I dont believe them ...It's fun to watch them deny a phenomenon so commonplace.....

Ofcourse it is funny..but many people are waiting them to say "Yes, aliens are here."

I agree unless the tv tells them it's real.. they wont believe ..and then they base their whole argument on what they are being told....

Listen to yourself...you will be suprised

back to topic in the ufo missle video we have three hypothesis...ice crystals, drones, or a et ufo being fired on....I guess it's one of the 3....except theres a certain party who knows for sure so all bets are off?.....

These two examples are exact in similar matrix against what we are seeing and see all the time in all videos from Shuttle on orbit. I reference these since none of us are on orit to exclaim, 'chit, that IS what we are seeing. Darn, and it looks so much like free flying vehicles.........."

Many people did this sort of thing about 8 years ago including myself, in response to the Art Bell-UFO bunch, and Oberg at the time was still at NASA consulting and he joined in. We, of course, got nowhere, just as the 'believers' will be unchanged now, but the effort of truth was fun to express. This is equally a fun revisit to those times 8 years ago, but no less important for everyone to see again.

You have done an excellent job in visual deduction and portraying in non technical terms what actually we are seeing through what is known as the event of "Paradolia", the issue of seeing things and shapes in random pattern. In this case, we are seeing all froms of debris; ice, foam, foil, packing foil, hold down pallet debris, etc, in all those videos, and this being mistaken by a few as controlled flight by unknown craft. Another sideline to this is why in the world would NASA not acknowledge something of this gravity if true, since it would assure NASA's future forever. Odd thinking.

Great job, again, for your efforts in taking the time with everyone here and putting these great examples together for us.

RAMS

That is correct and that is me. Will you provide your own proof? We have here with facts that are supported, and would you like the contact numbers at NASA to get it straight from them, since they are the ones that are up there on high. Too, it would be in thier best interest to announce UFOs, anywhere, if true, since it would further increase demand for NASA's presence.

On another slant to this, I sometimes think since the whole conspiracy venue, regardless of topic, embraces emotion over reason, feelings over facts, they make the claims they do, to incite a response from those that rationally are the real venue for fiding what is really going on in the ethers around us.

RAMS

I think we all agree. What I'm saying is that it is a mistake to think every time you see one of these diffraction patterns, which all look similar, that your looking at a very small object that is very close to the optics. That is not true so this diffraction pattern does not mean we are looking at very small objects near the optics.

the only proof I have is what I see in the video...pm me the number,..it would be in NASA's best interest to promote any ufo's seen ..but would that be in line with national security?...i dont think so..

But then they would at least be able to confirm for you if what you are seeing is orbtial debris around the shuttle or UFOs. That would not breach anything.

RAMS

Thank you for the ample proof provided in that post.



Why not? Its common practice to shoot down drones...