why is the ufo phenomona something we humans need to hear about. this whole phenomona is a combination of myth-making, media lies, conspiracy goofs, and people are just wasting their time looking for aliens on earth bc their is an extremely low chance that their are aliens here tthat look just like us. please explain what is it in our psyche that makes us imagine aliens as human like?

I should think, rather logically, I hope, that it is because humans are the only intelligent beings we know of.
Thus, any speculations about alien beings would naturally involve somewhat human-like characateristics.

Since we've never seen an alien being, or an alien spacecraft, and since we have no evidence whatsoever that they are here, have ever been here, or ever actually will be, we imagine.

What would be more natural for a human, knowing nothing else, to imagine a being with human characteristics?



I also think we hear about the "UFO phenomenon" only because it exists. Unidentified flying objects have been seen, and are of course unidentified. Without explanation, the perhaps less-than-rational mind constructs all sorts of associated dribble with it, and thus, "theories" about extra-terrestrial craft, alien beings and abductions.


None of this has ever been substantiated of course, but it is the product of an aspect of human nature. Unfortunately, it tends to be taken to extremes in the present age...a wistful imagination, perhaps even a hope, combined with a decided lack of reasoning skills, critical thinking ability, and background in science, produces mythologies fit for consumption by the masees.


And, the masses feed!

The same thing that makes humans think God looks like them....

Exactly. Peoples only point of reference is humankind, & popular culture i.e. sci-fi films & tv. Ask yourself a simple
question:- How many species are there on this planet,... answer, millions.
question:- How many of those millions are humanoid in appearance,...answer, two. us & the great apes (from which we are decended)
So what are the chances of a creature from an alien planet, with an alien atmosphere, most probebly a different gravitational enviroment, a different distance from it's own sun,
a different sized sun, & countless other differences from our own, what are the chances of them being humanoid. And lets not forget that according to ardent believers these visitations
are too many to keep track of, so in effect they are that all these different aliens are all humanoid.......staggering
Just apply some simple logic & the answer soon jumps out at you.

If you peel away all the conspiracy and other nonsense, there is one or more real phenomena at work behind the UFO mysteries. I can't say for sure it's aliens, it could be anything. But there are too many high quality UFO reports that can't easily be explained away as 'myth making'.

As for humanoid aliens.. I don't completely buy the ET hypothesis myself, but if it were true, I can think of several reasons why aliens may look humanoid:

1- Evolutionary/Biological - Bipedal species might be the optimal form for an intelligent species capable of creating things. Dolphins may be intelligent, but they can't build very much with their flippers.
2- Disguise- Aliens may have the ability to disguise their appearance to conform to our expectations/fears.
3- They were humanoid first, and they engineered the human/ape species on Earth

I never did believe that we were the only ones in the whole of space, I am sure there are many, many species of aliens out there somewhere who have the means of travel that we haven't even dreamt of yet and, (gasps with horror) higher IQs.

Whether they are humanoid or not isn't really relevant, what is quite intriguing though is the increased amounts of sightings lately, wonder what they are up to lol.

I love this thread bc this is what I am always trying to say. Why is it that we think aliens, if they exist, are going to have to be measured by what we know, what we are used to? I always get the argument that in order for a species to be intelligent it has to be able to make things. I don't agree with this at all. Just like itsnotoutthere is saying, there are different atmospheres, gravity, distance from the sun, all of the factors which created us are going to be different on other planets. In addition, who's to say that the process which made us is the only process for life? Why can't there be multiple different processes for life when your in a different environment? It makes sense to me. When your a scientist making controlled experiments, you can change the variables and you've got a new experiment. Now the best thing would be if scientists could replicate certain other worlds and the conditions of that world into a computer and see if the computer makes life. We've been able to simulate global warming with computers, evolution, geological phases, the dinosaurs, seems to me that creating an alien environment and trying to pinpoint which factors actually do create life would be AWESOME. That would be the end of this debate of aliens, and we can solve it right here at home.

Yes and out of all the billions of species ever to have existed on planet Earth- only one, as far as we know, has ever been capable of space travel- and the one is humanoid shaped and I'm also sure, given enough time will one day be capable of interstellar travel.



A bit of lateral logic can go a long way.

Very small indeed. But one shouldnt be to hard on those who speculate in "human looking ETs". We do the obvious, and look for hints in Earths history. Earth is, after all, the only example we have. Since high IQ critters appeared here, theres a tendency to assume that our planet is just another typical, run-of-the-mill rocky world, and what happened on our planet might happen on their planet, too. Sooner or later, intelligence will arise.

But there are flies in this ointment.

Sixty-five million years ago, a rock the size of Brooklyn slammed into the Earth, wiping out three-fourths of all species, including the dinosaurs. If this hadnt happened, the rat-like mammals that eventually evolved into Homo sapiens wouldnt have inherited the world. And 245 million years ago, another catastrophe (known in polite society as the Permian extinction) wrote the end to an even larger percentage of species. These cosmic accidents were all forks in the long road that eventually led to us humans.

Maybe on other worlds, the road never takes those turns?

i believe that multicellular life and bacteria exist elsewhere. i dont think any of these multicellular lifeforms can use technology, and will be as advanced as animals , nothing more. alien planet is an example. notice how the planet is devoid of technology

read Jungs book on UFOs if you actually care to hear someone of intelligence discuss it. Haven't read it myself, but it should be up your alley, and should contain a tad bit more insight than UMers, no offense guys

There you go makaysa, take toyako's advise and read jung's books..er because they’re really big and full of clever words.
Even though he’s never read one.
I guess someone must've just told him they were intelligent.

What? Do you mean the Discovery Channel show?

UFO reality is no more a myth than the airplane, which some skeptics continued to believe even though the Wright Brothers' first flight took place days earlier.

And, of the millions of species on Earth, how many are capable of building and flying an airplane?

Looking at the documented data evidence collected by governments around the globe, the evidence points directly to intelligently controlled flying vehicles whose performance capabities far exceed anything that mankind has been able to devise on Earth. After all, the documented data evidence speaks for itself.



Critical thinking ability is what some skeptics think they've got but I have to say, they don't. That is why they still think that a Mogul balloon train, which records show never flew, was responsible for the Roswell incident and before that, they claimed that a weather balloon was involved. Then, the Air Force pulled another fast one over on the skeptics with its 1997 Roswell report, which stated that alien bodies people saw in 1947, were test dummies and accident victims of the 1950's. No one needs skills in critical thinking to see that the Air Force's cover-up story is bogus, just simple common sense is all that is needed.

I am sure there are scientist who have jumped on the UFO reality bandwagon so when a skeptic claims that scientist don't believe in UFOs then it shows they just didn't do their homework.

I think there is a disconnect here that quite often believers and skeptics do not realize is there.
I think most skeptics understand that the in the case of the Roswell incident, the balloon and dummy theory is indeed suspect. I tend to not believe these theories are adequate to explain the incident. However, even if it is a "cover-up", that does not prove that what happened was the crash of an alien piloted space craft. Meanwhile, many "believers" will take that as PROOF that a flying saucer full of aliens crashed. A cover up is NOT proof that something specific happened, it may just be proof that the government does not want us to know WHAT exactly happened.

There are valid reasons as to why I am going with the Air Force's first report and that is, the recovery of a downed flying saucer. First of all, the Air Force would not have concocted such a false story over a secret project. The name of the game when secrets crash is the keep a tight lid over the crash site and not bring any attention to a declared national securty zone. In the case of Roswell, the Air Force's news release brought worldwide attention to that location in New Mexico and it had nothing to do with balsa wood and tin foil nor a weather balloon or any balloon for that matter. Mogul balloon records of A.P. Crary, show that the Mogul balloon the Air Force claimed in its Roswell report as responsible for the Roswell incident, never flew and that is yet another important clue so why did the Air Force make a claim that it knew was false in that regard? Answer: Events surrounding the Roswell incident are being covered up by the government. Even former Congressman Steven Schiff, (R, N.M.) didn't bellieve a balloon was involved either and he also believed in the government cover-up regarding the Roswell incident.

Also, Mogul and Skyhook balloon scientist and other civilians in the local area were also witnessing and documenting their own flying saucer sightings. In fact, one of the admirals in-charge, not only saw flying saucers himself and reported it but came straight out and said the flying saucers were those of ET. A former commander of Wright-Patterson AFB, the officer who later overflew the area, has confirmed two crash sites, not one and stated that the Roswell incident was also an ET event. Other miltiary and civilian personnel at Wright-Patterson AFB, who examined the Roswell debris have stamped their own ET approval on the Roswell incident as well. So, here is where Mogul and Skyhook balloon scientific teams, military personnel at Roswell AAF, and military and civilian personnel at Wright-Patterson AFB, all confirming that the Roswell incident was indeed, an ET event and they were the kind of folks who were in prime positions to know one way or another.

Their belief has been backed by the very people I noted above.



What secret project crashed at Roswell in 1947 that was so advanced that the govenment feels compelled to keep it a secret to this very day?

Carl Jung, the famous psychologist, also theorized that UFOs might have a primarily spiritual and psychological basis. In his 1959 book "Flying Saucers: A Modern Myth of Things Seen In The Sky", he pointed out that the round shape of most saucers corresponds to a mandala, a type of archetypal shape seen in religious images. Thus the saucers might reflect a projection of the internal desires of viewers to see them. However, he did not out rightly label them a delusion or hallucination; it was more in the nature of a shared spiritual experience.

However, Jung seemed conflicted as to possible origins. At other times he asserted that he wasn't concerned with possible psychological origins and at least some UFOs were physically real, based primarily on indirect physical evidence such as photographs and radar contact in addition to visual sightings. He also considered the extraterrestrial hypothesis to be viable. One such quote from Jung in 1958 from Associated Press had him stating, "A purely psychological explanation is ruled out... If the extraterrestrial origin of these phenomena should be confirmed, this would prove the existence of an intelligent interplanetary relationship... That the construction of these machines proves a scientific technique immensely superior to ours cannot be disputed."

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If the U.S. had admitted in 1947 to having evidence of ET origin, to whatever extent, there would have been implications. If they said they had a fender that had fallen off a UFO, the world would not be content. The Russians (remember WWII?) would naturally make every conceivable assumption, and want access to innumerable U.S. classified avenues leading from this. The world would always presume there was more to the story, and hold it against the USG, to this day.

If today, they said as much, the same reactions would still happen. Distrust, media slurs, etc. Such a disclosure will never happen, in my opinion. It serves no one outside of a select few- if ET is true at all.

As for myth making, the peeling of that onion begins with organized religion. Fast forward to Madame Blavatsky, who was a Russian medium-spiritualist-student of tibetan gurus who preached direct contact from the Brotherhood of ascended prayer-wheel manufacturers.

Then, there was the very able George Adamski, who capitalized on the mixing of philosophy, science, and contact from the Brotherhood of ascended ufonauts. He wrote, lectured, and used photography to spread his myths.

There were one or two other similar individuals who took up his mantle after he died, around 1965.

Adamski and those I mentioned, were ultimately instruments of UFO-related myth that took belief to new heights, for gullible people in this world.

I did some further reading on the history of the myth factor regarding ET and ufology. It was absolutley the most bizzare group of people and circumstances that promulgated the contactee myth, channeling of aliens myth, space brothers, grey aliens, popularity of lights in the sky as aliens, etc.

I won't mention names, but the history of those in the previous 80 years or so, who cultured this business (for whatever individual purposes) is an example of the lowest intellectual common denominator.

All the rest- stories of jet intercepts, base shut-downs, etc, are probably from people or assets of "The Company", as far as I can guess.

Really, I now deem it a waste of resources and time.