I was just using it as an example...If you told your child very clearly not to do something then they did it, surely you'd at least tell them that they shouldn't have?

When I was in junior high I met a young man that had just transferred to our public school. His first non-parochial education experience. His parents had decided to take him out of the Baptist school he had attended all those prior years, because the principle had paddled him for combing his hair in class, after first bell.

Now, you have to imagine this, because it makes a point about "crime" and punishment, by faithful standards. The paddle, was from the length of your middle finger, to the elbow. 2 inches thick and carved with slats across it's length, so as to not be retarded in the swing, by the air pressure on the down swing toward the buttocks. He was paddled hard, three times. Being a slender young man, the impact shattered his coccyx and he passed out after the third strike.

He awoke in the hospital with a stuffed bear beside him and a large cross embedded into a pot of lilly's, beside his hospital bed. On the note, in the flower display, was this message: (The boy kept this in his wallet to remind him of what evil looked like, he said) It isn't hard to remember because it was short and vicious. "Dear _________, May god bless and keep you now that the devil has left your soul." It was signed by that principle.

Did the parents press charges!? No. Did the boy recover!? Somewhat, though his gait was a bit skewed, because the cocci is where the gluteus maximus and minimus muscles attach and right above that , in the sacrum , is where all the spinal nerves entwine.

Corporal punishment is still practiced in many christian schools. And in many jurisdictions, there are campaigns to introduce the practice into the secular domain.

Do things like that still happen in the US? Wow, no wonder so many people don't feel comfartable around Christians...But I've said it before and I'll say it again, not all Christians are like that. In fact, very few are.

I don't parent with the reward punishment construct, my kids self correct..its a long story...we have core teachings wehn these are veered from the 'mistakes' are used for the knowledge the contain and applyed. Its of great importance to be realistic too when pareting one should know the phases a child will pass through and allow for plenty of encouragment and positive reinforcement....

hold on Fluer you are yourself using a example from the reward punishment construct of parenting, yes not only christain but alot of others parent in this fashion , unless you are actually making an effort not to...thisis a socially excepted norm a conditioning...What does profoundly gifted mean???

If you talking about the comment I posted about punishing a child for swearing, I was actually taken out of context...A while back in the topic we were talking about children being told off for thier sins and I used that as an example of how the same thing happens in everyday life...

so you wouldn't punish a child for slang????would you punish a child for anything...

I'm confused...You were the one who said that you wouldn't punish a child for slang...

Unless I misunderstood you...

Only within Pentacostal/Charismatic churches. Most other branches of Christianity don't place such a heavy emphasis on gifts of the spirit (such as speaking in tongues), and as such very rarely, if ever, have this happen. Remember that in the Bible, when the apostles were speaking in tongues they weren't spouting gibberish that's mumbling unknown phrases that is supposed to be the language of the angels or some such. The apostles spoke in their language and the many hearers from many different places all heard them speak in their own langauge.

That is what speaking in tongues is, not the Pentacostal emphasis on speaking whatever words come to you.....

My opinion of course.

In relation to the Jesus Camp video though, I have to agree with the consensus - it's not a good idea to scream and browbeat a child, whatever the reasons. I believe that if a Christian parent wants to raise their child religious then they should. If the child chooses at a later date to give the faith away, then so be it, there's nothign more for it (and certainly they shouldn't be disowned for that). But to so heavily and detrimentally scream at children is never good.

Again, my opinion only.... of course

Regards, PA

When I was still in school (back in the 1970's),the public schools were allowed to spank a child,but that soon changed in the 1980's.In the 80's,the schools had to have a permission slip signed by the parent before they could spank a child.If the parents wouldn't sign the permission slip...then the schools could not spank the child.Apparently,the schools are no longer allowed to spank children at all (probably due to incidents like the one you mentioned in your post...but where parents did end up suing).




There are many who share this opinion,yet I know that many also share the opinion that a child should be taught what religion is (by the parents)...but given the choice of choosing their own way (or no way) whenever the parents feel that the child is ready to do such a thing.

Either way can work.But you are right (and many others agree,including psychiatrists) that browbeating,yelling and threatening children is never a good thing.Doing such can damage a young mind beyond repair.

its a question to you, not about me LOL....my syntax leaves alot to be desired LOL...

Well...If I had a child who swore when I had told them not to use that word I would probably punish them...Not anything drastic though, unless they did it more then once, then I'd probably do something more...

In the States, what with reported escalations in student violence, etc... there have been news reports over the years wherein school boards have been petitioned by some parents, to bring back the corporal punishment system in cases where it had been banned before. And to there are districts that still offer that permission slip/waiver, that you mentioned. Facts About Corporal Punishment

Personally, I would never let a school authority (Principal, teacher, counselor) paddle my child. If it was in their judgment they were deserving of such measures, I'd wish to be consulted and then would review the issue myself as their parent. I do not believe one beats a child into submission and has a emotionally balanced, socially secure individual, after. And, as in the example of that boy I knew so long ago, it's also clear that there are some deviants that relish the opportunity to bully or torture, and that simply teaches a child something worse than what a punishment is suppose to impart, for any measure of offense a child might have committed. Role models, in the learning environment, should not teach the lesson they can break a child's coccyx, and remain not only employed, but free of assault charges.

And in the event of a vicious attack, such as that, the emotional and physical trauma imprinted in the mind of the child lasts far longer , when a disciplinary tactic remains in the mind and on the body, of the victim.

How can you say that? You are a child.

Thanks for the info.I haven't kept up on what the latest rules in schools are.After all,I haven't been in school since the early 80's.

heh i know if i was ever "spanked" in school id prolly assault the teacher back... hit them with their own paddle so how they like it, and im sure that would go for alot of teens that are in highschool now...

It's been awhile since I attended school as well. However, I can't say I'd want to attend the environment that is set up today. What with metal detectors, armed guards, spontaneous frisks and locker searches, etc... It's more akin to sentencing one's child to an education than sending them to school. And then, what with all the political liberal apologist Bills that go forward to allow students in less functional environs transfer to higher end schools, and then those schools are forced to lower their standards for everyone that does transfer, in order to make the child's less than average acumen, no wonder our education system is not even qualified in the top 10 of the world.

Have you ever watched the Jay Leno show ,when he goes out on the street and asks teenagers questions related to geography, politics, current events!? That should embarrass any school superintendent.

I'm only saying that's what I would do. Just because I'm a child dosn't mean I can't have a view on things....Really I'm talking about young children, anyway, though I do now some people my age who swear all the time for no reason and there parents don't seem to care. I don't agree with that at all. I don't really like swear words anyway...I think it's fine for someone my age to swear on occassion out of frustration or something, but I hate the people who do it for no reason.

Fleur this is how you parenting has been modeled for you am I right sweetie??? think about it how does saying a slang word warrant a punishment , is this bible based by any chance??? We are talking a child here....

She hasn't even specified what kind of punishment she's talking about and you're ridiculing her.

So, I guess your kids swear like sailors...I hear kids do it every day, from the age of about six, because they always gotten away with it.

michelle,LOL...having another bad day michelle ?? ... :tu:the idea of punishment is absurd. as a whole.... you assume kids who arent' punished swear , well you are wrong ..

No, I was just wondering how long you were going to harass and condescend this sweet, polite child and was watching.

So you never made your child sit in a corner or take away a toy when they were acting up?

oh please , no I'm a organic parent, we have outgrown the need to humilite and demean a child and call it parenting.. our standards are a bit higher...LOL ..i have no need to condescend, She does seem to be a sweet kid ......

Oh screw that. If my kid ever acted out of place and misbehaved, they'ed find themselves spanked and cornered so fast it'll make their head spin.

You're their parent, not their best friend. The friend part can come later when they move out.

Well, why don't you start a parenting thread and teach all us backward, backwoods, idiots a thing or two. I for one, fear for your children when they get out into the world having been taught by you and homeschooled, especially if they look down their noses at people the way you do, sheri.

This is a thread on Jesus Camp.

Michelle, you are diefing me not I.... thi sis your mongering Michelle possibly you are talking about yourself.. jealousy is a interesting human emotion...It tends to bring out the worst in a otherwise lovely human being.... Its jsut a thread my freind...LOL

Oh please, you just illistrated my point perfectly...

Whats wrong with homeschooling? Schools suck.

hows the need to be righteous working for you my friend??? Michelle what oculd you possibly know about me or my kids, other than what you have made up or imagined....i don't know you from adam...LOL


Indeed, how scary a homeschooled child that is self correcting, self advocating , responsible a humanitarian, a vegetairian, diverse in his friendships, polite, gentle kind extremeely compassionate, mature intellegent, understanding has the ability to solve conflict,, is open and loveable , self motivated and a inspiration, example to most of his peers and his family members, a delight to be with..yes this is cause for greaat concern...LOL....

Fleur is 12 years old. Please remember this!!

It's totally unacceptable to subject her to this type of questioning. It's no-one elses business how her parents raise her and it is definately not up for public debate.

This thread has had it's day. Closed. .