Daughter of the Nine Moons
Feb 15 2007, 04:01 PM
My little guy (6 1/2) is fascinated with fossils and dinosaurs. lol I think one of his first phrases was "Triassic-Jurassic extinction event"....ok, I kid

I want to take him fossil hunting locally (Southern Ontario) so he can find his own fossil. He already collects rocks pretending that they are fossils so what I would like to know is does anybody have any suggestions on how we can start, what we can look for?
Shaftsbury
Feb 15 2007, 05:21 PM
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My little guy (6 1/2) is fascinated with fossils and dinosaurs. lol I think one of his first phrases was "Triassic-Jurassic extinction event"....ok, I kid

I want to take him fossil hunting locally (Southern Ontario) so he can find his own fossil. He already collects rocks pretending that they are fossils so what I would like to know is does anybody have any suggestions on how we can start, what we can look for?
I think the best advice I could give would be to try and contact a local fossil or mineral club, I'm sure they would be more than happy to give some advice on were and what to look for.

I googled a couple of links that may help:
http://www.element51.com/lgms.htmhttp://www.ontariominerals.com/
Daughter of the Nine Moons
Feb 15 2007, 05:32 PM
Sweet! I just had a peek and
http://www.ontariominerals.com/ seems especially promising.
Shaftsbury
Feb 15 2007, 06:12 PM
As a general rule of thumb, you should look for places where the subsurface layers are exposed like quarries, riverbanks, road/railroad cuttings, etc. But it really depends on your local geology and the type of fossils you are looking for, incidently kids have pretty keen eyesight and it's etirely possible that some of those "rocks" he's already picked up are in fact fossils.

Have a really close look at them before you pass them over, I've been caught once or twice. hehe
Daughter of the Nine Moons
Feb 15 2007, 06:59 PM
lol...I will but thats a lot of rocks.
Incidently we are in the Greater Toronto Area and all the rocks are from either local parks, beaches or ravines.
(Psst...we want a trillobyte)
angrycrustacean
Feb 15 2007, 07:11 PM
Back when I was around that age I was big into dinos/fossils too. I once had really good luck on a hill covered with fallen shale and sandstone, managed to find a fossilized fern leaf as well as a small trilobite. I'd look for a situation like that, if possible. It's tedious searching, but it's probably the easiest way for an amatuer collector.
Also bear in mind that Canada has some weird laws about fossils...keeping a small one for yourself is okay and will probably go unnoticed, but anything big, should you find it, has to be reported I believe.
Shaftsbury
Feb 15 2007, 07:36 PM
It all depends on what it is and where it is. It is definitely against the law ( at least in Alberta ) to "dig" for fossils. You can pick them up off the surface of the ground, but if you require a tool to pry or dig them out that requires a permit which don't normally get issued to private collectors.
Transporting of fossils from province to province is strictly regulated as is "ownership" and the selling of fossils. Definitely check your provincial regulations if you get into serious collecting.
SilverCougar
Feb 15 2007, 08:35 PM
Though honestly, if all else fails, trillobyte are easy and cheap to buy at the right places... If you can't go find one without breaking any laws.. You can always maybe
buy one secretly and when you guys go fossil ground hunting.. place it on the ground when he's not looking and then try to get him to discover it.
Yes, it can be seen as dishonest to your kid.. however, if it'll keep you out of trouble with the law, and you get to see the excitment on his face when he.. finds.. a fossle like that.. it's worth it. *chuckles*
speshall mareens
Feb 16 2007, 01:31 AM
or you could take i nice family vacation to the dinosaur national monumaennt in colorado, or the bad lands, i think they take you on fossil hunts.
Daughter of the Nine Moons
Feb 16 2007, 03:48 PM
Thanks for all the great ideas. lol @ SC
Theres a few spots locally that I have in mind however I will have to wait till the white stuff disappears
Shaftsbury you said ...
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Have a really close look at them before you pass them over, I've been caught once or twice.
Can I ask what kind of fossils you've found?
Shaftsbury
Feb 16 2007, 07:47 PM
Well I've been picking up stuff off the ground for over forty years now so I can say that I have found a good range of fossils

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Everything from fossil wood, leaves, small marine creatures (Crinoid sections) up to an almost complete juvenile Hadrosaur that the museum in Drumheller excavated a few years ago. About the only type I haven't found are Trilobites and such because I do most of my prospecting away from the mountains where they are found.
An inside joke in my family.....once when a relative was helping me pack during a move, he picked up a rather heavy box from the floor and remarked..."what have you got in here rocks?" I just smiled and said "yup". Funny he never offered to help me move again

Here's a couple of photo's of some fossils I collected that are now in the Royal Tyrrell Museum in Drumheller, Alberta.
Click to view attachmentClick to view attachmentThe first photo is of some long bones from I believe the foot of a small meat eater. They were generally classified as belonging to a "Saurornithoidid".
The second photo is of some foot bones of a large meat eater, probably an Albertosaurus.
Daughter of the Nine Moons
Feb 16 2007, 08:16 PM
Wow! that is pretty cool. Do you do this as a hobby or professionally?
Adam2006
Feb 16 2007, 08:29 PM
I good place i know, though it is rather far, is a place called
Lyme Regis on the South coast of England. I went there and found loads of fossils, big and small. I think you can pretty much take what you want, we did. I know its far but i just wanted to tell you about it.
Eu_citzen
Feb 16 2007, 08:33 PM
I will get some pics, I also got some finds of fossils.
Yes sandstone is/can be rewarding even in sweden, as it once was in water. It builds up 'layers', often such minerals/stones that are made of layers can be rewarding.
And Clubs are great ways to learn something.
as someone said quarries/mines are good places to look for, I often go to the beach where I know there is sandstone then I let the hammer and/or chisel talk..
Oh, local people maybe helpful, as they often know the area better then you.
BUT BRING A HAMMER AND CHISEL, if you go to an old mine/quarry might still be something 'fun' there.
Now I'll go and colletc some pics..
Shaftsbury
Feb 16 2007, 09:24 PM
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Wow! that is pretty cool. Do you do this as a hobby or professionally?
Just one of my many hobbies, unfortunately (or fortunately if you ask my wife) I don't have as much time as I used to for it.
Eu_citzen
Feb 16 2007, 09:33 PM
Here are some of my collection.
Daughter of the Nine Moons
Feb 16 2007, 11:37 PM
Great pictures! Would you mind giving a brief description just so we know what we're looking at?
speshall mareens
Feb 17 2007, 03:06 AM
things that don't look like they belong there, unusual roundness, but i wouldn't know. i have always wanted to got, but never have, i have found them though in the sandstone outcroppings and such, theres alot of it in this part if wisconsin, but it only contains small snails and such things of that nature
Eu_citzen
Feb 17 2007, 11:34 AM
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Great pictures! Would you mind giving a brief description just so we know what we're looking at?
Sure:
Picture nr 1 is Worm borrows I think, I am not completly sure about that one yet..
nr 2 is an opalized Ammonite
nr 3 is an belemite in sandstone
nr 4 is also an belemite
nr 5 is part of a bone
nr 6 is Bones+ a mussel (and a flshlight

)
speshall mareens
Feb 17 2007, 02:01 PM
#'s 3/4 look the same
Eu_citzen
Feb 17 2007, 06:55 PM
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#'s 3/4 look the same
Oh, I got the wrong pic on #4..
Here you go, thats also a Belemite.
speshall mareens
Feb 17 2007, 09:28 PM
okay. thats made my life complete
Shaftsbury
Feb 19 2007, 10:37 PM
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Sure:
Picture nr 1 is Worm borrows I think, I am not completly sure about that one yet..
nr 2 is an opalized Ammonite
nr 3 is an belemite in sandstone
nr 4 is also an belemite
nr 5 is part of a bone
nr 6 is Bones+ a mussel (and a flshlight

)
I'm not so sure those are bones on #6, those look very similar to burrow casts.
speshall mareens
Feb 20 2007, 10:12 PM
yeah, tahts possible, but then agian, your more expirienced then i, so...
frogfish
Feb 21 2007, 04:28 PM
Have you ever taken him to Dinosaur National Monument in Alberta? I am sure he would love it!
Shaftsbury
Feb 21 2007, 05:14 PM
pssst.............I think you mean Dinosaur Provincial Park in Alberta, I wish Dinosaur Monument was in Alberta but I think the people in Utah/Colorado might get a bit miffed about it.
frogfish
Feb 21 2007, 05:34 PM
Nice catch. Well, they both lay between the same meridians. I got that much right
speshall mareens
Feb 22 2007, 01:28 AM
same continent, and i think time zone too, but yeah, thats in colorado and someother stae, i already had the suggestion, same with the blackhills or badlands in one of the dakotas, i can't remember
Daughter of the Nine Moons
Mar 28 2007, 06:04 PM
I haven't forgotten about this thread but with snow on the ground ...you know. Ok I had a look at some of his rocks and one is definately a fossil. Not sure where he got it however it was most probably brought back by his grandparents from Eastern Canada as it looks like sea coral shaped like a mushroom cap. I will post a pic when I can
Shaftsbury
Mar 28 2007, 09:14 PM
It's amazing what kids pick up, I was talking to an interpreter at Dinosaur Provincial Park a few years back and she said that most of the new finds that are made by visitors to the park are by children, simply because they have keener eyesight and are closer to the ground.
Hmmm makes sense to me, (plus the fact that they cover the hills like ants at a picnic)
draconic chronicler
Mar 31 2007, 01:06 PM
This is my best fossil, an over four foot long marine crocodile skull. The whole creature may have been over 30 feet long. It was found in Morocco.
My next best is the lower jaw of a mosasaur. Also have the fossil skull of a large turtle and some spinosaur and other dino teeth. This is all Cretaeous stuff from the same trip.
I found some Jurassic dino bones in Colorado last year recently, but nothing very exciting.
Shaftsbury
Apr 2 2007, 06:27 PM
Nice ! how hard is that matrix?
Hehe I made the mistake of giving my son a bone to take in for "show and tell" at school.
Now I have to give a talk at his kindergarden tommorrow and wednesday.

Should be fun.
draconic chronicler
Apr 4 2007, 02:23 AM
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Nice ! how hard is that matrix?
Hehe I made the mistake of giving my son a bone to take in for "show and tell" at school.
Now I have to give a talk at his kindergarden tommorrow and wednesday.

Should be fun.

It is some very tough stuff. Many hours ahead of slow picking away with dental picks.
Daughter of the Nine Moons
May 20 2007, 02:58 PM
Shaftsbury
May 22 2007, 04:33 PM
The first picture looks like it bears a shell impression?, the lighter colored rock looks like a nice bit of coral

Edit: Couldn't find a real good picture but check out the image in the upper right of the following page.
http://www.oum.ox.ac.uk/thezone/fossils/inverts/coral.htm
Daughter of the Nine Moons
May 23 2007, 01:54 AM

the first 5 images are of the same rock, lol...I should have guessed coral. Knowing nothing about coral, is it fossilized coral or just ordinary old coral?
Shaftsbury
May 23 2007, 06:40 PM
OK I can see that now, I guess the color and scale threw me off a bit

I'd say definitely fossil.
If you can find a decent field guide to fossils, you might be able to identify that shell, it has a rather interesting shape to it.
I don't see that many invertebrate fossils to be able to help you out there, perhaps someone else could give it a shot.
Daughter of the Nine Moons
May 23 2007, 06:46 PM
When I get home tonight I will take a picture of the shale (I think) stone from our walk that it came out of. You can clearly see the shells imprint in it
Sea
Aug 17 2007, 12:23 AM
Egypt if he wants to find a mummy
Eu_citzen
Dec 12 2007, 08:28 PM
QUOTE (Shaftsbury @ Feb 19 2007, 11:37 PM)

I'm not so sure those are bones on #6, those look very similar to burrow casts.
Maybe they do but these where hammed out of sandstone, so I'm not sure.
draconic chronicler: thats a nice fossil!
Daughter of the Nine Moons: I'm no fossil expert (amateur geologist lol) but I also say choral thats been exposed to erosion and a mussel (the last one)
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