well, people. i need cold hard facts. personally, i would like some geological points of views.
at least a bit more, anyways. that'd be great.

and maybe some religious views too? i think that would be interesting to include in my research paper.
anything else that you guys think would add some character in my paper just go ahead and add it to this thread.

:]

thanks so much.
-Angie

Series of islands, that sounds a lot like hawaii...

or ANY OTHER series of islands ALL AROUND THE WORLD !!!

well,well,well three holes in the ground,thats a deep subject.

when looking for islands one should look to the north in canada their is hundreds of islands and when you go to the

south in the u.s and you got the carabbeian islands and you could say that if you sailed from either way you would come

across many ,many islands .

but the truth is in knowing where the capitale island sits.

and you can find out that by looking at the geoligy of cape breton island .

awww realllyyyyy ????
omg i see the light now

THANK YOU !!!

Good lord.

I have avoided the Atlantis Threads for months and when I come back I see this STILL going on.

I assume people have asked for evidence already?

MAD aerial photos of Paddocks doesn't prove that Cape Breton is the Capital of a global spanning empire.

http://www.unknowncountry.com/mindframe/opinion/?id=18



According to author Jim Brandon, "I was told by two different commercial seers of the ancient network of caverns that supposedly honeycombs the area. I have heard it claimed that these are 'Atlantean'...but then so is everything else, according to a certain kind of occult fancier Others conclude that the supposed tunnels were, or are, tied in with an underground cult of power trippers."

It is not known how the Burnes family learned of the tunnels' existence. They may have been told by an elderly Nanticoke spiritual advisor. Or perhaps the children were picking berries on a hot July day a couple of years earlier and felt the cool breeze from the fissure.

The tunnels are said to run underneath the major avenues in Washington, with smaller branch tunnels going down, among others, Whitehaven Street.

Bu the "Tubalcain Tunnel" isn't the only attraction in Spookville.

A more complete rendition of what Holzer and Mrs. Meyers encountered in the old Wilson House can be found in Holzer's 1971 book, The Ghosts That Walk in Washington. Just as Wilson's ghost predicted, then-President Richard M. Nixon was working on his detente policy with the Soviet Union, leading to his summit meeting with Leonid Brezhnev in 1972. And in 1989, the Berlin Wall came down, Germany reunified, and Mikhail Gorbachez began his policy of glasnost, i.e. friendly relations with the USA. A year later, then- President George Bush, the new president's father, announced the beginning of "the New World Order." Will the rest of the ghostly prophecy come true? Time will tell.

As for those weird tunnels under the city, perhaps we can find a clue to their origin in the name of the city's riverside Anacostia district. Anacostia is a corruption of the Babticoke word Analostan, which means New Atlantis.



http://www.promedia.net/users/vtown/ishtar.html


In Atlantean times, 25000 years ago, when Earth became a quarantined planet under the occupation of dark forces, one part of forces of light withdrew under the surface and built there a civillization of many cities of light, interconnected with vast system of tunnels. In those Atlantean cities, beings were pursuing their spiritual path under the vigilant guidance of the King of the world, lord Sanat Kumara. This kingdom of light is known by the name of Agartha or Shamballa and must not be confused with Shamballa which exists on the etheric plane since Lemuria and which served as a spiritual beacon for the underground civillization.

http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/update...c/m10-009.shtml



It's amazing how much of the more recent UFO info mentions aliens living underground...


And the legends... myths... from all over the world... including much of the ancient Egyptian writings.. all speak of powerful influential people living underground or in mountains......

Could the pyramids of the world just be elaborate doorways...entrances or exits for these alien???? underground dwellers...Atlanteans who accasionally surface and share knowledge...?????

Well, since we've clearly left the rational sphere behind, my basset hound Sebastian told me about the great underground city of Basselopolis where ham flows like water. He's the emperor there and has guided spiritual evolution over this planet since he was born in early 2002.
Soon, as foretold by ancient Sumerian/Tibetan phrophecy, all his people shall come to the surface to sniff our crevices and pee on our trees.

--Jaylemurph

Hahahaha, LMAO when I read that!

all i can really say to this is "READ MY SIGNATURE"

,,, but it's as good an explanation as any....


http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Bases.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/st...2024764,00.html

http://www.reptilianagenda.com/research/r110199k.shtml
In the summer and fall of 1933, a Los Angeles mining engineer named G.Warren Shufelt was surveying the L.A. area for deposits of oil, gold and other valuable materials, using a new device which he had invented. Shufelt had designed and built a radio-directed apparatus which he claimed was able to locate gold and other precious resources at great depths. He believed that the radio device worked on a newly discovered principle involving electrical similarities of matter which had the same chemical, physical and vibrational character. His device appeared to consist of a large pendulum suspended in a cylindrical glass case which was housed in a black box with compasses on it.

The pendulum would trace a line directly from a piece of ore broken from a vein to the vein it was originally taken from. Hair taken from a test subject would lead investigators to the person who had donated the hair sample. It was said to have worked even at a distance of many miles.

Although he would not tell exactly what was in the box, Shufelt believed that by tuning into the individual frequency of a particular material, he could locate similar matter. He believed that the emanations and gravitational factors of matter influenced the pendulum and that, in principle, no two separate things were exactly alike.

Shufelt was extremely puzzled when one day, while taking readings near downtown Los Angeles, his instruments showed him what seemed to be a pattern of tunnels which led from what is now the Public Library in the heart of L.A. to the top of Mount Washington and the Southwest Museum to the north in Pasadena. He proceeded to draw a map and had it copyrighted.

By the beginning of February 1934, the first shaft had reached a depth greater than 250 feet and was still being dug, despite difficulty caused by the water encountered in its path. Several newspaper articles featured updates on the project.

Shortly after all the media attention was focused on this search for the lost city under L.A., the project was suddenly stopped and abandoned. On 5th March 1934, the shafts had been filled in and the contract with the city was canceled. Neither gold nor any other treasure was ever turned over to the County of Los Angeles.

Mr Arche Dunning of the Los Angeles Chamber of Commerce stated in December of 1947 that, "It is quite possible, of course, that the supposed labyrinth really exists. But in view of the fact that the overlaying area is the immediate Civic Center area where an important building program is to be carried out, including federal, state, county and city building, there is little probability of any further excavations."

This is really not a true statement because it is necessary to excavate many hundreds of feet into the ground before a high-rise building can be constructed. Also, one should consider that sewage systems are all underground. And let's not forget the new Metro Rail System, which rises up from many feet below the Civic Center before it speeds commuters on their way.

Long ago even the Chinese dug tunnels around the area which is now the train yard. These red brick subsurface tunnels were used for their safe passage, from one end of Old Chinatown to the other and are now an historic landmark found preserved at Alvera Street.

It is quite possible that there is another city below the L.A. Civic Center which only a small
number of people have access to. The question is, who?

(Source: Unicus magazine 2/92.1142 Manhattan Avenue, Suite 43, Manhattan Beach, CA
90266. USA)

What he discovered appeared to be a well planned underground labyrinth with large rooms located at various points, and deposits of apparently man made gold in the chambers and passage ways. Some of the tunnels ran west for 20 miles under the Santa Monica Bay, which he believed were only used for ventilation.

Unfortunately, Shufelt had no idea that they were connected to the older ruins of an even greater city which was covered by the Pacific Ocean thousands of years ago during a tremendous earth-quake and subsequent flood.

The subterranean complex he had discovered was used for emergencies and was only designed to accommodate 5,000 people or less. Food supplies of imperishable herbs were stored in sufficient quantities which would enable the survivors to live underground until it was safe to come back to the surface. Valuable personal belongings and utensils were also brought into the complex along with historical records and gold treasures.

During his research, he met a Hopi Indian named Chief Little Green Leaf, who told him about the legend of an ancient race of "Lizard People". The legends said that about 4,000 to 5,000 years ago, an enormous meteor shower fell on the western coast covering an area hundreds of miles wide.



Los Angeles Times, January 29, 1934



"Lizard People's Catacomb City Hunted
Engineer Sinks Shaft Under Fort Moore Hill to Find Maze of Tunnels

and Priceless Treasures of Legendary Inhabitants


By: Jean Bosquet
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_an.../reptiles27.htm

I would dispute that.
...and I would counter: logic and logical answers tends towards concision, simplicity and brevity. This is called Occam's Razor.

--Jaylemurph

Kind of like ignoring all contradicting or anomolous facts and information to aid in simplifying history...

In the old days they did this too... if anything was out of the ordinary, it was of the devil... and so had to be purged...

these days we are no longer so superficial... if a herb can cure a disease... they are no longer interested in the herb... they need to take it apart chemically to find the key ingredient...

All I'm sayin' is I never quoted pages upon pages of outside text to make a point!

--Jaylemurph

i think u didnt understand me

QUOTE(when.i.am.queen. @ Jan 10 2007, 06:57 AM) [snapback]1495051[/snapback]

Here is a crazy thought

... perhaps.....not?

I found this interesting article today....

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_ali..._watchers05.htm

This place, again like the legends of Shambala, has the ability to veil itself from the eyes of humans. It holds no place on any map because the actual distance is unknown, the island cannot be seen from above, despite numerous attempts, and no one can prove that they’ve actually set foot on it’s shores, if it has any. Only treacherous cliffs are observed, and none has reached it or even gone all the way round it. The main reason it isn’t included on any map are the many superstitions related to the island and her inhabitants.

Many tall tales are told in the little villages of fishing voyages in proximity of this mysterious island; of seeing strange, dark ships in it’s waters with crews of very tall people in equally mysterious garb (Garments that SHIMMER... refer back to the description of the garments of the Angels at the Tomb of Jesus in Luke 24:4.) These crewmen have been reported to have a low blue tint to their skins. The people of the area have now given them the name of Delvar Nar.

Any attempts to approach the island are thwarted by the ocean herself, never allowing the ships to get closer than 100 or so miles. No structures of any kind have ever been observed, no empirical clues of habitation except for those dark ships. Even through binoculars s the ships themselves are always barely out of focus, surrounded in fog and mist from the sea.
The fishermen of the villages believe that these people are blue-toned supernatural humanoids (ang[els]?) and stay clear from the island, despite the excellent fishing conditions.

Apparently they may come in different heights, as people today do, as explorer Jacques Cousteau once boasted about coming in contact with a similar people. His blue people were smaller in stature, roughly the height of your average human. However... these people may have been the descents of the Blue Moovians as I will get to later on in this article.

There was papers found in a chest belonging to a Norseman , which told a story about a fishing vessel that was lost to a fierce storm a good many decades ago. Of the thirty man crew, only two survived. After being found by some locals, several days later, they told an incredible story of being at sea by tall, muscular, dark blue men who yanked them from the freezing waters and brought them aboard their ship, made of a black wood that neither of them had seen before. Their rescuers wore long coats with high collars, made of a material they had also never seen, that appeared to SHIMMER black and blue as it moved in the wind.

The men were bald but had shiny black hair from the base of the skull and fanned outward a bit. Some wore a black metallic band around their foreheads with unknown markings etched in them, others had hats with rounded top and wide brims, and all wore belts with strange objects attached. Their eyes were dark as midnight under low arches and a hint of a brow. They were never spoken to directly at first, but could hear mumblings in a language they were not at all familiar with as they conversed amongst themselves.

They were stowed in a small room below deck with little light emanating from unseen lamps. The room itself held nothing but cushions atop a dark rug, ornately decorated with silver designs, again like nothing they had seen before.

They were silently given fresh water, thick blankets, and a plate of meats and fruit. After some hours, the doors to the hatch were opened and sunlight streamed in. They were gently taken by the arm and led off the vessel and into a smaller boat of the same design.


This vessel itself appeared to be docked between two high cliffs in a narrow bay that tapered off into the distance and seemed to have no end. One man glanced up at the cliffs and swore he saw windows and doors with light pouring out from them, but that could not be accessible from the bay itself, being hundreds of feet above their position.

One Delvar Nar finally spoke to them saying, in perfect Norska, "we will take you home now."


It was then that the men noticed his skin closely matched that of his long coat, subtly changing hue from the darker blue to slightly lighter shades, as ripples across a pond. They thought it might be a reflection from the sea, but their position on the boat betrayed that thought as the edge of the boat was a few feet away.


The voice was low and melodic, and made the two feel rather drowsy as they felt a warm mist surround them, envelop them, until they then found themselves in the forest a few miles from their village.

From that day on, the villagers swore to leave the island in peace and never discuss it with outsiders.



http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/archi..._shambhala.html

Atlantis is a wonderful place! If you go to any book or website, they will say the same thing. But they won't know where it is. or where it was. I will tell you where it was if you promise not to say anything to anybody about it.
This earth was the spot of ground that was Antlantis. This earth is the rock that has people, and that's a hint! On what other rock have we found people?! The Atlanteans must've blasted off into space. No, we're right here. But, there has been roads and cities found under water . . . That's right, but we are here. See, there has been people looking high and low and they found stories of civilizations so advanced and they could fly . . . That's right, but we're here. No, no they say that the Atlanteans had found the elixir of life that made you live forever. Yeah, that's right. Well, where is Antlantis? Right here. I will explain.
Aren't you alive?

Oh, I forgot to mention, there is many websites I think on 'The Tablets of Thoth.' Copy them and read them and keep them. If you copy them one sided, it will be about 200 pages more or less. It is written by the keeper of the records that may be buried under the Great Sphinx and it tells much more.

But, that may be a little late for your report, sorry. But I don't know if this helps this is from another topic in this forum and it is by somebody else:

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"How did I get there? I received some non-local "guidance", which brought me there almost immediately upon arriving at Giza, with a form of "Andromedian" Deja Vu for of remote viewing. This article is just one of the numerous revelations that are making grounds now on the Giza plateau, which we will cover on this site.

But it was on two previous occasions, when the Hallway Of Records (HOR) the Egyptian pictographics became alive and bespoke themselves into a higher form of cortical brain activation, that this location proximity was indicated. This especially came out in December 1997 in the Tomb of Tuthmosis 3. Here, for more than an hour I explained 32 others the spontaneous living wisdom of this tomb. "

from http://wolf.mind.net/osiris/index.html

Seems to me news of this magnitude may /just/ have slipped out into the mainstream if it actually happened.
I can see why you wouldn't want to quote the site directly.

--Jaylemurph
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This tells of what is around the Great Pyramid and the Sphinx which is in the Tablets of Thoth, the great magician and the ruler of the Atlanteans.

well, im so sorry that i need information.


dont act so annoyed.

i think angie because i use the geoligy and a littel spirituality to harminize one big family, which our god the father is the head.

and they are still stuck at the torso.

any way back to the facts that are writen in stone, cape breton island has these terranes that make her up and its how these terrane come together

that is unique.

Y'all are thinking too small to explain Atlantis.

The source of the tale of Atlantis grew from wriitngs found that describe the trade of nations back in 350 BC. It was not called Atlantis, maybe it was Atlan or something. But the tale grew from the descriptions found of long long long before the flood. It is so hard to describe something that you won't believe, but I don't know how to stop the flow of words in me. There are other posts topics that I have described what Atlantis was, but there is nothing anybody can do with that information or any information about Atlantis. Atlantis is gone! Never to return. If you want to know, we are the surviving Atlanteans.

all in the end will come back to the whole and be one ,no matter how BIG or how SMALL.

cape breton island yes is small when you compare it to a island lets say like aussies island down under.

but the cape breton island of today is just the capstone of somthing that is much,much bigger.

and the land that i talk about with my family is just the cornerstone thats all ,no matter how BIG or how SMALL.

C Sage,

Your Berzin Archives Link is proving a fascinating read. Been on it reading up on the history of perpetuated legends of Agartha & Shambala and their incorporation into political pulls and pre and post war revolutions. How close it all is to the mark is anyone's guess, but Im particularly interested in Germans and Hitlers ties to these occult lands.

thanks for the link

hay guys now their sending me messages island continut and what better exampil of an island continut than aussie land down under

its a continut yes but surrounded by water ,still lookes like an island from up here .

my lack as you would say just shows me your ignorants of what is.

are we getting personal cause i can get personal but that just brings on the mod-hounds or is it because it was sent in secrap oops sorry for my spelling

in secret spelling isent my thing i look for john for the word and he shows me the way in that airea.

My apologies. That comment was directed in its entirety towards MAD's claims.

That you are researching Atlantis is a great thing. It is a very interesting Philosophical structure. I daresay it has been suggested earlier but here are the original texts Timaues and Critias, even if you believe that Atlantis was more then Plato has described and consider it to be a supersociety these are still important reads, indeed any research on Aatlantis would be pointless if these are not referenced.

Not to mention they are great reads. Could I also point out that Platos unwillingness to complete Critias could be considered a major detractor from the actuallity of the legend. It suggests that he considered the story so unimportant that it was better to continue to more important things. Not to menting that he never wrote his Hermocrates, which is the obviously required third dialogue.

Anyhow, my apologies if you felt my statement was directed at yourself. It was not. However MAD's claims have the ulmost supernatural ability to annoy me.

AtlantisRises

Ok. Thank you for that info.

was it you that sent it na it was pax funny if not one well you find the udder

Sir... i believe we are ALL on the same boat i this one lol




and i am still wondering how is it that MAD can post 20 posts in perfect english... than turn around and post like 5-6 that make no sense at all and every other word is totally misspelled

Wow, I know what you mean.
I'm sorry to say it, but this completely annoys and confuses me.






What exactly does it mean? I believe, my friends, that this is a mystery unto itself...
*Dun Dun Dunna!*

Thank you! It astounds me that the word 'Atlantis' continues soar to such astronamical assumptions without the original text being considered in the slightest. Even with cross-cultural referrences, in order for one to rightly use the 'Atlantis' title, all similarities would have to hold up to the cornerstone of it's original texts. Not to mention that it wasn't Platos' story at all, as it came from Critias the Elder in recountment of his uncles travels to Egypt. Many thanks for putting out the dialogues.

Your very welcome.

I used to be a regular in the Atlantis Threads as my UserName might suggest, unfortunately every single one is a rehash of the previous ones. As a result I have been avoiding them a little but I thought I would stop by and low and behold, I see MAD confusing everyone with the same claims that drove me away 3 months ago.

I contacted the cast from C.S.I. and Law and Order respectively.

Their Conclusion: He was drunk.

Posting under the influence kills threads, over five million threads died last year alone.

Which CSI is this ??? miami ?? or is it original ?

About two years ago i was watching discovery channel or one of them and they were discussing various places atlantis could be, surprisingly no one here has mentioned this last concept:

Atlantis somewhere off between India and Austrailia. They took Platos description and took into account of only the KNOWN world at the time, one reasoning to why it was called "Atlantis" is surmised cause it lay to the west in the Atlantic Ocean thru the straights of gibralter or known as the pillars of hercules, BUT supposedly there were more then one pillars of hercules or at one time it was located elsewhere. Going with that tha pillars could have been located elsewhere the only plausible point that I personaly could see would be between Yemen and Ethiopia but my historical geography isnt that versed so i dont know and dont remember if they said on whether you could have reached the indian ocean from the mideterrainian from that route but bear with me. Also stated by plato is that there was water so thick that travel was near impassable, appearantly around MAldives south by south west of India in an east west direction there are some form of coral or reed that is similar in reality to what plato described, thick and impassable... India is often considered the Hub of humanity (someone please state the tru phrase i am trying to parlay here), and that India has one of the most diverse flora and fauna around the globe not to mention ELEPHANTS as someone else mentioned...

TO me this would seem plausible, we at the time didnt know of the western hemispheres continent North and South america so in reasoning the Atlantic ocean could have also been considered part of the area East of india, also given tectonic plate shifts and gradual land shifting through out the years, and possibly was located more east then i said earlier in this post near Indonesia, of course consideration again given to the whole idea of shifting this and that blahblah...

Also (out of order in my laying out this information) Since most of the known world (at that time) that is africa, asia and europe wasnt fully explored or thorough cartography wasnt completed, even lower tips of africa and possibly the indonesian islands as well as other oceanic islands were not common to man and could have been mistaken or identified as being a new continent altogether could come into play in the whole atlantis scheme.

To me i really like this idea as personally i believe the cradle of life(is that what i was trying to say up there?) began around India, its probably not a unique theory whoever originaly came up with it for the show but it does have sound possiblities once WE remember that certain parts of the world were not known to them as they are to us... So if Atlantis was a real planet it could have been based off india, possibly connecting to Indonesia, when it sank the people used landbridges or whatever to flow to india, some of course stayed on indonesia, mayhap even sailed on the current to new locations, South america, Japan, Austrailia-New Zealand etc and hence a world wide memory of the great catastrophe and maybe allegations to tha great flood.

When you take into consideration more then just the aspect of plato such as how some cultures seem to be related it could give great clues to finding what weve all been missing. And what i mean by the previous sentance is that we have three basic... Race types of humans (again someone give me correct wording) : we have the "Aryan" the "negroid" and the proto-meditarranian or something... meaning: Dutch, sweedish, netherlands, german and INDIA indians as Aryan, Negroid as obviously tha range of africa and parts of middle east not including India, and then lastly the Proto mediterranian which would be the basic races around that area, italy, greek, Russian, parts of the middle east also then we can look at migration... blahblahblah long winded story shortened: the migration of civilization started nearparts of india and expand outwards, america, north that is, was partially founded by the mixing of india-aryan with proto mediterranian (eventually asian thru russian features) into alaska and down, Europe became aryan dominated with mixing of negroid and proto to help create more diverse sub races in the areas between Germany-greece-italy and Russia, the Aryan indian possibly remixed with new negroid-oceanic races and traveled east to hawaii, easter island then landing in south america, then general non mixing or localied mixing to create the basic races we have now... it could speculate that South of india was the location of this fabled land thru various means.

Now i know this isnt sound and even to me theres things which could be refuted by those learned in this field but im just throwiing out ideas that most havent, i dont stand by this 100% and its not MY theory but one seen on reputable documentary shows but i do think things here are plausible, and the whole tangent about the basic 3 races is something i threw in from other reading that could help understand that IF atlantis is in that area it could show how we as people came about.

I REALLY wish i could be definate on which show it was but i cant, and the whole race things, i think it can be looked up. AS you can tell im long winded and i left a few things out either due to forgetting or no need I THINK to futher elaborate on a few of the points mentioned. PLEASE, thoughts on this, plausible, not plausible, other added ideas towards this?

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i found this but i dont think it is related to the exact same study on the show i seen, could be or could be someone elses theory but hey its a theory anyways.

http://www.india-atlantis.org/

there is ONLY 1 way to exit Mediterranean Sea .. and thats through "Gibraltar"

and the IDEA of ATLANTIS is that they were WAR power that took over western Europe and parts of Northwestern Africa... so let me ask u what would be the point of going all the way around the continent of Africa and Europe... than start concoring both from the NORTH down south ???
getting to the Greece would be MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH faster on land lol ...
anyways its a fresh idea but its unlikely that its true lol

it's nice to see people giving out their opinions and ideas on this topic. i never regretted joining this community. thanks co-UM members.

As i said earlier the world wasnt mapped accordingly so logic would say THEY didnt know what lie around them untill they travelled. But who is to say that at one point there wasnt any other access... floods could have made rivers higher and possibly able to be entered thru the east, and its not just this once have i heard of more then one pillar of herculese. You have to take into consideration that things have changed alot especially geography if at least in connection with water paths, its about realizing that what WE know today was a totally different thing then. So its POSSIBLE but we just dont know what has changed aside the obvious that IF there was a path from the east in the general area i mentioned its dried up (*rivers dried up making a natural hill and field?) or maybe some thing caused it to be disconnected. (looking at a map i DO find it hard to see where a pass would be on the east, altho i remember in school that the straights of gibralter were at one time also impassable and could have been at the time of atlantis.)

as to answer your question there could be many reasons why if intentional a conquering nation might go aroun if they knew a big land mass lie in their way instead of the direct route thru land,,, Season, terrain, maybe they did take the path west and charted the land or took slaves to help thier labor, maybe surprise effort to attack from one direction and just go stright home conquirng everything in thier paths or even a two pronged attack, one very large force via boat and another smaller distracting force from the land, hell in the general area i suggested from memory and theory is that they would only have to travel short distance and they would be in the mediterrainian sea.

The thing is theres nothing to say it couldnt be tru aside from the disbelief on something that happened nigh 14200 years ago, (11200 for the displacement of platos time plus the 2000 + from platos time to our time). Remember America was "discovered" by columbus looking for a trade route to the West indies and since no common concept of the american continents exhisted they thought they could just go west and hit them, same concept in essence, take a Water route to conquer..... et al et al. my point is where they could be located not how they waged war, by the way, Atlanteans were supposedly a BIG maritime nation, maritime being SEA-OCEAN travelling people, so theres your answer in a long ass winded form, lol, they travelled all they way around as they are skilled water travellers and would suited them better since boats could house lots of everything. lol damn i do ramble on sorry

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i say west indies but i think that as a whole is incorrect, i mean to imply Indonesia and India proper. sorryfor anyconfusion

Zag,
Good to see a more analytical approach in theorizing what could possibly fit into the Atlantean scenario. I like where your going with it. One of the best books I've read on the subject approached it the same way. Looking into cultural and physiological traits of different regions as well as the stages of man (Stone/Bronze/Golden ages) and possible ways a continent could've been destroyed through poll shifts etc, etc... I'll have to find that book again and look into it.

http://www.morien-institute.org/uwnews2002.html

... some happy snaps of Mahabalipuram

http://www.deanernst.com/blog/gallery/phot...uram_Visit.html

http://www.morien-institute.org/uwnews2006a.html

http://praylu.blogspot.com/2007/02/mahabalipuram-ruins.html
A major discovery of submerged ruins was made in April of 2002 offshore of Mahabalipuram in Tamil Nadu, South India. The discovery, at depths of 5 to 7 meters (15 to 21 feet) was made by a joint team from the Dorset based Scientific Exploration Society (SES) and marine archaeologists from India’s National Institute of Oceanography (NIO) following up a theory first proposed by best-selling author Graham Hancock. Hancock, who dived with the expedition, collected myths and traditions of Mahabalipuram which spoke of a great flood in the area in remote times that had inundated an ancient city and interviewed local fishermen who pointed the way to a series of large submerged structures.Expedition-leader Monty Halls commented “Our divers were presented with a series of structures that clearly showed man made attributes. The scale of the site appears to be extremely extensive, with fifty dives conducted over a three day period covering only a small area of the overall ruin field. This is plainly a discovery of international significance that demands further exploration and detailed investigation.”



there are remnants of ancient submerged cities being found all over the world... they may not all have been Atlantis... but they could well have traded with Atlanteans....or holidayed at Atlantis..

Thanks, i see that on various forums people would rather put forth Thier personal opinion rather then justifactions as to the Reasons or what not yes or no on subjects. We all just need to remember tht our theories and points are just as valid and that when someone Else puts forth thiers they are not inherently trying to Change our opinions but rather another point of view to look at, you can keep "your" opinions but still look at it from other perspectives and think "ohhhhhh" lol. (this does not directly imply to anyone on this specific topic but in generalization)

Id be much interested in the book or information pertaining to that book and other theories that could be. Everyone heres pretty much got good theories plausible and not.

OK here it goes ...

Number 1 on this map represents the place where this theory believes Atlantis is located at ...
Number 2 is Straight of Gibraltar " beyond which the Atlantis is located BY ONLY REFERENCE WE HAVE
Number 3 is of course Europe area which was taken over by atlanteans (even though there is nothing in ANY country's history to support the fact)
and last number 4 is the area that has NO Recollection of atlanteans ever existing yet its also the area through which u believe atlanteans came to attack Athens (this would be the green line) none of these country's by Plato's account were taken over only European once were how is that possible ??? did atlanteans drive by Athens go up to the northern part of Europe and than decided to start taking everything over on their way back home ??? quiet an idea lol

and lastly THE RED line would represent only other way for atlanteans to come to Europe ... idk how technologically advanced you guys believe this civilization was but would be VERY hard to take a trip like that and be strong enough to fight and take over a continent







here is something to think about

"words of the American classical scholar Daniel Dombrowski:
'Atlantis was only a powerful literary device invented by Plato, which was to act as a means of highlighting the fate of the ideal state created in Plato's mind's eye. The only place in which Atlantis can be found, in addition to the writings of Plato, is in the minds of those with an imagination as vivid as that of Plato.'"

Very good Bosanchero.

The last quote is something I agree with %101 Atlantis was a literary device no more, no less.

ZagChavez that your theories concerning Tectonic Shift is totally wrong. The difference in the continental positions over only the last 10,000 years is infinitesimal. Tectonic Shift is only relevant over millions of years so Idonesia was no closer to Europe 10,000 years ago then it is today.

Nice. But YOU suggested they attacked athens and what not ALL i did was answer questions you asked, working off the theory i presented by proxy and lapsed memory. See im not arguing a point im showing an alternative to the mainline concept.

DO correct me if im wrong on this part but the story goes something like this,, atlantis was located past the pillars of herculese, which is what those REAL professional educated guys on the subject said too, except those educated professional guys mentioned that either 1) there were more then one Pillars of herculese or that 2) the pillars were moved at a later time to what would become the straights of Gibraltar (dont ask me i didnt create the theory just working logically and expanding off it) SO IF the pillars were moved or there was another location for them (as in more then one pillar of herc) then the possible solution would be somewhere else right? again its been roughly 14200 years since atlantis was purported to have sunk, its very possible and probable the region could have changed such as water receeding, hence a reason to move the pillars or as they did back then in ways we dont know., moved massive objects around at some king or emporers(sp) whim... so that covers not argumentively but abjectively number 2 on your list...

3 as u said has no merit whatsoever except conjecture so its a moot point.

4 is something you presented that i worked off as to answer a possiblity to your question BUT to elaborate, IF they were located where the theory suggested then all they would need to is load up some boats travel up the red sea and where the future suez canal would be and then (this is the part where i agree with most people on how its not possible) rebuild or craft much smaller boats from thier bigger ones ( some civilizations WERE capable of taking apart and rebuilding thier ships for this very purpose ) then travel BY SEA around to thier destination,, remember you are asking a question on a non exhistant theater of war and i am equally presenting a how to that non exhistant war could have been achieved alternately(sp)
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4b HOW could no one see them? maybe they conquerd them, given the fact that 14200 years ago there probably wasnt more then 2 million humans on the planet, thus, conquering small bands of people or wiping them out altogether would be a logical answer to your question on why no reports of.... remember im not arguing but giving valid reasoning to your questions... BUT here, The sphinx is said to house the records (hor) or something i dont know its name off hand, maybe they DID go this route, kick it with the egyptians and give em advice on a few things while they built more boats on the other side and then off they go, there, two ways this could have happened.

BUT my personal theory to your questions IS that they went around, unententionaly around africa, remember they might not have surveyed and known about the southern tip of africa and intended to just go west then north but finding the landmass far bigger then they expected they had to travel south or go home and mount anohter expedition. IF atlantis was in the area suggested then logically by boat this would been the best abd easiest way since they could have all they need and not exhaust manpower on the trip across land up to athens et.al. Lastly its commonly accepted that atlanteans were the strongest maritime force as i said earlier this means naval (boats) so YES they COULD be possible to mount up huge numbers (i think plato said atlantis had a population of 1million people, exagerated? who knows but some scholor said he said it not i) and do thier thing. Also to go with my previous statement about population,,, if atlantis were to have one million people at a time the rest of the known world had roughly the same or just more, then by shear number they could dominate, -remember we are working with what plato said not our conjecture.

So see all ive said is possible but im not arguing that IT DID HAPPEN, just alternatives to theories already out there. When u understand that then you might see the plausibility in what ive drawn up here. If you want i can also go into details on why its possible England and Ireland could be atlantis, why it could be between american continents and europe-africa, why it could be austrailia and new zealand or even antarctica.. stop arguing ( critisizing, being cynical, etc ) and look at perspectives

ALSO remember that what we know today they only knew 10 % of so we have to look at everything from what THEY know not what we know, otherwise all points arguments ideas and theories are wasted.

as for you bold type, THAT is the real thing to think about, and ive heard that said and suggested many many times, words to think about indeed mate, nice ending you have!

And the REAL proffesionally educated guys also say on the subject that it never existed. Or at least 90% do.

The FACT of the matter is that apart from one of Platos minor dialogues and an incomplete dialogue there is absolutely, positively NO evidence, whatsoever for atlantis. Apart from Dreamers like Cayce who's evidence is rubbish at best.

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Now I think about it. Maybe Atlantis is based on actual civilizan. Like I said before the real name was lost in time. ^^;; But who knows.

hmhmh ok i guess u dont see my point
maybe another map will demonstrate better i get on that right now

You are correct atlantis but i wasnt saying it as a definate, just one of who knows many variables, if you notice i didnt focus much on tectonic shifting as i did just gradual changes such as drought, but the concept around indonesia is that the atlantis would have sunk leaving what is now indonesia, i think one of the guys said it was all landmass from india to indonesia.. See the person asked about atlantis so to me the concept of if it exhisted is a side bar not a particular point thats directly requested.

but i do like how you say my theories when all i did was quickly mention it and gave no actual thoery on it, just said something real fast mate, so wrong , no cause it wasnt a definate, i agree tho but tectonic shifting is what causes earthquakes and as we know California and japan get them alot and they dont span centuries in the making, in fact tectonic plates shift so gradually that in some places mountains actually seem to grow a few inches every so often, years or decades but the fact is its still happening. Seeing as MOST of us know it didnt exhist its stilll ok to talk about it as if it did, which is the tru point i think to this entire subject. the who the waht the where the when of this fabled land and since the topic is not "did atlantis exhist" its rather moot to worry about that part.

Was that aimed at me? Because my post wasn't aimed at you. I just threw my post out there. ^^

no lol i was talking about "ZaGChavez"

Yes please elaborate cause last i knew you were asking questions and trying to debunk some thing and i was trying to answer you and give you reasons why they might work. do tha map please, and im being serious not sarcastic, PLEASE Also take into account of what the known world looked like to THEM at that time so that maybe youll understand my answers. And i assume you are being educational and not skeptical or argumentitive(sp)