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IS GOD A MATHEMATICIAN?
By Keith Newman.

The authenticity of the Holy Bible has been attacked at regular intervals by athiests and theologians alike but none have explained away the mathematical seal beneath its surface.

It would seem the divine hand has moved to prevent counterfeiting in the pages of the Bible in a similar manner to the line that runs through paper money. Bible numerics appears to be God's watermark of authenticity.

Vital research on this numeric seal was completed by a native of the world's most renowned atheistic nation, Russia. Dr Ivan Panin was born in Russia on Dec 12, 1855. As a young man he was an active nihilist and participated in plots against the Czar and his government. He was a mathematical genius who died a Harvard scholar and a citizen of the United States in 1942.

Panin was exiled from Russia. After spending a number of years studying in Germany he went to the United States where he became an outstanding lecturer on literary criticism.

Panin was known as a firm agnostic - so well known that when he discarded his agnosticism and accepted the Christian faith, the newspapers carried headlines telling of his conversion.

It was in 1890 that Dr Panin made the discovery of the mathematical structure underlining the vocabulary of the Greek New Testament. He was casually reading the first verse of the gospel of John in the Greek: "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with the God and the Word was God...".

Dr Panin was curious as to why the Greek word for "the"' preceeded the word "God"' in one case and not the other. In examining the text he became aware of a number relationship. This was the first of the discoveries that led to his conversion and uncovered the extensive numeric code.

Oldest manuscripts


Dr Panin found his proof in the some of the oldest and most accurate manuscripts - the Received Hebrew Text and the Westcott and Hort Text.

In the original languages of the Bible, mostly Hebrew and Greek, there are no separate symbols for numbers, letters of the alphabet are also used to indicate numbers.

The numeric value of a word is the sum total of all its letters. It was curiosity that first caused Dr Panin to begin toying with the numbers behind the texts. Sequences and patterns began to emerge. These created such a stirring in the heart of the Russian that he dedicated 50 years of his life to painstakingly comb the pages of the Bible.

This complex system of numbering visibly and invisibly saturates every book of the scriptures emphasising certain passages and illustrating deeper or further meaning in types and shadows. The 66 books of the Bible 39 in the Old and 27 in the New were written by 33 different people.

Those authors were scattered throughout various countries of the world and from widely different backgrounds. Many of them had little or no schooling. The whole Bible was written over a period of 1500 years with a 400 year silence apart from the Apocrypha between the two testaments. Despite the handicaps the biblical books are found to be a harmonious record, each in accord with the other.

Dr Panin says the laws of probability are exceeded into the billions when we try and rationalise the authorship of the Bible as the work of man. He once said: "If human logic is worth anything at all we are simply driven to the conclusion that if my facts I have presented are true, man could never have done this.

Inspiration from on high

"We must assume that a Power higher than man guided the writers in such a way, whether they knew it or not, they did it and the Great God inspired them to do it''.

The Bible itself states clearly that it is the literal God-breathed'' living word of the Creator. The words "Thus saith the Lord"' and "God said"' occur more than 2500 times throughout scripture.

In 2 Timothy 3:16 it states "All scripture is given by inspiration of God". Then in 2 Peter 9:20-21 it plainly states: "No prophecy of the scriptures is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost".

Let's take the number seven as an illustration of the way the patterns work. Seven is the most prolific of the mathematical series which binds scripture together. The very first verse of the Bible "In the begining God created the heaven and the earth" (Gen 1:1), contains over 30 different combinations of seven.

This verse has seven Hebrew words having a total of 28 letters 4 x 7. The numeric value of the three nouns "God", "heaven" and "earth" totals 777. Any number in triplicate expresses complete, ultimate or total meaning.

Also tightly sealed up with sevens are the genealogy of Jesus, the account of the virgin birth and the resurrection. Seven occurs as a number 187 times in the Bible (41 x 7), the phrase "seven-fold" occurs seven times and "seventy" occurs 56 times (7 x 8).

In the Book of Revelation seven positively shines out: there are seven golden candlesticks, seven letters to seven churches, a book sealed with seven seals, seven angels standing before the Lord with seven trumpets, seven thunders and seven last plagues. In fact there are over 50 occurrences of the number seven in Revelation alone.

Divisible by seven

There are 21 Old Testament writers whose names appear in the Bible (3 x 7). The numeric value of their names is divisible by seven. Of these 21, seven are named in the New Testament: Moses, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Hosea and Joel. The numeric values of these names is 1554 (222 x 7). David's name is found 1134 times (162 x 7).

God's seal also pervades creation as though it were woven into the very fabric of nature.

The Bible has declared man's years to be three score and ten (70). The development of the human embryo is in exact periods of sevens or 28 days (4 x 7). Medical science tells us the human body is renewed cell for cell every seven years.

We're told the pulse beats slower every seven days as if it were in accord with the seventh day of rest proclaimed in the Genesis creation week. And God formed man of the dust of the ground (Gen 2:7); science confirms the human body is made of the same 14 elements (2 x 7) found in your average handful of dust.

The light of the sun is made up of seven distinct colours as shown in the rainbow. In music there are seven distinct notes which climax in a chord or octave at the beginning of a new seven.

In almost all animals the incubation or pregnancy period is divisible by seven. Seven is often referred to as "God's seal" or the number of spiritual perfection.

Number of resurrection

Eight is the number of new life or "resurrection". It is the personal number of Jesus. When we add together the letter values of the name Jesus in the Greek we get 888. Jesus was called The Christ, the numeric value of this title is 1480 (185 x 8). He was Saviour which has the value 1408 (2 x 8 x 88).

Jesus is also Lord which again is a multiple of eight being 800 (100 x 8). Messiah has the numeric value 656 (82 x8). Jesus also called himself the Son of man. The term occurs 88 times and is valued at 2960 (370 x 8).

Jesus said "I am the truth": the numeric value of "the truth" is 64 (8 x 8). The last book in the Bible is the Revelation of Jesus Christ which has exactly 888 Greek words. Eight persons were saved in the Ark at the great Noahic flood. God made a covenant with Abraham that every male Jewish child was to be circumsised on the eighth day of his life.

There are eight individual cases of resurrection spoken of in the Bible apart from Jesus. Three occur in the Old Testament, three in the gospels and two in Acts. It was on the eighth day or the first day of the new week that Jesus rose from the dead. The Holy Spirit also came down from heaven on the eighth day.

Nine is finality or completion. The first example of its use is that infinitely sealed first verse of the Bible: "In the beginning God'' which in Hebrew is: Braysh**h Elohim which has the numeric value of 999. The very next statement "created the heaven" is also sealed with 999.

Nine is finality

The number nine is endowed with a peculiar quality, it is finality in itself. Not only is it the final single number, but if you multiply it by any other number, the addition of the resulting figures will always revert back to nine (2 x 9 = 18 / 1 + 8 = 9 etc).

There are nine basic gifts available to the Christian believer through the power of God's Holy Spirit (1 Cor 12:8-10). There are nine basic fruits which should be evident in the life of the believer (Gal 5:22-23). The words "my wrath" have the numeric value 999. The word Amen or verily is valued at 99 and occurs 99 times.

The work on the cross was completed at the ninth hour when Jesus said "It is finished". The shedding of his blood was final. It saw an end to the old system of animal sacrifice to atone for sin. The word "blood" in this sense occurs 99 times.

Great superstition has always surrounded the number 13 as being unlucky or dark. Perhaps there is good reason. One of the most convincing proofs of the origins of this number can be found by unraveling all the names by which Satan is known. Drakon or dragon has a value of 975 (13 x 75) and it occurs 13 times. Peirazon or tempter has a value of 1053 (13 x 81). Belial which is personification of evil has a value of 78 (13 x 6).

Anthropoktonos or "murderer" has a value of 1820 (13 x 40). Ophis or "serpent" is 780 (13 x 60). The phrase used by the Holy Spirit Ho kaloumenos diablos kai ho Satanas or "called the Devil and Satan" is valued 2197 (13 x 13 x 13).

Small neat calculations

This article is in truth an oversimplification of the work of Dr Panin and others who followed in his footsteps. Dr Panin's work initially involved some 40,000 pages of material on which he had written millions of small neat calculations. It involved volumes.

He often laboured up to 18 hours a day exploring the vast numeric structure. By and large it was a thankless task. Dr Panin said "When I first made the discovery I was of course, taken off my feet - I was in the same condition as our friend Archimedes who when he solved a great mathematical problem while in the bath, rushed in to the street naked, crying 'I have found it'. I thought people would be delighted to embrace the new discovery, but I found human nature is always the same. So I quietly withdrew and did my work all by myself".

Although it would appear that his work has been largely lost from popular reading today Dr Panin did accomplish several outstanding works. He published Structure in the Bible the Numeric Greek New Testament and the Numeric English New Testament.

The works of Dr Ivan Panin have been put before the experts many times. Dr Panin once challenged nine noted rationalists and Bible critics through the medium of the New York Sun newspaper Nov 9, 1899. He dared them to publicly refute or give explanation for a few of his presented facts. Four made lame excuses. The rest were silent.

Dr Panin issued a challenge throughout leading newspapers of the world asking for a natural explanation or rebuttal of the facts. Not a single person accepted.

KBA
Hardly amazing to me. I would challenge somebody to do the same thing with the numbers 3-6 or so. I feel that the results would be similair. In such a large book, of course there are going to be patterns. Or, try looking for this same pattern with another large book.

If there were really intended prophecies like these in the Bible, what would be the point? If some God wanted to prove himself through prophecy, he could make it much more obvious and evident.

As for the "777" number, think of how many possible combinations of words you could go through to find something similair. "God", "Jesus", "Sacrafice", etc. You get the drift, there are thousands of possibilities, which make the probability of a number like 777 emerging at one point very high.
Paranoid Android
I remember watching a tv-show called "LEXX" a while back- awesome sci-fi series (though with comedic elements) if anyone gets a chance see it, and there was this one episode in season 4 where they found themselves on Earth and a fanatical Nazi-conspiracy nutjob was explaining to them how the FTA (Burea of Firearms, Tobacco, and Alcohol) was really the anti-Christ. He told them how if you look at the letters of the organization, the name of the person controlling it, the raids that they have done, how they can all add up to equal 666.

Of course, in keeping with the comedic element of the show, the reasoning was completely illogical, with many of the 666's coming after the result of a blackboard filled with complex algebraic equations which only vaguely had something to do with the FTA. The neo-nazi conspiracy nut concludes - "however you look at it, the FTA is the anti-Christ".

I kind of see the same thing when I look at these sorts of equations. Especially when you take a number so symbolically linked with Hebrew culture such as 7 and then marvel that it happens to appear written in their holy text on a number of occassions.

But then again, in LEXX, as crazy as the guy was and as illogical as the theories he came up with seemed to be, something's gotta be said, because....... even if they were idiotic equations - he was right about the FTA all along devil.gif laugh.gif

Regards, PA
GoddessWhispers
laugh.gif I love a comparison of a sci-fi fiction, to that of the veracity of judeo-christian text.

I wonder if the ancient Hebrews had TV. Or maybe it's news to them that math equations appear in the Tanach, etc...and therefore, those that don't know the history are prone to laughing criticism. http://www.math.ubc.ca/~israel/bpi/bpi.html
KBA
Here's a little bit to back up what I was saying before about how you can do this same type of thing with any low number.
(Especially when the amazing criteria for a coincidence is a number that is a MULTIPLE of another number.. heh.)

after about 10 minutes of light bible-browsing:
There are 66 books in the Bible.
[NIV] The famous verse: John 3:16 has 26 words.
[KJV, NAS] The 6th verse of the 6th chapter of the 6th book has 36 words, also the product of 6x6
[KJV] The 6th verse of the 6th chapter of the 6th New testament book has 136 characters. (136 divided by 6= 22.666666666_)
-The title of the 6th chapter in the NT, Romans, has 6 characters.
As an added little joke:
"Darwin" "monkey" "theory" form 666 when you consider the number of characters they have.


Or if you wanted to start on 5s:
Important 5 character Bible names: "Moses", "Jesus", "Satan", "Devil", "Angel", "Abram" (etc.)
Azalin
They say that math is the key to the universe and life. It does not surprise me that bible codes exist. I touched base on them awhile back when a number of natural disasters seemed to link with codes within the bible. However, after overlooking it, it seemed pretty obvious a lot of it can be linked from a lot of different bible passages. Math and numbers can be very random, specially in a large book. However what still amazes me is the ability to write such fascinating facts by 7 authors that were without schooling.
darkninja
QUOTE(Paranoid Android @ Feb 9 2007, 11:48 AM) [snapback]1536097[/snapback]
I remember watching a tv-show called "LEXX" a while back- awesome sci-fi series (though with comedic elements) if anyone gets a chance see it, and there was this one episode in season 4 where they found themselves on Earth and a fanatical Nazi-conspiracy nutjob was explaining to them how the FTA (Burea of Firearms, Tobacco, and Alcohol) was really the anti-Christ. He told them how if you look at the letters of the organization, the name of the person controlling it, the raids that they have done, how they can all add up to equal 666.

Of course, in keeping with the comedic element of the show, the reasoning was completely illogical, with many of the 666's coming after the result of a blackboard filled with complex algebraic equations which only vaguely had something to do with the FTA. The neo-nazi conspiracy nut concludes - "however you look at it, the FTA is the anti-Christ".

I kind of see the same thing when I look at these sorts of equations. Especially when you take a number so symbolically linked with Hebrew culture such as 7 and then marvel that it happens to appear written in their holy text on a number of occassions.

But then again, in LEXX, as crazy as the guy was and as illogical as the theories he came up with seemed to be, something's gotta be said, because....... even if they were idiotic equations - he was right about the FTA all along devil.gif laugh.gif

Regards, PA

I loved that show. LEXX was the best. Stanley, the captain, Zev... love slave galore (freakin stanley never got none even though she was clearly putting out), that little robot head (forget the name) that was all melodramatic and melancholy... that one undead assassin guy, the half plant chick... yeah, now I gotta try to download some episodes. it's been so long since I've seen that show.

Oh by the way...

"United States of America" 21 letters... (3 x 7) or 7+7+7(777, the good holy number, right?) U.S.A. is the most holy country in the world!
KBA
QUOTE(darkninja @ Feb 9 2007, 06:14 PM) [snapback]1536208[/snapback]
U.S.A. is the most holy country in the world!


USA is the most holy country in the world? No. That would probably be Israel.
artymoon
QUOTE
Also tightly sealed up with sevens are the genealogy of Jesus, the account of the virgin birth and the resurrection.Seven occurs as a number 187 times in the Bible (41 x 7), the phrase "seven-fold" occurs seven times and "seventy" occurs 56 times (7 x 8).
This part is wrong. 41 x 7= 287, not 187. So, I don't believe a word of this! rofl.gif
brave_new_world
QUOTE(artymoon @ Feb 10 2007, 09:55 AM) [snapback]1536724[/snapback]
This part is wrong. 41 x 7= 287, not 187. So, I don't believe a word of this! rofl.gif


God is everything including a mathematician.
theoric
QUOTE(brave_new_world @ Feb 9 2007, 06:08 PM) [snapback]1536806[/snapback]
God is everything including a mathematician.

so you are saying he is a very poor mathematician? laugh.gif
GoddessWhispers
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Feb 10 2007, 02:48 PM) [snapback]1536853[/snapback]
so you are saying he is a very poor mathematician? laugh.gif

How about let it go as a typo, considering the author put the math equation in () . Unless of course one wants to obsess on the minor flaw of a typo and discredit the whole article. Then that's on the reader. original.gif
brave_new_world
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Feb 10 2007, 11:48 AM) [snapback]1536853[/snapback]
so you are saying he is a very poor mathematician? laugh.gif


Well he is both. If he is everything than he can;t be a good mathematician without being a bad one. So yeah in a sense I am saying he is a poor one.
theoric
QUOTE(GoddessWhispers @ Feb 10 2007, 06:02 AM) [snapback]1537340[/snapback]
How about let it go as a typo, considering the author put the math equation in () . Unless of course one wants to obsess on the minor flaw of a typo and discredit the whole article. Then that's on the reader. original.gif

It was meant lightheartedly, goddess. Just have a chuckle. Imagine something did make the universe, and a mathematician met it. They both agreed on the splendor of the product. The mathematician was quick to want to see the calculations, and the entity obliged. Upon review, the mathematician discovers an error, and points it out to the entity. The entity replies, "So that is why <insert choice here>. Well, there is no fixing it, so I will have to erase your universe and start over. Too bad too, I was really getting to like you."

QUOTE(brave_new_world @ Feb 10 2007, 06:08 AM) [snapback]1537343[/snapback]
Well he is both. If he is everything than he can;t be a good mathematician without being a bad one. So yeah in a sense I am saying he is a poor one.

alrighty.
artymoon
QUOTE(GoddessWhispers @ Feb 10 2007, 09:02 AM) [snapback]1537340[/snapback]
Unless of course one wants to obsess on the minor flaw of a typo and discredit the whole article.
Heck yeah! yes.gif . If the author is trying to get the point across that mathematics can explain God's presence, then they better get the math right! laugh.gif
Isis2200
In the past I've had several conversations with my dad about God. We both agreed that God is not only a great Mathematician but also a great artist, a great scientist, a great Botanist. He's got a Ph.D. in all subjects. If there were such a thing as a triple Ph.D, he'd have it because there are still things that people with Doctorates don't know.

http://ashiana.conforums.com/index.cgi

~ Isis2200
KBA
QUOTE(Isis2200 @ Feb 10 2007, 06:10 PM) [snapback]1537478[/snapback]
In the past I've had several conversations with my dad about God. We both agreed that God is not only a great Mathematician but also a great artist, a great scientist, a great Botanist. He's got a Ph.D. in all subjects. If there were such a thing as a triple Ph.D, he'd have it because there are still things that people with Doctorates don't know.

http://ashiana.conforums.com/index.cgi

~ Isis2200


Ah, but did God ever claim this? Or did you claim it for God? Prophecy is making claims for God, and not God making claims.. it's up to the people to decide whether the prophets aret liars or not.. but I maintain that nobody has yet seen any claims from a God of a God's existance.
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