Hell, why not this is turning into a into an 'Ask a....' section lol

This is honestly getting a little out of hand...I need a "Ask a half believer half skeptic" and a "Ask a Jedi" thread.

I never would of guessed you was messeonic jew .

Are you main stream messeonic jew ?

I went to 2 services with them but found i kind of made them hostile . I guess they hated the British isreal doctrine i beleave in with a passion .

They did not want no tribe of Joseph out there.

I use to experment with other sabbath keeping churches .

Use to Try Seven Day Adventist as they have one close to me . But i just wasn't one of them . I never fit .

Tribe of Joseph?

Messianic Jews follow Judaism but believe Jesus was the Messiah. Can't see why you wouldn't fit in.

We beleave Isreal put his name on Josephs sons and not Judaes .


Makes their rabies very angry to even hear such a thing

The 12 tribes of Judea don't change. Who are the sons of Joseph? If you're talking about Jesus' father, he wasn't Jesus' biological father anyway.

We beleave the jews are only 2.5 tribes of Isreal .

And 1 of the other tribes got a way bigger blessing then the Jews . Joseph got one hell of a blessing .

Joseph now is the English type peoples .


france = rubin

Zebulon = holland all ost tribes .

The jews never got the Big Blessing just look in gen 48- 49

If the jews are all of Isreals Children then the Bible never Happened as Ephrium alone was to be a multitude of Nations.

Well, I don't believe that. The 12 tribes of Judea are Hebrew/Jewish in origin, and Jospeh was also a Jew so there's no way any of his descendants would be european.

The first time the word Jew is used in Scripture you know what they are doing?

They are fighting a War against Isreal .

It was never put back together in Scripture .

In Isaiah 11 in the second exodus (a future event) the Jews are still seperate from ephrium .

Jewish people are and always will be God's chosen people, whether they have accepted Jesus yet or not.

But they got some brothers .

And that old Joseph was his fathers favorite . Makes them Some angry but its a fact .

Hold on which Joseph are you talking about?

judaes brother joseph .

You know the guy the father favored .

I have to disagree with Cadet (sorry!:P), I like these "ask a..." threads. I'd like to majour in theology one day.

Forgive me if i sound ignorant, but do you only go by the old testiment, and dismiss the new testiment? And if so, why is that?

Well, no we don't disregard the NT, but we follow the laws of the OT. I personally disregard a few of the books of the NT where the writer had absolutely no contact with Jesus whatsoever, and therefore I find irrelevant. Even in the OT anything I find to merely be the opinion of the writer I disregard. I can make up my own mind.

your kind of like a muslim then you pick and chose what ever verses that would fit the way you want to beleave from a bible?

Which NT books do you ignore, Ashley, and is that a decision you personally made or is that something all Messianic Jews do?

I also disagree with Cadet, I think these "Ask a..." threads are a great way to promote understanding.

I'm thinking of adding an "Ask a non-denominational Christian" thread, since Preacherbill is answering questions from the point of view of someone who is part of a denomination. I think we also need an "Ask a Catholic" thread.

I think Nova Scotia refers to the ten tribes of the Northern Kingdom of Israel. There were originally 12 tribes of Israel - Asher, Benjamin, Dan, Gad, Issachar, Joseph, Judah, Levi, Naphtali, Reuben, Simeon, and Zebulun. The Northern Kingdom of Israel was invaded in 722BC by the Assyrians, and the tribes scattered. The Southern Kingdom of Judah only had 2. 5 tribes - Judah, Benjamin and the half-tribe of Manasseh (Ephraim being the other half, presumbaly, on account of both being sons of Joseph). Anywho, the race of people we know of as "Jews" all hail from the Southern Kingdom. This has since led to all sorts of theories as to where the other tribes of Israel that were displaced during the Assyrian invasion are now. Nova Scotia is suggesting the possibility of a British Israel. Hope that answers you.

Now, I have a quick question for you. What is the Messianic Jew's stance on mainstream Christianity? Do you see Christians as actual followers of God that have just been misguided by wrong interpretation of scripture, or do you see Christians as totally wrong and right out in their beliefs.

Another question - are there many Messianic Jews that accept the book of Enoch as the word of God also?

Thanks for taking the time to answer

Regards, PA

You said that the Jews will always be gods chosen people, whether they choose to accept him or not. What exactly does that mean? Will the Jews be the only ones to get into heaven? Why is it that God has chosen people when he is supposed (at least thats what I think) to love us all equally? If he loved us all equally, wouldn't that make us chosen people as well?

I'm actually saying i beleave the british are the tribe of Joseph . Ephrium is the British commanwealth Austrailia ,Canada , South africa, new zealand ect . Mannasah is America .

All only one tribe of isreal .
Other peoples like French , Dutch , scadinavians , maybe even spanish are all tribes of isreal .

They are like the Sand of the Sea .

But Joseph got the Blessing of carrying his fathers name in prophecy .

So if it Says Hear ye house of Isreal its speaking to America ,Brittian, Austrailia , Canada , New Zealand its not speaking to jews .

This is the Key to unlocking the prophecys of the Bible . And Ashly i would be Carefull what i throw away in that bible its there for a reason.

Just because mainstream Christianity and messionic jews want to Ignore Gen 48 and 49 don't mean the church of God is .

So you're practically a Muslim? :S

Well I can't speak for other MJ's but I think people are free to follow whatever faith they choose. As for Enoch, well, I'm one of them. The Coptic Ethiopian church has always had Enoch in their Bible. And thanks for clearing up the tribe thing.

Empress,

No I don't believe only the Jews go to Heaven (and I also don't believe in hell - there are temporal 'prisonhouses' in Heaven but not 'hell' all brimstone and fire), I instead believe EVERYONE goes to Heavento meet their maker or gets sent back reincarnated until they find their way. I interpret God's chosen people to be the fact that the Jews had a direct link with God and constant contact. Jesus himself was a Jew, so when God decided to send his own son, He sent him as a Jew.

IamsSon,

Like I said any book where the writer had no direct contact with God or Jesus. Romans, Corinthians, etc.

Nova Scotia,

I'm a Messianic Jew, not a Muslim, and it's not so much picking and choosing, it's the fact that I like my scripture to be directly from God, and where the writer has no direct contact with God they are making their own rules. I'd even go so far as to say that the apostles wrote in a few of their own opinions on what they thought was right at the time.

Muslim,

No not quite.

You ever read how Paul claimed to have been taught? Gal 1


You know before Paul started writing books of the bible . he had a decent life . he was well versed in old testament scriptures . After his life just kept getting worse .
What was his motive ? Did he really have an experience on the road to damascus ? The apostles Accepted him .


Paul himself warned if if Any man or a Angel from heaven preach any other gospel then that ye have recieved let him be accursed .

Paul certainly did not beleave in muhamed coming , or mormon . or jws books . He was reconised by Christ apostles as Being Ligit .

What's that got to do with this thread?

Im just saying Paul claimed he did get it from God and Christ students Beleaved him .

But you have chosen not too .

My husband's side of my family is Jewish and one of my stepsons has chosen to worship in this tradition. So please read this against the context that some of the people I love best are Jewish and we managed to transfer Jewish tradition on to the next generation.

I don't think this "chosen people" thing is helpful in the modern world. To me it seems like it was probably a rallying call which kept the culture from dissolving into other cultures back when the Jews were in Egypt, etc. Maybe it still has that function today.

But the idea that "God" has favorite ethnic groups seems wrong to me. The Abrahamic God is already so highly anthropomorphic, it's easy to assign Him less attractive human traits like bigotry and xenophobia.

And apostles never added their own opinion to texts? Such as how married couples should behave etc. Did Jesus ever even discuss this with them?

I remind you of a verse which states of the apostles 'even the angels are laughing at us' and by God 'I will send the people a lie and make them believe it'.

Chosen is Dangerous


It means chosen to have the responsibility . If you live it you get blessed

If you don't live it you get Cursed .


They really should relise that before Ezekiels barber gets to cutting some hair . (chapter 5)

Well Siara, I don't see it so much as favoritism (though it seems God is capable of having favorites) as it is that the Hebrews were the first to follow God. God is also capable of human emotion (which isn't really human in origin at all, as both God and angels are capable of it) such as love, hate venegance, jealousy, etc.

Have you read the Quran?

I think you are going to be saying that a lot in this thread .

What book and verse does this come from?



I find that quite interesting.

Maybe it's alright if you take being "chosen" as a responsibility

the 28th chapter of deuteronomy will tell you what it means to be chosen make sure you read verse 15

Chosen can be the worse thing ever happened to you if you fall short of your duty.


I think we are soon going to find out in the west if joseph had a responsiblity to fullfill to remain the worlds wealthiest people .

When our morals drop below the other nations we get distroyed .

Ashley,

You forgot the second part of my question: Is this a personal choice (ignoring certain books, almost half of them, of the New Testament) or is it something that Messianic Jews do?

I like how you disregard the books of the Bible that you think are not inspired by God or is not directly about Jesus...Ive never met anyone who used that reasoning in that way before.

So your Jewish but believe that Jesus is the Son of God? Isn't that basically Christianity?

P.S. I think that the "Ask a..." threads are okay its just that their is going to be dozens of them...one for each religion, belief system, non-belief system, subsects, etc.

are jews isrealites hebrews are teh same?
also when one is called out are they also not called a choosen one of god?

Hi

Because the Jewish people and Faith have been persecuted for such a long time and by so many people is there a possibility that they will attack first in a preventative defensive measure when alternative options were not given a fair hearing?

I think I can answer that. I grew up as a messianic Jew. My parents are still very into their faith.

Saying that Messianics ingnore a large part of the new testement isn't exactly how I'd put it. The new testement was collaborated by a group of Catholic bishops. They had over 50 manuscripts and gospels to choose from. And they chose what ever gospels they liked the best. Now, the Catholic church had already been around for a while when this was done. These Bishops already believed in their doctrine before the new testement was put together. They chose, out of over 50 different gospels, the ones that already fit what the church had been teaching. It's hard to give the New Testement ANY credit after knowing that.

Well, thats definitely something to take into consideration. Where did you learn this? I would honestly like to read up more on it if it is true.

A naive question, but....

Are Messianic Jews the same as the "jews for Jesus" organization?

Hello,
I have a Quistion for jews.
is it true that jews -during the purim holiday- use the blood of a sacrifice inside pies or cookies or whatever and then eat them? and that sacrifice has to be either christian or Muslim?
Plz reply ASAP.
Regards

Yes they do, but only the blood of Christians and Muslims who ask silly questions

Please take very very very good care of yourself DD.

Lol
Hey Common Libra im serious!
some guys keep saying that stuff so i just wanna make sure :s
some books even say that!
i know u might think thats stupid but plz notify me if they do or dont
regards Libra
p.s.Libra ppl always rock !

No one should believe everything they read, DD. Thank God or whoever that you were just joking or whatever.

Take care

Who says im joking
G night and thanx for helpin out Libra!

How many transgressors have you stoned to death?

Do you own any slaves?

Do you feel guilty if you wear luxurious clothes?