In the middle 1980's there was an article in the detroit news on the third, editorial, page that elaborated upon the fact that there were, at that time, over 15,000 think tanks operating in the united States at any given time. Because I am a discerner I gave a serious amount of time to just what that article signifyed. Without a doubt most of the masses missed what was not being stated.
A think tank primarily is devoted to mind control, i.e., what does it take to move minds to buy or utilize a product, however, the underlying motivation is how do we, the marketplace, make the people learn to accept what is being offered.
On another scale, the primary purchasers of the think tank product is government, religion and the media. Without a doubt the irs is a prime purchaser of think tank results because it has to maintain an acceptable level of control over the american people with regard to "voluntary-compliance". Now you ask, "Why would the irs have that concept as a primary goal?"
Let's look first at what government has been doing for the last one hundred (100) years or more with regard to spending. Vast amounts of fiats are wasted annually and very few members of the congress even discuss the waste.
In 1933 the nation was declared bankrupt and the paper money became the means to the end of government control over its wasteful spending behavior.
In 1935, the congress enacted the so-called Social Security Act which allowed a withholding to be initiated upon "employers".
In 1942, the congress passed the Victory tax Act and since withholding had been established (only upon employers) it was enforced upon the labor of the state citizens and there was limited outcry since any detractor of that scam would have been called a traitor; a japanese sympathizer or a german sympathizer.
In 1943, the congress revised the Victory Tax to become the extended income tax act and the american people have been cheated out of their labor earnings in violation of the 5th Amendment "Takings Clause" without just compensation.
Returning now to the intent of this article, the reader should now realize how government has become much more surreptitious and nefarious with regard to how it means to control the thinking of the people. Title 26, the internal revenue code has absolutely no sections explicitly defining who is 'one required' yet millions subject themselves to filing returns without ever making an effort to determine if, in fact, they are even 'one required'.
Butcher's Union v. Crescent City was a major United States Supreme Court determination whereby the court opinioned that the labor of every person was inviolable; untouchable, not taxable, not infringeable, so to speak, yet today, millions donate, through the oxymoron of voluntary-compliance, their labor earnings and their personal wealth without nary a question.
All that a person has to do is spend a lengthy amount of time in a library delving into the history of this once great Republic to determine, as I have, that when Baron Rothschild stated, "You give me the control over the money of any nation and I do not care what laws they pass.", he knew exactly what he was saying because his progeny and the international bankers control every fiat transaction that is undertaken in this country and probably the world and very few individuals ever question what transpires.
Mind control is not a mystery, it is an evil that organizations not unlike the Bilderbergers, the Council of Foreign Relations, the Trilateralists, among many others utilize every day to maintain a total control over how we function, think and transact.
Every word that has been stated above is verifiable in the libraries, the federal depositories and in the many archives.
Read and uncover the greatest mystery of all, why mankind allows their public servants, government, to control their minds!
As I compose more information I will attempt to further enlighten you with regard to the irs scam, among others. patriot5
George Santayana stated, "Those who do not learn from the mistakes of the past are bound to repeat them!"
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Good article, but we dont need think tanks to control our mind. Just give us a tax cut and that is enough to shut us up for a few years.
in my opinion the typical American mindset is based on "whats in it for me!"
a profit driven society based on further improving on one's already comfortable way of life.
a profit driven society based on further improving on one's already comfortable way of life.
I don't know: I personally value the police, the firemen, public transport, libraries, schools, hospitals, museums, federal regulation of airspace, interstate highways, state parks, national parks, public assistance, and the army.
And I know these things run by and funded by the government cost money and that I take advantage of these things. I feel I ought to pay my fair share in taxes.
Am I brainwashed or just responsible?
--Jaylemurph
And I know these things run by and funded by the government cost money and that I take advantage of these things. I feel I ought to pay my fair share in taxes.
Am I brainwashed or just responsible?
--Jaylemurph
You're brainwashed to think you're responsible?
Hard to say. If experience is any guide, that piece of illogic I posted will be agreed with by the same people bringing you the original opening opinions disguised as logical conclusions, because, frankly, a clear and distinct path from evidence to conclusion is not a requirement when accusing the faceless government of the U.S.
Hard to say. If experience is any guide, that piece of illogic I posted will be agreed with by the same people bringing you the original opening opinions disguised as logical conclusions, because, frankly, a clear and distinct path from evidence to conclusion is not a requirement when accusing the faceless government of the U.S.
My favourite bit ever from the X-Files was in the episode where Mulder meets the Lone Gunmen. When Mulder tells them of the huge government plot, one of the just asks "The same people who brought you Amtrak"?
Sure, Amtrak and conspiracy theory-level evil are compatible!
--Jaylemurph
Sure, Amtrak and conspiracy theory-level evil are compatible!
--Jaylemurph
QUOTE(jaylemurph @ Feb 15 2007, 02:52 AM) [snapback]1543708[/snapback]
I don't know: I personally value the police, the firemen, public transport, libraries, schools, hospitals, museums, federal regulation of airspace, interstate highways, state parks, national parks, public assistance, and the army.
And I know these things run by and funded by the government cost money and that I take advantage of these things. I feel I ought to pay my fair share in taxes.
Am I brainwashed or just responsible?
--Jaylemurph
And I know these things run by and funded by the government cost money and that I take advantage of these things. I feel I ought to pay my fair share in taxes.
Am I brainwashed or just responsible?
--Jaylemurph
Not one penny of the income tax that is collected goes to the government. Just inquire from your congressman, the irs or the US Treasury and they will quickly tell you that every cent goes to the federal reserve to pay the national debt.
First of all, how can debt paper, the fiats, pay a debt with a debt? Second, how did a national debt get created when nothing was borrowed? You cannot borrow debt paper and call it money of account. The only purpose of the income tax is to keep the alleged debt continuing to move the fiats to the international bankers that control the (un)federal (no)reserve. China allegedly has 13 Trillion of federal reserve notes. When do you think that they are going to demand substance for all that paper?
Always remember what George Santayana stated, "Unless we learn from the mistakes of the past we are bound (doomed) to repeat them!"
QUOTE(patriot5 @ Feb 15 2007, 12:08 AM) [snapback]1543824[/snapback]
Not one penny of the income tax that is collected goes to the government. Just inquire from your congressman, the irs or the US Treasury and they will quickly tell you that every cent goes to the federal reserve to pay the national debt.
First of all, how can debt paper, the fiats, pay a debt with a debt? Second, how did a national debt get created when nothing was borrowed? You cannot borrow debt paper and call it money of account. The only purpose of the income tax is to keep the alleged debt continuing to move the fiats to the international bankers that control the (un)federal (no)reserve. China allegedly has 13 Trillion of federal reserve notes. When do you think that they are going to demand substance for all that paper?
Always remember what George Santayana stated, "Unless we learn from the mistakes of the past we are bound (doomed) to repeat them!"
First of all, how can debt paper, the fiats, pay a debt with a debt? Second, how did a national debt get created when nothing was borrowed? You cannot borrow debt paper and call it money of account. The only purpose of the income tax is to keep the alleged debt continuing to move the fiats to the international bankers that control the (un)federal (no)reserve. China allegedly has 13 Trillion of federal reserve notes. When do you think that they are going to demand substance for all that paper?
Always remember what George Santayana stated, "Unless we learn from the mistakes of the past we are bound (doomed) to repeat them!"
And just as aquatus said, I'm not going out on a limb to make reasonable responses to this.
For all the conspiracy theory out there, the federal, state, and local governments of this country do a pretty good job of continuing to provide their promised services. Not a perfect job -- and the fact they can't be perfect is a most eloquent dismissal of conspiracists' Machiavellian claims (and please don't tire us all with "but that's what they /want/ you to think" claims).
And if you're going to go on with outrageous conspiracy theory claims, be true to yourself and don't use euphemisms: we all know what you mean when you say "international bankers".
--Jaylemurph
QUOTE(jaylemurph @ Feb 15 2007, 06:09 AM) [snapback]1543898[/snapback]
And just as aquatus said, I'm not going out on a limb to make reasonable responses to this.
For all the conspiracy theory out there, the federal, state, and local governments of this country do a pretty good job of continuing to provide their promised services. Not a perfect job -- and the fact they can't be perfect is a most eloquent dismissal of conspiracists' Machiavellian claims (and please don't tire us all with "but that's what they /want/ you to think" claims).
And if you're going to go on with outrageous conspiracy theory claims, be true to yourself and don't use euphemisms: we all know what you mean when you say "international bankers".
--Jaylemurph
For all the conspiracy theory out there, the federal, state, and local governments of this country do a pretty good job of continuing to provide their promised services. Not a perfect job -- and the fact they can't be perfect is a most eloquent dismissal of conspiracists' Machiavellian claims (and please don't tire us all with "but that's what they /want/ you to think" claims).
And if you're going to go on with outrageous conspiracy theory claims, be true to yourself and don't use euphemisms: we all know what you mean when you say "international bankers".
--Jaylemurph
What outrageous conspiracy claims? Your government, not mine, has been stealing from you and wasting all that they steal, notwithstanding what they provide for themselves. The socalled benefits and services that you state they provide are not up to any acceptable standard. Also, how do you explain how those benefits and services are being provided to illegal immigrants? We have people in this country that are undernourished and unemployed and they desire both but YOUR government services are not being provided to them. You had better awaken and start reading many of the great articles that are available on the internet and maybe, just maybe, the fog will be diminished from your mind!
QUOTE(patriot5 @ Feb 14 2007, 09:38 PM) [snapback]1543413[/snapback]
In the middle 1980's there was an article in the detroit news on the third, editorial, page that elaborated upon the fact that there were, at that time, over 15,000 think tanks operating in the united States at any given time. Because I am a discerner I gave a serious amount of time to just what that article signifyed. Without a doubt most of the masses missed what was not being stated.
A think tank primarily is devoted to mind control, i.e., what does it take to move minds to buy or utilize a product, however, the underlying motivation is how do we, the marketplace, make the people learn to accept what is being offered.
On another scale, the primary purchasers of the think tank product is government, religion and the media. Without a doubt the irs is a prime purchaser of think tank results because it has to maintain an acceptable level of control over the american people with regard to "voluntary-compliance". Now you ask, "Why would the irs have that concept as a primary goal?"
Let's look first at what government has been doing for the last one hundred (100) years or more with regard to spending. Vast amounts of fiats are wasted annually and very few members of the congress even discuss the waste.
In 1933 the nation was declared bankrupt and the paper money became the means to the end of government control over its wasteful spending behavior.
In 1935, the congress enacted the so-called Social Security Act which allowed a withholding to be initiated upon "employers".
In 1942, the congress passed the Victory tax Act and since withholding had been established (only upon employers) it was enforced upon the labor of the state citizens and there was limited outcry since any detractor of that scam would have been called a traitor; a japanese sympathizer or a german sympathizer.
In 1943, the congress revised the Victory Tax to become the extended income tax act and the american people have been cheated out of their labor earnings in violation of the 5th Amendment "Takings Clause" without just compensation.
Returning now to the intent of this article, the reader should now realize how government has become much more surreptitious and nefarious with regard to how it means to control the thinking of the people. Title 26, the internal revenue code has absolutely no sections explicitly defining who is 'one required' yet millions subject themselves to filing returns without ever making an effort to determine if, in fact, they are even 'one required'.
Butcher's Union v. Crescent City was a major United States Supreme Court determination whereby the court opinioned that the labor of every person was inviolable; untouchable, not taxable, not infringeable, so to speak, yet today, millions donate, through the oxymoron of voluntary-compliance, their labor earnings and their personal wealth without nary a question.
All that a person has to do is spend a lengthy amount of time in a library delving into the history of this once great Republic to determine, as I have, that when Baron Rothschild stated, "You give me the control over the money of any nation and I do not care what laws they pass.", he knew exactly what he was saying because his progeny and the international bankers control every fiat transaction that is undertaken in this country and probably the world and very few individuals ever question what transpires.
Mind control is not a mystery, it is an evil that organizations not unlike the Bilderbergers, the Council of Foreign Relations, the Trilateralists, among many others utilize every day to maintain a total control over how we function, think and transact.
Every word that has been stated above is verifiable in the libraries, the federal depositories and in the many archives.
Read and uncover the greatest mystery of all, why mankind allows their public servants, government, to control their minds!
As I compose more information I will attempt to further enlighten you with regard to the irs scam, among others. patriot5
George Santayana stated, "Those who do not learn from the mistakes of the past are bound to repeat them!"
A think tank primarily is devoted to mind control, i.e., what does it take to move minds to buy or utilize a product, however, the underlying motivation is how do we, the marketplace, make the people learn to accept what is being offered.
On another scale, the primary purchasers of the think tank product is government, religion and the media. Without a doubt the irs is a prime purchaser of think tank results because it has to maintain an acceptable level of control over the american people with regard to "voluntary-compliance". Now you ask, "Why would the irs have that concept as a primary goal?"
Let's look first at what government has been doing for the last one hundred (100) years or more with regard to spending. Vast amounts of fiats are wasted annually and very few members of the congress even discuss the waste.
In 1933 the nation was declared bankrupt and the paper money became the means to the end of government control over its wasteful spending behavior.
In 1935, the congress enacted the so-called Social Security Act which allowed a withholding to be initiated upon "employers".
In 1942, the congress passed the Victory tax Act and since withholding had been established (only upon employers) it was enforced upon the labor of the state citizens and there was limited outcry since any detractor of that scam would have been called a traitor; a japanese sympathizer or a german sympathizer.
In 1943, the congress revised the Victory Tax to become the extended income tax act and the american people have been cheated out of their labor earnings in violation of the 5th Amendment "Takings Clause" without just compensation.
Returning now to the intent of this article, the reader should now realize how government has become much more surreptitious and nefarious with regard to how it means to control the thinking of the people. Title 26, the internal revenue code has absolutely no sections explicitly defining who is 'one required' yet millions subject themselves to filing returns without ever making an effort to determine if, in fact, they are even 'one required'.
Butcher's Union v. Crescent City was a major United States Supreme Court determination whereby the court opinioned that the labor of every person was inviolable; untouchable, not taxable, not infringeable, so to speak, yet today, millions donate, through the oxymoron of voluntary-compliance, their labor earnings and their personal wealth without nary a question.
All that a person has to do is spend a lengthy amount of time in a library delving into the history of this once great Republic to determine, as I have, that when Baron Rothschild stated, "You give me the control over the money of any nation and I do not care what laws they pass.", he knew exactly what he was saying because his progeny and the international bankers control every fiat transaction that is undertaken in this country and probably the world and very few individuals ever question what transpires.
Mind control is not a mystery, it is an evil that organizations not unlike the Bilderbergers, the Council of Foreign Relations, the Trilateralists, among many others utilize every day to maintain a total control over how we function, think and transact.
Every word that has been stated above is verifiable in the libraries, the federal depositories and in the many archives.
Read and uncover the greatest mystery of all, why mankind allows their public servants, government, to control their minds!
As I compose more information I will attempt to further enlighten you with regard to the irs scam, among others. patriot5
George Santayana stated, "Those who do not learn from the mistakes of the past are bound to repeat them!"
For all of those believers that government is providing benefits and services, how many of you have made any attempt to learn and understand just what the CAFR reports show you. Government at all levels maintain two (2) sets of books. The first set shows what the expenses are that occur and the second set is called the CAFR report. The CAFR report shows how monies are being set aside for all of the benefits and privileges, pensions, bonuses and whatever else government provides for itself. The combined reports of all of the local, state and federal governments is so monumental that is boggles the mind; and that is your government at work. All governments are making certain that they are provided for regardless of what may transpire and who ever challenges those statistics?
QUOTE(patriot5 @ Feb 16 2007, 10:09 AM) [snapback]1545718[/snapback]
For all of those believers that government is providing benefits and services, how many of you have made any attempt to learn and understand just what the CAFR reports show you. Government at all levels maintain two (2) sets of books. The first set shows what the expenses are that occur and the second set is called the CAFR report. The CAFR report shows how monies are being set aside for all of the benefits and privileges, pensions, bonuses and whatever else government provides for itself. The combined reports of all of the local, state and federal governments is so monumental that is boggles the mind; and that is your government at work. All governments are making certain that they are provided for regardless of what may transpire and who ever challenges those statistics?
So, are you implying that all that money is wasted on pensions and benefits for retired federal employees? And all the federal programs and projects are not up to your standards?
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...monies are being set aside for all of the benefits and privileges, pensions, bonuses and whatever else government provides for itself.
What would you rather these monies be used for? I do agree that using them for health care or welfare for illegal immigrants is wrong, but I think that's a seperate issue. I think if you have a conclusion to make here, you should go ahead and make it. I think you left things a little vague here.
QUOTE(patriot5 @ Feb 16 2007, 11:00 AM) [snapback]1545705[/snapback]
What outrageous conspiracy claims? Your government, not mine, has been stealing from you and wasting all that they steal, notwithstanding what they provide for themselves. The socalled benefits and services that you state they provide are not up to any acceptable standard. Also, how do you explain how those benefits and services are being provided to illegal immigrants? We have people in this country that are undernourished and unemployed and they desire both but YOUR government services are not being provided to them. You had better awaken and start reading many of the great articles that are available on the internet and maybe, just maybe, the fog will be diminished from your mind!
Your outrageous claim is this: "Your government, not mine, has been stealing from you and wasting all that they steal..."
Now, first of all, I don't know where you live, but I would assume it's America because you're so peeved at their so-called "theft", but that can't be correct because you clearly state the American government isn't "mine".
Maybe you're one of the those dratted illegal aliens sucking up my god-given right to governmental largess.
Or, perhaps more charmingly, you claim to be a "real" American who abhors the soulless, megalithic structure of the federal government and years for it to return to the simple form of yore.
And since I don't know where you live, I couldn't possibly comment on the nature of the services and benefits you recieve. I live in New York City. After the events of 9/11, most of the country knows the values of our police force and fire fighters. I doubt even you have the stones to call them "not up to any acceptable standard" to their face. The MTA, though not perfect, is one of the best public transport systems in the world. And it's cheap. The New York Public Library system, again, is excellent. To suggest it is "not up to any acceptable standard" only shows your ignorance of the subject.
Illegal immigrants? *sighs
I take it you mean illegal /Hispanic/ immigrants. Nobody ever gets bent out of shape about illegal Canadians or Germans sucking the country dry.
Again I say to you: if you're going to be racist, at least be brave enough to show your hate and not hide behind euphemisms.
--Jaylemurph
*edited to insert an 'our'*
The American mind is indeed the number one unexplained mystery to me.
QUOTE(jaylemurph @ Feb 16 2007, 12:26 PM) [snapback]1545893[/snapback]
Your outrageous claim is this: "Your government, not mine, has been stealing from you and wasting all that they steal..."
Now, first of all, I don't know where you live, but I would assume it's America because you're so peeved at their so-called "theft", but that can't be correct because you clearly state the American government isn't "mine".
Maybe you're one of the those dratted illegal aliens sucking up my god-given right to governmental largess.
Or, perhaps more charmingly, you claim to be a "real" American who abhors the soulless, megalithic structure of the federal government and years for it to return to the simple form of yore.
And since I don't know where you live, I couldn't possibly comment on the nature of the services and benefits you recieve. I live in New York City. After the events of 9/11, most of the country knows the values of our police force and fire fighters. I doubt even you have the stones to call them "not up to any acceptable standard" to their face. The MTA, though not perfect, is one of the best public transport systems in the world. And it's cheap. The New York Public Library system, again, is excellent. To suggest it is "not up to any acceptable standard" only shows your ignorance of the subject.
Illegal immigrants? *sighs
I take it you mean illegal /Hispanic/ immigrants. Nobody ever gets bent out of shape about illegal Canadians or Germans sucking the country dry.
Again I say to you: if you're going to be racist, at least be brave enough to show your hate and not hide behind euphemisms.
--Jaylemurph
*edited to insert an 'our'*
Now, first of all, I don't know where you live, but I would assume it's America because you're so peeved at their so-called "theft", but that can't be correct because you clearly state the American government isn't "mine".
Maybe you're one of the those dratted illegal aliens sucking up my god-given right to governmental largess.
Or, perhaps more charmingly, you claim to be a "real" American who abhors the soulless, megalithic structure of the federal government and years for it to return to the simple form of yore.
And since I don't know where you live, I couldn't possibly comment on the nature of the services and benefits you recieve. I live in New York City. After the events of 9/11, most of the country knows the values of our police force and fire fighters. I doubt even you have the stones to call them "not up to any acceptable standard" to their face. The MTA, though not perfect, is one of the best public transport systems in the world. And it's cheap. The New York Public Library system, again, is excellent. To suggest it is "not up to any acceptable standard" only shows your ignorance of the subject.
Illegal immigrants? *sighs
I take it you mean illegal /Hispanic/ immigrants. Nobody ever gets bent out of shape about illegal Canadians or Germans sucking the country dry.
Again I say to you: if you're going to be racist, at least be brave enough to show your hate and not hide behind euphemisms.
--Jaylemurph
*edited to insert an 'our'*
My only disagreement here would be the "racism" aspect, though I can see how you got there. The illegals burdening an already busy system is a problem in my opinion, be they Canadian or Mexican, or otherwise. And to be fair, I bet there are significantly fewer Germans than Mexicans illegally here in the US.
^^
I agree with you; but I hold the whole concept of "illegal alien" in a little disrepute. It's a fairly recent concept, and far too often is used to disguise flat-out racism, as I suspect it was here.
--Jaylemurph
I agree with you; but I hold the whole concept of "illegal alien" in a little disrepute. It's a fairly recent concept, and far too often is used to disguise flat-out racism, as I suspect it was here.
--Jaylemurph
QUOTE(jaylemurph @ Feb 16 2007, 02:06 PM) [snapback]1546073[/snapback]
^^
I agree with you; but I hold the whole concept of "illegal alien" in a little disrepute. It's a fairly recent concept, and far too often is used to disguise flat-out racism, as I suspect it was here.
--Jaylemurph
I agree with you; but I hold the whole concept of "illegal alien" in a little disrepute. It's a fairly recent concept, and far too often is used to disguise flat-out racism, as I suspect it was here.
--Jaylemurph
I am bothered by the racist accusations this topic has taken.
Someone mentioned the "international banking conspiracy" and almost immediately he was accused of actually meaning the followers of a particular religion.
Then the term "illegal aliens" was accused of meaning solely Hispanics.
I don't agree with much of what is posted here, but when you resort to cheap-shots of racism I bristle.
Who mentioned race originally? Those who are railing against racism!
I'm a 52-year-old white man who lives in Utah. I'm also a Life Member of the National Rifle Association and own approximately 50 firearms. At one time, I lived in northern Idaho.
Now, with only the above facts, you've almost certainly decided that I'm Mormon. And a pot-bellied, drooling Redneck. And a gun-toting maniac. And because I was once in northern Idaho, I'm probably a Neo Nazi too.
I admit to the pot belly, but the rest of your assumptions are absolutely false. I'm actually liberal in some views, and conservative in others.
Be honest with yourself; what did you immediately assume when I told you the above?
Who's the bigot now, eh?
No, I didn't assume anything about you. But you haven't gone around making veiled comments, either.
--Jaylemurph
--Jaylemurph
Actually all you need for mind control are your friends.
Goverments can barely control themselves let alone us.
Now religions actually tatics to get people to believe.
Goverments can barely control themselves let alone us.
Now religions actually tatics to get people to believe.
QUOTE(jaylemurph @ Feb 15 2007, 02:52 AM) [snapback]1543708[/snapback]
I don't know: I personally value the police, the firemen, public transport, libraries, schools, hospitals, museums, federal regulation of airspace, interstate highways, state parks, national parks, public assistance, and the army.
--Jaylemurph
--Jaylemurph
Well you shouldn't. They're out to get you.
QUOTE(patriot5 @ Feb 16 2007, 10:00 AM) [snapback]1545705[/snapback]
What outrageous conspiracy claims? Your government, not mine, has been stealing from you and wasting all that they steal, notwithstanding what they provide for themselves. The socalled benefits and services that you state they provide are not up to any acceptable standard. Also, how do you explain how those benefits and services are being provided to illegal immigrants? We have people in this country that are undernourished and unemployed and they desire both but YOUR government services are not being provided to them. You had better awaken and start reading many of the great articles that are available on the internet and maybe, just maybe, the fog will be diminished from your mind!
Remember that their are now legions of people paid to come on these forums and incessantly scream "tin-foil hat!" . "anti-semite!"
at anyone and everyone who dares try to call attention to the corruption and outright evil of the global elite.
And then there are sensible people who say the same thing.
Who is this "global elite"? How did they get to control us all? When did they do it? Why would they go to the trouble?
--Jaylemurph
Who is this "global elite"? How did they get to control us all? When did they do it? Why would they go to the trouble?
--Jaylemurph
QUOTE(jaylemurph @ Feb 18 2007, 12:23 PM) [snapback]1548307[/snapback]
And then there are sensible people who say the same thing.
Who is this "global elite"? How did they get to control us all? When did they do it? Why would they go to the trouble?
--Jaylemurph
Who is this "global elite"? How did they get to control us all? When did they do it? Why would they go to the trouble?
--Jaylemurph
I suggest you study up on the Bilderburg group. Then look up the "Logan Act". That should answer a good many of your questions.
The Logan Act is an American law dating back to the federal period that forbids private individuals from negotiating with foreign governments.
The Bliderbergers are an international group of mostly white, mostly rich people.
You're going to have connect more dots to make me think they control the world. It seems more likely the group discusses the problems of the uber-rich, like Provok'd Wives and Lying Valets.
--Jaylemurph
The Bliderbergers are an international group of mostly white, mostly rich people.
You're going to have connect more dots to make me think they control the world. It seems more likely the group discusses the problems of the uber-rich, like Provok'd Wives and Lying Valets.
--Jaylemurph
QUOTE(jaylemurph @ Feb 18 2007, 10:40 PM) [snapback]1548973[/snapback]
The Logan Act is an American law dating back to the federal period that forbids private individuals from negotiating with foreign governments.
Not sure what you mean by private individuals, it's actually any citizen of the US trying to influence governments or any officers of foreign governments. Here is the actual law:
QUOTEAny citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
Source
QUOTE(jaylemurph @ Feb 18 2007, 10:40 PM) [snapback]1548973[/snapback]
You're going to have connect more dots to make me think they control the world. It seems more likely the group discusses the problems of the uber-rich, like Provok'd Wives and Lying Valets.
I'm not really trying to say they "control the world". The world is a large place. But I do believe they are being allowed more influence than even the US laws permit.
Do you really believe they gather all the richest and most powerful people in the world to talk about valets? Then refuse to discuss the meetings? They must be truly frightened of their valets...
Maybe their intentions are good, but my opinion is that any large scale discussion of world issues should be held in a public forum such as the UN. Hiding away and refusing to disclose anything is suspect, and at least in the US it's illegal... unless of course they're talking about their valets. If you believe that, I'll be glad to sell you some real estate on the moon.
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Not sure what you mean by private individuals, it's actually any citizen of the US trying to influence governments or any officers of foreign governments. Here is the actual law:
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I'm not really trying to say they "control the world". The world is a large place. But I do believe they are being allowed more influence than even the US laws permit.
Do you really believe they gather all the richest and most powerful people in the world to talk about valets? Then refuse to discuss the meetings? They must be truly frightened of their valets...
Maybe their intentions are good, but my opinion is that any large scale discussion of world issues should be held in a public forum such as the UN. Hiding away and refusing to disclose anything is suspect, and at least in the US it's illegal... unless of course they're talking about their valets. If you believe that, I'll be glad to sell you some real estate on the moon.
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I'm not really trying to say they "control the world". The world is a large place. But I do believe they are being allowed more influence than even the US laws permit.
Do you really believe they gather all the richest and most powerful people in the world to talk about valets? Then refuse to discuss the meetings? They must be truly frightened of their valets...
Maybe their intentions are good, but my opinion is that any large scale discussion of world issues should be held in a public forum such as the UN. Hiding away and refusing to disclose anything is suspect, and at least in the US it's illegal... unless of course they're talking about their valets. If you believe that, I'll be glad to sell you some real estate on the moon.
Do I really believe they gather all the richest and most powerful people in the world to talk about valets? Well I don't know. If Sir P G Wodehouse gave an accurate portrayal, then yes, frequently!
Why should they discuss the meetings? Does people's curiosity outweigh their right to privacy?
I refuse to disclose all sorts of stuff, all the time, which is almost beside the point since most of the Bilderbergers aren't American. Other than the fact you aren't privy to their meetings, what about them makes them sinister? I belong to a group called LMDA; you probably don't go to our annual meetings or know what we talk about: are we sinister? Are we planning to control the world?
--Jaylemurph
PS: We aren't
QUOTE(jaylemurph @ Feb 19 2007, 07:58 PM) [snapback]1550217[/snapback]
Why should they discuss the meetings? Does people's curiosity outweigh their right to privacy?
If the Americans involved are breaking the law, yes indeedy! Not only logic, but past members statements show that they are.
QUOTE(jaylemurph @ Feb 19 2007, 07:58 PM) [snapback]1550217[/snapback]
I refuse to disclose all sorts of stuff, all the time, which is almost beside the point since most of the Bilderbergers aren't American. Other than the fact you aren't privy to their meetings, what about them makes them sinister? I belong to a group called LMDA; you probably don't go to our annual meetings or know what we talk about: are we sinister? Are we planning to control the world?
If your little group consisted of all the worlds most powerful and influential leaders, yes, I would be interested to know what the group's motives were. Stating that "most of the Bilderbergers aren't American" doesn't exempt the Americans that do attend from the law.
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"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years." He went on to explain: "It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supernational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries." -attributed to David Rockefeller at the June 1991 Bilderberger meeting in Baden Baden, Germany (a meeting also attended by then-Governor Bill Clinton and by Dan Quayle).
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How, again, do valets fit in for the Bilderburgers "plan for the world"?
I'm willing to concede your point that this many powerful people deserve to be watched (if not regarded with out and out suspicion), but they you have to admit they've never /done/ anything sus...
--Jaylemurph
PS: Have you never seen Jeeves and Wooster or read Wodehouse? Valets control everything.
--Jaylemurph
PS: Have you never seen Jeeves and Wooster or read Wodehouse? Valets control everything.
QUOTE(jaylemurph @ Feb 20 2007, 08:20 PM) [snapback]1551836[/snapback]
but they you have to admit they've never /done/ anything sus...
I'm sorry, not sure if you mean "they've never done anything to us"? I'll assume you do and take the risk.
I'm just concerned they're influencing policy too much, and who knows how. Dissolving the group wouldn't erase the problem entirely, the members could still meet in splintered groups, but at least the authorities and media would be more aware of what to watch for.QUOTE(jaylemurph @ Feb 20 2007, 08:20 PM) [snapback]1551836[/snapback]
PS: Have you never seen Jeeves and Wooster or read Wodehouse? Valets control everything.
Nope. Is this something I need to add to my next list of things to buy off Amazon? Or will I end up re-selling it on ebay?
"Sus" as in "suspect"... It's an adjectival form of the verbal phrase "suss out" (http://www.allwords.com/word-sus.html ).
I think we're just on two sides of the same gap. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt of being innocuous; you hold them to accountability. Surely society is the balance of the two views?
--Jaylemurph
PS: I'm sure you can get a used copy of a Wodehouse book for pennies on the dollar. Spend it.
I think we're just on two sides of the same gap. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt of being innocuous; you hold them to accountability. Surely society is the balance of the two views?
--Jaylemurph
PS: I'm sure you can get a used copy of a Wodehouse book for pennies on the dollar. Spend it.
QUOTE(jaylemurph @ Feb 20 2007, 09:25 PM) [snapback]1551928[/snapback]
"Sus" as in "suspect"... It's an adjectival form of the verbal phrase "suss out" (http://www.allwords.com/word-sus.html ).
Thinking is not my strong suit tonight. Assuming only made one out of me that time.
QUOTE(jaylemurph @ Feb 20 2007, 09:25 PM) [snapback]1551928[/snapback]
I think we're just on two sides of the same gap. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt of being innocuous; you hold them to accountability. Surely society is the balance of the two views?
Yep, and I think the best answer would be something like a governmental audit of the group, at least as long as Americans are attending. Not sure if there is any potential law breaking anywhere else.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, though some people on the other end may see me as one. But I do believe all of these theories grow from some sources that can be verified. They just seem to grow out of proportion and get distorted. The Bilderbergers are one of these sources that I do see as being a problem. I don't claim to know their intentions, but I do think they should be known on a larger scale. Even if I don't find out what they discuss, but the authorities were to check them out and say it's ok for the Presidents and others to attend, I'd be good with that and I think most others would be as well. The American Government can be very good at discretion when it serves them, and imagine they could apply this to the Bilderberg situation.
QUOTE(jaylemurph @ Feb 20 2007, 09:25 PM) [snapback]1551928[/snapback]
PS: I'm sure you can get a used copy of a Wodehouse book for pennies on the dollar. Spend it.
Thanks for the tip, I'll ask the lady at the bookstore downtown to keep an eye open. No shipping and I like to keep my money local anyway.
QUOTE(Episteme @ Feb 20 2007, 10:10 PM) [snapback]1551984[/snapback]
Thinking is not my strong suit tonight. Assuming only made one out of me that time.
Yep, and I think the best answer would be something like a governmental audit of the group, at least as long as Americans are attending. Not sure if there is any potential law breaking anywhere else.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, though some people on the other end may see me as one. But I do believe all of these theories grow from some sources that can be verified. They just seem to grow out of proportion and get distorted. The Bilderbergers are one of these sources that I do see as being a problem. I don't claim to know their intentions, but I do think they should be known on a larger scale. Even if I don't find out what they discuss, but the authorities were to check them out and say it's ok for the Presidents and others to attend, I'd be good with that and I think most others would be as well. The American Government can be very good at discretion when it serves them, and imagine they could apply this to the Bilderberg situation.
Thanks for the tip, I'll ask the lady at the bookstore downtown to keep an eye open. No shipping and I like to keep my money local anyway.
Yep, and I think the best answer would be something like a governmental audit of the group, at least as long as Americans are attending. Not sure if there is any potential law breaking anywhere else.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, though some people on the other end may see me as one. But I do believe all of these theories grow from some sources that can be verified. They just seem to grow out of proportion and get distorted. The Bilderbergers are one of these sources that I do see as being a problem. I don't claim to know their intentions, but I do think they should be known on a larger scale. Even if I don't find out what they discuss, but the authorities were to check them out and say it's ok for the Presidents and others to attend, I'd be good with that and I think most others would be as well. The American Government can be very good at discretion when it serves them, and imagine they could apply this to the Bilderberg situation.
Thanks for the tip, I'll ask the lady at the bookstore downtown to keep an eye open. No shipping and I like to keep my money local anyway.
I know Bush, Sr and Clinton are Bilderbergers, but has a sitting president ever attended a Bilderberg meeting?
--Jaylemurph
PS: Good for you for using local bookstores. New York City has killed two more in the past few weeks
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