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Snozzberry
This is it. What we all have been waiting for. Thee diffinitive evidence that ufo's/flying saucers exist. Compliments of NASA. Case closed.

CLICK IT
Mr.Dot
I did not see any flying saucers in that movie.
Snozzberry
QUOTE(ImAlien @ Feb 18 2007, 11:56 AM) [snapback]1548091[/snapback]
I did not see any flying saucers in that movie.


oh I'm so sorry I didn't realize you were blind. next time all post it in brail for ya.
FootBeef
QUOTE(Snozzberry @ Feb 18 2007, 10:28 AM) [snapback]1548066[/snapback]
This is it. What we all have been waiting for. Thee diffinitive evidence that ufo's/flying saucers exist. Compliments of NASA. Case closed.

CLICK IT



Hardly definetive, and hardly evidence. Case closed? Not just yet.
Snozzberry
QUOTE(FootBeef @ Feb 18 2007, 12:04 PM) [snapback]1548094[/snapback]
Hardly definetive, and hardly evidence. Case closed? Not just yet.


ohe contrare, my friend. it is evidence. and pretty good evidence at that. it stands up against the usual debunkery such as....

1. hoaxes- nope, NASA's own videos.

2. airplanes, stars, space debris, --nope. none of that stuff can make the sudden movements like the craft in the video.

its going to be pretty hard to explain away all this footage. and, I said get that d@m screwdriver out a my head!
FootBeef
QUOTE(Snozzberry @ Feb 18 2007, 12:10 PM) [snapback]1548099[/snapback]
ohe contrare, my friend. it is evidence. and pretty good evidence at that. it stands up against the usual debunkery such as....

1. hoaxes- nope, NASA's own videos.

2. airplanes, stars, space debris, --nope. none of that stuff can make the sudden movements like the craft in the video.

its going to be pretty hard to explain away all this footage.



The fact is its still only video, and video can tell us very very little.
Are you an expert in space debris and the movements of stars etc...?
Can you provide any documents whatsoever that support your claims?
If there are any experts that support this claim, are they performing their research subjectivley or are they biased in any way?

Im not here to "explain them away" im just saying grainy videos of balls of light are not hard evidence and will not further any kind of investigation.
MUM24/7
QUOTE(Snozzberry @ Feb 18 2007, 11:00 PM) [snapback]1548093[/snapback]
oh I'm so sorry I didn't realize you were blind. next time all post it in brail for ya.


Even though you tried to be funny, you actually came across a little obnoxious.....Work on it in future....... hmm.gif
Snozzberry
QUOTE(FootBeef @ Feb 18 2007, 12:24 PM) [snapback]1548105[/snapback]
The fact is its still only video, and video can tell us very very little.


I guess there is no need for us to have eyes. because they tell us very little. the fact is seeing tells us a lot. take that underwater video of a giant squid that recently came out for example.


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Are you an expert in space debris and the movements of stars etc...?
You don't need to be an expert to know that stars don't fly in between earth and a NASA camera and move around. I also know that space debris doesn't suddenly stop and change direction when shot at by a beam of light from earth. its basic physics.


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Can you provide any documents whatsoever that support your claims?


why would I need documents? this is a topic about NASA video with ufo's on them. not a topic about documents.


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If there are any experts that support this claim, are they performing their research subjectivley or are they biased in any way?
probably there is somewhere.


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Im not here to "explain them away" im just saying grainy videos of balls of light are not hard evidence and will not further any kind of investigation.


grainy videos of balls of light? a couple maybe, but why ignore the really good ones? take for example the clips that start at about 16 seconds in where a craft suddenly changes direction when some sort of beam is shot at it from earth. how can this possibly be explained??
and also the clips that start at about 39 seconds in and last to about 48 seconds in-- these are very clear images of some sort of craft that are moving in ways ordinary space debris cannot.
also at 1:29 there is a good clip of a ufo that makes a manuever that is impossible for space debris to make.
FootBeef
now im not saying "they are this" and "they are that" im just saying without empirical data theres no way to say what they are. And by documents I mean journals, or any kind of scientific examination.
Videos don't speak for themselves when you have no idea what you're looking at, and you can't say that you know exactly what they are--you just can't.
You can believe that they are extraterrestrial craft but theres no way for you to know for sure.

Videos of giant squid are in a whole other playing field, its not even the same sport. We know for a FACT that they exist, we have empirical evidence that suggests this..namely corpses. With UFOs you have no evidence other than videos, pictures, and eye witnesses--and as far as evidence goes thats bupkis.
Snozzberry
QUOTE(FootBeef @ Feb 18 2007, 01:00 PM) [snapback]1548124[/snapback]
now im not saying "they are this" and "they are that" im just saying without empirical data theres no way to say what they are. And by documents I mean journals, or any kind of scientific examination.
Videos don't speak for themselves when you have no idea what you're looking at, and you can't say that you know exactly what they are--you just can't.
You can believe that they are extraterrestrial craft but theres no way for you to know for sure.

Videos of giant squid are in a whole other playing field, its not even the same sport. We know for a FACT that they exist, we have empirical evidence that suggests this..namely corpses. With UFOs you have no evidence other than videos, pictures, and eye witnesses--and as far as evidence goes thats bupkis.


by eliminating what they cannot be, you can come to conclusions of what they are. I am very confident and believe, in my heart of hearts, that this is the final video that makes all the skeptics on this board finally believe and admit that these are ET craft or our own craft that we built using ET technology.
Unlimited
The debunkers will use the ice crystal theory here....swamp gas wont do for this one!............
DevilDog1985
sleep-paralysis, for sure! grin2.gif
Snozzberry
no, they're temperature inversions and the camera is a pot smoker who has a hidden agenda yes.gif
Devin Dyspepsia
Some of them look almost real but most just seem like flashes of lights from the camera lens.
Mr.Dot
QUOTE(Snozzberry @ Feb 18 2007, 01:00 PM) [snapback]1548093[/snapback]
oh I'm so sorry I didn't realize you were blind. next time all post it in brail for ya.

You assume the flying dots to be saucers? hmm.gif crackpot
Griffon
I just wanted to point out that if the government has no knowledge of aliens, then why does Title 14, Section 1211 of the Code of Federal Regulations, implemented on July 16, 1969, make it illegal for U.S. citizens to have any contact with extraterrestrials or their vehicles?
FootBeef
QUOTE(Snozzberry @ Feb 18 2007, 01:43 PM) [snapback]1548138[/snapback]
by eliminating what they cannot be, you can come to conclusions of what they are. I am very confident and believe, in my heart of hearts, that this is the final video that makes all the skeptics on this board finally believe and admit that these are ET craft or our own craft that we built using ET technology.


well the video hasn't convinced me yet
give me some hard evidence and i'll believe
the point is videos can only show so much, many people will interpret what they see differently --whether they be skeptics, believers, or those in between and that is why video is not any form of real evidence...especially with something of this level of significance,
its going to take irrefutable proof to change minds...not a video
FootBeef
QUOTE(Griffon @ Feb 18 2007, 03:41 PM) [snapback]1548192[/snapback]
I just wanted to point out that if the government has no knowledge of aliens, then why does Title 14, Section 1211 of the Code of Federal Regulations, implemented on July 16, 1969, make it illegal for U.S. citizens to have any contact with extraterrestrials or their vehicles?


http://www.snopes.com/legal/et.htm
Unlimited
QUOTE(FootBeef @ Feb 18 2007, 03:42 PM) [snapback]1548194[/snapback]
well the video hasn't convinced me yet
give me some hard evidence and i'll believe
the point is videos can only show so much, many people will interpret what they see differently --whether they be skeptics, believers, or those in between and that is why video is not any form of real evidence...especially with something of this level of significance,
its going to take irrefutable proof to change minds...not a video


what kind of proof you looking for...you need bush to tell you dont you.... rolleyes.gif
Snozzberry
QUOTE(limited @ Feb 18 2007, 03:56 PM) [snapback]1548201[/snapback]
what kind of proof you looking for...you need bush to tell you dont you.... rolleyes.gif


thats exactly what I was thinking. somehow I don't think any of them would have a hard time believing if the government came out and said they exist, without giving any "hard evidence".
Unlimited
QUOTE(Snozzberry @ Feb 18 2007, 04:00 PM) [snapback]1548205[/snapback]
thats exactly what I was thinking. somehow I don't think any of them would have a hard time believing if the government came out and said they exist, without giving any "hard evidence".


The govt has the hard evidence...people should be demanding the truth...but sheep tend to graze....
FootBeef
QUOTE(limited @ Feb 18 2007, 03:56 PM) [snapback]1548201[/snapback]
what kind of proof you looking for...you need bush to tell you dont you.... rolleyes.gif


i need bush to tell me? what the hell is that supposed to mean?

the kind of proof i need would have to do with a landing, a corpse, a transmission, ANYTHING that isn't terrible quality video, pictures, or the testimonies of some nutjobs.
What I need is evidence that those floaty glowy objects are in anyway being driven by some form of intelligence, I see no nothing to convince me otherwise.
the UFO believer group reminds me of some kind of religion, you have no evidence to support your beliefs and you rely on blind faith to prove your point.
Snozzberry
QUOTE(ImAlien @ Feb 18 2007, 03:39 PM) [snapback]1548191[/snapback]
You assume the flying dots to be saucers? hmm.gif crackpot


some of them are hardly "flying dots". that was a great post by the way. you sure did prove a lot with it. why don't you try explaining whats in the video? maybe because you can't.
Barek Halfhand
QUOTE(Snozzberry @ Feb 18 2007, 04:28 AM) [snapback]1548066[/snapback]
This is it. What we all have been waiting for. Thee diffinitive evidence that ufo's/flying saucers exist. Compliments of NASA. Case closed.

CLICK IT
saw a similar streaking ufo(s) while viewing the golfball shot off of the ISS via NASA.TV......B







halfhandshuffle:slayer-jihad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv3TudB5J10
FootBeef
QUOTE(limited @ Feb 18 2007, 04:02 PM) [snapback]1548208[/snapback]
The govt has the hard evidence...people should be demanding the truth...but sheep tend to graze....


who says they have the hard evidence? some documents that may be forgeries? some people who claim to have witnessed government projects?
again, none of that gets anybody anywhere.

sheep? you believe that there is a conspiracy based on absolutley nothing, documents that may be forgeries, some eye witness testimonies(which by the way don't prove anything see ing as how people are prone to lie and make up stories for very stupid reasons), and some assorted film and video. Nothing is more sheepish than believing something blindly.
FootBeef
QUOTE(Snozzberry @ Feb 18 2007, 04:07 PM) [snapback]1548215[/snapback]
some of them are hardly "flying dots". that was a great post by the way. you sure did prove a lot with it. why don't you try explaining whats in the video? maybe because you can't.


Just because he can't prove it doesn't make you right.
You can't prove your opinion but that doesn't make me right.

you can't prove a negative
Unlimited
QUOTE(FootBeef @ Feb 18 2007, 04:09 PM) [snapback]1548218[/snapback]
who says they have the hard evidence? some documents that may be forgeries? some people who claim to have witnessed government projects?
again, none of that gets anybody anywhere.

sheep? you believe that there is a conspiracy based on absolutley nothing, documents that may be forgeries, some eye witness testimonies(which by the way don't prove anything see ing as how people are prone to lie and make up stories for very stupid reasons), and some assorted film and video. Nothing is more sheepish than believing something blindly.


for me?...I watched the USAF and NASA investigate a triangular UFO landing site for 8 hours...trust me they have the proof!..
Snozzberry
QUOTE(FootBeef @ Feb 18 2007, 04:03 PM) [snapback]1548209[/snapback]
i need bush to tell me? what the hell is that supposed to mean?

the kind of proof i need would have to do with a landing, a corpse, a transmission, ANYTHING that isn't terrible quality video, pictures, or the testimonies of some nutjobs.
What I need is evidence that those floaty glowy objects are in anyway being driven by some form of intelligence, I see no nothing to convince me otherwise.
the UFO believer group reminds me of some kind of religion, you have no evidence to support your beliefs and you rely on blind faith to prove your point.


a great example of how well you have been conditioned to think. if the government says it, it must be true. if anybody else says it, they are nutjobs. don't sit there and deny you wouldn't believe that aliens are visiting this planet if Bush went on TV today and said it.
as for the religion view, there is no comparison. when was "god" caught on film and in pictures? blind faith means there is no evidence whatsoever. the video in the initial post eliminates the "blind faith" factor. if it doesn't, then I expect you to explain away every thing in the video as natural and/or man-made. if you cant, and I am sure you cant, then there is no "blind faith".
FootBeef
QUOTE(limited @ Feb 18 2007, 04:15 PM) [snapback]1548226[/snapback]
for me?...I watched the USAF and NASA investigate a triangular UFO landing site for 8 hours...trust me they have the proof!..


and im supposed to believe you why?

a great example of how well you have been conditioned to think. if the government says it, it must be true. if anybody else says it, they are nutjobs. don't sit there and deny you wouldn't believe that aliens are visiting this planet if Bush went on TV today and said it.
as for the religion view, there is no comparison. when was "god" caught on film and in pictures? blind faith means there is no evidence whatsoever. the video in the initial post eliminates the "blind faith" factor. if it doesn't, then I expect you to explain away every thing in the video as natural and/or man-made. if you cant, and I am sure you cant, then there is no "blind faith".


When did I ever say I believe whatever the government says?

and like I said just because I can't explain what they are, doesn't make you right automatically.

and its this kind of pretentious thinking that hinders any type of advancement in the search for ETI, UFO conspiracy theorists always think they're right so theres no way to improve. And if someone disgrees with them they're immediatley inferior and are just close minded...to me not being able to accept any kind of criticism or arguement is close minded.
Unlimited
believe what you want........I know the truth...
Snozzberry
QUOTE(Barek Halfhand @ Feb 18 2007, 04:09 PM) [snapback]1548217[/snapback]
saw a similar streaking ufo(s) while viewing the golfball shot off of the ISS via NASA.TV......B
halfhandshuffle:slayer-jihad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv3TudB5J10


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Mr.Dot
QUOTE(Snozzberry @ Feb 18 2007, 05:07 PM) [snapback]1548215[/snapback]
some of them are hardly "flying dots". that was a great post by the way. you sure did prove a lot with it. why don't you try explaining whats in the video? maybe because you can't.

Why dont you try to explain whats in the video so we can have a laugh? And what have you proven besides the fact that you are a Edit-Lottie Just because i cant explain whats in the the video dosent mean it is extraterrestrial or flying saucers.
Snozzberry
QUOTE(ImAlien @ Feb 18 2007, 04:29 PM) [snapback]1548245[/snapback]
Why dont you try to explain whats in the video so we can have a laugh? And what have you proven besides the fact that you are a Edit-Lottie Just because i cant explain whats in the the video dosent mean it is extraterrestrial or flying saucers.


I have already made it clear what I think they are, genius. you can't explain whats in the video's you say? thanks! thats all I needed to hear.
Unlimited
QUOTE(ImAlien @ Feb 18 2007, 04:29 PM) [snapback]1548245[/snapback]
Why dont you try to explain whats in the video so we can have a laugh? And what have you proven besides the fact that you are a crackpot? Just because i cant explain whats in the the video dosent mean it is extraterrestrial or flying saucers.


hahaha ....i believe actually; i know they are cloaked andromeda ships...now laugh my brainwashed friends.
Snozzberry
QUOTE(ImAlien @ Feb 18 2007, 04:29 PM) [snapback]1548245[/snapback]
dosent


nice grammar. I guess I dosent know anything after all.
Lottie
Enough with the insults people and get back on topic.
the_UNKNOWN_DEAD
QUOTE(Snozzberry @ Feb 18 2007, 08:07 AM) [snapback]1548215[/snapback]
why don't you try explaining whats in the video?


(Tongue in cheek) Why sure. They are Angels keeping watch over the astronauts. These angels manifest themselfs as orbs or points of light. Of course I have no evidence for this...it is just what I believe. Prove me wrong.

Snozzberry...can you tell me how what I posted in the above paragraph is IN ANY WAY different than your "reasoning"? My "explanation" is just as "reasoned" as yours...in other words, neither have any evidence to support them...

They are angels...prove me wrong...


Unlimited
QUOTE(the_UNKNOWN_DEAD @ Feb 18 2007, 04:44 PM) [snapback]1548261[/snapback]
(Tongue in cheek) Why sure. They are Angels keeping watch over the astronauts. These angels manifest themselfs as orbs or points of light. Of course I have no evidence for this...it is just what I believe. Prove me wrong.

Snozzberry...can you tell me how what I posted in the above paragraph is IN ANY WAY different than your "reasoning"? My "explanation" is just as "reasoned" as yours...in other words, neither have any evidence to support them...

They are angels...prove me wrong...


I like it...Gods army likes being called angels.
FootBeef
QUOTE(limited @ Feb 18 2007, 04:37 PM) [snapback]1548253[/snapback]
hahaha ....i believe actually; i know they are cloaked andromeda ships...now laugh my brainwashed friends.


And how do you know this for a fact?
Snozzberry
QUOTE(the_UNKNOWN_DEAD @ Feb 18 2007, 04:44 PM) [snapback]1548261[/snapback]
(Tongue in cheek) Why sure. They are Angels keeping watch over the astronauts. These angels manifest themselfs as orbs or points of light. Of course I have no evidence for this...it is just what I believe. Prove me wrong.

Snozzberry...can you tell me how what I posted in the above paragraph is IN ANY WAY different than your "reasoning"? My "explanation" is just as "reasoned" as yours...in other words, neither have any evidence to support them...

They are angels...prove me wrong...


hey if thats what you believe that would be fine with me. just as long as you don't go trying to explain them as space debris or some other "reasonable" explanation because they are obviously supernatural, whether it be angels or aliens or whatever.
Mr.Dot
Well put the UNKNOWN DEAD, And Snozzberry, Im not blind!!! Im amazed that what you see are ET's
SurvivalChuck
QUOTE(FootBeef @ Feb 18 2007, 09:03 AM) [snapback]1548209[/snapback]
the kind of proof i need would have to do with a landing, a corpse, a transmission, ANYTHING that isn't terrible quality video, pictures, or the testimonies of some nutjobs.
What I need is evidence that those floaty glowy objects are in anyway being driven by some form of intelligence, I see no nothing to convince me otherwise.
the UFO believer group reminds me of some kind of religion, you have no evidence to support your beliefs and you rely on blind faith to prove your point.

Are you R. Kelly? Yea, no one can be definitely sure that was you in that video with that underaged girl.
Unlimited
QUOTE(FootBeef @ Feb 18 2007, 04:51 PM) [snapback]1548267[/snapback]
And how do you know this for a fact?


because I've been on them...but I dont have the empirical proof you seek...so like the NSA programmed you to do...just shrug it off...
Snozzberry
QUOTE(ImAlien @ Feb 18 2007, 04:51 PM) [snapback]1548269[/snapback]
Well put the UNKNOWN DEAD, And Snozzberry, Im not blind!!! Im amazed that what you see are ET's


like I said, then what are they? they are not natural because the fly along and change directions on their own. especially when that one got shot at by something that came from earth. and the metallic-looking round object that comes into the frame at 1:20 makes impossible manuevers for anything natural or man-made. so tell me what else they could be?
skyeagle409
QUOTE(Snozzberry @ Feb 18 2007, 10:28 AM) [snapback]1548066[/snapback]
This is it. What we all have been waiting for. Thee diffinitive evidence that ufo's/flying saucers exist. Compliments of NASA. Case closed.

CLICK IT


Snozzberry,

Thanks for the video. For years, astronauts and cosmonauts have been saying that they have been encountering UFOs in space and it is known that NORAD has been tracking UFOs in space as well.
FootBeef
QUOTE(limited @ Feb 18 2007, 04:55 PM) [snapback]1548275[/snapback]
because I've been on them...but I dont have the empirical proof you seek...so like the NSA programmed you to do...just shrug it off...



So I've been programmed to not believe things right off the bat? Doesn't seem like such a bd thing if you ask me. Yeah it truly is crazy to want to see some evidence of a completley amazing event. But you know what i'll take your word for it, like all of the conspiracy theorists say "Why would anyone make something like this up?"
Barek Halfhand
QUOTE(Snozzberry @ Feb 18 2007, 10:20 AM) [snapback]1548237[/snapback]
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try to keep up... wink2.gif ....B
WaltFreakinWhitman
I liked the Video. I thought it was very interesting and raises alot of questions. Thanks for posting thumbsup.gif
SurvivalChuck
So if we heard from NASA pilots, astronauts, and other employees themselves, such as Major Gordon Cooper, Donald Slayton, Robert White, Joseph Walker, Eugene Cernan, Ed White, James McDivitt, James Lovell, Frank Borman, Neil Armstrong, Edwin Aldrin, Maurice Chatelain, and Scott Carpenter, talk about UFOs, we should just believe they are conspiracy theorists and that the proposed UFO footages from NASA aren't really what the astronauts think they are because they aren't experts on video footages even though they have seen these UFOs with their naked eyes?
Lilly
QUOTE(Snozzberry @ Feb 18 2007, 04:51 PM) [snapback]1548268[/snapback]
hey if thats what you believe that would be fine with me. just as long as you don't go trying to explain them as space debris or some other "reasonable" explanation because they are obviously supernatural, whether it be angels or aliens or whatever.


So, it's ok to think these things are something supernatural...just not something natural?

Ok then, I say they are emissaries of the Invisible Pink Unicorn (bless her sacred hooves). Prove me wrong too.
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