As most are aware I believe the pyramids evolved from practical structures
which served to irrigate the desert. Possibly the Great Pyramid was constucted
because the water level was dropping all along the desert on west side of the Nile
which threatened all the irrigation. In this scenario the pyramid was primarily a
pump which could push water up many miles away.

More likely these were simply four sided dams which were overbuilt. They were
constructed at a time when the written word was new and all the old ways were
giving way to a new world where people specialized in narrow fields. It would have
been obvious to anyone who considered it that progress was going to become much
more rapid and people would become far more focused and specialized. The new
educated men would have knowledge primarily in increasingly narrow areas. The
old ways and old knowledge would not survive this transition. They wanted to leave
a monument not only to themselves but the human spirit. They wanted to leave a
symbol that man was much more than tool for digging in the dirt or designing rockets
which would take us to new worlds of dirt to scratch.

They knew the size and weight of the Earth. They could manipulate numbers and
solve equations though they probably hadn't discovered true algebra. They had a
better understanding of trigonometry. First and foremost they were artisans and
weren't afraid of hard work when there was a goal to achieve.

It was only much later when there was no longer enough water to grow crops that
these areas started to give way to use as cemetaries.

It's very unlikely that their location at the "center of the Earth" is anything more than
mere happenstance. They didn't have maps because they hadn't been able to sail all
over the world. They inscribe the Great Pyramid with their knowledge but it was lost
when the casing stone on which it was written was damaged and partially collapsed in
a 14th century earthquake.

There may have been many reasons it was built but the very fact that they could build
it may have been a very primary reason to do it.

Sorry about the misspelling in the title. I can't find how to edit it.


...but you can still put the opinions hear.

I think the most likely scenario is this:

they wanted to build something really really big and grande...

using ancient methods (roughly 4000 years ago...give or take) the only way they could do that was to build with a large base, and make each layer on top smaller and smaller to evenly distribute the weight.

Otherwise you build them up like a Jenga and...OH OHHHHHHH

bang crash boom

Are you giving up on your 'pump' theory?

What your now proposing is that the Giza pyramid(s) were effectively massive libraries - with the information set in stone.

Why the need for the internal features? Or is your suggestion that it is simply a large puzzle in its own right? An early 'pictogram' - with all the relevant knowledge etc cast into stone. Basically a massive benchmark.

In the same way that Stonehenge would appear to be means of keeping track of time - the Pyramids were a physical means of maintaining knowledge in (what they hoped) would be a pretty indestructible form.

If the above statement is true - then every single feature of the Pyramids should relate to something.

why not just covering what was there before but in a grand whay,its the location that is importan.

No, they had too much spare time.

if its just a huge water pump. how come we havent figured that out yet. where would the pumps , stopcocks etc etc be, we would have noticed it was a machine of some kind. wouldent we

I still like all the theories that have to do with waves and matter. light, sound, whatever... shapes, densities, etc... fun stuff. Soundshape Colordensity.
Think this is first I've heard of water pump.

I believe the pyramids were designed by ETs and built as landing/launching bases. And it will be revealed by 'reliable' sources soon!

i will have to agree with "They were bored" reply

as for et lanching pads and such.... if u are going to belive everything u see on tv Stop watching Stargate... and similar shows... Richard Dean Anderson is a great actor but come on now... when was the last time u seen spaceship land on top of a freaken pyramid ???? other than in stargate ???





P.S. stargate is great show but fact that people actually belive what they see on tv "SCARES ME"

Good questions?

While I'm not the first to consider it might be a pump, I did arrive at it
independently.

It should be noted that huge amounts of stone have been removed from
the Great Pyramid since it was breached in the 8th century AD. It was not
merely the stone from the breaching but a continual process which may have
ended only quite recently. There is a large pile that has been added to NE of
the main opening. Even Vyse pulled stone out that was "in the way" as well as
blasting the hole on the south side.

There are still a few things which are quite "pump-like" about the pyramid; Most
importantly is the ruins of a rope operated "valve" right outside the kings chamber.
This was a complicated contraption which lowered three large stones one at a time.
I believe it started on the outside toward the grand gallery. There are also two large
granite stones blocking the bottom of the ascending passage to this day. It's not pos-
sible to remove them without breaking them up and this stone is extremely hard. It
might be noted that one such stone could protect against tomb robbers just as well as
two, while one stone would serve as a one way valve and two as a stopper.

There is also a large stone which fits to seal off the grotto. Until someone figures ex-
actly how these chambers and passages were used as a pump we are left to specu-
late that a man was needed to be stationed in the grotto as the pump was operated
and needed to reset something in between each cycle. The configuration of this area
is most unusual and implies that the entire structure was revamped at one time. This
would be the original source of water and the route for the water in the first structures
which stood here. It was changed to a very thin wall agaist a large room. Perhaps
this was to maintain a sufficient air pocket for the operater in case this area flooded.
However a pump would work there couldn't have been great pressure changes here or
this thin wall would collapse. There are also some unusual characteristics in the "unfin-
ished chamber" under the pyramid which include what appears to be a lot of water er-
osion. This should have been the inlet when the system was switched over at the com-
pletion of the King's chamber. (perhaps even much earlier).

There are other reasons that evidence of it's true nature might be overlooked. Much
of the controls were in the "mortuary temple" which was in ruins. All that might be left
are holes in stone filled with sand. We are a creature of habit and usually see things
only from our own perspective and in context of what we know. All the early explorers
saw a mammoth pile of stones amid a cemetary in a desert. It would be easy to over-
look most of the relevant facts since they aren't in evidence. It would be easy to take
the very sketchy facts that are known and build a theory around them to explain the
inexplicable. It does seem that the theory which was built says almost as much about
19th century British males as it does about ancient Egyptians. Though how much they
missed the truth is still open to great conjecture.

During primitive Egyptian society, the Pharaoh was considered a god, so the Egyptian folk wanted to glorify him when he died, traveling through the Underworld to meet Anubis. So, the Egyptians set off to create pyramids in honor of the Pharaoh. The pyramids were miniature museums, which held the body and glorified him.

How were they built? They asked help from the gods.

Zahi Hawass would have a field day with this thread. The pyramids were built because they were tombs. The pyramid shape, we are still a bit unsure of it's complete significance, but they say that it's a way to get closer to the gods. Everything about pyramids is on the walls of them, many many stories and pictures. They would have had hieroglyphics somewhere with water coming out of the pyramid if that's what it was for. And the Nile has it's own irrigation system, the annual flooding which they completely understood and took advantage of. You can't come up with theories about something when we already know what it was for. Some believe the pyramids were built as a cosmic ascension machine, "Pyramids functioned as tombs for pharaohs. In Ancient Egyptian, a pyramid was referred to as mer, literally "place of ascendance." Others say the temples, like Luxor and Karnak were ascesion machines as well. Just walking throught it and absorbing everything you see and hear will change the vibration of your body. Now I don't neccisarily buy this stuff, but it's in the Flower of Life books if your interested.

"The inspiration for Egypt's pyramids is a subject of debate. Some Egyptologists have seen King Djoser's Step Pyramid as a symbolic representation of ancient Egypt's stratified society. A more recent hypothesis by Patricia Blackwell Gary and Richard Talcott ("Stargazing in Ancient Egypt," Astronomy, June 2006, pp. 62-67) derives the shapes of the pyramid and of the obelisk from natural phenomena associated with the sun (the sun-god Ra being the Egyptians' greatest deity). The pyramid and obelisk would have been inspired by previously overlooked astronomical phenomena connected with sunrise and sunset: the zodiacal light and Sun pillars, respectively.

Most Egyptians prepared for death; they tried to provide a secure resting place that would last an eternity. Although this was their wish, it did not work that way. Often the weather and tomb robbers were the main culprits that destroyed many tombs. Most tomb robbers, who were believed to be the tomb builders, often reentered the tomb after it was sealed, unwrapping the mummy and removing all amulets and stones. The coffins made of wood, which also held many precious stones, were also picked and destroyed. After destroying the tomb, many of the mummies would be taken out and burnt for fuel or sold as a souvenir product. Although tomb robbers were the main culprits, modern cultures also influenced the desecration of many mummies."

All quotes from Wikipedia.

You have to realize that I'm looking at this much more as a black box problem.
I'm not trained in these fields and knew very little about Egypt before attacking
this problem. I wasn't seeking a best fit solution to the known data but rather
seeking proof that the "only possible" means by which ancient people could have
made the structure. Rather than evidence or proof that I was wrong I found only
confirmation and an explanation for most of the physical mysteries. Despite put-
this crackpot theory in front of many amateur egyptologists there has been no
truly crippling data to shoot it down.

Ancient people not only had to build these structures but they had to develope
the "science", art, and mathematics. Such things don't simply happen. All pro-
gress is very slow and usually caused by a need. Necessity is the mother of
invention. Simply having a "religious" need to build a pyramid won't get even
a single stone in place. Being able to imagine building these still requires the
ability and means to accomplish it. Where did this come from?

This doesn't mean it's correct, but it's curious that someone hasn't been able to
just blow it out of the water. Arriving at this idea from data and first hand infor-
mation would be improbable but as a black box problem it is still a nice fit.

From his reputation it seems Mr. Hawaas would be very unlikely to deign to even
entertain such a crackpot idea. Perhaps his reputation is caused by the many
crackpots he has put off. One has to wonder why orthodoxy can't be questioned
in whole or in part, apparently.

Great big tourist traps. I think they worked out quit well. Think of all the money they have earned the Egyptians over all the all the years they have been standing there. Kind of like an ancient Epcot.

Your pump idea.

How would the broader system that it would have been part of worked? My point being is that the purpose of a 'pump' is to add energy to water, they give water a 'push' in other words.

For this to have been a pump there would have needed to be a means of 'obtaining' additional energy and then somehow using it to give the water a shove. The water would need to have come from somewhere and would needed to have been going somewhere.

There seems to be no question that there was water.

Most of these pyramids sit on rock formations that look like what's left after a candle
burns down. It seems the most likely way that rock could be formed this way is for
there to have been an upwelling in the center of it for a very long time. This would
probably be similar to the way stalagmites form in caves except that part of the year
the flow was massive and only briefly would the flow be intermittent before drying up
for most of the year.

Even today the underground chambers of one of the pyramids are flooded and no a-
mount of pumping has been able to dry it up. The implication seems to be that water
levels fell as these were being built and are rising again.

the pyramids were built in a hot stop on earth i mean it is a place were alot of earth energy comes out of ,

usally this is along fault lines and you see alot of tempoles that are built along or right on top of.

like here in cape breton there are alot of fault lines, but these are dormat ones.

over there with the pyramids in order to understand them you must understand the star of david and how there were made.

as above as below as in heaven as on earth ,the pyramids that you see are that of above,this triade would be the upward triangal in the star.

and there are made of stone as we all know but by man as we all know why is the question right.

well in order to get to the underworld one must travelle ,and with that downward triade or triagel in the star of david one goes ,but this is done in the spirit.

in this coffine in that pyramid the one who had knowledge could walk in the spirit and go to the underworld by lieing in an oitment that would be like no

other bath one would exsperiants,this would be the same ointment that moses used in order to talk to god on the mt.

for it is the key to the walking as to the time ,it would be that of atlantis for she is what lies beneth the sand in egypt.

it all depends on how far back in time one goes or down in the earth one goes ,this latter only as seven ronges and when you start its a good idea to

know were you are going first.

But why would the egyptians have felt it necessary to have built such contraptions when they were more than capable of digging canals and irrigation ditches to distribute water well outside of the Nile flood region? We know that the egyptians even built a suez canal almost as long as the present one.

The Giza plateau is 200' above sea level. There is no water in the region that can
flow to this level. There is a ridge all along the west side of the Nile but most other
points appear to be somewhat lower. Even Lake Moeris is surrounded by high ground.

There is no apparent way that water could have been brought to this level despite the
fact that Herodotus said that a canal was built to the pyramid. This was probably a
small corruption of what actually happened; they expanded the inlet for the under-
ground river and built the causeway which was a series of locks down to the Nile.
The water couldn't flow up the causeway and pumping it was probably impractical
for ancieent technology.

Has anyone ever explored this underground chamber?

I believe that the water is rising and that it has been enterred before the
water came up but I don't know this as fact. As I remember the story the
implication was that it wasn't believed to have been sufficiently explored.

I just googled "flooded pyramid" but got no relevant results.

I recently read that they had discovered some sort of chamber under the sphynx. Unfortunately, they didn't give very many specifics of what they had found or how far it went. Have you heard about this? and do you think that it can tie into your irrigation theory?

I've heard of it and don't have an opinion.

There may well be quite a bit of tunneling in the area. And it's fairly well accepted that there are natural caverns. Part of the descending passage appears to incorporate a natural cavern

egyptians like things with points

just my theory

There is a tunnel under the sphynx and it runs to the giza pyramid complex. They talk about this in the magical egypt documentaries. I remember seeing zahi hawass go into one of these chambers and crawl around to the other side or something like that.

if you ask him about this pump idea, he'll say this is a bunch of hogwash. He's the director of egyptology in egypt. I think he's knows quite a bit about what's going on over there. I mean, I personally hate this guy, but when you tell me that you think the pyramid is a water pump I just dont think it's possible.

the water weathering you are trying to use as proof is in the sphynx enclosure only. that water weathering is at least 13000 years old and comes from RAIN. an egyptologist who is totally close minded will tell you that they had a ritual of pouring milk and stuff over the sphynx and that's where thousands of years of erosion comes from. (they are retarded) when a world renowned geologist looked at this same exact enclosure (they showed him a picture of it out of context, he didn't have any prior bias to the area at all, just a picture of some weathering and was asked what it was, not a picture of the whole sphynx just a little piece ) and he said it could only be from rain. This means the sphynx was built by other people before the giza pyramids. anyways, my point is that you can't use that water weathering as proof of your water pump. its from rain thousands of years ago. sure, its a great idea and i understand where you are coming from but just because you have enough evidense to say its possible doesnt mean you have the proof to say it was real. just like atlantis.

I was wondering, many egyptologist and especially zahi hawass deny with force all about water erosion and stuff like that. Could that be it is a hidden form of nationalism? I mean people like them try to do everything to convince the world the greatness of egytian civilitation, and if another ancient civilitation suddently shows up on that same spot, it will spoil all their work, and Egypt would not be so great as they want them to be?

just a OT through...

There were some very good points brought out in this thread along these same lines.

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...;hl=suppressing

I just hope Mr. Hawaas is still around to be embarrassed when these finally get figured out.

Yes that is exactly it and very concisely put. Zahi is a nationalist and his number one priority is the glorification of the Egyptian empire. He will always attempt to take the credit for another egyptologists discoveries, like the Nefertiti problem. He will never accept that the Sphinx is older than we currently believe it to be because that would mean that Egypt was not the cradle of civilization. Egypt tends to get most of the credit for the first real civilization.

Now read this:

"The most widely accepted view among current anthropologists is that Homo sapiens originated in the African savanna around 200,000 years ago, descending from Homo erectus, and colonized Eurasia and Oceania by 40,000 years ago, and finally colonized the Americas by 10,000 years ago.[46] They displaced Homo neanderthalensis and other species descended from Homo erectus (which had colonized Eurasia as early as 2 million years ago) through more successful reproduction and competition for resources.

The earliest humans were hunter-gatherers, a lifestyle well-suited to the savanna. They generally lived in small, nomadic groups. Around 10,000 years ago, the advent of agriculture prompted the Neolithic Revolution. Access to a stable food source led to the formation of permanent human settlements, the domestication of animals, and the use of metal tools. Agriculture also encouraged trade and cooperation, leading to complex societies. Villages developed into thriving civilizations in regions such as the Middle East's Fertile Crescent.

Around 6,000 years ago, the first states developed in Mesopotamia, Egypt and the Indus Valley. Military forces were formed for protection, and government bureaucracies for administration. States cooperated and competed for resources, in some cases waging wars. Around 2,000–3,000 years ago, some states, such as Persia, China, and Rome, developed through conquest into the first expansive empires. Influential religions, such as the Abrahamic and Dharmic religions, also rose to prominence at this time."

So look at that. 10k ago we were domesticating, agriculturing, trading, creating complex societies supposedly. But it takes until 4000 years later for them to say that the first states appear. Why did it take that long? That's around 133 generations of people. IMHO It is retarded to say that for 4000 years we basically did nothing. Look at the pottery in early egypt. It's impossible to make even today. How did they do that? I believe that there is proof of much greater intelligence in humans much earlier than we'd like to believe, but it's so old it's unrecoverable. I don't think we will ever be able to prove that humans were far more advanced then we give them credit for. But look at those pyramids. Looks at stonehenge. Look at any number of amazing things ancient people did. And now they are saying that the greeks had machines for example in the athena statue for it to do wild and crazy movements. WOuldn't that be wild to see?

But you see, my point is, Egypt was the first state and Egypt will NEVER allow that to change. THey want the credit for creating society as we know it. The problem is, they are so full of themselves they wont just let human kind have credit for being amazing and instead want to hog it all to themselves, thus destroying the wealth of our history as it should be.

If what you are saying is true cladking and I have no doubt it is then you have created another interesting mystery.
the underground source of water beneath the great pyramid was deliberately opened by the builders via the construction of a well. BUT; the pyramid itself was built to be not only airtight but watertight and if there had been an upwelling of water into the pyramid then the air pressure inside would have risen dramatically. Now such an increase in air pressure within the pyramid would have placed consiiderable stress on the structure and could easily have caused the sides to "bell" out which in turn would have caused structural failure.
It is very interesting to note that the sides of the great pyramid are not flat but concave...could the builders have designed this concave feature specifically in order to resist any increase in air pressure on the inside of the structure?

Now I love this theory. LOL

The amount of pressure per square inch would have been the same for the water
and the air but the air would have affected far more square inches which would mean
greater total pressue. This pressure could have been easily removed and may have
been part of the reason for the "star shafts".

There's a lot of question about why they would make them concave on each side. Cer-
tainly to withstand greater pressure is a distinct possibility. This structure is so dramat-
ically overbuilt that it seems an ineffective way to withstand a little more pressure. It's
highly doubtful that even with our math and huge computers that an engineer would de-
sign the structure this way for that reason. Their math probably would have told them to
just make it a little bigger. It wouldn't save much weight since the casing would have been
about the same though it really would make a difference with the pressure it could with-
stand.

There seems to be a lot about "half" in the Great Pyramid". It's as though they are trying
to tell us something about .5, or 1/2. Perhaps not.

They may have used the technique of lifting stone with counterweights on other structures
as well and thought just a little bend for the counterweight to follow would results in fewer
mishaps. They likely used some stone from the Sphinx area so had a counterweight on the
west face briefly during construction. Presumably this proved to be ineffective or more
trouble than it was worth so didn't use this on the other Giza pyramids or any other pyramids.

It's hard to say with what's known at the current time. They need to let more researchers
get a look at this stuff and stop most of the destructive testing. No destructive testing
should be allowed unless the damage is very insignificant and has a high probability of
important data. "Important data" should not be defined as the ability to support the sta-
tus quo, but the ability to lead researchers to the truth.

There is lots of non-destructive testing and cleaning that can be done which just might an-
swer most of the questions without further damage.

I have some doubt about the accuracy of this but there has been some
speculation that the casing stone also had an even slighter indentation
like this. This made the pyramid much brighter from even farther away.

There's no doubt that there are reports that these were visable from the
hills as far north as Lebanon. Beyond that there's too much curvature
of the Earth.

My doubt arises from the fact that there are no reports I've seen that
this exists on the remaing casing stone.

Again you mention something interesting: the "star shafts". Yes, any build up of internal air pressure would have been released thru these shafts which again makes me ponder over their purpose. Try to imagine the work crews inside the nearly completed pyramid. Not only is there no light but there is no air. How did they provide a flow of air within the Pyramid for the work crews? is it possible that the rise and fall of water within the deep shaft at the centre of the Pyramid provided a rise and fall in air pressure that created a convecting effect ie: a draft?

Although the pyramids of later times were to keep the remains of kings and prepare them for the afterlife, the earlier pyramids such as the Great Pyramid was not a tomb. I believe it was a power plant.

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The pyramind's where built to house the liven God after his death in this world, It was a place where his body could be laid and reborn each day with the sun God...Just like Christan's build church's to house the spirit of thier lord, The egyptian's built tomb's to house and worship their God's...

Pyramids were built as a new sacraficial time place location beacon for the current planetary allignment.
Only different is they used to do the ceremonies underground instead of above.

When the planets align the deathmatch is on. Usually in the land of re-creation.
Whats the point? "Pharo says, "Bet you can't pick him up". (cast him out).

Have a nice day.

Oh. It also shows that when the pyramids are built they are ready.
When the bible is written they are able.
When he shows they flee...

The pyramids were built up north because it is as far away from the cat/dog yowie thing as they could get, and still see it coming. It is a message. DONT MESS WITH HIM. Not the yowie beast. HIM. HE IS FAR MORE DANGEROUS. The one that returns.

They knew the truth.
Don't use sacraficial drugs on him and try and turn him into an animal, cause WE ALL NEED HIM.

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What you are ACTUALLY thinking about is a planetary allignment and soul casting to ensure it ends up "there".
NOT THAT HARD TO DO.
I CAN LIST THE COMMON DRUGS YOU NEED TODAY AND YOU COULD BE CASTING PEOPLE OUT OF THERE OWN BODIES TO PLANET ZIRCON IF THERE WAS ONE.

Don't you people know anything?
Atleast from there you know where they end up.
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In Egyptian mythology the universe was originally a vast expanse of stagnant water (Nu) out of which arose the primeval hill upon which was created the first god (Atum, Ptah etc according to what cosmogony the Egyptian believed).

The pyramids are a representation of this hill which fits in very nicely with the belief the Pharaoh was a divinity and, upon their death, would rise up out of the primeval hill to take their place among the other gods.

The reason the pyramids are slightly concave is that this is the most structurally sound way to build such a pyramid. If the walls were built in a straight angle the pressure of the blocks above would force the blocks below out of alignment and the whole structure would eventually collapse. It wasn't really a concern about internal air or water pressure - although this could have also been taken into account.

source for Egyptian Mythology

It's quite true that the bend will make these structures stronger but a larger
bend would have increased the strenght much more. Granted the greater
the concavity the more difficult to place the casing stone but surely they could
have gone more than 4" without making this significantly more difficult.

Perhaps this is showing that the pyramids were intended more multiple pur-
poses. They were not only for irrigation (or perhaps tombs in some specific
cases) but they were also to send a message to future generations. Certainly
if the Great Pyramid is no more than a well head then it lends whole new mean-
ing to the term "overbuilt". There is obviosly more going on than meets the eye
of the casual observer. They are a calender of sorts and they were probably a
water source. So why not a monument and recording of data as well? It's not
difficult to imagine that the ancients would work in tandem with less "justification"
than modern man since the idea of "self' was usually much weaker. The "greater
good" could well mean constructing a monument to man or a means of inspiring
his ancestors for all time.

Even the loss of the casing stone might well have been expected by the builders,
but one imagines it was hoped to occur much later.

I was looking at civil engineering site that discussed the concavity of the Pyramid sides and I didnt realise just how difficult it is to engineer such a feature into a building. Just more evidence of the brilliance of the egyptian engineers.

The Egyptians, like other ancient cultures, were extraordinary engineers. Mind you they had had a fair old while to understand monumental building. I imagine there were probably workshops of engineers - much like the artistic workshops of the Renaissance - where young apprentices would learn from master engineers. These young masters would probably take commissions all over the ancient Near East. Still, doesn't detract from the marvellous achievements they constructed.

Simply man made mountains. Provided shade for the masses in the desert.

Shouldent this be a 2 part question, why were the pyramids built and 2nd why havent they been explored fully, there is talk of other rooms( not the atlantis room) inside the pyramids and apparantly only 1/4 of the pyramid we have explored or found.

This could take up two or three more threads.

I think we just got off on the wrong foot in exploring these thngs. The early
archaeologists just followed in the steps of the grave robbers. By the time
WF Petrie came around to carefully examine what he found there was already
a great deal known about the people and their religion. He kept this in mind
to try to comprehend what he saw and he built on this system of knowledge.
It was Petrie who laid the foundation for later explorers.

Laugh if you will but some of the discoveries in recent years are critical to un-
derstanding or being led in the right direction on these. Finally locating the
quarry and its shape and orientation for instance. Even more are the satellite
pictures. These reveal that water was at the root of the pyramids. not to be
overlooked is the massive amount of new data available from radar, sonar,
gravitometers, carbon dating and visual spectrum imagery.

It won't be long now until we know how these were built and all the secrets will
begin to be revealed. It seems likely that all of this will shake our conception
of the ancients and will even give us pause to reexamine ourselves. There are
going to be aspects that will astound everyone.