Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle..........."

Jesus and the Holy Spirit are two elements of God's personality. They existed within Him always. They are not seperate personalities.

Jesus was the incarnation of God's voice. That is why Jesus always said strange-sounding things about His voice. His voice brought Lazarus back from the grave (John 11:43). In it is the power of life, it IS the power and source of life. Somewhere in the 1st chapter of John, goes the verse that says the word was in the beginning with God. Jesus was God's word/voice incarnated. Now you're going to balk, because you and I don't have the capacity to break off an element of ourselves and send it out into the world, but you and I don't have the power to create life, either. We do not share God's abilities. God can share parts of Himself but never lose Himself in ways that we do not understand. In other words, God has within Him the Holy Spirit, and also Jesus. They are parts of Himself. Other verses off the top of my head: (I will look up more later and try to complete/organize my thoughts when I have more time tomorrow)"Marvel not, that the hour is coming when all that are in their graves shall hear my voice." "My words are spirit, they are life."
Okay I looked one up real quick, but no more tonight I can tell this one is gonna suck me in and I really need to go to sleep early tonight! Psalm 29:3,4,5,7,8,9,: "The voice of the Lord is upon the waters: The God of glory thunders: The Lord is upon many waters. The voice of the Lord is powerful; the voice of the Lord is full of majesty. The voice of the Lord breaks the cedars; yes, the Lord breaks the cedars of Lebanon. The voice of the Lord divides the flames of fire. The voice of the Lord shakes the wilderness; the Lord shakes the wilderness of Kadesh. The voice of the Lord makes the hinds to calve, and discovers the forests: And in His temple does every one speak of His glory."
God's voice is the power that put into motion all life processes, God's voice has some property that enables life. Notice the above verse, "The Lord is upon many waters." It is similar to Genesis 1:2"....................And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."
Genesis 1:22 "And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth." Not to mention the first few verses of Genesis begin with, And God said.



God's voice before Jesus existed was just His voice, and then was sent to the earth in the personification named Jesus.

In John 5;37 And the Father himself : which sent me ,hath born witness of me . Ye hath neither heard his voice at any time or seen his shape .

So i Guess the Father does have a Voice (and a Shape ) But i guess Jesus was NOT IT .


And because one throne is seen in Heaven in rev 4 verse 2 does not mean there is only one up there . Where is Christ now ? isn't he setting to the Right side of the Father in heaven? Does he Appear before the Father as our High Priest for us Now ?

1st peter 3:22 Who Is gone to heaven ,and is on the right hand of God : Angels and authorities and power BEING MADE SUBJECT TO HIM .

Why would it say being made subject to him if it Was the fathers voice?



How many thrones will be in New Jerusalem in Rev 22:3 .

Eph 1;20 Which he wrought in Christ ,When he raised him from the dead , AND SET HIM at his own RIGHT HAND in heavenly Places .

roms 8:34 Who is he that condemeth ? It is Christ that died ,Yea rather is risen again <who is even at the RIGHT HAND OF GOD WHO ALSO MAKETH INTERCESSION FOR US .


Col 3:1 If YE then be risen with Christ : seek those things which are above ,WHERE CHRIST SITTITH ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD
(THATS 2 CHAIRS NEEDED !!!!!)


hebrews 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum :we have such a High priest ,who is set on the Right Hand of the throne of the Majestyin the Heavens


Hebrews 12:2 LOOKing unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith : who for the joy that was set before him endureth the cross ,despising the shame AND IS SET DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE THRONE OF GOD !!!!!

Not on the trone of God but to the Right of it !

Is there one for the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY and the LAMB?

Look how verse 6 of Rev 20 is worded Priest of God AND OF CHRIST .


What is Happening in Rev 21 verse 3? Why is a Angel anouceing God HIMSELF WILL BE WITH MEN? hasn't Christ been there for more then 1000 years when this happens?

Somebody else showing up besides Christ in this Scripture? Would Not be The One Christ set Too the Right of in Heaven?


ANY BODY SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE that CHRIST SETS TO THE RIGHT OF GOD IN HEAVEN NOT IN THE SAME CHAIR .

What's our favorite word? Context. In John 5, Jesus was speaking to people who went through the motions of being religious but had no life or salvation in them. He was speaking to Jews that believed in the letter of the law, not the spirit, and were persecuting Him and trying to kill Him because He healed a lame man at the healing pool at Bethesda, because He did this on the Sabbath day. In verse 37 He tells them that they have not heard God's voice because they are still dead in the condition of unrepentant sin, and have not received the new life that comes from hearing His voice. Interesting to note the associations that Jesus makes here between: 1)Hearing God's voice and thus having life, and 2)Hearing God's voice and hearing Himself (Jesus).

I still assert that Jesus is God's voice, and the surrounding verses in this chapter back it up!

v. 24 - 40: "Verily, verily, I say to you, he that hears my word, and believes on him that sent me, has everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death to life. Verily, verlily, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father has life in himself; so has he given to the Son to have life in Himself; And has given him authority to execute judgement also, because he is the son of man. Marvel not at this: For the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth, they that have done good, to the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil to the resurrrection of damnation. I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge, and my judgement is just, becuase I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which has sent me. If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. There is another that bears witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesses of me is true. You sent to John, and he bare witness to the truth. But I receive not testimony from man: But these thinngs I say, that you might be saved. He was a burning and a shining light; and you were willing for a season to rejoice in his light. But I have greater witness that that of John: For the works which the Father has given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father has sent me. And the Father himself, which has sent me, has borne witness of me. You have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. And you have not his word abiding in you: For whom He has sent, Him you believe not. Search the scriptures; for in them you think you have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And you will not come to me, that you might have life."

Here he was telling this group of Jews that they thought they had found salvation by following the laws, but they did not seek the face of God nor a relationship with Him, and so had no life within them. He tells them, look in the scriptures, because He (Jesus) is foretold so many times and so specifically, and still they did not welcome Him. They still stuck their noses in the air, and clung to their laws, and did not see the miracles He was performing and search their scriptures to see if matched the description of the Messiah. They felt that since they had laws to follow that would save them. When Jesus healed the lame man and told him to pick up his bed and walk (John 5:8), this group of Jews, actually told the healed man: "The Jews therefore said to him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for you to carry your bed." !!!!! This particular group of religious men had not heard the voice of God (both literally and metaphorically; they had not previously listened to what the laws meant, and only practiced them lifelessly, without seeking meaning through worship, and literally because He was standing in front of them speaking and they did not really hear what He was saying), and this is what Jesus was pointing out to them. These people were the self-appointed police. Now I say, that if He was telling them that they did not have life in them BECAUSE they had not heard the voice of God, what do you think people who have heard the voice of God have? And, looking at v. 24 - 40 quoted above, Jesus clearly is referring to Himself as the voice of God. In the end he tells them, go look up your books, it tells you about me, and here I am standing in front of you healing crippled people and you still don't believe me, go look up your scriptures, it will tell you about me! And still they didn't listen to Him. You could say they heard him superficially, but did not listen to Him. Had they listened to Him (God's voice) they would have life. I'm afraid that many people today hear God's word, but don't listen. If you LISTEN and take it to heart, it blooms inside you and creates life and understanding of the scriptures, and they will not be a mystery to you anymore.

Hes the Word = spokesperson the one that speaks to men.


Also notice He sets to the right of the Throne of God , needs his own chair type deal !!!!


thats not just your voice!

True, I see the point you are trying to make now. No, LOL, obviously a voice doesn't need its own chair. At least yours or mine wouldn't. But God supernaturally (something you and I would not be able to do) gave His voice a personification, He permanently made it into a part of Him with independent functions, its own job, actions that it takes while being part of God but functioning on its own level. You and I just can't do this, so it really gets us nowhere to try to imagine why a voice would need a chair. God can take part of Himself and create it into its own personage without losing part of Himself because He is infinite. If you and I take a part of ourself out, we are just missing that part of ourself.

Sorry for the delay Nova, but busy busy ya know. Some researchers feel the situation is all in God's foreknowledge. The messiah was prophesied to be a man, because he had to endure temptation. God cannot be temtped, right? The gospels also say John was sent from God, this does not mean he was floating around up in heaven waiting for his marching orders. I will get back to you on the Rock subject and Israel. I have to study before I open my big yapper. The Old testament believer's all looked to the Messiah for their redemption. He was never understood to be their God, but Lord, yes. Lord and God are not synonymous terms. Many peo[pleheld the title Lord in the bible, but were not God.

Here is an interesting verse. 1 Cor 5:19, "To know that God was IN Christ reconcilling the world unto himself..." How much having God within Christ makes him deity, I do not know. But the verse doesn not say God was Christ, but was in him. The spirit of God in the holy spirit, when God intervenes with the material word he uses his spirit as we saw in Genesis 1:1,2. When men and women of God prophesied you often see in the verse or context that the spirit of God came upon them. In Acts 10:38 it states that God anointed Jesus with the holy spirit and power. In Aramaic language we view the holy spirit an being the gift, as it being ability, not being an entity of itself. God being Spirit gives what he is to mankind which is spirit.

jesus being gods voice ...back in old testament god spoke with a voice but did not use human bodily formation..example..gen 3:8 they heard the voice of god walking in the cool of the day...eze 43:2 and behold the glory of god of israel came from the way of the east.. and his voice was like a noise of many waters and the earth shined with his glory...new testament john 5:37 and the father himself which hath sent me hath borne witness of me..ye have neither heard his voice at any time nor seen his shape......first they whom he was speaking to was blind and unwanting to hear Him..they did not want to recognize him nor hear him...that is why they had not heard his voice nor seen his shape..

christ is on the throne..yes...with all his power and glory...(right hand of god) power...he is sitting on his throne in all power and glory...(christ)

angels and authorities and powers in subjection unto him because of who he is...he is god.


Rev 22:3 is an excellant verse...look at it very close...within its texts it gives you my very answer...its very plain and simpl..

3) And there shall be no more curse. but The Throne of God and Of the Lamb shall be in it......(.now what does the rest of the verse say...my favorite part) and His servants Shall Serve HIM......who??? HIM....god & lamb = 1...so according to text there will be 1 throne..


ephesians 1:20...christ being exalted....lefted up with all power glory and might..

rom 8:34 without his death burial and ressuection we would not have intercession...god givin himself a ransom for our sins made intercession that we might be saved..

col 3:1 is the Spirtual Resurrection ....his is in all power...also where is the kingdom of heaven.......just one throne..

heb 8:1 also need verse 2 ....which states..a minister of the sanctuary and the true tabernacle which the lord piteced and not man...with having that verse meaning ....christ exalted and is the high priest...which is in all power...god is the high priest..the tabernacle is made by him instead of like the old testament...where he used man to build and construct he is the one in total construction with the tabernacle in new testament...through the blood which was shed..

hebrews 12:2 ....first how would jesus be the author and finisher of our faith..if he was not god manifested in the flesh..?
second why would we look unto him? instead of god? ...every time the right hand of god is used in new testament it is using it as christ being exalted lifted up...in all power ....since old testement gods right hand is power...etc..

rev 20:6.........if it was 2 why would it say ......and shall rign with him a thousand years ....instead of them?

rev 21:3....it does not state the thousand years in this text from 1 - 3 .....but im still goin state that with this text ...its still just 1 no more...

not sure how you get more than 1 other than christ keeps showing up? in all that i have viewed it still appears as just 1


and also anybody should see that with reading the old testament that the right hand of god is power might glory etc...that with jesus being sitted on the right hand of god would be christ exalted lifted up on high all power all might for he over came death...etc...he is all power...but this might again go back to John 5:37...ye have neither heard his voice at any time nor seen his shape...might be why one does not see theres just 1 throne.

Here's a twist on the trinitarian formula:

First Consciousness, First Thought, First Word

Also, anyone have an opinion of the New Revised Standard Version? It has the Deutro-Cannonicals as well as scriptures accepted by Orthodox Christians.

Peace,

RadicalGnostic

Nova, I checked out 1 Cor 10:4 and yes the Rock spoken of is Christ. How did the Rock follow them and how did they drink of it? By the prophecies that were Messianic. Moses was a "type" of Christ in that he delivered the children of Israel from bondage this foreshadowed the immense deliverance of the Messiah. This is the great key in understanding much of the old testament in that it foreshadowed the greater to come, which is why it is called a new covenant.

Have not has the opportunity to check it out. I still use the KJV because so many research tools are geared around it, plus they use italics to point out words that have been added for structure.

Here is a verse in the gospels that refers to a prophecy concerning Christ. Matthew 12:17,18 "That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet saying, Behold my servant, whom I have chosen, my beloved in whom my soul is well pleased; I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall show justice to the Gentiles." This shows me that he was chosen and was anointed by God to fulfill his role as the Messiah. As John the baptist was sent by God, so was Jesus. The disciples spoke of being with Jesus from the beginning. Everyone think that when the bible uses the word beginning it always means the Genesis record which it does not. Jesus is the creator (which in greek and aramaic mean originator) of the new covenant. This is why we have newness of lif in him. The old stuff is passed away. The new age of grace is his work, this is the new creation for which he is credited and certainy not the universe.

How can you say its one Chair God sets In if It clearly states in them Scriptures i quoted that Christ is Setting on the Right Side of the Throne of the Most High? YOUR IGNOREING THERE IS 2 CHAIRS HES SETTING TO THE RIGHT OF GODS THRONE .

Hes a High priest that goes before God on our Part . So God goes and talks to himself about us?

Why don't you just let go of that old Trinity ITS NOT IN THE BIBLE .

We have not even got to Why Jesus was taught what he should say and Do yet ?

Or why he never did his own Will ?

Moon Doggy why don't you study who was King davids Lord ? THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD SET AT MY RIGHT HAND .

Was King Davids Lord Christ? Look at Hebrews 1 Isn't that God telling Christ to set at my right Hand ? Isn't God telling Christ in Hebrews 1 that CHRIST WAS THE CREATOR ?


and who was mechesidec ? Without beginning of days? Thats quite a man

BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS I AM .

Christ was a Man for 33.5 years but he clearly stated he Had Glory before the world was .

correct me if im wrong...but does trinity means 3...3 different beings? ....to my understanding that is what the trinity consists of.. now if i say 1 how is that being a trinitarian? i am very well aware that trinity is not in the bible that is why i dont beleive in it...

i am by no means ignoring something that does not exist...scripture does not tell me that there is two beings sitting in two chairs..nowhere...i am apostlic...i do not beleive there is two different beings in heaven...god is the father god is the son god is the holy ghost these three are just 1 not god the father on his throne ...not jesus the son on his throne....not the holy ghost floating around somewhere on his throne...the scriptures only say 1 not two...it does not say two..nowhere..you provide one scripture that fully backs up your ideas...not one that states the right hand of god...

look at what you posted...he clearly stated he had glory before the world was............

god will not give his glory to another..........did you miss that scripture????

theres plenty of scriptures in isaiah....

The key to unscarmmbling the difficulty is that most do not take God's foreknowledge into account in these records. The word says God knew us before he formed us in the womb. How is this? The only explanation is His foreknowledge. Christ lived in the prophecies concerning him. Also consider the temptation of Satan to Jesus. He prodded him with "If thou be the son of God..." Satan would certainly have known who he was if he indeed was around prior to his birth as many of you believe. But I do not. Consider this record. Luke 2:52, "And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature and in favor with God and man." I do not think an alleged co-eternal being would have to increase in wisdom or favor with God. It makes no sense at all. The King of kings will sit on the throne of David for 1000 years after the battle of armeggdon, then will he be David's lord and not until then. Lord does not=God!

satan did knowit is written though shalt not tempt the lord thy god,who was satan tempting,who was satan speaking to.also it is written, My house (jesus speaking) shall be called the house of pray..the house of pray is gods house,,,is jesus not callingthis house his?not my fathers..he was around 12 yrs of age in this text..all amazed and astonished at his understanding and answers...then in 52..it is possible that man recoginized him who he was @ 12 yrs of age..
let me ask why if jesus was somethingelse created by god too save his ppl why would he need to gain favor with god?
would he not already have this favor of god?anyone could have fullfilled the prophecies if they gained this favor...correct? is that what that would be stateing if that was what that verse meant...

I'll answer this question on the authenticity of the Trinity by using an example. About five years ago now, I went to a Christian youth leader's convention. One of the workshops we had was dedicated to the concept of the Trinity. I sat there and looked at every passage they gave us from the point of view of my parent's, who hold a similar view to Nova Scotia. I played Devil's Advocate on every passage, looking at it from their point of view. After the third passage I spoke about, the person in charge of the seminar/workshop said *and I quote* - "Yes, you can arrive at the conclusion that the BIble does not support the Trinity - but only if you come in with the preconceived notion that the Trinity does not exist".

I laughed. Hard. Because this is basically what my dad told me, but from the other side of things (he even used the word "preconceived notion") - Yes, you can arrive at the conclusion that the Bible supports a Trinity, but only if you look at it from the preconceived notion that a Trinity exists.

ARE YOU BLIND ?


Sit on my right hand until I make THINE enimies a footstole . IS that NOT 2 talking ?



SITTING TO THE RIGHT OF THE THRONE OF GOD IS NOT SETTING ON THE THRONE OF GOD .

somebody was told to Set to Gods Right . Its hard to beleave you can't see that . READ HEBREWS 1 slow over and over see if you can connect .

Im not sure trinity beleaves 3 seperate beings , i always heard it was 3 forms of same being . Its really not much different then you beleave just labeled different


they would not have two chairs either .


but clearly setting to the right of the throne of God is not setting on the throne . Christ does have a throne though .


THERE FORE GOD EVEN THY GOD is ignored by almost all . They are talking to each other in Hebrews 1 .


Christ prayed to his Father not himself .

But you are not telling us what you seen in the bible that changed your mind to accept the trinity .

Is it just because the minister told you it was there?

The main thing that I have seen in this thread unlike others is that you all are being cordial to a greater extent than I have been ivolved with in others. Thanks! It is a hot debate amongst christian. I fellowship with pro-trinitarians and we get along, sort of like my democrat friends too. And the end of the day of back and forth debates, we generally agree that Jesus is the one and only Christ, that he was born by immaculate conception and is the resurrected Son of God. When we reach that I know we are on common ground and can put away the debates for another day. And PA you are 100% right on with your statement. Thanks for sharing it.

Moon doggy the trinity don't allow Jesus to have been 100% in the Flesh .

Or heaven would of been empty .


Oneness is same thing if he Was 100% in flesh Heaven was empty .


If he never came in the Flesh its anti Christ .


If you deny the Father and the Son its Antichrist .

Alot of Anti Christ around Maybe.

I have heard it put also that the argument is that some would have said he came in the form of an angel, which is not accurate either. He certainly was born a male in the flesh there is no doubt. As far as heaven being empty??? Who was Jesus praying to so often and whenc came that bellowing voice that said, "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased, hear him? Sounds like heaven was full to me. I do agree with you that the trinitarian formula does not allow for the 100% in the flesh deal.

maybe you heard wrong....tri...3...no diff labeling...i am not blind but thanks for your concernment

what do you believe nova? what do you see when you look into the text? in a nutshell....

is god not god does he not have all power to do even things we can not preceive?


ever thought bout setting examples...with pray?

.agreed moondoggy it is an interesting thread and it has been good. .it is good too see how ppl see..preceive text...

i have read heb 1 over and over a few times...and i disagree with you on that nova still.....if that was what it meant then why does appear differnently by looking into verse 8...But unto the son he saith, Thy throne O god is forever and ever ....
again verse 3....sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high...not beside...you show me where the right hand is something other than Power....
also can you tell me again which veres/verses state...sitting to the right of the throne of god...
the voice from heaven its a goodone .. ill have to do my homework on that 1..dont want to post a response on something im not 100 percent sure on...

again 1ness is not = too or in anymeans the same as trinity... not even the same idea...or principle...first time ive been called a triatarian

god spoke and created all....why would heaven be empty if he was god in the flesh...if he is god can he not be in more than one physical place at a time...are you doubting who god is are you doubting he's ability ? He is God Almighty All Powerful...and im sure he can be in more than one place at a time...maybe even mulitask just a few more than two places..for nothing is impossible with god..

what about the holy ghost nova..you never seem to mention it...why so..

thanks for the input pa

My Dear Fellowmen,

There is really only one true God. This God appeared in three persons which we call the Trinity—as God the Father who talked to Moses in the Old Testament, became incarnate in the person of Jesus Christ, and came as the Holy Spirit.

In Genesis, we find God more than one, when He said in verse 1:26, “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.” “Us”, “our”. Plural. Also in verse 3:22, “And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil.”

What is God? He is a spirit, isn’t He? This is in John 4:24. As a spirit, He talked to Moses. This same spirit lived in a house who we call Jesus Christ. When Jesus died and ascended to Heaven, He came back as the Holy Spirit.

That is why Jesus said in John 15:7 (KJV), “Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.” Who is the Comforter? He is the Holy Spirit. It is one of His names. He is also called the Paraclete, the Helper, the Spirit of Truth.

The disciples of Jesus did not understand that the Father is Jesus Himself as in John 14:8-10:
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? He that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwellth in me, he doeth the works.

The following is my conversation with a holy spirit:
Aristeo: Father, what is meant by “Jesus seated at the right hand of God?”
Holy Spirit: To the right.
Aristeo: Is that to the right?
Holy Spirit: Yes.
Aristeo: Isn’t it that they are just one? Jesus Christ, He is also that God. Why will He say to the right?
Holy Spirit: Correct. Correct. Because there is God the Father.
Aristeo: Isn’t it that God the Father is also Jesus Christ?
Holy Spirit: Good. That is correct. But they were made into three—God the Father, God the Son, and
God the Holy Spirit. That is only one but They were made into three.
Aristeo: Father, You are that God the Holy Spirit, aren’t you? You are also Jesus whose spirit lived in a
physical body who we called Jesus. Is that correct?
Holy Spirit: Good. For example, you. Your child said, “Daddy, please buy me a dress.” Then, your
daughter said, “Daddy, please buy me a dress.” But you do not have enough money to buy two
dresses. You will ask yourself, who between the two will you buy a dress immediately. Who is that?
Question. Isn’t it that it is you also? Who did you ask? Isn’t it that it is you also? Who said which of
the two will you buy a dress first? Isn’t it that it is you also? Therefore you are three.
The one who made the decision is God the Father. The One who was asked was God the Son.
God the Holy Spirit, what is He? He is the answer. You are three but you are only one.

Do not think that the Holy Spirit is merely an “active force”. He is a person. As a person, the Holy Spirit “will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.” Things to come means prophecies. Can an active force tell us prophecies? As a person, He can, can’t He?

The grace of peace reign in our hearts now and forever.

With love, your brother in Jesus,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo
Motto: pro aris et focis
http://www.geocities.com/peacecrusader888/
“The Internet is mightier than the sword.”

my dear fellowman ...the holy spirit is not a person.....re read ...it is a spirit...

Dear Sbradj and my Fellowmen,



Okay, the Holy Spirit is a spirit. Is He an "active force"? How can He be one of the (what would you call that) ... of the Trinity? Why do you think the Lord God in Genesis said "us", "our"?

Remember what the Holy Spirit we talk to said, "They were made into three." The way I understand it is three persons. Same God who is a spirit but assuming three different persons. Is Marilyn Monroe and Norma Jean Mortenson different? Aren't they the same person? Marilyn Monroe is her screen name but her original name is Norma Jean Mortenson, and (later) Baker. Tom Cruise's original name is Thomas Mapother; Whoopi Goldberg's is Caryn Johnson.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

us our why 1..why did god only create adam...instead of adams...also is moses the author of gen? (through god)

the holy ghost is the spirit of god dwelling in you ...correct? without it you none of his ....correct?

as for the ppl you mentioned and their names..i do not know who they are..

im not sure about talking to the holy ghost.....i talk to god..and through the holy ghost talk to god..but as for talking TO the holy ghost..never heard of that ...care to go into further detail.?

so what your saying is that.......god has 3 different manifestions? but all in the 1?
or god is 3 different formations? all from 1?
or god is god and jesus is his name?

while looking into some sites on the www i found a page i kinda thought might be an insight ..info

Gal 1:6 And because ye are sons ,God hath sent forth the spirit of his Son into your hearts ,crying Abba, Father



Why did he not Just send the holy spirit?


Why is it the Spirit of Jesus Christ? ephs :317 ,Phil 1:19 ,phil 4:19 , Col 3:11 , Rom 8:9 .....If Christ is the one doing all this , And this is his Spirit . WHAT IS THE JOB OF THE 3D PERSON the HOLY SPIRIT ?

Sounds to me the Holy Spirit is unemployed

Hi Gents, Hope you are all having a great day! I wanted to throw in my cent and a half. In John 7:38,39, Jesus is saying that fountains of living water shall flow out of those that believe on him. The context shows that he is talking about the holy spirit, but it has not yet been given at that time. We see that 40 daya after his ascencion the gift of holy spirit was poured out on the apostles originally then 5000 others in the record in Acts 2:ff. This is what is referred to as the baptism of the holy spirit. The OT believers at times had the spirit in part and in measure as seen in the camp of Moses when men prophesied. The spirit was upon them, not in them as it is today, hence it is called the new birth because it is an inside job and is a new creation. A professor once explained to me that God is holy and he is spirit, so he is the Holy Spirit and his gift is part of what he is, holy spirit. The word says that God was in Christ reconcilling the world unto himself. Now the greatnes of this is that God is in Christ and Christ is in you. This many believe is the spiritual make up of what the fulness of the gift of holy spirit is.

exactly

in 1st corth 2:16 we are told the Holy Spirit is the mind of Christ

in phil 1;27 it says stand fast in one spirit and one mind (mind of Christ)

Its plainly Christ leading a Christian

Mind is "nous" in greek and it just means "thought". Our thinking and focus should be on Christ. We are to bring every thought to the obediance of Christ. Christ does not do your thinking for you or I, we are responsible to bring our minds into subjection. I absolutely agree Christ leads his church of which we are born into by one spirit.

hi sry been busy ..looks like im runnin behind again...the holy spirit is very essential in the scriptures :john 3:3-8 jesus telling nicodemus only if a man is born again of the water and of the spirit will he be able to enter the kingdom of heaven..


john 424 god is a spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth..

matt 12:31 wherefore i say unto you all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men....But the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men...

that is gal 4: not 1:6

eph 4:20 and grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption..

eze 36:27 and i will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk i n my statuetes, and ye shall keep my judgements and do them..

Jn 14:17 even the spirit of truth whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him but ye know him for he dwelleth with you and shall be in you..

romans 8:9 but ye are not in the flesh, but in the spirit if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. now if any man have not the Spirit of christ he is none of his..

Is not the Spirit of God and also the Spirit of Christ...the Same? 1 spirit?


matt 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentence but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes i am not worthy to bear he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire..

romans 8:16 the Spirit itself beareth withness with our spirit, that we are the children of god.

ge 6:3 and the lord said, My Spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh..

1 s 16:14 but the Spirit of the Lord departed from saul, and an evil spirit from the lord troubled him..

ps 51:11 cast me not away from they presence and take not the holy spirit from me..

acts 10:19 while peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him : Behold three men seek thee...

acts 19:2 he said unto them, have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? and they said unto him, we have not so much as heard whether there be any holy ghost..


i went through all that just to state that the holy ghost is not a 3rd person as you stated...furthermore it is the spirit of god ..leading guilding directing you..without it you are none of his..as with the scriptures i posted i can agree with you on somepoints of your post nova..Jesus is the giver of the Holy Spirit...the holy spirit was not sent because there was need of reconcilaton with god and man and only god in the flesh..(god is a spirit) could offer himself a sinnless ransom and pardon our sins..the holy spirit dwelt in gods ppl before hand but not all was offered it like jews gentiles type of deal was always that speration..untill the door was opened for all...he opened the door to the holiest of holys ..

acts 2:38 then peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus christ for the remission of sins and you shall receive the gift of the holy ghost...

looks like we all agree with this part..

Hey Nova, where did ya go? You fishin again?

Here's another angle on this:

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness....So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created he him; male and female he created he them..."
Genesis 26-28


We know now that the human personality is made of three components: the superego (conscience), the ego (consciousness), and id (subconscious). So working backward, and accepting the premise that God created us in his likeness, isn't it logical that God himself could have three parts, more exalted in form and function of course, of which our parts are an echo?

This theme of three is also reflected in the three important Marys of the New Testament: the godly Virgin Mary (superego), the thoughtful Mary of Bethany (ego) and the emotional Mary Magdalene (id), and perhaps even in the patriarchs of the Old Testament: Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Also in the Genesis quote, note that God says, "Let us make man..."--note the plural, my emphasis added.

For a lengthy discussion of the Trinity based on New Testament quotes, see http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15047a.htm

AnnfromNY, that was a thought-provoking and fascinating post. You have given my mind something to stew on this evening and I appreciate that! Yes, this one will be fun to turn over in the old dome for a little while.