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patriot5
Regarding the big bang theory and whether or not anything existed before, let's just look at what we do believe. The Universe is here and our telescopes are probing deeper and deeper into that universe and are finding galaxies and 'other' things in the far distance.
Some possible theories are that quite possibly the first astronomer to reach the alleged, so-called end of the universe might just see the back of his own head. Another possibility is that there is no end. Why not accept that fact since it is beyond our capability to imagine anything else even though we as humans tend to think in terms of dimension rather than pure abstract.
The last concept is to make the determination that you have a choice to believe or not to believe in a Creator. Given that option, why "Gambol?"
aquatus1
QUOTE(patriot5 @ Feb 14 2007, 07:22 PM) [snapback]1543279[/snapback]
Some possible theories are that quite possibly the first astronomer to reach the alleged, so-called end of the universe might just see the back of his own head. Another possibility is that there is no end. Why not accept that fact since it is beyond our capability to imagine anything else even though we as humans tend to think in terms of dimension rather than pure abstract.
The last concept is to make the determination that you have a choice to believe or not to believe in a Creator. Given that option, why "Gambol?"


Gamble? Gambling is making a decision which you do not have the data to reliably predict an outcome for. If you decide to simply accept something, for whatever reason, you are gambling that you are correct. If you choose to believe in God, you are still gambling that you are correct, and you are still quite capable of being wrong. Just because you made a choice does not make it the corret choice.

Beyond that, it is also unscientific, and I can only imagine by the content of your post, you are aiming this question at people who make decisions using scientific methods. To a scientist, saying "I don't know." is a perfectly acceptable answer. Scientists accepted a long, long time ago that there will always be more questions, and as an extension to that, that we do not know everything there is to know. An astronomer might well look into his telescope and see the back of his head. He might not see anything. He might see a very surprised Charton Heston looking guy on the other end. We don't know, currently, but there is no reason to believe that we will never know, or at least be able to make better and better guesses. So, we don't. We simply accept the limits of our knowledge, and work to overcome them. We work to learn more. We work to discover new data. That is what science is all about. If you just decide to say "God did it." and accept that as an explanation...well, you haven't really answered any question, and you have pretty much shut yourself off from learning anything new.
jaylemurph
Well, I'm no cosmologist, but there are theories about what preceded the Big Bang, and where the matter/energy for the Big Bang comes from. I believe that they go something along the lines that there is an Ur-Universe from which our current (and other) universe(s) spring, and that the movement of some daughter universes spurs on and inhibits growth of other universes, and that this whole system of universes is part of one whole cycle, with no beginning or end.
Last time I heard, they were just at the brink of discovering whether or not the universe would expand out until its heat death or was locked in a cycle of expansion and contraction from the Big Bang to the Ganb gib. But I don't know what the answer was.

And I suspect, somewhere buried in the back of your argument, is the old trope that the created world somehow describes its creator. That along with Pascal's Wager (where your idea about belief in god being a gamble ultimately springs from) have both been pretty well philosophically disproven several centuries ago.


--Jaylemurph


PS: I think you meant (and aqautus1 took it as) "gamble". Although I do like the idea of an astronomer or two (and not an astronaut!) gambolling about at the edge of the universe!
Celumnaz
QUOTE(jaylemurph @ Feb 14 2007, 01:50 PM) [snapback]1543304[/snapback]
Last time I heard, they were just at the brink of discovering whether or not the universe would expand out until its heat death or was locked in a cycle of expansion and contraction from the Big Bang to the Ganb gib. But I don't know what the answer was.

Think they came up with forever expanding... eventually so far no light would be able to reach so if the earth exsisted (it'll be burned up before it happens) people would look up to a starless night.
August_Sonereal
QUOTE(patriot5 @ Feb 14 2007, 02:22 PM) [snapback]1543279[/snapback]
Regarding the big bang theory and whether or not anything existed before, let's just look at what we do believe. The Universe is here and our telescopes are probing deeper and deeper into that universe and are finding galaxies and 'other' things in the far distance.
Some possible theories are that quite possibly the first astronomer to reach the alleged, so-called end of the universe might just see the back of his own head. Another possibility is that there is no end. Why not accept that fact since it is beyond our capability to imagine anything else even though we as humans tend to think in terms of dimension rather than pure abstract.
The last concept is to make the determination that you have a choice to believe or not to believe in a Creator. Given that option, why "Gambol?"


The end could be a mirror.... and there has to be an end....it's just that we will never see it until it comes crashing onto us
jaylemurph
Why does there have to be an end?


--Jaylemurph
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