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Paranoid Android
Not that I agree with all of this article (the author seems to draw some arbitrary parallel's between magnetic fields and the Holy Spirit, for example), but it is still an interesting read. the author's Professor seems to think it a very thought-provoking paper, even if it does happen to bend the rules occasionally original.gif Your thoughts?

EVOLUTION WATCH
Research: God did speak world into existence
Student's scientific documentation offers evidence of biblical account
Posted: February 11, 2007
9:35 p.m. Eastern

© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

A science student in Kentucky says when the Bible records God spoke, and things were created, that's just what happened, and he can support that with scientific experiments.

"If God spoke everything into existence as the Genesis record proposes, then we should be able to scientifically prove that the construction of everything in the universe begins with a) the Holy Spirit (magnetic field); b ) Light (an electric field); and c) that Light can be created by a sonic influence or sound," Samuel J. Hunt writes on his website.

"There are several documented and currently taught laboratory experiments that accurately portray the events in Genesis in sequential order, the most important being that of sonoluminescence," he wrote.

That, he described to WND, is the circumstance in which sending a sonic signal into bubbles in a fluid causes the bubbles to collapse and they release photons, or create light.

That aligns with one of the earlier descriptions of the creation by God, when, in Genesis 1:1-3, the Holy Spirit moved upon the face of the deep, which generally is considered water, and said "Let there be light," he explained.

God was sending a sonic influence into the waters, and basically creating light, Hunt said. He's documented his theory, and the experiments he believes back it up, in his "Episteme Scientia, the Law of All That Is."

Researchers at institutions no less than UCLA and the University of Chicago have verified the production of light from bubbles when sound is passed through a liquid, called sonoluminescence.

Hunt said he was spurred on in his work because the advanced physics and other courses he was taking were advancing propositions that sometimes didn't match up.

"The further I went, the more my questions seemed to be being answered in the Genesis record," he told WND.

His abstract states, "An examination of the sequential mathematical and experimental dual proof of the Genesis record of origins underlying the institution of all that is in the universe – from waves to matter to the mind."

Hunt said science has been proving the Genesis account in classrooms for centuries, "in spite of the fervency to promote evolution and big bang theories."

A student at Western Kentucky University in Bowling Green, Hunt said his questions started very simply.

"I asked my professors in physics and chemistry, 'What if I could scientifically prove that all matter was spoken into existence and that all matter could be manipulated by sound just as Genesis says? Wouldn't that mean God exists and created the universe?" he asked.

"Nobody's ever done that before," was the response.

His 84-page treatise, now published, addresses that, he said.

Hunt said he believes every event in Genesis can be observed to be happening daily.

"Either you experience a universe of chaos or a universe of order and processes that produce immediate and calculable results," he wrote. "The results of my research support and prove that everything that exists was spoken into existence from waves to matter to mind."

"My professors think my application of accepted laws and theories may bend the rules a bit, but the ideas are thought-provoking and progressive," he said.

The website describes the integration of several mathematical systems including "Phi, Pi, L-systems, Penrose tiling, and an all-encompassing Koch curve."

The outline, available at scienceprovescreation.com, already has sold more than 1,700 copies.

Hunt said his goal was to be able to provide experiments that would explain the Genesis creation story – in the order the Bible records events happened.

"Some of my teachers are like, 'That's complete hogwash,'" he said, "while others say, 'That's pretty interesting.'"

His goal is to bring a unity to the Christian community, "just like the founders of our nation expected and wanted from the Constitution."

The documentation of his processes, Hunt believes, could end debate.

"People want to know the truth, to have something to stand on that's not trickery and deceit," he said. "This gives people something real to touch, hang on to."

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__Kratos__
I was curious and then I sighed...

WorldNetDaily.com

WND is infamous for it's made up stories. It's also a very right wing christian site.

If there is another source for this article, I'll take a look at it.
Tangerine Sheri
its interesting Pa but this s is bowling green kentucky the bible belt Its very extreme relgious right inthe bible belt , there is no unbiased studys..thanks for sharing anyways...... grin2.gif
airika
Did he do an experiment in which he makes a "sonic voice talk into the water" and creat another human?? And if he has...then wouldn't it have been on tv?
While he MAY have created light through his experiments...I'm sure he has NOT created a living being.
JMPD1
Strange..... I linked to 'scienceprovescreation.com', and found that it was a site selling 'proof'.

Mattshark
That is pure plagerism, first sonoluminescence has been around since at least the early 1990's (I have found a paper talking about it from 1991) secondly it proves nothing of what he claims and the light last for 1 picosecond Nature 1991
Leonardo
Even if sonoluminescence was responsible for the initial moment of our universe (and that's a very big IF) it is no proof that a deity spoke the sound to start everything off.

Also it implies the universe was full of water - where did all this come from?

An interesting article but the author perhaps was too focussed on the religious context and not enough on the science?
zandore
QUOTE(__Kratos__ @ Feb 12 2007, 10:11 PM) [snapback]1540909[/snapback]
I was curious and then I sighed...

WorldNetDaily.com

WND is infamous for it's made up stories. It's also a very right wing christian site.

Kind of like that one Russian website (Pravda I think) and some on the stories the post.
rev r
I've always found interesting the role sound plays in various beginning scenarios.
Celumnaz
QUOTE(rev r @ Feb 13 2007, 05:44 PM) [snapback]1542252[/snapback]
I've always found interesting the role sound plays in various beginning scenarios.

sound is very important in creation imo... waves and vibrations... songs...

QUOTE(__Kratos__ @ Feb 12 2007, 09:11 PM) [snapback]1540909[/snapback]
WND is infamous for it's made up stories. It's also a very right wing christian site.

to leave the religious part out (to point out to someone else) could you point me to a quick place that shows a made up story? if not np no biggie.

Cool read! original.gif
KBA
Interesting notion, but sadly the whole thing is absolutely invalid because the only evidence of God in there is the bit about the magnetic field, and you cannot at all prove that a magnetic field is the holy spirit. It's kind of like a bunch of science with a religious insinuation thrown in which is still faith-based.
__Kratos__
QUOTE(Celumnaz @ Feb 13 2007, 05:52 PM) [snapback]1542262[/snapback]
to leave the religious part out (to point out to someone else) could you point me to a quick place that shows a made up story? if not np no biggie.


Sure, google a paragraph and look for another site to this. All lead back to the proven liars at WND. Zandore is correct to say the site is just like Pravda or even Rense. WND is an unrealiable site that has been spreading false stories for some time now.

It's also very amusing that you have to buy the 84 page report on a site that looks like it was thrown together by dreamweaver.

As far as anybody can tell WND is just promoting a christian idea that has no foundation.

WND - Wiki link

Many cases of misleading articles, bias and falsehoods.

Kind of like their oh so amusing of the claim that soy makes children gay. laugh.gif Completely idiotic.
Paranoid Android
QUOTE(rev r @ Feb 14 2007, 10:44 AM) [snapback]1542252[/snapback]
I've always found interesting the role sound plays in various beginning scenarios.
I think you'd be interested in this, rev - Back in my second year of uni I did a paper for my World Song class, and I chose to write on the Tibetan monk chants. The essay question was fairly fluid so I could write on any aspect I chose, so naturally I chose a music culture with a strong spiritual root. I explored the notion that for the monks, "religion is sound".

For Kratos and others - I just came across this article, and (like I said) I didn't agree with everything. I didn't know about WND's reporting, it was just an article sent to my family by a friend we have in the US, so I thought I'd share it here, because it did seem interesting. I guess I should apologize for not checking my sources more thoroughly original.gif

Regards, PA
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(Paranoid Android @ Feb 13 2007, 06:42 PM) [snapback]1542429[/snapback]
I think you'd be interested in this, rev - Back in my second year of uni I did a paper for my World Song class, and I chose to write on the Tibetan monk chants. The essay question was fairly fluid so I could write on any aspect I chose, so naturally I chose a music culture with a strong spiritual root. I explored the notion that for the monks, "religion is sound".

For Kratos and others - I just came across this article, and (like I said) I didn't agree with everything. I didn't know about WND's reporting, it was just an article sent to my family by a friend we have in the US, so I thought I'd share it here, because it did seem interesting. I guess I should apologize for not checking my sources more thoroughly original.gif

Regards, PA

Do you still have that paper you wrote on buddhist chants I'd love to read it or know more it sounds very intresting....

Pa it was a interesting article very good/brave of you to share with us vultures LOL...
Paranoid Android
I do still have that paper, but it's on my old harddrive (my PC died on me last year, had to get a new one). I'm supposed to get something else off that harddrive for someone else, so when I do, I'll copy it over and send you a copy. It's not the highest quality of essays though, it was one of those last-minute rush jobs. But it covers the basics wink2.gif
rev r
mosdef my robotic buddy, I'd love to give it a read. Might even inspire a new song.
Atheist God
So can someone explain to me how this is scientific at all, because I am at a loss here. Just seems like hear say and speculation to me.
Mattshark
QUOTE(GanjaGuru @ Feb 15 2007, 01:58 AM) [snapback]1543656[/snapback]
So can someone explain to me how this is scientific at all, because I am at a loss here. Just seems like hear say and speculation to me.

It is, he has taken an already well founded scientific idea and made a load of crap surronding it.
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