Excuse me, but no, you dont. Your experience does not permit you access to every single classified project in the world, does it?

You seem to be under the mistaken assumption that the people responsible for super secret craft such as these (assuming they are creating them) give a damn about all those regulations.

Sure, with projects like the F-22 and the JSF, and other such projects which can be readily identified as government projects, theres more of a reason for them to follow those regulations. but with exotic technology as this? What's anyone going to do to them?

Catch them? Hah. With what? There have been occasions where the US broke its own laws, this can happen again, when dealing with such projects.

So what's your point? They could be flying in from space (deep space? Excuse me, but what kind of radar does NORAD have to be able to track objects that small up to such ranges as to be classified "deep space"?),

yet they could still be man made, or natural phenomena

This...

Seconds after Heading Speed Altitude
lock-on (degrees) (knots) (feet)

00 200 150 7000
01 200 150 7000
02 200 150 7000
03 200 150 7000
04 sharp 200 acceleration 150 6000
05 turn 270 = 22 g 560 6000
06 270 560 6000
07 270 570 6000
08 270 560 7000
09 270 550 7000
10 210 560 9000
11 210 570 10000
12 210 560 11000
13 210 570 10000
14 270 770 7000
15 270 770 6000
16 270 780 6000
17 270 790 5000
18 290 1010 4000
19 290 1000 3000
20 290 990 2000
21 290 990 1000
22 300 990 0000
22.5 300 980 0000 Break lock


...is not evidence.
It is an alleged data set, with nothing to substantiate it's authenticity.

It does indicate some extraordinary, if not impossible movement. It is thus dubious, although not necessarily false (anything's possible...although the explanation may be less-than-forthcoming).


A 1 second 70 degree right turn, with a 22 g velocity acceleration...plus the acelleration from the turn itself...and impossibility for any aerodynamic structure men have built to endure...nor for any human to endure without having some sort of problem. Must've been alien!

1000 FPS (681 SMPH) vertical climb in one second (at the 8 second mark)...then, suspersonic climb rate of over 1200 MPH a couple seconds later (10 second mark)....climbing 2000 feet, and all the while the velocity is reading 560 knots...hmmm. That would imply a massive actual velocity acceleration in order to maintain horizontal velocity (on the order of 12 g's). Amazing stuff.

We continue to see massive vertical acellerations up, and down, and horizontal velocity accelerations of immense scale, and at 18 seconds we see about a -15g diving turn and a 700 MPH vertical velocity from 5000 feet...right into the ground...woops.

Shock waves, sonic booms, immense crater anyone?

Ought to be some records of all this.
At any rate, this supposed data set proves little, as it is unidentified and unsubstantiated.


There is no way to conclude anything about this data.

No? We didnt? How do you know? When dealing with such extraordinary explanations such as "they're alien craft", why is it so much less possible for the equally extraordinary explanation "they're ultra top secret human craft" to be true?

Thats simply an indication that there was something wrong with guaging its speed or even its existence. Unless some ultry high technology (which would have no purpose what so ever) would be used to prevent hearing a sonic boom, physics dictates there was a sonic boom. No sonic boom, no hypersonic object.

"In reality, there is no machine made by man either an airplane or a missile that is capable of such performance. Specifically, flying at the speed of sound without making a sonic boom.”

When the pilots first locked on the object, it was at 7000 ft. Within seconds it climbed to 10,000 ft. then, incredibly, plummeted to 500' in only 5 seconds. At the same time, the object accelerated to 990 knots, more than 1000 mph, 1 1/2 times the speed of sound. That combination of acceleration and descent would have been fatal to a human pilot.

Colonel W.J.L. De Brouwer

"We measured some exceptional accelerations which cannot be related to conventional aircraft . . . that is clear. . . . The data on all this performances which were registered during the lock-ons on the radar, was totally outside of the normal performance envelope of any airplane."

Even though the craft exceeded the speed of sound, remarkably, there was no sonic boom on the ground.

MID about Skyeagles radar "evidence" back on the HOW DID THEY FIND US thread, page 85.

if one nation has mastered this tech they would rule the world........no modern known about fighter could challenge a saucer not even the Stealth..."

INTRODUCTORY SPACE SCIENCE - VOLUME II
CHAPTER ***III
UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS
DEPARTMENT OF PHYSICS - USAF
UNITED STATES AIR FORCE ACADEMY

“About ten o'clock one morning, a radar site near a fighter base picked up a UFO doing 700 mph. The UFO then slowed to 100 mph, and two F-86's were scrambled to intercept. Eventually one F-86 closed on the UFO at about 3,000 feet altitude.”

“ The UFO began to accelerate away but the pilot still managed to get within 500 yards of the target for a short period of time. It was definitely saucer-shaped. As the pilot pushed the F-86 at top speed, the UFO began to pull away. When the range reached 1,000 yards, the pilot armed his guns and fired in an attempt to down the saucer. He failed, and the UFO pulled away rapidly, vanishing in the distance.”

........747's take hours to get from coast to coast while saucer tech would take minutes........military jets get shot down........space shuttles blow up..........now you may say all my evidence is circumstantial........and i say enough circumstantial evidence will win you a case How does that prove that the tech isnt ours?

Fire Fighters UFO Manual (UFO)
Subject: Firefighters FEMA UFO training manual

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UFO Hazards

The two principal hazards noted with relation to UFOs have been attributed to powerful electrical fields which they can project in a general or localized area and the psychological effects they have produced on the general populace or individual contacts.

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Force Field Impact

The disruption of air and ground travel has often been reported in the presence of UFOs. The ignition systems of auto and aircraft engines have apparently been affected by energized force fields to such an extent as to stop their operation; the headlights and radios have also ceased to function. Here are a couple of examples. In Buenos Aires, on March 29, 1978, "A strange force shut off their engine and headlights of their Citroen CG, lifted it 15 feet off the road, then set it down a minute later and 75 miles to the north." The driver had noticed a yellow and violet light shining in his rear view mirror while driving the last leg of a long stock car race, and he realized that it was approaching too fast to be a competitor. A month later a Colombian bank manager and a navy officer had their car headlights go off when buzzed by a UFO, with the navy man suffering temporary paralysis. Other South American countries in which similar actions were reported around that time included Argentina, Chile, Peru, and Uruguay.(61)

These effects have also been noted to influence the controls and instruments of aircraft, e.g., the pilot of a Piper PH-24 reported that his controls became inoperable when he was approached by three disk-shaped objects, 10 to 12 feet in diameter, over Mexico City on May 3,1975.(62) Similar cases have been reported by military pilots, illustrated by the classic case of the near mid-air collision of an army helicopter with a UFO on October 18, 1973, over Ohio, where not only did both the UHF and VHF radio wave- lengths go dead temporarily, but the downward movement of the helicopter with its four occupants was levitated upward by a green beam from the UFO in time to prevent its crash into the ground.(63)

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Communications Disruption

In addition to the impedance of radio transmissions and reception, such as that described in the preceding incident, telephone interference has occurred, illustrated by the chagrin of President Lyndon Johnson in having his conversation from the Texas White House cut off while talking to assistants in Washington, D.C.(64) The ability to render inoperable all electronic forms of communications, including those that control the launching of defense weapons systems, has been considered within the range of UFO capability. Whether this could extend to the erasing of recorded computer data such as bank records, personnel data, FBI, CIA, and NSA files, along with critical information of every kind, is not beyond the realm of possibility.

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Regional Power Blackouts

It has long been suspected that UFOs have the capability of blacking out a city, state, or many states by exerting a force field sufficient to overload the circuits of public and private utility installations. "Few things are more disturbing than to be plunged into pitch darkness without warning; it is dangerous for masses of people. It paralyzes cities, blocks highways, stops trains, leaves elevators suspended between floors. In general it simply plays hell with the modern way of life."(65) You would think that the power companies would have achieved sufficient reliability in their high tech systems that a mass failure such as that which blacked out New York and New England in 1965 would never happen--but it did. Although, as we have mentioned before, it was known that UFO activity was associated with disturbances with compasses. instruments, ignition systems, radios, etc., it was inconceivable that it could also interfere with generation and distribution of electrical power. Such a connection was also inferred in November 1953, when a glowing red object went over a residential area of New Haven, Connecticut, causing lights to dim out on both sides of the object's path and then come on when it went out of sight.

Power failures were also reported in association with UFOs in Brazil in 1957 to l959~ Rome, Italy, in 1958; and Mexico in 1965. Likewise, in Uberlandia, where the power station operators promptly closed the circuits when the UFO apparently caused them to open, it did no good, and they were unable to restore the power until the UFO departed.

"The Granddaddy of all blackouts to date was the stygian blanket that fell over 30 million people in the northeastern corner of the U.S. during the early evening rush hour period on November 9, 1965."(66) Relay services that were supposed to automatically transfer the load in case of failure in one area to an alternate source malfunctioned. Military communications relying on public power without alternate backup systems also failed, but communications were operable to make a quick public announcement that there was no military emergency. Though it was largely over by the next morning, the official explanation about a malfunctioning small device in a Canadian hydroelectric generating plant never accounted for the failure of millions of dollars worth of electronic devices to shift the load when the breakdown occurred.

http://www.greatdreams.com/ufos/firefighters.htm

"The pilot of the plane had to accomplish a desperate escape maneuver not to collide with an unidentified flying object (UFO)" said several members of the Argentine military air forces. These testimonies were confirmed by Major Jorge Oviedo himself who "also saw a UFO" and who stated that "a power failure occurred at the same time in the city and all recording and measure apparatus at the airport were jammed". Several inhabitants claimed they saw the UFO just before the power failure.

As I was almost landing, the runway lights and those of the airport shut off at once. I therefore had to apply full throttle to climb again to 3 000 feet, tempting to perform an escape maneuver, but always accompanied by the UFO, which eventually climbed at a supernatural speed. I did not believe my eyes and I was very anxious, as were my fellow crew members " added Polanco who stated that " the UFO was not moving in accordance with known laws of nature and physics ".

On August 11, 1995, a school teacher and a fireman of the City of Cutral Co, located 900 km S-W of Buenos Aires, claimed that they saw and even taped a UFO that was "flying" at a very low altitude. According to Luis Luna, the school teacher, a power failure occurred while the phenomenon passed over town.

http://www.ufocom.org/UfocomS/usbariloche.htm

MID about Skyeagles radar "evidence" back on the HOW DID THEY FIND US thread, page 85.

MID about Skyeagles radar "evidence" back on the HOW DID THEY FIND US thread, page 85.

Secret aircraft must abide by flight regulations as any other military aircraft and there is no exception.

yet UFOs have been known to do just that and create flight hazards to commercial and military air traffic.

...one other thing i would like to add.........i think some here are making an assumption that shouldnt be made........just like skeptics want to remind us that UFO doesnt mean alien made.....i would like to remind everyone alien made doesnt mean extraterrestrial........the UFOs can be alien made and still from earth

Is that the same MID that told me that globel warming was not being caused by humans? Anyone read or watched the news latley!!!!!!!!!! lol

that is one point i dont agree with......certain factions of our government do anything they want and damn the consequences...the list goes on and on......so dont try and claim they have to abide by the same rules as everyone else

just how do they log a flight plan ? ................they call the local airports and tell them to ignore the SR-71 shaped blips on the radar screen ?

this however i see as seriously helping the case for the UFO's not being our tech.......UFO's have been reported several times to have buzzed and basically played games with commercial airliners.......i cant understand how anyone can think for a second government pilots would be so careless........isnt that proof enough that atleast some of the UFO craft arent ours ?

one other thing i would like to add.........i think some here are making an assumption that shouldnt be made........just like skeptics want to remind us that UFO doesnt mean alien made.....i would like to remind everyone alien made doesnt mean extraterrestrial........the UFOs can be alien made and still from earth

Hazzard!! when sky was talking about the radar evidence, you did not understand.

When MID was giving his opinions, you most prob still did not understand, but because it came from MID, you instantly think that the evidence has been de-bunked, and thats the sad thing today when it comes to the ufo subject.

People come to conclusions on things they know nothing about.

Yes I can explain..THE UNEXPLAINED... What im really am is a child like kid on myspace.com/ericc1980 who was born ON time in the 80's with a gene manipulation over the years on reasearch by U.F.O'S...IM 1 in a billion.. with a 6th sense, then how do you figure born On 1980 aligned with the leo constellation and my pics on http://www.myspace.com/ericc1980 with a child face at 30 years old? genes and dreams?

Uh? Ok, I'll ask; what does this then indicate? Do you mean that ETs are based here on Earth making these UFOs (as in UFOs=ET craft)? Or, do you mean that humans have somehow obtained UFOs (or the technology to build UFOs) from ET? Or, are you saying something else that I'm not understanding properly?

If we didn't have saucer-shaped flying crafts capable of hypersonic flight and right-angled maneuvers at over 40 Gs in 1952, then we didn't have them, which simply means those flying crafts were not those of mankind.

Of course it can be proven! After all, present any aircraft today that can mimic the performance figures of those flying crafts during the 1950's.

Well! If it wasn't known to man today, then it couldn't have been that of mankind if mankind was unaware of it.