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elvismay
Transcript from Anderson Cooper 360 2/14/07



For reporters, Jose Luis De Jesus could seem like a godsend, the kind of character who makes great copy, a man who literally believes he's a godsend, as in the second coming of Jesus Christ.

His followers consider him the messiah. His detractors call him a cult leader and a danger. He claims millions of disciples worldwide, and some are willing to express their devotion in unorthodox ways.

Here's CNN's John Zarrella.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JOHN ZARRELLA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In a tattoo parlor on trendy South Beach...

JOANN DE JESUS, DAUGHTER OF JOSE LUIS DE JESUS: You did the 666 really big?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

ZARRELLA: ... sat the daughter of the man who claims to be God.

JOANNA DE JESUS: He's God. He's here to teach us that we should reign in life, that there is no sin. And today, we're honoring him with the symbol.

ZARRELLA: Joann De Jesus is one of several dozen members of a religious sect called Crecienda en Gracia, or Growing in Grace. They were tattooed on their arms, ankles, even their necks with 666, the biblical sign of the antichrist. Why? Because their spiritual leader says he is the antichrist, not the embodiment of evil but rather the second coming.

JOSE DE JESUS: Six-six-six, antichrist means do not put your eyes on Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Put it in Jesus after the cross.

ZARRELLA (on camera): And that's you?

JOSE DE JESUS: That's me.

ZARRELLA (voice-over): And he says the word "antichrist" is a bad translation of a word that actually means the new Christ, the second coming.

Puerto Rican born, Jose Luis De Jesus Miranda founded the sect 20 years ago in a warehouse outside Miami.

JOSE DE JESUS: You receive it, you accept it, you confess it and it's done unto you.

ZARRELLA: The charismatic 61-year-old De Jesus claims millions of followers, most in Latin America. His sect does have hundreds of churches, cable TV stations and says it brought in $1.4 million in donations last year. And he boasts of a rapidly growing presence in the United States.

In an interview with us in September, he declared...

JOSE DE JESUS: I do greater things than Jesus of Nazareth. Much greater.

ZARRELLA: Now, sporting his new tattoos...

JOSE DE JESUS: Seis-seis-seis. Triple. Huh?

ZARRELLA: De Jesus says those expecting the second coming of Christ on a cloud with angels have misinterpreted what Jesus himself said.

JOSE DE JESUS: He said it. You won't see me anymore, because he will come in another body, which is me.

PROF. DANIEL ALVAREZ, RELIGION EXPERT: He's in their heads. He's inside the heads of those people.

ZARRELLA: De Jesus is dangerous, says religion professor Daniel Alvarez, because he believes he's God.

ALVAREZ: These megalomaniacal moves are the one that are very disturbing, because it shows that he does believe his own hype and he's capable of saying to his members, "Go tattoo 666 on your arm." I believe he's also capable of asking his church members to do even something more dramatic than that.

ZARRELLA: De Jesus laughs at the implication.

JOSE DE JESUS: They always say those things. They're going to keep waiting for me to kill everybody, you know. ZARRELLA (on camera): Right.

JOSE DE JESUS: I'm giving life to people.

ZARRELLA (voice-over): De Jesus is referring to the suicide death of more than 900 killed in the so-called Jonestown Massacre nearly 30 years ago. But he says mass suicide would never happen with his followers.

JOANN DE JESUS: If somebody tells us, listen, drink some Kool- Aid and then we'll go to heaven, that's not true. We are already in heavenly places.

ZARRELLA: De Jesus preaches that heaven can be found here on earth simply by following him. There's no sin and there is no hell. And that's part of why he's attracting so many followers.

But marking your body with 666 seems an unusual way to show you're a Christian, even unnerving the tattoo artist.

(on camera) I see you wearing a cross.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Protection.

ZARRELLA: John Zarrella, CNN, Miami Beach.

(END VIDEOTAPE)



Amazing Videos of this startling person on his English webpage

http://www.cegenglish.com/
EmpressStarXVII
How....odd >_>
Fluffybunny
Odd seems to be an understatement... blink.gif
Adam2006
666 is not the mark of the devil or the Anti christ. It is infact 616. How do i know this? Its in a book called: 'The book of General ignorance' by the TV show QI.

I will copy what it says: (forgive any typo's)

QUOTE

616
For 2,000 years, 666 has been the symbol of the dreaded Anti-Christ, who will come to rule the world before the Last Judgement. For many it's an unlucky number: even the European Parliment leaves seat no. 666 vacant.
The number is from Revelation, the last and strangest book in the Bible: 'Let him that hath understanding count the nuber of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundered threescore and six.'
But it's a wrong number. In 2005, a new translation of the earliest known copy of the Book of Revelation clearly shows it to be 616 not 666. The 1,700-year-old papyrus was recovered from the rubbish dumps of the city of Oxyyrhynchus in Egypt and deciphered by a palaeographical research team from the University of Birmingham led by Professor David Parker.
If the new number is correct, it will not amuse those who have just spent a small fortune avoiding the old one. In 2003, US highway 666 - known as 'The Highway of the Beast'- was renamed Highway 491. The Moscow Transport Department will be even less amused. In 1999, they picked a new number for the jinxed 666 bus route. It was 616.
The controversy has been around since the second century AD. A version of the Bible citing the Number of the Beast as 616 was castigated by St Iranaeus of Lyon (c. 130-200) as 'erroneous and spurious'. Karl Marx's friend Friedrich Engels analysed the Bible in his book On Religion (1883). He too calculated the number as 616, not 666.
Revelation was the first book of the New Testament to be written ad it is full of number puzzles. Each of the twnty-two letters of the Hebrew alphabet has a corresponding number, so that any number can also be read as a word.
Both Parker and Engels argue that the Book of Revelation disguise its message. The Number of the Beast (whatever that may be) refers to either Caligula or Nero, the hated oppressors of the early Christains, not to some imaginary bogey-man.
The fear of the number 666 is known as Hexakosiohexkontahexaphobia. The fear of the number 616 (you read it here first) is Hexakosiodefahexaphobia.
The numbers on a roulette wheel added together come to 666.


yes.gif
chaoszerg
QUOTE(Fluffybunny @ Feb 15 2007, 11:54 AM) [snapback]1544090[/snapback]
Odd seems to be an understatement... blink.gif



You can say that again yes.gif .........oh wait....you did laugh.gif



Nova Scotia
Mathew 24 ; 4-5 And Jesus Answered and said to them < TAKE heed that no man decieve you .

For many shall come in my name saying I am CHRIST and shall decieve many .


Mathew 24 ;23-24 tHEN IF ANY MAN SHALL SAY UNTO YOU <LO HERE IS CHRIST or there believe it not .For there shall arise false Christ ,and false prophets and shall shew great signs and wonders : insomuch that if it were possible ,they shall decieve the very elect .


EmpressStarXVII
I wonder how we'll know Jesus is the real Jesus when he comes back *scratches chin*.
Atheist God
QUOTE(EmpressStarXVII @ Feb 15 2007, 08:15 AM) [snapback]1544170[/snapback]
I wonder how we'll know Jesus is the real Jesus when he comes back *scratches chin*.


Personally I do not beleive that the Christ Jesus will return or that when he was alive he had any powers.

Jesus was a revolutionary it was his ideals that toppled the romans and rallied the people to his cause after his death. Someone like Jesus today who could gain influence by mere word of mouth alone would likely have some of the most powerful words ever spoken.

A revolutionary who can help us settle our differences peacefully, end wars and topple empires with nothing more then simply speaking to people. This man or woman may have passed us by long ago. While we are focused on things like material possessions and worrying about pleasing Gods that have never shown themselves to us the world slowly decays. We need this revolutionary figure ASAP who can get that light bulb to go off above peoples heads.

This is a dark time for humanity and while it would be nice to blame an anti-christ we can only blame ourselves for our problems.

Personally I am an atheist/humanist, I put my faith in humanity to be able to accomplish great thing and perhaps someday become benevolent. While we humans do some pretty stupid things it's never to late to change. We could really use a revolutionary right about now to help wake people up so we can accomplish greatness.
toby tyler
QUOTE(elvismay @ Feb 15 2007, 06:23 AM) [snapback]1544074[/snapback]
Transcript from Anderson Cooper 360 2/14/07
For reporters, Jose Luis De Jesus could seem like a godsend, the kind of character who makes great copy, a man who literally believes he's a godsend, as in the second coming of Jesus Christ.

His followers consider him the messiah. His detractors call him a cult leader and a danger. He claims millions of disciples worldwide, and some are willing to express their devotion in unorthodox ways.

Here's CNN's John Zarrella.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JOHN ZARRELLA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In a tattoo parlor on trendy South Beach...

JOANN DE JESUS, DAUGHTER OF JOSE LUIS DE JESUS: You did the 666 really big?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

ZARRELLA: ... sat the daughter of the man who claims to be God.

JOANNA DE JESUS: He's God. He's here to teach us that we should reign in life, that there is no sin. And today, we're honoring him with the symbol.

ZARRELLA: Joann De Jesus is one of several dozen members of a religious sect called Crecienda en Gracia, or Growing in Grace. They were tattooed on their arms, ankles, even their necks with 666, the biblical sign of the antichrist. Why? Because their spiritual leader says he is the antichrist, not the embodiment of evil but rather the second coming.

JOSE DE JESUS: Six-six-six, antichrist means do not put your eyes on Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Put it in Jesus after the cross.

ZARRELLA (on camera): And that's you?

JOSE DE JESUS: That's me.

ZARRELLA (voice-over): And he says the word "antichrist" is a bad translation of a word that actually means the new Christ, the second coming.

Puerto Rican born, Jose Luis De Jesus Miranda founded the sect 20 years ago in a warehouse outside Miami.

JOSE DE JESUS: You receive it, you accept it, you confess it and it's done unto you.

ZARRELLA: The charismatic 61-year-old De Jesus claims millions of followers, most in Latin America. His sect does have hundreds of churches, cable TV stations and says it brought in $1.4 million in donations last year. And he boasts of a rapidly growing presence in the United States.

In an interview with us in September, he declared...

JOSE DE JESUS: I do greater things than Jesus of Nazareth. Much greater.

ZARRELLA: Now, sporting his new tattoos...

JOSE DE JESUS: Seis-seis-seis. Triple. Huh?

ZARRELLA: De Jesus says those expecting the second coming of Christ on a cloud with angels have misinterpreted what Jesus himself said.

JOSE DE JESUS: He said it. You won't see me anymore, because he will come in another body, which is me.

PROF. DANIEL ALVAREZ, RELIGION EXPERT: He's in their heads. He's inside the heads of those people.

ZARRELLA: De Jesus is dangerous, says religion professor Daniel Alvarez, because he believes he's God.

ALVAREZ: These megalomaniacal moves are the one that are very disturbing, because it shows that he does believe his own hype and he's capable of saying to his members, "Go tattoo 666 on your arm." I believe he's also capable of asking his church members to do even something more dramatic than that.

ZARRELLA: De Jesus laughs at the implication.

JOSE DE JESUS: They always say those things. They're going to keep waiting for me to kill everybody, you know. ZARRELLA (on camera): Right.

JOSE DE JESUS: I'm giving life to people.

ZARRELLA (voice-over): De Jesus is referring to the suicide death of more than 900 killed in the so-called Jonestown Massacre nearly 30 years ago. But he says mass suicide would never happen with his followers.

JOANN DE JESUS: If somebody tells us, listen, drink some Kool- Aid and then we'll go to heaven, that's not true. We are already in heavenly places.

ZARRELLA: De Jesus preaches that heaven can be found here on earth simply by following him. There's no sin and there is no hell. And that's part of why he's attracting so many followers.

But marking your body with 666 seems an unusual way to show you're a Christian, even unnerving the tattoo artist.

(on camera) I see you wearing a cross.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Protection.

ZARRELLA: John Zarrella, CNN, Miami Beach.

(END VIDEOTAPE)
Amazing Videos of this startling person on his English webpage

http://www.cegenglish.com/



i cant even imagine him being on our tv's saying he is jesus. that really scares me. shows how close we are.
toby tyler
QUOTE(EmpressStarXVII @ Feb 15 2007, 09:15 AM) [snapback]1544170[/snapback]
I wonder how we'll know Jesus is the real Jesus when he comes back *scratches chin*.



the bible says that when someones says jesus is around the corner, or jesus is in another town dont go. when jesus returns all the world will see him and no one will have to tell you.
RadicalGnostic
How bizarre to me actually see a Christian embrace the traditional emblems of the AntiChrist and call himself the Second Coming of Christ!

I personally don't have issues with any numbers, but this gentleman's people are tatooing the numbers and emblems on themselves. I'm used to hearing Bible-junkies (my term, my opinion) quote an OT proscription of tattooing. Of course, I think this was a practical way making the Jewish people even more unique; they were not allowed to tattoo themselves with the names of the dead, as the pagans were said to.

Then again, those who try to reconcile all the various Bible stories in OT and NT all together do come up with some bizarre (to me) ideas. Some of my own ideas are bizarre to others, I'm sure. But this preacher guy takes the prize; throw the Book at him because he isn't making sense to many Christians.

Peace,

RadicalGnostic
Nova Scotia
QUOTE(EmpressStarXVII @ Feb 15 2007, 02:15 PM) [snapback]1544170[/snapback]
I wonder how we'll know Jesus is the real Jesus when he comes back *scratches chin*.



Well if you are a Christian and you Over Come he will Change you to a immortal Being .

If you are just a carnal minded man and you live into the kingdom of God . You will know its him as he will conquer the whole earth and take complete control .


if He can't conquere the whole earth in just a few short hours or a day at the most DON"T BELEAVE ITS CHRIST .
elvismay
QUOTE(Nova Scotia @ Feb 17 2007, 09:37 PM) [snapback]1547477[/snapback]
Well if you are a Christian and you Over Come he will Change you to a immortal Being .

If you are just a carnal minded man and you live into the kingdom of God . You will know its him as he will conquer the whole earth and take complete control .
if He can't conquere the whole earth in just a few short hours or a day at the most DON"T BELEAVE ITS CHRIST .


New News on the site. Scary scary stuff...this should be getting more attention.
Ashley-Star*Child
Is this guy for real? I can't stop laughing sorry. LOL
GoddessWhispers
And he's a very rich con-man to. He examples what it means to be a Shepard, at the head of a flock of incredibly gullible and desperate sheep. All bearing the brand, in his honor, 666. This "Antichrist" is one man that gives religion his bad name. I watched that show, featuring the interview with him and his marks. An ex-con wearing a diamond encrusted Rolex. Now that's an Atheist with a scam that pays! geek.gif
ND-DAVE
This is just a delusional man. He isnt even The AntiChrist. He is nothing but a con man who will taste the fruits of his ways when Christ does come. I like the passage in Revelation that states such as he will not feel the fires of hell but will be crushed in the wine press of the Lord and their blood shall be slung across the world like rain. Its a little gorry but I think it is funny that such men could know the bible word for word and ignore such a passage without even breaking a sweat! He must be really full of himself!

Please Explain
My 35 years prophesy is coming.
Watch out for the coming of jesus christ who will dethrone that man of 666.
And this jesus christ is the real A-C, he will do wonder using modern technology.
And another 666 will arise to battle the fake jesus christ...and the end is going near.
GoddessWhispers
I don't think he's delusional in so much as he's a very aware liar and con-man, that is exploiting the delusional people that believe his lies and feed his con.

If anyone watched the Primetime shows coverage of this fraud, titled "Jesus of suburbia", you would have seen his "credentials" taken apart, by jesus himself. He had a certificate from a divinity college displayed in his office. However, the reporter asked him about that and jesus said it was a fake. Claiming no one ever taught him anything. That means this certificate is a fraud, but it's displayed to compel trust from those that see it and it's intended to credit him with having an education in religious studies.

He's a liar and he admits it on that show. But, if you believe them, he has at least two people in his congregation (a married couple) that were allegedly millionaires at one time. Having gifted jesus with 2 million dollars, they now live in a small apartment. Now usually Primetime investigates claims such as that, but there was no mention of whether or not this couple had at one time been rich. Jesus allegedly makes only 200 thousand a year, per his daughter/accountant. The rest of his riches are gifts from his followers.

So really, Dejesus , while a bold conman and someone that preaches the lazy mans path to salvation, is a parasite feeding off of the delusions of ignorant desperate people. He'll slip up , because he's a liar and a glutton, and then all those tattoo's everyone has on their bodies will look as ugly as they do now, when they remind them they were stupid and desperate to see jesus in an ex-con.

It's a riot. If I had no conscience, as is his case, I'd be rich to. innocent.gif And I could sleep at night in the best bed gullible money could buy.
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