Well this really happened at a farm in shiprock new mexico, owned by my grandpa's sister...I lived there for about 4 to 6 years...But when I was about umm let's see...about 4 or 5 years old...or younger...Well on with it! I was sleeping in my grandpa's room at the end of his small yellow and white trailer. I woke up all of a sudden...the window curtains were open, when I looked at the window...and it was night time...probably estimated time would be maybe 10 to 12:00 at night. then as I stared out the window...I seen a bull like head with glowing red eyes staring back at me through the window! so then...I was frozen...couldn't move...finally after I was frozen for about 2 to 3 minutes. I gathered up the courage to get up and go to my grandpa...he was still up at that time...I told him what I had seen...then he just started laughing...I told him to take me next door to my parents...Then that was it...Now that I think of it...the reason why my grandpa started laughing...was because he probably experienced plenty of weird things out there...This really did happen to me...I'm a native american (navajo). We also have weird things in our culture...like things called skinwalkers. skinwalkers are basically just medicine men who put their spirit into an animal skin and walker...mostly to witch other people...but long ago...they used it to oadvantage against the white people...well just write something if you want to...

If skinwalkers are real, then they're as good a candidate as any.
More likely, it was a waking dream. They can seem very real, and are sometimes coupled with sleepwalking.

Skinwalkers are very real to the Native Americans. So I can't say whether they ARE real or not. Minotaurs? No. Unless somebody does some serious genetic re-engineering, you can't make a half-man half-bull creature.

WOW....if indeed it was a skinwalker that you encountered....then according to Navajo legend....you're extremely lucky that nothing happened to you.... because I've read that they're navajo witches that while most of the time take the form of a wolf.....can take the form of any animal...and they are very dangerous. They aparently don't know any difference between age, race, creed.....and if you speak badly of them...they will aparently come harass your home...and they may even cause death....it's quite interesting though......

Here's my theory:

The palace of King Minos of Crete was like a labyrinth to those who weren't used to it. Like the Athenian peasant called Theseus.
The sacred animal of Crete was the bull. A priest may have worn a bull mask for ceremonies.

The Athenian peasant called Theseus came upon one of the Cretan priests wearing a mask. In a fit of terror and hysteria he killed it and went back to Athens claiming to have killed a half-man, half-bull monster. Ta-da.

have you ever thought of portals to other dimensions or other unexplained things that happened to you before? I also seen a UFO, a skinwalker, and ghost, Oh yeah...and also shadow people. The UFO I seen was on our way back from Abilene, Texas. to Shiprock, New Mexico. It happened after we past cuba, new mexico. We video taped it...but we have no idea what happened to it...the video came up one time...but have not found it...yet.
The skinwalker is...just an everyday thing out here. other cultures also have their own skinwalker...not only native americans. I'm sure you know that huh? lol. The time that skinwlakers usually comeout are about 1 to 3:00 in the morning. How we can tell is if the animal has no reflection in their eyes...my brother seen one that looked like a "faun". At the same farm where I described the "waking dream is it" so...how often do those happen?
And the ghost...I sometimes see them in my room...I saw this black "orb" looking thing fly out my window as soon as I walked into the room...my just a shadow object...Oh...at this boys and girls club out here...after a dance was over...my cousin and I was mopping there floor and I went down stairs to the restroom, to fill up the mop bucket with fresh water...my cousin was sweeping the hall way where I was at...then I looked at the doorway. and at that same moment I looked. I seen like a child's head move behind a pillar that was right behind the door and the door was open so there was no way out except for where it was peeking out from. I went over to check it out...and found out there was nothing there...so I automatically thought it was my cousin just playing joke on me...But it turns out it wasn't. It didn't look like a shadow person...it looked like a real kid. but after that I got the chills...I used to hear stories about that place...
about genetic re-engeneering...We really have no idea of what the gov. is doing. they might be doing all kinds of experiments that we may not know about until probably the next 15 or 20 years...or maybe less...but yeah...just something to think about...lol.

have you ever thought of portals to other dimensions or other unexplained things that happened to you before? I also seen a UFO, a skinwalker, and ghost, Oh yeah...and also shadow people. The UFO I seen was on our way back from Abilene, Texas. to Shiprock, New Mexico. It happened after we past cuba, new mexico. We video taped it...but we have no idea what happened to it...the video came up one time...but have not found it...yet.
The skinwalker is...just an everyday thing out here. other cultures also have their own skinwalker...not only native americans. I'm sure you know that huh? lol. The time that skinwlakers usually comeout are about 1 to 3:00 in the morning. How we can tell is if the animal has no reflection in their eyes...my brother seen one that looked like a "faun". At the same farm where I described the "waking dream is it" so...how often do those happen?
And the ghost...I sometimes see them in my room...I saw this black "orb" looking thing fly out my window as soon as I walked into the room...my just a shadow object...Oh...at this boys and girls club out here...after a dance was over...my cousin and I was mopping there floor and I went down stairs to the restroom, to fill up the mop bucket with fresh water...my cousin was sweeping the hall way where I was at...then I looked at the doorway. and at that same moment I looked. I seen like a child's head move behind a pillar that was right behind the door and the door was open so there was no way out except for where it was peeking out from. I went over to check it out...and found out there was nothing there...so I automatically thought it was my cousin just playing joke on me...But it turns out it wasn't. It didn't look like a shadow person...it looked like a real kid. but after that I got the chills...I used to hear stories about that place...
about genetic re-engeneering...We really have no idea of what the gov. is doing. they might be doing all kinds of experiments that we may not know about until probably the next 15 or 20 years...or maybe less...but yeah...just something to think about...lol.

Well yep I was lucky...they carry all kind of stuff...like type os dusts. bones...and other stuff I don't know....those are just the things I know about...I know about a type of dust that paralyzes you and one that kills you. The bones they have are used for withcing...by buring them...I think under someone's house or beside it...wherever they choose. out here skinwalker are just an...early morning thing...normal...lol. the times they come out are about 1 to 3:00 A.M. along time ago the skinwalkers were used to our advantage against the white people...but now...all they are used for is to witch other people...the reason...greed. Well...to let you know...I'm not all that traditional. I just know about stuff. lol.

ok. thats a good theory. But we still don't know the truth. no evidence or nothing. so...what do you think about UFOs?

I try not to.

Maybe i missed it..But what tribe are you from.......

he's navajo

I'm navajo...if you haven't seen her reply on the bottom...

I was just wondering, I'm half Cherokee and half Russian myself, I kinda thought you might be navajo i have a good friend that is and he is always telling me tale's about a skinwalker that use to live on his reservation he's from N.M. and some of the stories he's told me are really freaky!!

Also welcome to UM....

oh really? cool! Well yeah...there are some freaky stuff that happen here...but you get used to it after awhile...oh...my brother once seen something weird also...he said he was with one of his friends by a ditch...in a car. and they heard something hit the car's roof or hood...then he looked on the side of the car and seen like a bat mixed with a poodle like body walking wobbly into the ditch...and after that they just hauled it out of there...lol. ok...thanks for the welcome.

The story he told me was about a old women who could turn herself into a wolf and one night some of the men where coming back down the mountain and the ran into a wolf that acted like it was going to attack them, They followed it for a while and it went into the village, One of the men shot it and hit the wolf in it's side, They then seen it run into the house of a old widow and when they went to check on her she was dead from a gun shot wound in the side where they had hit the wolf,..There's more tale's he's told me but that was one of the stranger tale's...

hmm...that is an interesting tale...I like it. so...have you experienced anything or seen anything?

On a special on PBS, A Navajo was talking about skinwalkers...and described one of them to be a dog that could fly and disappear.

I think that'd be true. the ones I seen are the ones that run on their hind legs and jump high...I hear stories from some of the cops out here and they say they chase skinwalkers...sometimes when they find them theres a naked person laying where the skinwalker ran off to...my aunt was a cop and she told me that she was chasing one and she just happened to stop...it was all pitch dark out in the desert type of place...she went out to explore the area, and if she drove alittle more she would've drove off a cliff. skinwalkers sound unbelievable...until you see one. I didn't believe in them when I was small...until I seen one...it was weird...so...how old are you?

I believe that anything paranormal could be possible....although I stand by the thought that...when I see it..I will believe it....BUT...I never say that something definately does not exist...and I'm 27 btw.

Starting to sound like an AOL chat room in here...

Anyway, I have always found Native American mysticism fascinating in general. I'm very impressed by the culture. I have a friend that grew up on the res. (his term) and he really impressed me in general with the depth of his personality. Maybe we should start a few new threads and explore Native American myths, and spirituality a little more specifically. Cool stuff in my opinion.

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Welcome to UM tanuki_mastr. Nice user name, as the Japanese tanuki somewhat resembles some Native American folklores and tanuki is a shapeshifter, perhaps like skinwalkers. Anyway, I somehow got the feel of those stories and encounters you've experienced there. I live in Indonesia, and myths here equals pop cultures.
I myself am a half Japan-half Indonesian, thus I got the most supernatural affection from both country. I've seen some strange things myself and experienced some weird stuffs, but I wouldn't talk of them too lightly, I don't want people treated me like a loco.

Anyway, for your story, I'd go for a pelt wearing hunters...or maybe the skinwalkers themselves...you know. Strange things might does occur.

I also think that due to your affection and close relation with skinwalkers' stories, whenever you see anything resembles your own definition of a skinwalker, your brain tells you that it IS a skinwalker, no matter what they are actually...And...umm...minotaurs are just too ridiculous, just like those classic mermaids...

Put me in the camp that this is possible.

hmm...glad to hear my culture impresses you...me...I like the japanese culture...I also like my culture...

Yes! tanuki as in the japanese myth. lol. so...what type weird stuff do you experience???

Thats a good thought you know there are alot of NA's on the site..native chick is a good one for information.....

Ya'at'eeh, Tanuki. I'm bilagaana but my husband was born to Tl'izilani and born for Nakai Dine. We vote that you saw a skinwalker, lol, and give you our condolences for having the experience. I've seen one and my husband's whole family has seen them aplenty. They aren't a pretty sight and there is no animal that is not within their repertoire. I wouldn't be surprised if they were using a grandma bull skin and that's where the horns are from. My husband has had a very similar experience though he got a pretty good look at the face of the skinwalker itself. Same kind of red dull glowing eyes. who knows why they peek into windows but it's happened to him and to others who had no other kind of skinwalker activity go on. Maybe they are all just peeping toms... Gross ones. About the eyes...my husband has said that he has met people (unwillingly, mind you) that were suspected of being skinwalkers and they had enlarged pupils. I'm sure that you've heard that they have phenomenal night vision, too. We kind of think that the enlarged pupils are due to all of their nocturnal activity and may be further exaggerated by possibly ingesting tobacco. Tobacco has been used in the past to enhance night vision. I read once that the Hopi engaged in skinwalker activity but discontinued due to their eyes becoming damaged. Ingesting tobacco like this causes the loss of eyesight all the way to blindness. The glow that is seen in a skinwalker's eyes is basically due to refraction errors. We've also heard that Shiprock has a lot of skinwalkers.

I'm curious about what you have heard in regards to skinwalkers being used in the war against us bilagaana. You see, there is a story that's been passed down in my husband's family about a group of Navajo being led to Bosque Redondo and having skinwalkers amidst them. The skinwalkers were going after the calvary escorting the group during the night until the calvary forced the identities of the skinwalkers from the group. Have you ever heard anything like that? It would not surprise me in the slightest that this kind of thing went on. I just wonder if any of the calvary had the courage to report it to their commanding officers. It'd be really interesting to read those reports, just to see if anyone did report that kind of activity. You might be interested in this news article that was in the tribune last year:

http://www.abqtrib.com/albq/nw_local/artic...4640074,00.html

What caught my attention was the accusations of "taking the form of animals".

On a side note, my husband LOVES Japanese culture, too. We have all sorts of Japanese items in our home from a daruma to maneki neko, Japanese movies and books and, whenever we go shopping off the rez, we pour ourselves into Japanese restaurants, lol. My husband likes to think that the Navajo are somehow related to the Japanese...

Gah, double post...

Well technically, 75% of Native American genes come from Asia, so they are distant relatives.

I am very curious to ask something. I read "Hunt for the Skinwalker". I loved this book and have told others to read it. On this board I have made a few posts about it too. I am wondering, from an actual Native American's stand point, do your "people" lie about this to "white" people? THe reason I use the quotes is because I was told by someone on this board who is from Utah (Skinwalker Ranch is in Utah) that the things Native Americans told the researchers working on Skinwalker ranch were lies. This was a certain specific group of N.A.s so it's not like somehow they represent all N.A.s. I dont think they do at all. But it really troubled me that anyone would lie about something like this. And why would they lie about it to "white" people? What will it do for them to lie about skinwalkers? I guess that there aren't actual officianados on Skinwalking out in Utah and the tribes which the NIDS team interviewed were not Navajo. So as a navajo yourself, can you please tell me the truth about skinwalkers? that they do exist and there's no reason for a native american to lie about them? or there is and I just don't understand it?

Well...yes they are real. I've seen some around here...but I never went out looking for some, mostly at the farm where I used to live at. There is no way why I'd be lying about what I see. I'm not someone who is starving for attention. I think that the native americans who said it was a lie were just trying to keep that kind of traditional stuff secret from other races. I'm sure theres skinwalkers out in utah, us navajos aren't the only ones. I also think that other cultures out there have their own type of skinwalking. so...do you know about skinwalkers?

hmm...thats the first time I've heard of that story...But I've heard stories of the navajos using skinwalking to find water, food, or to locate where the enemies were at. have you read the book "the hunt for the skinwalker"? thats an interesting one, lots of cool stories. wow. you guys are into the japanese culture too! thats cool! lol. so...do you guys collect any katanas? I usually get food or other japanese stuff when I go to phoenix. I found a good japanese store out there that sell food, drinks, dishes, and more other stuff. it awesome! lol. Well I have 3 min. left on this puter. lol. Well got to go. pleases tell me more stories they are interesting...

Sorry for the delay. I'm having to say that a lot lately.

We're not sure which side of the family that story comes from. My mother in law's great grandfather was a bilagaana, who, according to some work by a family genealogist, was part of the US Calvary out here. My husband and I haven't asked if that is the side that the story originates from. It just never has been the time to ask. It'd be interesting if it was considering that it could be an experience that that ancestor had. I haven't met anyone else who has heard that story so it's looking to be unique to our family. My father in law's side has had a very long history of trouble with skinwalkers, with the oldest story going back to the early 1900's. Both branches of the family say that skinwalkers were once a part of the tribe but did something to set the tribe in an uproar and a fight broke out between them and the medicine people. They lost and were expelled from the tribe. Before that, they acted as messengers, warriors and hunters. That's what is said in my husband's family, at least. I don't know if it is because there has been so many accumulated experiences in his family, but they are so relaxed about discussing them. There's little worry that discussing them will bring them to us. If it's not to be discussed, it's simply because one shouldn't talk about an unpleasant subject too much, lol. They don't view them as werewolves with ungodly powers but really bad medicine people who can't be trusted. One uncle calls them "demons" but not because he thinks they are demons. It's just a derogatory term to describe them.

My husband got a very good look at a skinwalker's face once and they really take their identity hiding very seriously. He said that the skinwalker's skin had a lumpy and melted wax appearance to it and that it was covered in paste. His grandpa told him that, when he was younger, they used to have to hold vigil for three days over a person's grave to protect the corpse from desecration. He said that they used tissues from corpses to make the pastes that cover their bodies. Pretty gross if you ask me, but it seems like they may use human fat to make those pastes, based on what my husband described. The other oddity that my husband once saw was gross knee hyperextension in one. The skinwalker had been standing on two legs, swaying, but dropped down on all fours to take off and run. When it dropped down, my husband swears that it almost looked like what those aliens did in that movie, The Arrival. Both his grandpa and grandma always said that skinwalkers ingested something before walking. His grandpa had a lot of fights with skinwalkers (he was a Marine in WWII) so it was enough for him to notice things like that. The earliest story in the family that we know of, aside from the Bosque Redondo story, is my husband's grandpa's move from Kinlichee to where the ranch is now. HIs grandpa was not even 10 years old and his family was pursued by skinwalkers for 2 days straight as they traveled by wagon. He said that his father gave him a whip to keep the skinwalkers back should any get to close. That'd be a very scary trip to take.

We don't collect katanas because of our children. They love to play with toy swords just a little too much to have real ones lying around. Someday, we will. We do have a bokken that my husband uses to check outside if we should see or hear anything odd (I don't like guns lol--he married the wrong girl! LOL). His grandpa always told him to go outside and act unafraid if they are out there. Cowering inside only lets them think that they can do more. We found a great Japanese restaurant in Albuquerque called Azuma. If you ever had that way, you should go. Great food and the sushi was just divine. When we go to Phoenix, we eat sushi almost the entire time that we are there. Even for breakfast...lol Do you remember the name of the Japanese store? We're trying to get a good collection of foods so that we don't go into withdrawals between trips. My husband thought that it was pretty cool that there's another Navajo into Japanese culture. You've probably heard of Kenji Kawano. We've met him and he is really a neat guy.

hmmm...very very interesting...and...gomen for not responding back on time...but teh story is very interesting...my brother seen one of those that hyper-extend their knees. at teh same place I seen teh on looking into teh room window...lol...my friends and I like teh japanese stuff too. hmm kenji kawano...thats cool! umm...teh store...I...kind of forgot teh name of it...I know it was in a plaza area...ok...yay! I looked it up and it was succesful...
"Fujiya Market" teh top front says japanese market...
1335 W.University Dr.Site5
Tempe,AZ 85281
(S.E. University & Priest)
thats teh address and the street names for it...hope you find it. its just right at teh corner of those two streets...and here are teh time they are open...Tues~Sat 10:30am~7:00pm
Sunday 12:00~6:00pm.

wow. I cant believe how simple your problem is

You just had a lucid dream, and a false awakening. It happens when you think you woke up, but your stilli a dream. It happens under some conditions, and weird stuff happens when it does. It was at night right? You just woke up. Did it take you long to fall asleep before that encounter? At what ime did you go to sleep? It all seems like a false awakening to me...

there you go:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_awakening

Skinwalkers are pretty freaky....

Hey...somehow I still believe you've just actually seen a skinwalker.
And you love Japanese culture? Thank you

Jitsu wa atashino chichi wa nihonjin desu. Kedo atashi wa hontou ni Indoneshia-jin. Hahaha!

whats a skinwalker?

^There's a search facility in this forum. I suggest you use that. That's also what I did when I was still a noob here.

well, compared to you, I'm not a noob. I know more than you can imagine

yet....somehow, he cant find the search engine...
and yes, you are compared to him on here. despite your knowledge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin-walker_%28mythology%29
but if you want some info from another site you can check out this one. its got some nice info

*ps humble apologies if this came off sounding mean*

No need to re-engineered this, they're already existing.
Half-man half-beast exactly, not only bull but also horse.

I really seems not real, to have a half bull half horse. The biology won't let that mix work, its just impossible, unless its not a living thing ( a ghost/demon)

thanks for all teh input. I think I wne to sleep about 9:00 or 10...and teh tradition skinwalking hours out here are like about...1:00 A.M. to about...3:00 A.M...I woke up about at 11 or 12...

...lol..i never heard about it. I mean half-man half-horse, though that beast has only 2 legs like a horse.
They are part of elemental creatures and you can't befriend this beast.

You try to compare your knowledge and understanding with me and other members? Read your post above twice!!

I wouldn't claim myself so smart, even if I'm a truly SMART person. Doing so proves that you have less knowledge but simply wants to show your stubbornity.

Wheeew...half horse half bull!

and yeah...wth...I...posted a wrong reply...

That reply you just quoted I think was for kageMT not you.

Ey brother, I wasn't talking tou you...I was talking to KageMT.
I have nothing against you, seriously!!!

gah! I'm such a baka...I...well...right when i sent it...I finally notice it was at kage and...I just modified teh post...but...I don't know if it worked...kuso! lol...

^ Hai..hai, daijobu, desu yo. Wakatta. Omae no sei ja nai zo.