Of course, there is the matter about energy sources that should be released to civilian industries and foreign governments.

Just how many new jihad dual use tools are we to unveil, at the behest of organized frauds? There may be interesting things that the military has developed, but whether or not to commercialize it or instantly declassify it is not for the likes of an ER physician to decide.

And, the subject of ET does not instantly mean we have industrial potential more than twenty to forty years ahead of current levels.

Can someone tell me WHY aliens need a base on our moon? Not to monitor, either. The subject implies PERMANENT structures on the Moon. Why PERMANENT? That is hardly covert!

What they are doing is breaking the law. Read further.

You don't know this. The UFOs they're talking about just might be top secret military projects the Government is testing. Items such as dates, locations, and other details could jeopardize those tests in some way.



First you trivialize the witnesses' testimony by saying they are not giving away many secrets and are only telling of their personal experiences. Now you speak of some grandiose "truths" that the Government has no right to hide.

So which is it? Are the witnesses simply sharing experiences, or does their testimony hold the answer to the UFO controversy?


The answer is a big resounding YES!!! I don't think you're aware of how serious the Government's stance is regarding it's secrets. A sworn oath of secrecy is much more than just a promise between friends. Divulging Government secrets is a crime and under certain circumstances can be considered treason, which is punishable by execution.



Jjbreen covered this very well, but I'll try to help you understand a little better. Anyone who is charged with divulging secrets would lose their jobs and any benefits they have. They would also have to pay any and all court costs, and that can be very expensive. Also, they would have to pay for any damages that may have occurred from their actions.

Wrong. To begin with, there is nothing in their testimony which proves that the Government is hiding knowledge of ET craft (I know you didn't specifically say that, but this would include top secret military aircraft as well). In order to prove their claims they would be required to provide admissible evidence such as documents, photographs, film footage/videos, etc. However, after watching the Disclosure video I noticed that most of their testimony is simply hearsay and, as others here have pointed out, is inadmissible in a court of law. Without any corroborating evidence the Government would simply pursue the fact that an oath of secrecy had been violated without having to divulge anything.

It is against the law to break an oath of secrecy, and anyone doing so would not only ruin their lives, but the lives of those around them.



This is really teetering on the edge of paranoia.

Just a minute, are you trying to say that Jjbreen is some kind of "secret agent" sent to UM to get the low down on all of us?


Gee, I really hope you're just kidding around here.

You are really paranoid. I knew someone in the navy. They were in intelligence and couldnt tell anyone anything they were doing.

Ok, so you are saying, "They are telling you they saw, "UFO's" - ok, big deal. So did my son - does that make him, 'special'??? Wait, so have I!!! Wow.... so BIG DEAL!

Now you are saying they are not talking about anything 'classified' - or 'unique' - just saw UFO's??

Now I have to ask trying to follow the logic of your posts. R U under 17 yrs old??? Truth, please.



As has been stated before - you are seriously paranoid!! How you LEAPED from what I told you to this is well, just that - A LEAP. I actually almost spit my coffee out in laughing when I read this....
FOR THE RECORD: The only people worth 'reporting' would be you - but lucky for you there is no law about being ........

Secret Agen Man - Secret Agent man - Given you a number and taken way your name, Secret Agent Man, Secret Agent man.....

Speaking of the Navy!

Jj a government agent? That's ridiculous. No, he's monitoring us on behalf of the Trilateral Commission.

And the government is breaking the law by lying to its citizens and with-holding information that they have no right to do.


Yeah you're absolutely right. We went from propellars and liquid fuel to anti-gravity disks capable of interplanetary travel and turning on a dime at thousands of miles per hour. Yeah you're right they are ours, it makes so much sense.




Theres this little word that exists called BOTH. Saying that UFO's exist and that the government is hiding it and that they have witnessed it personally, is in no way jeapordizing the US. People say it every day. People write books about it. Its all over the internet. It occasionally gets on television. And the bottom line is the people have the right to know, period.


The answer is a resounding NO!! As I stated before, it would be ridiculous for the government to take these people to court and prosecute them for divulging government secrets of the existance of UFO's and a government cover up when, THEY DENY UFO'S EXIST AND THEY DENY THEY ARE COVERING IT UP. TTTHHHIIINNNKKK AAABBBOOOUUUTT IITT.




First of all they are mostly retired and dont have the jobs that they did when they discovered these truths so it could be kind of hard for them to lose their jobs. Second, THEY decided to come forward and talk about this, THEY have chosen to take that risk themselves so if they happen to lose their current jobs, it was their decision. And as I stated before, the government will not take them to court. It would be moronic.


The proof is that nobody in their right mind would go on the national press club and say that they believe in ET's and UFO's and that the government is covering it up. Then say that they are willing to testify under oath to congress. Have you ever heard of a jury? Sometimes there is no physical evidence and they must rely on credible witnesses with first-hand accounts of what happened.




The government listens to our phone conversations, thats a fact. A conspiracy forum has an abundance of people who don't trust the government and think they are criminals. Its a hotbed of anti-government folks. So you believe they wouldn't pay attention to these sites? Jjbreen said he has friends in the FBI, CIA, military- probably some kind of intelligence field, and lives with NPD's. Those are facts.

Whether it's right or wrong, the Government does have the right to decided what should be held from public knowledge in the interest of national security. No law being broken there.


Are those craft on display somewhere? Will they be flown in an air show soon? If so, I'd very much like to see them. That is, if they do in fact exist.




All you are saying is that people have the right to know that other people have seen UFOs. That doesn't prove anything about where they come from, or if indeed they are craft of some sort.


They don't deny UFOs exist. They deny craft flown by ETs exist. A big difference.




They are taking risks - they are not taking risks - they are taking risks - they are not taking risks. Make up your mind, please.


You've completely ignored what I said about breaking their security oath.




I didn't want to say it in my last post, but you really are paranoid. I'm amazed that you think the Government is spying on a UFO forum.

And if you're serious about Jj possibly being an agent simply because of his friends, I suggest you seek help.

Did the Disclosure Project ever really "disclose" anything? It reminded me of a sting operation. Advertising for people willing to spill the beans on something, and then cull them out as a wink link if they were so bold as to go public with sensitive information.

Maybe there is something to conceal. Something. And, those in charge of the Disclosure Project were really using disinformation to uncover disaffected individuals. Or, perhaps it was designed to fail in order to discredit those who might try to mount a similar challenge to the U.S. black operations.

In truth, it seemed bold, but may have been devoid of any real information despite the claims of proof. Proof which was never released.

Look how good they trained you to ask for your freedoms. The fact is, if the government knows about alien craft and are in possesion of some as the witnesses claim, they have no right to keep it a secret and lie about it as they have obviously been doing. You keep saying "in the interest of national security" but have yet to give a single hint at why telling the citizens about alien visitors would negatively affect national security. The fact is, it wouldn't. Oh yeah and about the government, WE are the government. You know that little thing called We the People.....


I don't know, you tell me. After all you are the one who made the claim that they could be top secret military aircraft. But yeah sure they are on display, being caught on home video, radar, pictures, seen by pilots- both military and civilian, the list goes on....and on.....and....



Exactly. And all you have been saying is people don't have the right to know that other people have seen UFO's. I'm glad we're clear on that. Let me guess, you think they are swamp gas and temperature inversions?


Exactly. They deny craft flown by ET's exist and the witnesses say that the the ET craft do exist. Thats what this whole thread is about in case you forgot?




I love when you guys resort to such posts like this one. It shows you are not capable of debating the subject. YOU said they were taking risks, therefore, I replied to YOUR opinion that they were taking risks. Oh and by the way--PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE I SAID THEY WEREN'T TAKING RISKS. Oh yeah you can't, because I NEVER SAID IT.


Yeah and George Bush broke his oath to protect and defend the constitution. Oaths are broken all the time, so what. At least these people are doing it for the RIGHT REASONS.




attack the viewpoint, not the person. posts like this contribute nothing. Oh yeah in case you forgot, you are on a CONSPIRACY WEBSITE so you may as well get used to it.

Well, let's be fair. We know that high officials in certain branches of government have long been seriously entertaining the ET hypothesis, at the very least, and we know that they lie, lie, lie about it. So that's a fair statement.

Given that, among other things, such as the general atmosphere after 9/11, I'd be surprised if the government weren't monitoring all sorts of web forums, including this one.

But I think I'd stop short of publicly suggesting that any particular user here is a Washington spy.

Except maybe MID. He definitely Knows Too Much.

MID is a NASA disinfo agent.

Your really should seek psychiatric help, sorry, but your suffering from paranoid delusion.

You've made it clear that responding to you in a logical manor would be absolutely futile.

Believe what you will, but it still doesn't mean that there's any proof of ETs here on Earth.

attack the viewpoint, not the person. posts like this contribute nothing. now back on topic.

Umm, show what laws they are breaking ...

NDP's continue even after you retire, dude. They are LIFE BINDING CONTRACTS. You can be in just as much trouble for talking about Top Secrets 20 yrs after you quit working there. Be in just as much trouble and even more so. The only way one can talk about stuff listed in the NDP is IF they are disclosed or moved ot NON-Classified Status. Other wise - one can NEVER talk about them, period.


You are totally right - no one in the RIGHT MIND would do this - or could do this, since no such evidence of ET's exists. Nada.

Again - UFO's are NOT in question - dude. Why are you beating this drum. EVERYONE AGREES UFO EXIST - this isn't 'News Flash Headlines' - So gee get over it. What are you wanting to go to congress for - to tell them UFO's exist. They'd go, "ok, so what? What's the big deal?? They exist and this is 'news' how??" So you have 'experts' telling congress - "UFO's Exist" again big deal - they do and you'd be laughed at and hopefully charged $$ for wasting tax monies.

Credible witness of what?? That they saw UFO's - they saw an aircraft that did something they hadn't seen before?? Again so what....???
ONLY IF you are under watch as possible terrortist activitities. R U???

there are some that hear voices in their heads too.... some even on UM... Just because you think something is happening to you, doesn't mean it is - this has a name: Paranoia. You'd have to supply valid evidence that you are 'being watched'.... The big question then one has to seriously ask: Why would they be watching you?? What on earth makes you think you are worth the money and effort. Because you saw a UFO?? Nope - they wouldn't waste their time on you. It's so low on their priority list it's not even on the list. Just think about it.

Actually there is NOTHING on UM that even comes close to warrant the time and attention of our tax dollars. Sorry to bust this bubble. They might come her for entertainment and a good laugh - but that's about it. There is nothing on UM that is even close to being even remotely semi, sorta kinda maybe important. As I stated before - being .......... isn't against the law, it's just dang annoying.

BTW: I am guessing your age is between 14 - 16 ?? Yes??

No you just can't defend your points and you know it. And yes, their is proof. Its just locked away in secret, heavily guarded locations.

I wasn't attacking you, I'm worried that you think some members of this forum are government spies spreading disinformation.

The Disclosure Project was either a hoax, or a sting, or incompetent. Period.

I say hoax and sting.

Have you personally seen this proof with your own eyes?

Then Logic would ask - How would you KNOW this???

I have already exposed you for being a hardcore skeptic who's only motive is to debunk anything and everything and posts like this prove it even though you claim to be "open minded" and waiting for some hard evidence. Your posts show just how much anger and annoyance you have toward people who believe in ET craft. Oh by the way you might want to watch out, I was banned for a week for asking someone if they were 15 years old. Lets wait and see if the mods are biased or not.

Some of the UFO incidents covered by the Disclosure witnesses were already well-known before the Disclosure Project went public.

In case you did not notice, I was replying to a joke.

I wear a black suit,. white shirt, black tie, and GI sunglasses...carry a .45 ACP, and stare at people with a glazy, expressionless gaze...you have found me out!





See? snozz... has me pegged.
I don't actually understand this, though. Atomic Dog, I believe, has that appellation in his profile! And yet, somehow, I've been pegged as the disinfo agent...thanks straydog!

Actually I'm not a:

As I have stated too many times and have even posted some of my own experiences W/PHOTO EVIDENCE.

The problem is - these are easily questioned, easily challenged - with no effort. You have failed to give answers to my questions and only jump at Paranoid theories that hold the same about of water as a pan w/buckshot holes.

Most of your 'evidence' wouldn't hold up in a Jr High Debate Class. They have to many holes in them. Anger not those who believe - but those that try to pass off such and refuse to look at the other more likely answer. This is what surprises me. Most would not except this 'research', so called 'facts' and such if it came to investing their money with a hope of returns. So why I wonder is this any different??

Jj -

Ok, some people have PM'd me asking, "where are you coming from....?"

My background - Basic version.
I work in investigation and analysis in a lot of different areas/fields. In some of what I do, facts are #1 - there are two very strong principles that are followed: "One cannot allow themselves to see what they believe." and "One cannot be allowed to believe what they see." - One must find the facts as is possible. Evidence, Proof are sought after as is best possible. <-- Short version.

In that some of what I do involves being analytical and must use critical thinking - after 30+ years - these are very much a part of my life. Annoying at times, yes - but none the less, "it is what it is..."

So as one might guess - I look for facts, evidence and ALL possiblities, starting w/the rational and logical first, not last. The 'far out' come as all other answers are not there.

I hope this helps a little bit.

If more people followed this line of reasoning I believe the world would be a better place.

I'm curious. What ever happened to the moon base discussion?

It was easily in more ways then one - seens as a hoax.... Thus nothing to discuss.

The only way to prove the existence of Aliens and Ufo's is to be brave. That's all.
Everything is useless and slowly they will all come out.

Ah. So this thread has run it's course then.

Oh, I wouldn't write it off just yet - several UM tangents have taken place. That is NOT a put down. Just that any given thread usually takes tangents here and there... which actually at times is fun to watch the transition of A to B to D to G back to A and so on....

Jj -

Oh yes... It helps my ADD.

Oh, I understand Jj. I just thought I'd point out the OT to the OP.

But it takes more than being "Brave" it takes solid evidence and proof. Other wise it's not brave - it winds up being very foolish looking.

...> Now address to the Forum and not specific to anyone.....:
As with the Moon Base Hoax - to the chance of Aliens visiting Earth - there are no small obsticals that have to be 'there'. Most of which has NOT been proven to be 'there' - it is 99+% just 'given as a fact' when there is none to support the facts.

See when you start to actually pointing out the OBVIOUS facts that have to be and the statistical odds - one begins to see even with credible 'witnesses' - that just simply isn't enough. There are simply way too many variables that add to the odds of this not being probable and more of this being taken on FAITH (a lot of it) then facts.

ONE CASE IN POINT: THE STEALTH BOMBER....
Back when the Stealth Bomber was released - this plane simply was NOT suppose to exist, based on a lot of "experts", military, airforce pilots and other wise. Even other governments - this simply was NOT suppose to be possible.
YET....> IT WAS.
It created and still is creating no small challenge to duplicate by other countries. According to one source, even the our most trusted Alies are not told how to detect this plane.

Think about that in respect to the WHOLE of this topic. We (USA) will not even give 'hints' to our most trusted alies.

>>>> It is also one of this Nations Most Heavily Guarded Secrets.

With this mind, we are lead to believe that something like "ET's" and "Alien Fly Objects" (AFO's) are not as equally protected?? That some how this can be 'leaked' and the Plane isn't...?
The plane comes from the SAME Area 51 as we are lead to believe are "ET's" and Aliens Flying Objects".
So one can "get out" and the other cannot and will not???
Where is the rational in that logic???

Yes I would like someone to present to me a rational logic of this - From Area 51 one so called Classified Information is able to be leaked and yet another is not....

jj you are absolutly right....

how can ufo knowledge be leaked when not even the stealth bomber's blueprints or rader systems cant be leaked.... the stelth bomber is a terrestrial aircraft that is in use....

i think point with your last post has gotten it wrapped up

Ohhh!!!....How can you show the evidence or proof if you're not brave ?

With facts.
Period

The world is going nowhere.

I was thinking about one scientist who is trying to solve how his machine is going to fly when he saw a flying saucer gliding slowly then sped up. He gave up his invention and said why would i waste my time on this f...thing ?

I don't understand your point.
I know the world "earth' is not moving through the galaxy.
I also know the Earth is my world so please explain.

I'm with you - Gator - totally lost....
Jj -

lol What are you talking about? The world is moving forward whether you like it or not.

Actually like some I know - they are going around in circles like the planet is - it's orbit and it's orbit around the Sun. Talk about double circles...

But PE & SB - I would like you both to explain to me how stuff can get out of Area 51 when the Stealth Bomber IS serious technology that A LOT of countries would LOVE, WANT and NEED to get their hands on.... yet there is a no chance in hell of this happening. Yet we think from this same Area (area) that some how ALIEN info is able to get out of there??

Please explain the logic and rational of this....

you cant cause your right

They can't and they won't.

Actually the NDPs are a bit of red herring... As a Brit i signed the official secrets act, and as a provision under it, I'm actually breaking it telling you that... And yes even though i haven't worked for the government , or on any project covered by its provisions since the mid 80s. Technically even talking about it is risking being arrested.

The truth is, there is little or no chance of this ever happening as probably over a million people, alive right now, have signed the same act at sometime in their life..