Eye witnesses report a lot of the time that they see UFOs at night and get told that they have mistaken them for Planets Stars etc.
This video shows some strange lights showing up when he's taping an Orange Moon. Based on personal experience i have no doubt that this video is legit .....But if not ET .....What ,Who,Why ?

http://hbccufo.org/videos/DickinsonNorthDakota.wmv

Written explanation of sighting and video source here
http://www.hbccufo.org/modules.php?name=Ne...le&sid=1760

Now there is a good chance I missed it: Do we have the date/time of the video taken?? 00/00/0000 and approx. time. This is where the first thing to do - Check out an astronomy star program, to see if there are any stars in this given location.

Plus I noticed there are smuges on the camera lens - which is 'clearly' seen when video of the moon is taken.

But the first logical step - Check out the stars in relation to the Moon on this given night.

Jj -

Stars ??????? but they clearly move around each other......did you watch it ? Smudges ? Most video camera lenses are smudged whats that got to do with lights flashing in the sky ?

Pretty cool, one of the best UFO's vids ive seen as it looks genuine. I can't see a obvious plausible answer to this but i'm sure one will come to me

First of all, why were there no stars? it looked dark enough to me for there to be stars out.

And an orange moon it called a harvest moon, happens when ever atmospheric conditions are right. A blue moon is when we have a full moon earlier in a calender month then again later in the same calendar month. The second full moon is called a blue moon. Blue moons are very rare. The last one was several years ago on October 28. My dads birthday. We had not had one since Oct 28 1955, when my dad was born. Thats how I remember.

Third. I'd like to know what everyone thinks about the fact that they couldn't be seen with the naked eye. Was it the filter on the camera? There was too much movement of the lens, zooming and shaking the camera and stuff to think that they could have been made with a graphics program but I'm no expert at all in that. Could the lights that we saw have been the reflexion of the moon off what ever was in the sky, alien or not?

Ok - so I take it I'm not going to be able to find out the date/time??

Which >IF< that is the case - one has to ask why is that avoided?? (Please note I said IF....)

But see this IS the process of investigation:

You take the RIGHT STEPS to make sure all the obvious qutestions/answers are CLEARLY checked out first. Not just 'rationalized' away.

Plus we 'see motion' - but it is also VERY clear the camera is NOT steady at all. So that is also another reason one WANTS and NEEDS to check out all the obvious answers first. So that it doesn't come back and 'haunt' you.

Jj -

That's the impression I got also. It seemed that there might have been moisture on the leaves of the tree that was reflecting the moonlight. The "objects" didn't appear to move that much and the guy actually stated that he was moving around because the tree was blocking his shot of the moon.

And BTW, this is just the impression I got viewing the video, and not a difinative explanation by any means.

Check the link....all the relevant times and dates are there

If this is true the leaves should be visible by brightening the still shots i posted.

Good idea. Maybe someone with photo software can do this.

Most cameras wont be able to pick out the contrast of the stars and the moon (or other object). For example a picture of a city at night wouldnt show any stars, even though there are stars. This is because the camera picks up on the brightest object. This is also a reason for no stars on the moon landing photos.

Hello people.

I’m new to the forums so here goes my first post, i think what people are seeing are stars and the planet Saturn, If you look at the third post down by Bogeyman, the second photo the star which is directly under the moon is Ras Elased Austrails 17 in (Leo) the star directly under that is Alqieba 41 gam 1(Leo) the next star which is upper right is the planet Saturn, the star bottom right is Regulus 32 Alp (Leo)

These stars and planet where all visible to the naked eye and directly under the moon between the following dates, January 29th to February 2rd

Hope this Helps,

Steve

At around 7 minutes and 40 seconds into the movie, he zoom in on the moon, and on the right side, it looks like there are some leaves sticking in infront of it. So i guess he is filming through some trees, which would also explain why the lights sometimes disappear, since the slightest movement from him or the wind, could make leaves block the lights.

Edit: Lol, i paused it right after i saw the leaves, right after he says a tree got in the way, so he moved. Well this just proves that there are trees there, so i think its quite possible that the trees are causing the lights to appear and dissappear.

Source: http://www.obliquity.com/cgi-bin/bluemoon.cgi

Blue Moon is where there are TWO (2) separate Full Moons in a one month period. Blue Moons and Harvest Moons are two totally different events. What he was filming was a Harvest Moon -NOT- a "Blue Moon"

So the 'problems/questions/observations' that honestly HAVE/NEED to be addressed are:

A. Camera evidence of extreme operator motion/jitter.
What does this mean? It questions as to are the "lights" moving on their own or due to camera 'jitters'?? Since there is plenty of footage to show Operator Jitters - this puts motion of the 'lights' into question. Sorry but it does.

B. The trees and leaves at play. Also was there evening dew on the leaves that would cause minor reflection and motion??
Yes this has to be asked and noted.

C. He does remember if it was Aug or Sept. Also this was in 2005. The report was made on the sited web site:
Feb 1 2007
Screen Captures show a © date of 2005 - So I am using Aug & Sept 2005 as the "target dates" for the screen captures.
The question I ask more than just a few times:
Why do people put a good couple or more years between the 'event' and the 'report file'??

Dickenson suggests it was either: August or September
[quote]"First off hand I don't remember the exact month we had the blue moon but I'm sure it was August or September and this filming took place on the second night I am pretty sure because what I do remember is forgetting about the blue moon and I remember being happy I saw it on the second night!"[quote]
Again a note of point: Blue Moons and Harvest Moons are two separate events.

FULL MOONS:
Aug 17th 2005
Moon Rise: 6:09pm
Moon Set: 2:34am
Aug 18th 2005
Moon Rise: 6:50pm
Moon Set: 3:48am
Aug 19th 2005
Moon Rise: 7:25pm
Moon Set: 5:08pm
See Pictures:
Aug 19th 2005-01 09-00-00pm.jpg
Screen Capture is 9:00Pm PST
Click to view attachment

Aug 20th 2005
Moon Rise: 7:54pm
Moon Set: 6:27am
Aug 21st 2005
Moon Rise: 8:21pm
Moon Set: 7:42am
Sept 16th 2005
Moon Rise:
Moon Sets:
Sept 17th 2005
Moon Rise:
Moon Set:
Sept 18th 2005
Moon Rise:
Moon Sets:
See Picture:
Sept 18 2005-01 09-00-00pm.jpg
Screen Capture is 9:00Pm PST
Click to view attachment

Now as can be seen there are stars easily to be seen in both pictures that would and DO fall into the FOV (Field Of View)

Sept 19th 2005
Moon Rise:
Moon Sets:
Sept 20th 2005
Moon Rise:
Moon Sets:

Now before the "Believers" get on my "case" - remember - THIS IS WHAT INVESTIGATION IS ALL ABOUT! Checking out the and seeing if the obvious answers are 'there' or can be 'dismissed' without to much 'eraser'. In this case the "these are stars" cannot be easily 'erased'.

Then you add the tree/leaves and the not so far streatch of evening dew, especially in Sept. Which I think is more the month in question with it being a Harvest Moon.

This is a sample of what I am talking about, BTW: about Critical Thinking and Basic Investigation.

The theory that the objects are stars doesn't seem to hold up. He states numerous times in the video that they cannot be seen with the naked eye and can only be seen in the view finder. My experiance with a camera pointed at the night sky is that they will not pickup stars that are visible to the naked eye. One possibility is the objects are emitting light in the infrared spectrum. Some cameras will pickup infrared light that is invisible to our eyes. I checked my camera for this by pointing a tv remote at it and viewing the light in the view finder. Try it sometime.

yes is harvest moon -having lived on / near military bases all my life - tracking stations always testing--moon can reflect off these military aircraft -too shaky to focus properly - gotta be analytical and logistical -whisper jets are very silent when flying under radar-- thanks for sharing

Hello,All

im sticking with the Stars Theory for the simple reason is that to me they look like an image on my star chart, (check link) i think the reason for the blinking of the lights has something to do with the camcorder and the exposure length (or) also when watching the video you can see a tree at one stage, has Mutationman has already pointed out,

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7261/starimage01hb4.jpg

steve

Jibreen
A lot of work there and i commend you for it.....I dont buy it though.
Firstly ...they're just too bright to be Stars
Secondly they're moving .....oh yes they are
Third ...Vike has called this an excellent sighting ...surely he knows the difference between Stars and UfoS at this stage
I'm getting weary on here these days of trying to defend each and every sighting,it seems that the Sceptics will turn somersaults to prove you wrong with coincidental data (i dont know which is sadder ,thinking they're UFOs or spending hours looking for data to prove they're not) ......The sighting is what it is....the video is plain enough for all to see whats going on.To those who want to beleive they're Stars ....Knock yerselves out
Bogey

Steve, The date of the event was either August or September of 2005. I would be interested in seeing a star chart for that time period. Another problem I see with the star theory is the objects changed posistion towards the end of the video clip.

Steve - I totally agree w/you. As soon as we have a full moon and CLEAR NIGHT - (I live in Seattle area, rains a lot here) I am going to ask my nephew to take some video shots. He has done this in the past and has caught stars in his video - especially where is the "light polution" is on the less side - as seems the case in this video.

But I suppose we could pull up - as you did - star charts that pretty much show the same and it will be 'ignored' - even with video evidence as well.

When in another thread - the "UFO" bias was pointed out and then proven their "UFO" was a "mouth and loaf of bread" - the point at the time of this posting, was 'brushed over, ignored and moved on to other objects'. Sigh - Which can be rather frustrating. The "need to believe for some has almost come "desperate" for some reason. I'm not sure why.

But we will continue to move forward -

Jjbreen,

I agree with everything you've said, the biggest problem with video evidence is the quality of the camera/camcorder most are shot at night which doesn't help because the camera/camcorder can't deal with lack of light and what light is generally seen is the brighest light which floods the lens and the camera/camcorder picks the light up as a white fuzz, zooming in and out just makes it worse,



steve

I agree, these are Stars, not UFOs.

Have any of you looked closely at the end of the video ?
You will see the bottom right light release some kind of energy ...you will need to enlarge the screen..


Lily why am i not surprised

Ok, I watched this two more times:

Note:
The objects closer to the moon (under it) always stayed the same distance from the moon and location from the moon. They did NOT move from that location - That would support "star theory".

As for not seeing it with his eyes, has nothing to do with IR or other color spectrums. He still would not see those 'spectrums' through the lense. They would only show up on the video. He did see them in the lens. WHY? He was zoomed in better: (just like a telescope or binoculars)

But the fact that the 'lights' did not change their position from the moon - if used like a "clock". The motion only "shows" because of the movement of the camera.The 'changed' due only to zooming and camera shaking.

Sorry - but watch the moon clock and see that the stars when refocused w/the moon are always at the same 'time'. Also the same distant span.

Jj -

Okay...I'll take your word for it
To be honest ....Whatever people see in this is fine by me...it's not up to me to argue for the Alien hypothesis on the strength of a video of this quality ...it would be plain silly

P.S.......Whats that coming out of the "Star" near the end of the video ?

There is a brief flash of elongated light that does appear momentarily above the spot of light you're referring to, but it doesn't look as though it's coming out of the light source.

I would like to know how you concluded this to be a "release of some kind of energy".

Here are two stills from the Dickenson video. The first one is from the middle of the video and the second one is closer to the end. The arrangement and posistioning relative to the moon are different. As far as the the camera showing the objects would depend on whether he was looking through the lens or the view finder. Yes, the lens will show a magnified view and would bring into view faint stars. The LCD view finder will show IR that is not visible to the eye. This would be a good question to ask the camera operator. I still need an explanation for the apparent change of posistion between the objects to convince me these were stars. Also a star chart for that time period may clear this up.

There is one explination for the change - the camera man even tell us in the video - The moon is rising - thus it would change it's position to that star. Plus you add the very easiy likelyhood that he is changing his FOV as well - which is also stated in the video.

So with the moon Rising and the star would shift - just about that much. If it the "light" was not 'stationary' which it actaully shows being - it would either be moving L or R - U or D - or closer or futher away.

When you do add that the moon is rising this would give a very clear and logical answer as to the apparent 'shift' of the star.

Jj -

I am aware of the the fact that the moon is rising, but this doesn't explain why the objects (stars?) are in different posistions relative to each other from the earlier photo. Also the change of the camera man's FOV should not change the perspective of the objects relative to the moon unless the objects were very close to him.

To be honest i could barely see it but a friend on another forum has got a much better computer than me....he enlarged like hell and concluded it's coming from the "light"