If the craft is within flight control zones without permission from ground controllers and zips off at hypersonic speeds from a hover below 10,000 feet from a standing start and then maneuvers at 40+ Gs, then it is safe to say the craft was not ours.



Why would they even be in our airspace in the first place if they are not bent on following flight regulations over the United States? What country do you know that has the advanced technology to have produced a large flying vehicle capable of hypersonic flight and not create a sonic boom and conduct right-angled maneuvers at high G-loads?

Breaking FAA regulations requires a report to made.



I get the facts straight from the Air Force itself so I know what I am talking about.



Ask the folks who build space surveillance satellites. After all, they are the people who have said that their satellites have been detecting UFOs flying in from deep space. You can begin with the engineers at Aerojet.

Actually, I have already provided the proof. Read the data and understand the nature of the data evidence I've posted. It is obvious the UFO is that of an intelligently controlled flying machine far exceeding the performance levels of any aircraft flying today.

Silver, saucer-shaped flying machines that are intelligently controlled as natural phenomena? I don't think so!!



Once again, protocol is ignored in your statement.

Military technology eventually result in spendoffs for commercial uses yet we are still flying around in jet aircraft.



Present any aircraft that can mimic the performance levels in the data I posted and your question will be answer when you find that you are unable to find anything close to a man-made vehicle that fly at such fantastic performance levels.

What was exaggerated in the Roswell incident were the Air Force's cover stories. Remember, the Air Force claimed that it was a weather balloon, then changed its story to a Mogul balloon train, which never flew and the Air Force knew it but it managed to pull the wool over the eyes of those who took their story as face value. Then, the Air Force said that alien bodies people saw in 1947 were test dummies and accident victims of the 1950's. What is wrong with that story? Did the Air Force invent a time machine?



Read the data I posted and understand why the Air Force had basically stated in 1952 in its intelligence report on UFO maneuvers, that if the objects maneuver in ways as reported, then they are not ours. Understand why balloon scientist in New Mexico, and scientist, engineers, and senior military officials at Wright-Patterson AFB have already stated that some UFOs were "interplanetary spaceships."

Not in the cases in question and here's another case that was not the result of natural phenomena.


http://www.nicap.org/iran25.htm

http://www.nicap.org/iran26.htm

http://www.nicap.org/iran27.htm

Im not crazy, Or i make mistakes sometimes geez im not perfect 30...26...yes i am but they return every so many years.. through mind to mind contact and out of body expierence? ever feal like liquid was taken out of your knee cap when you wake up from a dream? it feals like someone shot you...i Was just born on time...who's the only guy that prolly has his virginity in chicago at my age...

ohh... beware there going to show at CHICAGO O'HARE AIRPORT AGAIN..

Your 1 in a billion allright So sometimes your 26 and other times your 30 very strange indeed. I have had sore knees in the morning befor but thats because I'm old, not sure were you are going with that really. Of course we all make mistakes but yours are bit strange. I don't get what you mean by born on time, did the doctors tell your mom you would be born roughly 9 months after conception and low and behold nine months later there you were. As far as going into your 26 - 30 year old virgin thing hmmm, I wouldn't tell to many people that(not that it's a bad thing). I would suggest you open a thread of your own and explain in detail what you are trying to say this is off topic for this thread and I would hate to see it get side tracked. Please create a thred for your experiences and be prepaired to have lots of questions asked. Good luck on your new thread, I'll stop by and say hi. Thx

There were no human occupants involved in the Roswell incident, as some have suggested, otherwise there would have been no reason to concoct a recovered saucer story and the years shouldn't make any difference either. After all, you can tune into the Military Channel and the History Channel and listen how World War II vets relive their wartime experiences in great detail, which took place years before the Roswell incident hit the headlines. Those skeptics, whose websites push that issue are responsible for that flawed "it-was-too-many-years-ago" logic and the Air Force added fuel to that fire in that respect with its 1997 Roswell report. The Air Force knew that some UFOs are ET spaceships and had known that since the 1940's. During the 1960's, the missile fields at Malmstrom AFB experienced shutdowns and UFOs were reported in the general vicinity. A former base of mine, Hill AFB, UT, investigated that incident since my base had responsibilities toward Minuteman missiles. What many folks didn't know was that there was a UFO that landed outside the area during the missile shutdowns. Malmstrom experienced another UFO incident in 1975 and this time the Air Force sent two F-106 Delta Dart interceptors to investigate. Eventually, ground-based radar lost contact with the UFO after it climbed above 200,000 feet.

http://www.nicap.org/malmstrom75-1.htm

Region Senior Director’s Log

http://www.nicap.org/foia_002.htm

In the Minot AFB incident, a B-52 crew was called upon to investigate a UFO and you can best-believe it wasn't one of our secret aircraft either. That same B-52 crew was presented in an interview that aired last year on TV.



And, another UFO landed near Kirtland AFB as well that had nothing to do with secret aircraft.

Kirtland AFB UFO

http://www.totse.com/en/fringe/government_...ups/ufos11.html

http://brumac.8k.com/images/kirtland_images/KIRTLANDB_tn.jpg


Not likely the following incident had anything to do with secret aircraft either.



Who were the owners of those exotic flying crafts?

Skyeagle....you lost me many pages back when you said we have nothing that can "hover".
Not only do we have craft "jets' that can "hover" but we also don't know what we have that is top secret.
We've had "hover" jets for at least 20 years.
Please drop that from your argument.
I assume you are not familiar with the Harrier series of jets that could take off without a runway. Yes.....you heard me right....straight up from where they sat.....and then could just sit there suspended.
Thats called "hovering".
If you want to argue the obvious than we'll talk about the F-35C that will take its place .
I'm not saying that there are no ET's in our space.......but please drop the "no hovering " thing.

Umm I'm quit sure skyeagle knows of the Harriers, This is a pretty weak post when you want to come out and challange please have more then Harrier jets in mind. Oh and the word hover, could you please explain that again I'm not sure I got it. That was way over my head Holy crap do a quick little peak into what a Harrier is capable of compaired to what has been talked about in this thread. Damn a Harrier lol that was funny.

First time as post whore but damn, he's right lol

I did not say he didn't know about Harriers...my point is...
They came out in I believe 1984.....which was 23 years ago....who knows what we have now.
The point is that we had and have a "hover" jet and I'm tired of him saying we have nothing that can "hover".
I didn't say it could do it in altitude....only that it could hover.

I'm sorry....just re-read your post. Hover means "To hang fluttering or suspended in the air'.

We have had many things that could "hover" way befor 1984. Umm I should maybe mention the helicopter, hotair ballons, blimps. When hovering is mentioned by a ufologist they do know the difference from a helicopter or plane that should have it's running light's on, to a possible test of some black opp's hovering object around airports, military bases, nuclear facilities and nuclear silo's. If the goverment is flying these things close to these area's the military is extremly irrisposible in doing so and wow. Not right.


Hmmm to have a weather phanomina accure so often in such vital area's you would think more research would be required hmm maybe A # priority. Can you imagine if ufo's as some say hear were a weather phanomina the space agency might not be so willing to send shuttle after shuttle to space befor knowing if these "phenomina" might pose a threat. The argument that these are naturaly accuring is laughable and the sure sighn of someone that has a fear of the unknown. Claiming these are most likely unexplained natural phanomina are grasping. More evidience then not show's they are not of a man made nature or knowledge that we have stumbled apon ourselves, but something niether the goverment can explain, meterologists can explain or the average joe that see's them all the time. Goverment test my ass. All around the world on a nightly basis, wow some country sure is scared that the other country can develop this kind of tech and if they wern't hmm they must be right on the tails of the country that can. Didn't take russia long to figure out the h-bomb after the states did.

Stellar when you pick this apart and answer every line with a comment and not a question it makes it very hard to rebutel. Please don't use that tactic

I would ask you what year you heard of a "stealth bomber"? Do you think it was made in that year? Do you not think that a hell of a lot of UFO sightings were related to the stealth flying?
I assume you think that we keep our next discoveries in absolution so that we won't know whether they can fly or not....we have to fly them and just as the stealth sent UFO sightings through the roof.....so maybe our new one is.

It is NOT irresponsible to fly new weapons.....sorry....aircraft next to airliners. Training manuevers are mandatory.
It is not common practice to shadow an airliner but it needs to be done. Enough said.

Ya I heard of the stealth bomber years ago, can't say when exactly. You seem to miss the point though It was a STEALTH bomber, radar could not see it, hence the word stealth. If I had seen a steath bomber 50 years ago it does not matter, it still fly's like a plane makes noise like a plane, has wings like a plane. I would have no reason but to call it it a really cool looking plane. As you say I'm sure to test the steath bombers they had to fly and tease commercial aircraft, hover over cities, move in speeds that would crush a man like a bug ext. Would a brand new helicopter make you think you saw a ufo? maybe. But if a new space age helicopter could go 9000 miles an hour on radar I would still be able to tell if it was a helicopter.

I'm not sure why you brought helicopters into this.....
I don't know of anyone that saw a UFO and mistook it for a helicopter....

How would you be able to tell if it was a helicopter?
How would you be able to tell it was a helicopter at 9000 MPH?
BTW....the stealth does not sound like a normal plane....does not have wings like a normal plane....but you are right that its cool looking....

Before I get blasted.....yes it has wings....but not like other jets.

Ok for one if it was a space age helicopter that could fly at 9000 miles per hour but still hover and have pictures of it taken and it looked like a helocopter then I would go hey wow thats a damn cool helicopter.

If I saw that damn cool helicopter take off at 9000 mph strieght up and then stop then do it again, in a different direction umm lets say a 90 degree angle. I would think man made? wow what are we waiting for.

The steath bombers are of a singel wing design yes, but still look like a plane. The noise would be different but it would sound MAN made. Yes very cool looking indeed lol.

That would be one awesome helicopter.

True that

I would simply like to add there have been cases in the past that were proven to be tests of military craft that several world governments tried to pass off as UFOs.

In 1967 Russia experienced a wave of UFO sightings. Many sightings were reported on Russian television and were suggested to be extraterrestrial in nature. It was later discovered that those UFOs were:



Link

The same attempt at misleading the public happened again in Russia in 1977 and 1981. People were lead to believe they were witnessing alien space craft, when in fact what they had seen were secret rocket launches.

It's interesting to note that the US government was fully aware of the tests in Russia, but did nothing to quell the UFO rumors that were reaching the states through the media.

With this attitude it would hardly be surprising if it turned out that the US is testing top-secret drones or other exotic craft in our airspace today.

We do test secret aircraft but not within controlled airpspace of airport where such test presents flight hazards to commercial air traffic nor within prohibited flight zones such as the airspace over the White House yet it is such places where UFOs have flown and there are specific places where such test are conducted. The UFO enigma is centuries old so it is plausible that the saucer-shaped UFOs were not secret aircraft of the 20th century.

What I met was zooming off at hypersonic speeds after hovering silently. I should have been more detailed.

we? stellar, you don't believe anyone on this forum... don't pretend like you're in consensus with the rest of the people on here.

Expectations of sightings does not explain the photographs and videos that exist. Nor does it explain group sightings where a large number of people all give exactly the same description.

This post sounds like it was done by Walter Cronkite, way back when and people had little know how of how a rocket worked. WEAK please try again

I was only pointing out that there have been instances where the US and Russian governments have been caught attempting to pass off secret tests as UFOs. People were indeed familiar with rocket launches back then, but were still mistaken and/or led to believe that what they were seeing was extraterrestrial.



This confrontational attitude from you and certain other members is really getting old. I allowed myself to get caught up in a flame war once and I will not let that happen again.

Exists of what exactly!? All that these pictures and videos show us are UFOs, at best. And the step from unidentified to extraterrestrial is enormous.




UFOs exist, no need to doubt that, what UFOs are on the other hand, that is the real question.

Regarding whether loads and loads of people all can be wrong, sure they can, just look at Christianity for example, here we have more than a billion people who believe a son of a carpenter, 2000 years ago, could walk on liquid water.

I'm no "Happy Clapper" but i could point you to information where people have literally risen from their death beds who've been dying from terminal cancer because of their belief in that "Carpenters son"
Going for peoples faith is a low blow ....Respect

Yes, belief can be a strong "cure", trust me I know. The human body sometimes works in mysterious ways indeed. But it doesnt matter how much, or hard, you believe that a UFO is an alien spacship, if its not.


*Im no "Happy Clapper" either.