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The Muse
For the past five decades the human race has been caught between two worlds, two paradigms. While millions of people worldwide have come to understand they are not alone in the universe, that an extraterrestrial presence has become manifest about the planet, the governments of the world, frozen in place by fear and indecision, have been unable to publicly engage this new reality.

Stephen Bassett, is a lobbyist, activist, commentator and columnist. He is the founder of the Paradigm Research Group and the Executive Director of the political action committee, X-PPAC. His work has been referenced in, among others, the Washington Post, Washington Times, New York Times, Legal Times, Christian Science Monitor, National Journal and O'Dweyer's Washington Report. He has been featured in documentaries and a guest on numerous radio programs addressing the "Politics of Disclosure."

In this highly spirited and passionate interview, Stephen calls on every citizen to demand the proof of extra terrestrial life that we intuitively already know exists. Get ready to be inspired and motivated!

Proof of Life
http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/sbassett.htm
isis-999
If you dig a little deeper you'll find that the USA is the really the only government that hide's the facts about UFO's from it's citizen's......I think once other countrys find more proof the US will have to come clean, already countries like Mexico and Russia and even Japan are open on this subject...... alien.gif
hazzard
Most people on the planet would agree that chances are good that we are not alone in the galaxy. Not to mention the entire universe. There is still no proof though. Sure, people are free to believe what they like.

Me, I dont deal in belief, I deal in knowledge. Bottom line, the evidence for extraterrestrial visitors has not in any way convinced the scientific community.

The fact that so many UFO and alien sightings conform to rather standard depictions is taken by some as evidence that the observers are not mistaken. They must be seeing the same things!? I think that its more likely that they see what they see because of their expectations, which are based on stereotypes created largely by the mass media, movies and tv shows. In this respect, and maybe some others as well, UFO an alien sightings might be compared to Santa Claus sightings.

Several recent television shows have soberly addressed the possibility that alien craft are violating our air space, occasionally touching down long enough to allow their crews to conduct bizarre (and, in most states, illegal) experiments on helpless citizens. While these shows tantalize viewers by suggesting that they are finally going to get to the bottom of the so-called “UFO debate”, they never do. That bottom seems perennially out of reach.
Exeter
It strikes me funny how "the government" can be considered both a God-like entity that can withhold the truth of UFOs from millions of people, and a leaky sieve of information that anyone can find in books or the internet.
shun
What can I say? Perhaps guilt by association?

The link goes to a site, with a perhaps tolerable lead video. However, there are further selections offered, most notably George Green (The Big Picture). It should be seen by anyone interested in the credulity of non-discerning individuals...

He says he used to raise cattle, and later moved with important policy makers. I believe the ranching story. As for the rest, I 'll just characterize by saying that cattle produce material which must dealt with, and so forth.

isis-999
Maybe it's a type of disinformation who knows really..But i have to say the video didn't do anything for me really.....
Lilly
QUOTE(The Muse @ Feb 3 2007, 08:05 AM) [snapback]1527803[/snapback]
... Stephen calls on every citizen to demand the proof of extra terrestrial life that we intuitively already know exists.


This is the area that's the problem. This gentleman starts with the fore gone conclusion that ET is already here on Earth and demands the proof of such because such proof obviously exists...because ET is already here on Earth! Circular reasoning anyone?


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Get ready to be inspired and motivated!


No, "inspired and motivated" are not the words I'd choose.
Unlimited
governments know et exists....it's just none of your business. your business is going to work. and paying taxes into that govt that shields you from the truth!...and maybe as a bonus you can produce a few soldiers for them...I watched the US govt investigate a UFO landing sight for eight hours..USAF and NASA so I know they know.... disgust.gif
Bella-Angelique
QUOTE(Exeter @ Feb 3 2007, 06:01 AM) [snapback]1527883[/snapback]
It strikes me funny how "the government" can be considered both a God-like entity that can withhold the truth of UFOs from millions of people, and a leaky sieve of information that anyone can find in books or the internet.


The USA is a leaky sieve. I think 20 to 30 million illegals have proven that. Tech and trained people are only worth something if they are actually used.
hazzard
QUOTE(limited @ Feb 3 2007, 03:09 PM) [snapback]1527995[/snapback]
...I watched the US govt investigate a UFO landing sight for eight hours..USAF and NASA so I know they know.... disgust.gif


Were you the one that called them to the landsight?
Stellar
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I watched the US govt investigate a UFO landing sight for eight hours..USAF and NASA so I know they know....


Why should we believe you? Your past claims havent come true...
Unlimited
QUOTE(hazzard @ Feb 3 2007, 04:07 PM) [snapback]1528094[/snapback]
Were you the one that called them to the landsight?


yes...
Pax Unum
QUOTE(limited @ Feb 3 2007, 08:09 AM) [snapback]1527995[/snapback]
I watched the US govt investigate a UFO landing sight for eight hours..USAF and NASA so I know they know.... disgust.gif

your credibility is lacking, I think this is more BS...
skyeagle409
QUOTE(hazzard @ Feb 3 2007, 10:40 AM) [snapback]1527879[/snapback]
Most people on the planet would agree that chances are good that we are not alone in the galaxy. Not to mention the entire universe. There is still no proof though. Sure, people are free to believe what they like.

Me, I dont deal in belief, I deal in knowledge. Bottom line, the evidence for extraterrestrial visitors has not in any way convinced the scientific community.


Actually, there are scientist who believe that ET visitation has been taking place here. Even astronomers have recorded their own UFO sightings.

SCIENCE IN DEFAULT:
22 YEARS OF INADEQUATE UFO INVESTIGATIONS


James E. McDonald, Institute of Atmospheric Physics
University of Arizona, Tucson

(Material presented at the Symposium on UFOs,
134th Meeting, AAAS, Boston, Dec, 27, 1969)

http://www.cufon.org/cufon/mcdon2.htm

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The fact that so many UFO and alien sightings conform to rather standard depictions is taken by some as evidence that the observers are not mistaken. They must be seeing the same things!? I think that its more likely that they see what they see because of their expectations, which are based on stereotypes created largely by the mass media, movies and tv shows. In this respect, and maybe some others as well, UFO an alien sightings might be compared to Santa Claus sightings.
I seriously doubt that, especially when there are tons and tons of data evidence that supported the eyewitness accounts of artificial flying objects whose performance characteristics firmly excluded balloons and other conventional aircraft, and the data shows that these flying objects were flying much faster (over 9000 mph) than the X-15 years before that craft even flew and which never flew beyond 6000 mph, a UFO was clocked at over 7200 mph over the Washington D.C. area in 1952.

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TIME Magazine - August 4, 1952

SCIENCE:

Blips on the Scopes

"Air traffic was light at Washington Airport one midnight last week, and the radar scope of the Civil Aeronautics Authority was almost clear. At 12:40 a.m. a group of bright blips showed. The operator estimated that they were about 15 miles southwest of Washington. Then the blips disappeared abruptly and reappeared a few seconds later over northeast Washington. The operator called his boss, Senior Controller Harry Barnes, 39, a graduate of the Buffalo Technical Institute who has worked for the CAA as an electronics expert since 1941. The operator told Barnes: "Here are some flying saucers for you."

"Barnes laughed at first, but the blips kept popping up all over the scope. They sometimes hovered, sometimes flew slowly and sometimes incredibly fast. Technicians checked the radar; it was in good working order."

Over the White House.
"Barnes began to worry when he saw the blips apparently flying over the White House and other prohibited areas. He called the airport control tower. Sure enough, its radar showed the strange blips too. When the towermen measured the speed of a fast blip, they found that it had flown for eight miles at 7,200 m.p.h."

http://www.project1947.com/fig/1952a.htm

http://www.globalaircraft.org/planes/x-15_hyper.pl

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In the case of the TV programs in question, undeniable evidence that can be re-examined time and time again, were also presented

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Several recent television shows have soberly addressed the possibility that alien craft are violating our air space, occasionally touching down long enough to allow their crews to conduct bizarre (and, in most states, illegal) experiments on helpless citizens.


Violations of civilian and military airspaces by UFOs are well-known and have been reported in the media from time to time and many of those accounts are also backed by data and other evidence that corroborated the eyewitness accounts.
The Muse
QUOTE(shun @ Feb 3 2007, 12:47 PM) [snapback]1527937[/snapback]
What can I say? Perhaps guilt by association?

The link goes to a site, with a perhaps tolerable lead video. However, there are further selections offered, most notably George Green (The Big Picture). It should be seen by anyone interested in the credulity of non-discerning individuals...

He says he used to raise cattle, and later moved with important policy makers. I believe the ranching story. As for the rest, I 'll just characterize by saying that cattle produce material which must dealt with, and so forth.


YES, George is awesome! I have his book that he gives away for free at www.NoHoax.com, and I have the DVD's of The Big Picture. If anyone is interested in hearing what he has to say, here are the links.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=42...16273&hl=en

The Big Picture

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/ggreen.htm
http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/ggreen2.htm

skyeagle409
QUOTE(isis-999 @ Feb 3 2007, 08:50 AM) [snapback]1527837[/snapback]
If you dig a little deeper you'll find that the USA is the really the only government that hide's the facts about UFO's from it's citizen's......I think once other countrys find more proof the US will have to come clean, already countries like Mexico and Russia and even Japan are open on this subject...... alien.gif


Even China, Chile, India, Belgium, France, Peru, Brazil, Agentina, and other nations around the globe are more open than the USA but I expect the position of the USA to change eventually because there are those within our government, including those in the military, who are becoming more and more vocal on what they know about UFOs.
skyeagle409
EXTRATERRESTRIAL CONTACT: Analysis & Implications

http://www.ufoevidence.org/Analysis.htm#An...0the%20Evidence
the_UNKNOWN_DEAD
QUOTE(skyeagle409 @ Feb 3 2007, 12:26 PM) [snapback]1528307[/snapback]
...I expect the position of the USA to change eventually...


I've been hearing that from believers for the last 30+ years...the "truth" is always just about to be revealed.

You will pardon me if I don't take your word for it.

QUOTE(skyeagle409 @ Feb 3 2007, 12:38 PM) [snapback]1528330[/snapback]
EXTRATERRESTRIAL CONTACT: Analysis & Implications


Why should I listen to a group of people who find it necessary to attack skeptics simply because they require evidence before believing?? It just seems rather odd that instead of taking the time to prove themselfs correct, they spend that time trying to show that skeptics are somehow biased against them.

All that I have ever asked (from believers) is that they present evidence that is conclusive...something that can ONLY be explained by alien visitors.

...but that seems to be too much to ask...
Unlimited
QUOTE(Pax Unum @ Feb 3 2007, 06:44 PM) [snapback]1528231[/snapback]
your credibility is lacking, I think this is more BS...


call them and ask them........
skyeagle409
QUOTE(the_UNKNOWN_DEAD @ Feb 3 2007, 09:17 PM) [snapback]1528375[/snapback]
I've been hearing that from believers for the last 30+ years...the "truth" is always just about to be revealed.You will pardon me if I don't take your word for it.


The trend has already began and actually, more and more UFO revelations have been coming from government officials themselves over the past 10 years, much more than the previous 3 decades so in that respect, it is just a matter of time.

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Why should I accept evidence from a group of people who find it necessary to attack skeptics simply because they require evidence before believing??
Actually, the UFO evidence in question has nothing to do with believers, since much of the evidence were handed out by government officials and other credible sources, including those within the military and there are tons of documents available under the Freedom of Information Act and other credible sources to underline my point.

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It just seems rather odd that instead of taking the time to prove themselfs correct, they spend that time trying to show that skeptics are somehow biased against them.


Considering what I have been reading in the past, the facts plainly speak for themselves. After all, there are skeptics who continue to take the word from skeptical websites that have proven track records for getting their facts all wrong and I can list a few excellent cases to underline that point as well.

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All that I have ever asked (from believers) is that they present evidence that is conclusive...something that can ONLY be explained by alien visitors.

...but that seems to be too much to ask...


I have posted data evidence on numerous occasions in the past and challenged skeptics to refute what the data depicts. What I got were rewritten notes on the laws of physics in order for the data to depict what wasn't depicted even though I had the backing of commercial and military pilots, air traffic control personnel and radar controllers, meteorologist and even other scientist and engineers themselves yet I continued to be met with skepticism ffrom the skeptics despite the backing from those experts. In other words, the skeptics know more than the experts themselves on the issue of UFOs yet they continue to take their cues from those closed-minded skeptical websites.

That simply told me that they did not understand what the data evidence depicted or perhaps, they do not want to know what the data evdience depicts.
itsnotoutthere
But still............there is nothing
skyeagle409
QUOTE(itsnotoutthere @ Feb 3 2007, 09:52 PM) [snapback]1528410[/snapback]
But still............there is nothing


On the contrary, there's a lot more that we know that we didn't know 20 years ago and now, even astronauts and cosmoanuts are talking UFO reality.
skyeagle409
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Military Nuclear Specialists Testify To UFO Reality

Military Nuclear Specialists Testify To UFO Reality

"Several military and intelligence witnesses who were Strategic
Air Command ...SAC) and other nuclear specialists have come
forward with testimony proving that UFOs are real and appear to
be concerned about our nuclear weapons."


It is just a matter of time!


the_UNKNOWN_DEAD
QUOTE(skyeagle409 @ Feb 3 2007, 01:32 PM) [snapback]1528393[/snapback]
The trend has already began and actually, more and more UFO revelations have been coming from government officials themselves over the past 10 years...snip...much of the evidence were handed out by government officials and other credible sources.


So as long as the "officials" are telling you what you want to hear, then they are credible?? But if they are saying that there are no aliens, they are not?

If must be nice to have the ability to pick and choose what you will accept...sure makes it easier to be a believer, doesn't it.

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...there are skeptics who continue to take the word from skeptical websites that have proven track records for getting their facts all wrong and I can list a few excellent cases to underline that point as well.


But that's not what I am talking about. I don't give a damn what any particular skeptical website says. I care about being shown that there are actually aliens visiting this planet, and the evidence for that must be convincing to me.

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I had the backing of commercial and military pilots, ATC and radar controllers and meteorologist and even scientist and engineers themselves yet I continued to be met with denials and skepticism for the skeptics despite the backing from the experts.
I on't care who agrees with you...I want to know
where is the physical evidence of spaceships?? Where are the live aliens? (or their bodies?) Where is the conclusive proof that what you say is actually real??

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...they do not want to know what the data evdience depicts.


That is so ridiculous, it doesn't deserve a response.

What you consider evidence simply is not. Nothing you can say will change the fact that you are allowing yourself to believe your conclusion without the foundation of evidence necessary to reach that conclusion.

You are fooling yourself, and that is where our differences lie...I will not allow myself to be fooled by faulty "evidence"



skyeagle409
QUOTE(the_UNKNOWN_DEAD @ Feb 3 2007, 10:13 PM) [snapback]1528432[/snapback]
So as long as the "officials" are telling you what you want to hear, then they are credible?? But if they are saying that there are no aliens, they are not?


It is not just a matter of what I am hearing from them, it is also a matter of what I understand about what the data evidence they have been releasing, depicts.

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If must be nice to have the ability to pick and choose what you will accept...sure makes it easier to be a believer, doesn't it.
I have often said in the past that knowledge gives you the abillity to know when to hold 'em, or when to throw 'em. Without knowledge, you are at the mercy of those who think they know it all, but in reality, they don't.

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But that's not what I am talking about. I don't give a damn what any particular skeptical website says. I care about being shown that there are actually aliens visiting this planet, and the evidence for that must be convincing to me.


The data evidence has been convincing enough even for the experts. Ask Stanton Friedman what he thinks.

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I on't care who agrees with you...I want to know where is the physical evidence of spaceships??
Wright-Patterson AFB, OH.

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Where are the live aliens? (or their bodies?) Where is the conclusive proof that what you say is actually real??
That is so ridiculous, it doesn't deserve a response.


Wright-Patterson AFB

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You are fooling yourself, and that is where our differences lie...I will not allow myself to be fooled by faulty "evidence"


Hardly being fooled, since I witnessed a true saucer-shaped flying object myself and I understand enough to know what the data evidence reveals.
Stellar
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call them and ask them........


I tried. They said they'd be here on Christmas... but, suprise suprise, they were a no show.
Stellar
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Wright-Patterson AFB


How do you know? Can I see those ships and bodies personally?
the_UNKNOWN_DEAD
QUOTE(skyeagle409 @ Feb 3 2007, 02:23 PM) [snapback]1528445[/snapback]
Wright-Patterson AFB


How very convinent it is for you to name a military base that the average person has no access to...

In other words, if you can't prove it, then it is worthless to say it....

Fact is you post a lot of stuff you can't prove. It's a good thing for you that you don't need proof...all you need is your own blind belief.
Pax Unum
QUOTE(limited @ Feb 3 2007, 03:25 PM) [snapback]1528382[/snapback]
call them and ask them........

LOL, and what, ask if a guy named 'limited' called in a UFO report? you must be kidding... like when you claimed trillions of federation ships would arrive at Christmas, or did they get lost passing Uranus? grin2.gif
Unlimited
QUOTE(Pax Unum @ Feb 4 2007, 01:24 AM) [snapback]1528617[/snapback]
LOL, and what, ask if a guy named 'limited' called in a UFO report? you must be kidding... like when you claimed trillions of federation ships would arrive at Christmas, or did they get lost passing Uranus? grin2.gif


the ships are out there watch some of those NASA videos...they are cloaked NASA knows it....the enlightenments on easter..I was bluffing the NSA/CIA complex. who read these boards; and who you might be..with the xmas date...everyone knows the revelations on easter.
skyeagle409
QUOTE(Stellar @ Feb 3 2007, 11:11 PM) [snapback]1528483[/snapback]
How do you know? Can I see those ships and bodies personally?


That is where the clues lead.

For instance, the Air Force's ETOS, 1948, which stated that some UFOs were "interplanetary spaceships," originated at Wright-Patterson AFB. It was from Wright-Patterson AFB where a detachment was sent to Alaska to film UFOs in flight and they were quite successful according to one of the officers involved. A former commander of Wright-Pattersn AFB also stated that alien beings and their bodies were sent to his base for examinations, which corroborates testimony from other military witnesses, engineers and scientist and other civilian workers at Wright-Patterson AFB. It was Wright-Patterson AFB where the Roswell debris was sent, not to mention the FBI memo stating where some of the debris were sent, which was Wright-Patterson AFB. Wright-Patterson AFB is where Senator Barry Goldwater wanted to take a look but was denied.

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Intelligence Chairman
Armed Services
Tactical Warfare.Chair

UNITED STATES SENATE Preparedness
Washington D.C. 20510 Strategic Nuclear Force
Communications Chairman
Aviation

Science Technology and Space
Indian Affairs
October 19,1981


Mr. Lee M. Grahan:
526 West Maple
Monrovia, California 91016


Dear Mr.Graham:

First, let me tell you that I have long ago give up acquiring access to the so-called Blue Room at Wright-Patterson, as I have had one long string of deials from chief after chief, so I have give up.

In answer to your questions, "one is essentially correct." I don't know of anyone who has access to the "Blue Room," nor am I aware of its contents and I am not aware of anything having been relocated. I can't answer your question six, in fact, I can't find anyone who would answer it.

To tell you the truth, Mr Graham, "this thing has gotten so highly classified," ecen though I will admit there is a lot of it that has been released, "it is just impossible to get anything on it."

I am returning your papers because I know they are of value to you.

Sincerely,

Barry Goldwater

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Arizona Aeronautical & Space Sci. Armed Services
Preparedness Inv Subcommit

UNITED STATES SCNATE Tactical Air Power Subcomm
Washington D.C. 20510 N. S. Naval Petroleum
Reserves Subcommittee
March 28, 1975

Mr.Shlomo Arnon
U.C.L.A. Experimental College
308 Westwood Plaza
Los Angeles, California 90024


Dear Mr.Arnon:

The subject of UFOs is one that has interested me for some time. About ten or twelve years ago I made an effort to find out what was in the building at Wright Patterson Air Force Base where the information is stored that has been collected by the Air Force, and I was understandably denied this request.

It is still classified above Top Secret. I have, however, heard that there is a plan under way to release some, if not all, of this material in the near future. I'm just as anxious to see this material as you are, and I hope we will not have to wait too much longer.

Sincerely.

Barry Goldwater



And, this on Wright-Patterson AFB, thanks to Cinders, which aired on The History Channel.

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=82746

There are all kinds of other clues as well that point directly at Wright-Patterson AFB.






Stellar
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That is where the clues lead.


In that case its not evidence.
skyeagle409
QUOTE(the_UNKNOWN_DEAD @ Feb 4 2007, 12:40 AM) [snapback]1528577[/snapback]
How very convinent it is for you to name a military base that the average person has no access to...

In other words, if you can't prove it, then it is worthless to say it....


The public has access to Wright-Patterson AFB.

http://www.openlist.com/hotels-view-323279...m-dayton-oh.htm

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Fact is you post a lot of stuff you can't prove. It's a good thing for you that you don't need proof...all you need is your own blind belief.


Once again, follow the clues where they lead.
Stellar
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Once again, follow the clues where they lead.


The *clues* can very well lead there, but unless we have the ability to verify that space ships and ET bodies are held at the AFB, you can not use it as evidence.
skyeagle409
QUOTE(Stellar @ Feb 4 2007, 02:44 AM) [snapback]1528693[/snapback]
In that case its not evidence.


Of course it's evidence! Follow the clues where they lead.
skyeagle409
QUOTE(Stellar @ Feb 4 2007, 02:47 AM) [snapback]1528698[/snapback]
The *clues* can very well lead there, but unless we have the ability to verify that space ships and ET bodies are held at the AFB, you can not use it as evidence.


Using your logic, there is no evidence that Pluto exist either. After all, what direct physical evidence on hand can you provide that proves its existence? Fuzzy photos?!
Stellar
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Using your logic, there is no evidence that Pluto exist either.


How so? Please... explain to me how my logic means that there's no evidence that Pluto exists!
skyeagle409
QUOTE(Stellar @ Feb 4 2007, 02:51 AM) [snapback]1528704[/snapback]
How so? Please... explain to me how my logic means that there's no evidence that Pluto exists!


Where's the on-hand physical evidence?
Stellar
Youve got satellite telemetry, telescopes, all which confirm its presence.
skyeagle409
QUOTE(Stellar @ Feb 4 2007, 03:05 AM) [snapback]1528716[/snapback]
Youve got satellite telemetry, telescopes, all which confirm its presence.



I can provide the same kind of evidence from the sources you'd provided that proves the existence of UFOs plus added data from airborne and ground-based radar and ELINT systems, military video and still cameras and much more, data evidence that we don't have available on Pluto but currently available on UFOs, not to mention physical evidence left behind on terra firma at UFO landing sites.

What direct physical evidence do we have available on Earth that came directly from Pluto?
Stellar
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I can provide the same kind of evidence from the sources you'd provided that proves the existence of UFOs plus added data from airborne and ground-based radar and ELINT systems, military video and still cameras and much more, data evidence that we don't have available on Pluto but currently available on UFOs, not to mention physical evidence left behind on terra firma at UFO landing sites.


Do it. Show me this evidence which proves that those UFOs can be nothing but extraterrestrial in origine. I dare you.
skyeagle409
QUOTE(Stellar @ Feb 4 2007, 03:21 AM) [snapback]1528734[/snapback]
Do it. Show me this evidence which proves that those UFOs can be nothing but extraterrestrial in origine. I dare you.


Okay! This for starters.


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Seconds after Heading Speed Altitude lock-on (degrees) (knots) (feet) 00 200 150 7000 01 200 150 7000 02 200 150 7000 03 200 150 7000 04 sharp 200 acceleration 150 6000 05 turn 270 = 22 g 560 6000 06 270 560 6000 07 270 570 6000 08 270 560 7000 09 270 550 7000 10 210 560 9000 11 210 570 10000 12 210 560 11000 13 210 570 10000 14 270 770 7000 15 270 770 6000 16 270 780 6000 17 270 790 5000 18 290 1010 4000 19 290 1000 3000 20 290 990 2000 21 290 990 1000 22 300 990 0000 22.5 300 980 0000 Break lock

The data came from this radar system.

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/vault/9054/belradar.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/vault/9054/prescon.jpg

The Silver Thong
QUOTE(Stellar @ Feb 3 2007, 08:21 PM) [snapback]1528734[/snapback]
Do it. Show me this evidence which proves that those UFOs can be nothing but extraterrestrial in origine. I dare you.



Actually I like Skyeagle's way of conforming this argument. It proves a very valid point, what proof can you provide that say's Pluto is actually there? Like Skyeagel said nothing but fuzzy photo's. Well I sure can say that there are thousands apon thousands of pic's like that depicting alien craft. That were also caught on radar depicting telemitry these are real but unexplained. Or as we should call it craft that man kind can not possibly make. Hence if we want to call all the sightings black op's then wow we are way ahead of our time. Or if you want to call them weather phenomena wow call the local weather man/radar operators/NASA/airports/harbors ext. If these were a weather phenomena I think the study into them would be extensive. It's not, so why is this phenomena left alone and not given the full respect it deserves. The believers are always tasked with give me proof that they are alien, I would like evidence that shows they are either man made or weather related or due to swamp gas. GIVE me evidence as to what they are and not to what thay are not.... If this can be explained away then explain away and tell the world what these things are. I'm not talking about flying rod's that are bugs, or crop circles made by kids. We can't explain it because it is beyond our comprehension and science care's little to look into it. We are told that it is not alien so we believe it we are also told that physic's does not alow what is happining to happen. I for one am not convinced in alien contact but I will deffinitly keep my mind open to the possibility. Science has a responsibility to explain what is happining and so far science has failed. Is that due to the fact the topic is taboo? probably.
skyeagle409
QUOTE(Stellar @ Feb 4 2007, 03:21 AM) [snapback]1528734[/snapback]
Do it. Show me this evidence which proves that those UFOs can be nothing but extraterrestrial in origine. I dare you.


Do we have this kind of information from aircraft on planet Pluto? We have for UFOs!

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An Air Force aircrew as an intensely luminous light, followed by ground-radar and detected on ECM monitoring gear aboard the RB-47... An Air Force RB-47, equipped with electronic countermeasures (ECM) gear and manned by six officers, was followed by an unidentified object for a distance of well over 700 mi. and for a time period of 1.5 hr., as it flew from Mississippi, through Louisiana and Texas and into Oklahoma. The object was, at various times, seen visually by the cockpit crew as an intensely luminous light, followed by ground-radar and detected on ECM monitoring gear aboard the RB-47. Of special interest in this case are several instances of simultaneous appearances and disappearances on all three of those physically distinct "channels," and rapidity of maneuvers beyond the prior experience of the aircrew.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/rb47.html


Exeter
Skyeagle, those are all very good examples that prove unidentified flying objects do exist.

Sadly, however, they do not prove that those objects are extraterrestrial in origin. Still, they are intriguing sightings that remain unidentified.
Pax Unum
QUOTE(The Silver Thong @ Feb 3 2007, 09:52 PM) [snapback]1528766[/snapback]
what proof can you provide that say's Pluto is actually there?

you can see Pluto with a powerful telescope from your back yard, reliably. so there is something in a predicable orbit, we call that something Pluto... can you reliably view a UFO at will?
jaylemurph


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the ships are out there watch some of those NASA videos...they are cloaked NASA knows it....the enlightenments on easter..I was bluffing the NSA/CIA complex. who read these boards; and who you might be..with the xmas date...everyone knows the revelations on easter.



Oh, oh! Like the shrouded CyberWarships the Doctor finds in "Silver Nemesis" before he uses the Nemesis Statues' asteroid to blow them all up?! 'Cause they were cloaked, too! I liked that story!
Or the CIA agents the Doctor met who found the Bannermen warship that was looking for the Chimeron Queen in Wales in 1959, 'cause they were listening in on radios! That was a good story, too!

Oh wait... Wrong forum! I thought for a minute I was reading my Doctor Who forum!


--Jaylemurph
the_UNKNOWN_DEAD
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Using your logic, there is no evidence that Pluto exist either.


Once again you are incorrect. For one thing, Pluto's existance is not an extraordinary claim as alien UFO's are. For another, knowing the orbit of Pluto, we can predict where in the sky it will be...can you predict where the next alien UFO will be?

This Pluto nonsense shows that you are capable of attempting to confuse the issue. It also demonstrates that you are well aware of the shortcomings of your argument.

Try to stick to the subject...where is your evidence for alien visitors.

Oh...and before you list your "radar numbers" again, be aware that does not constitute evidence, no matter how much you would like it to.
Lilly
The evidence for KBOs and Dwarf Planets is not (quite reasonably) the same type of evidence required for alien visitation. Pluto is "out there", this is known. If ET is "out there", or "visiting here" is something yet to be determined.
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