the bible about a prophet that stopped for dinner i forget just where now but its there .


Its a lesson on yes GOD REALLY MEANS WHAT HE SAYS , don't let any man persuade you he didn't even a other holy man .

Now do you think scripture like the last few verses in Col 2 really mean what it says .

ALL ARE TO PARISH .


Does God really mean that?

None of us humans can know what God has planned for us, i cant answer really. But consider The Great Flood, mentioned in the Bibble, where Noe built an ark to escape it etc. That never happened, it was a metaphor. So is adams and eve story, and alot more. The bibble is full of metaphors, one cant read everything literary..

But some things are far fetched in my opinion, Jesus governing from Jerusalem? kind of Bush came in mind
and why should only americans, britains and israelis be punished? isnt all the world corrupted?. If God is a rightous being he would never do choices like this, besides, speaking about the apocalypse, the world is rotten mainly because of people in power, the governments. Why should every being parish? also the good ones?

I guess they kind of had a responsiblity to show the rest the world the right way to do things . And now we are starting to look like the earths dark spot .

I'm a Canadian and i think we are winning in the western world for the Country that fears God the Least .

Holland seems like they want second place lol.

I didn't know that Canada was that mischevious? lol ... how come?

I just want to add that our sins may of already done us alot of harm here in the western countries and we just have not admitted it yet .

Like abortion . Something like 23,000,000 babies was aborted in america alone . mostly would of been faithfull flag waveing citizens . To make up for this lost population because we need them to make sure the baby boomers will see oold age pesions ect .

we have to bring in many from other nations . Who really don't always like our countries they are just here for the wealth . Someday in the Future this great sin that we commited may make the west fall as our armies will be needed at home instead of abroad . You can't commit sins like this without future affects .

alot of our children are gone and have to be replaced with children of others that may not like Us .

well if you are Gay and want to get Married Come to Canada we will welcome you .


Want to marry a Horse ? Maybe we will find a way .


teach any religion you want . you could even preach against us if you want .

Can you see muslim countries Allowing christians to preach against islam the way its aloud in the west?Nothing wrong with a good arguement .

But here now they can actually teach people to hate us from amonst us if they want .

I dont look at the apocalypse from a religious point. Apocalypse, to me, is man turning against man. The only fire from the sky that I see is war.

Yes, thats more as i think of it too. That's waht i meant when in my first post i said " mankind is bringing doomsday upon itself at this present". i think that the true apocalypse will be the day mankind will esterminate itself, and this world with wars, corruptness, extremism, and hatred.

Hi Bill,

I think you should remind everyone that this is only one interpretation of what the Book of Revelation is about and that there are quite a few Christian Theologians who do not agree with this interpretation. Additionally, it is important to note that there are prophesies in Ezekiel and also in the Gospels (spoken by Jesus) that seem to support a different interpretation of Revelation.

EDIT: repeat, sorry!

Long before that Darkwind.

I recall MAKO had a topic listing all the major Apocolypt predictions of the last 5000 years or so. It was so long that by the time you reached the end you realised just how laughable the idea of pre-ordained appocolyse is.

The truth of the matter is that there has been so many failed end of world predictions by so many fools, and charlatans that it really is pretty unbelievable.

Click to view attachmentwell i dont think there is no apocolypse. also, why do people believe in god or christianity. They cant explain the dinosaurs being dated back millions of years ago because the world is supposedly only 6,000 years old. they cant back up anything . They say they are right because the bible says so. The bible is just a piece of paper that people made when then were high on frankin cense. All science disproves christianity, but yet people are so stupid to believe in God and godly creation. evolution is how we were made.

Well. Thats a fairly incoherant rant.

Congrats. You won the fools post award

There were a couple of "apocolypse lists" on these forums.

The problem I have with these doomsday scenarios?

If enough people start to believe and anticipate a biblical reclaimation, then they will not see the point in trying to correct the worlds problems.

They'll say "why bother? god will fix things in 1, 2, 20, 200, 2000, 20,000 years......."

Yes you are right that there are differnt views on what the book of revalation says. But most of them discount the rest of the apocoliptic genre. I just think it is important to remember the context of what is being read. You dont read a mystery like a hitorical text, or a letter like a novel. Thats all. And yes some christians do belive thisbook literally. There i said it are ya happy now.

On behalf of all intelligent, logical, thinking Christians I thank you for straightening us all out.

Obviously, you have some issues with Christianity, I would appreciate if you would be respectful of our beliefs. You don't have to agree with them, but please be respectful.

for thousands of years the apocalypse has been predicted and each prediction failed. the end of days is not known to humanity and even to God himself. the book of revelation is yet detmerined if it was written by John the baptist, John the Apostle or just 'a' john that really hated women. Cause techinically through the book of revelation only men (not women) who have not attempted fornication EVEN if they are married, are not marked by the beast (thought to be the coins of the roman empire) and highly respected and worshipped God would pass judgement and led into heaven. Women were known as whores to this "john". Women were satanic in his opinion. So... even if we did this worshipping, us females would not pass judgment and neither would anyone who has kids. So pretty much we're screwed.

the seven angels that foretell the beginning of the apocalypse haven't even been correctly intereptered. There are so many symbols, messages in between symbols that it's actually a really hard piece of writing to truly understand. I mean our world has many natural disasters. In my opinion the earth is trying to get rid of its disease. and that's us. I believe that's why we're getting global warming, hurricanes, tsunamis and all.

The Book of Revelation is supposed to be read spiritually. I believe that the book of revelation is a guide to our own little world inside our heads. "The end of days is not known to humanity, not even to God himself." <--- the death of a person. Think about it. You don't know when you're going to die. Neither does God. That is why I don't believe in Fate cause God would have known. The apocalyspe I think is a metaphor for the battles within ourselves and our lives.

Just because everything is posted on the internet doesn't mean its going to happen. Just because the book of revelation was printed doesn't mean its going to happen. Let's just wait and see.

Not trying to offend religious people, but I will refuse to worship a selfish God. If God loves us, then he'll love us for ourselves and let us all in to have supper with him. We all make mistakes and he once did, by creating the first world only to destroy it to build a new.

It wont happen quite like your nun firend described it to you, But it's coming. Many of the biblical prophecies have already been fufilled except the extreme ones that are to come last, and if you pay attention to world events and politics...you can see doors opening that will allow these un fufilled prophecies to be fufilled in a matter of years.....And It's in the Generation that can we compare to the time they were describing in the Bible.

True Other generations before ours thought they were gong to see The Tribulation period but what seperates them from us is that Our Generation exceeds any other with AIDS, Gangs, tenneage pregnency, The Porn Industrys, The Weather Changes, and natural disasters, The Technology Boom, the peeking of Middle East and Religiose Conflict, Our lack of Beleife, Faith, and Morral, Is at an all time peak, The New Age Philosiphys ~spelling~ :/, The UFO Age, Occults, Pshychic Readings........Its Just like the says of Noah all over again....and as it said in the Bible "as in the days of noah will be as in the days of the coming of man" ( Jesus Christ ) .

So next time some one sais "well my grand parents thought they were living in the last days"...you compare there white picket fence to our broken down busted ass chain link ghetto, and you do the math..

I mostly agree with Killumanati. Never before have we possessed so meny things/technologies that could destroy us. We have also never done the things we are now doing to the planet on the scale we are doing it, like pollution. Our population is larger, more wide spread and more interconnected than ever before. Our civilization is a house of cards un-like any in the past. We all feel so safe with our gadgets and conveniences, that we don't stop to think about how dependent we are on them. We have also (sorry to go there) never been in a war with a faceless enemy like "terrorism". Its a war we cannot win, and if we push it to far it could easily tilt the balance of our civilization and send the whole thing crashing down.

I am not worried about acts of god though. Its our own actions we need to fear.

Fatima or not, the human race will be 'transformed' one day, but I'm not worried about the apocalypse in my lifetime, nor to many many generations ahead -- true, people do profit financially from people's fear... And by then, it probably wouldn't matter. Instead of apocalypse, one might want to worry about how to handle one's boredom and nanotechnology... On the other hand, I believe that one's 'apocalypse' happens the moment one dies -- it is a lone experience, a personal adventure, perhaps triggered by one's religious baggage, guilt, WHATEVER. This particular apocalypse is more like a passing dream (to perhaps amuse the mind for a very brief moment)...

I also believe that this world is perfect, for God is perfect. God is supreme, is He (or She) not??? Why would God want to destroy this world? It is a perfect machinery to polish people up.

One could never let go, what one has never gained. You cannot take anything with you, in the first place -- if you know what I mean. AND, anything perfect is beyond the human grasp, in the end. We could only perceive minute portions of it, and it still eludes the mind. The mind couldn't hold on to it, unless this Force from far beyond gives one that grace. Alas, matter decays, it is its nature. The flesh rots, and physical pain-addiction ceases. One's consciousness is the main issue, therefore.

One should be very careful what one puts in one's consciousness. Everything is a propaganda.

One should really work on one's self to see the flashes of perfection. What's in front of you? Look around you. Look at yourself. What do you see? Is your life unbearable, or is it full of gifts and wonder? If it is unbearable, then why not change it? Or change your state of thinking? Your life is short as it is (in the scheme of things), and so, be quick about it. Find someone to really love, and see where that leads to. Love yourself, truly and absolutely love yourself. In my belief system, to not love one's self is the greatest mistake one could inflict on one's self. Loving one's self leads to many possiblities because when you truly love yourself, you wouldn't treat people in a negative manner. Loving one's self is a great start to see these flashes of perfection. In this era, it is a big challenge to truly love one's self. Besides, you would also expect the best from people. It is definitely infectious. It is so easy to say, "I love you." But how many people out there truly love themselves, full of this infectious radiance. It is probably the hardest work one could ever do.

Peace.

And it will get worse and worse by the time passing by. Mankind is selfish, over-amibtious, arrogant and blinded by the crave for power and money. Thats what is making us a sick population, governments are corrupted, people try to make money out of everything. I mean where this will lead?. We can already see the grotesque changes in our environment.. glaciers are melting, tsunamis, earthquakes, storms, tornados.. the list never ends. We are bringing this on us. We are destroying Mother Earth, hence ourselves, cause we live in it.
We think we are omnipotent. You mentioned the UFO age, actually i dont see that as a bad thing, on the contrary, accepting that there is other species of life in the universe except for us, its a big thing for humans.. we are so self-centred, many easily think we are the only living specie in the whole universe!. But thats another issue..

this world is sick... but dont think its only in this era. From the begining mankind showed to be what it was and it is, a sadistic, arrogant, blinded by power and money population. Mankind was always passionate about torturing, sex, abuse, money, power, hatred, envy, and wars. Its no surprise. The sad thing is that mankind instead of fixing its sickness, its pushing it forward, with the help of technology. Technology in itself its not a bad thing, considering it helps us to live better, also to save lifes. The real issue is that mankind is using technology for mischivious ends.. thats the issue that makes us doomed-- Corruptness. We twist anything to fit in our wants, we corrupt anything to achieve what we want. Humans succeed in turning something good into somthing bad..

Where/how was he/she being disrespectful, IamsSon??

ya i think we all know this world is building for a great war .


But will the World ever see Peace ? what happens after Apocalypse?
http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/cgi-bin/tw/t...item=1167638687

Kind of off the topic but just want to keep us from getting a feeling of no hope .

Absolutely. There will come a time when we accept that our greed surpasses our intellect. Unfortunately - I don't believe that time is now.
We can't change what we don't acknowledge... We're the cancer on this planet. What sort of legacy is this for our children, and their children? We should be ashamed of what we've done, and continue to do.
Only toxic things can live in a toxic environment. (yes, it's my mantra)

Probably by calling Christians stupid and wrong.