"Lot was basically raped by his daughters"


ROFLMAO

Ya know...... It says that the daughters gave him enough wine to get him drunk. Drunk to the point of not knowing his daughters were attempting to mate with him.

Now, the as the amount of alcohol INCREASES in a mans bloodstream, his ability to >ahem< rise to the occasion DECREASES. Yet we are to believe that both young ladies were able to successfully "rape" their father, AND conceive.

As to Peter & Paul, their martyrdom was not a punishment from god. At least the way it was taught to me by the good brothers and sisters of Sacred Heart.

And, Abraham, are you sure that the delay in Sarah conceiving was a punishment for Abrahams 'cowardice'? Not to mention, I don not recall cowardice being a sin.

But, whatever. Your faith in your bible brings you comfort, so who am I to dissuade you. Enjoy.


Sherri, you know he isn't going to apologize. And to be frank, there is nothing to apologize for. He is merely defending the articles of his faith.

No, no Supra, I was pointing out that you had quoted a post about Lot to launch an attack on God, the Father and priests and who knows what else and never actually addressed Lot. You may want to go back and read your own post.

son i was clear in my post , you like to define me and my posts regardless of what i say about me and my posts .... In this post i was not exploring the pretend diety, I was saying that Lot was a monster and it is plain as day....and he was responsilbe for his daughters behavior later on...



this is your quote to Joey, "So, you lack the ability to decide on your own when someone's actions are not good?" why would you say this when it is clear to a 4 year old he doens't lack the ability to think for himself..What is your intent with this post...In all fairness it could seem disrespectful, so t I'm asking you instead....

I was trying to point out that these "heores" of the Bible did not live perfect or even "great" lives. The Bible says that we sow what we reap, so some of what happened to them was, in some way due to their actions.

If there is some reason I should apologize, I most certainly will, but I believe we have been conducting a discussion which has been carried out without name calling or any crass actions, if I'm wrong and I did/wrote something I shouldn't have, please point it out.

I like how you assume stuff about me. I like to think that my beliefs and opinions are anything but standardized. Thanks for the mature insult.

"I like to think that my beliefs and opinions are anything but standardized. "

That belief is likely the most standardized belief.

See how the message of the bible gets lost in argument and semantics??? Why can't people who believe in the bible simply love god with all their heart and their neighbour as themselves?

Well, we try to. In the big picture, you can still be trying to love people, even if every single word isn't phrased perfectly or comes out wrong, you can still have loving intentions. I believe more than anything in the world, if you understood the Bible, not just read it, it would transform your life. There might be rocky moments in trying to get that across to people, but please believe that the basis of wanting to do it is love. Becoming a Christian does not mean the Perfect Fairy comes and waves her wand over you. And engaging in debate is not bad in and of itself. I'm the first to admit, it is still possible for me to lose my temper, be sarcastic, or anything else that's not good. It happens a lot less than it used to, but I am still susceptible to ugly moments. I see your point about semantics. It is a good point. But just because I'm Christian doesn't mean that I hand out daisies and polish my halo all day. I still function in the world, have communication with people, and sometimes debate and/or confrontation is called for. I'm just a person. I believe when I am walking closely with God, I can forge ahead and point out the truths of His word to people. I argue with my mom sometimes but I still love her. I apologize for the TONE of the pacifier comment I made, but I was pointing out that that person was mimicking me instead of answering my question, highly immature behavior. I probably could have found a better way to say it. The visual aid was meant to show the person how they came across, it was not an insult, but rather a calling-out. I stand by the content of what I said. Hurt feeling were not intended, Cadetak47. Because I have thick skin I assume everyone does, and that is a fault of mine. And with a name like Cadetak47, I assumed you did too. *pitiful attempt at humor*

As a Christian, I truly beieve that. And frankly, I KNOW people who have pretty much gone crazy from trying to understand the bible litererally (Revelations in particular).

I myself attend my religious meetings, pray, and try to live a moral life. I do not spend an inordinate about of time trying to figure out what the mouthpieces of God were trying to tell me--the message is there, it's just not worth picking apart. You won't find me memorizing scripture, debating the good or bad of a few lines of text. You will find me doing my best to be moral, to be kind, to love God, to educate others in ALL ways, to open myself up to God's word from within myself. And if it wasn't enough, and I missed the bus to heaven, that's something I'm prepared to take responsibility for. It's all any of us can do.