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Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(GoddessWhispers @ Feb 24 2007, 12:07 PM) [snapback]1556760[/snapback]
What atheists do not believe in is what differentiates them from those traits that allegedly qualify a religion. Saying Atheists were first theists, because they dis-believe in the the god of theism, is like calling satanists christians because they revere the adversary to the christians god. laugh.gif Wouldn't that be a sight, trying to convince a satanist that's true.

devil.gif "No! But really, you have to accept the judeo-christian construct, to worship one of the adversaries to it! Really! It's true, here look at this Wiki link." rofl.gif

Oh that Athiest... the theist version, propaganda is alive and well .... thumbsup.gif
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Feb 24 2007, 12:29 PM) [snapback]1556775[/snapback]
indeed GW, indeed.

Be careful though, you are treading dangerously close to that often deemed offensive language of some christians that goes "no matter what you believe in, you believe in the christian god, even if you don't know it".

Perhaps that has been the end-game Brave has been persuing all along..... laugh.gif

Oh thats what bravey is up too,....*giggles*...
Barek Halfhand
sorry if repeat, but ... A-theism = NO-theism





anybody know where I left my car last night?
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(Barek Halfhand @ Feb 24 2007, 02:31 PM) [snapback]1556879[/snapback]
sorry if repeat, but ... A-theism = NO-theism
anybody know where I left my car last night?

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...its impounded just kiddiing...
rev r
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Feb 24 2007, 03:29 PM) [snapback]1556775[/snapback]
Perhaps that has been the end-game Brave has been persuing all along..... laugh.gif


Dirty pool Hyper.

Brave has bowed out of this debate, yet you guys continue to trash his beliefs. Thus proving that atheists are guilty of the same intolerant crap that you (non-specific plural) so often are quick to accuse Christians of. When confronted by an idea that flies in the face of your safe little illusion of reality, you hide behind your "holy texts" (in this case the Dictionary) and offer nothing but disrespect to an idea that is based more on personal experience.

I find it to be a disgusting and intolerant behavior in the vein of bible thumping fundamentalists.

Make a better world, get over yourselves.

Ciao.

Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(rev r @ Feb 25 2007, 03:56 PM) [snapback]1557601[/snapback]
Dirty pool Hyper.

Brave has bowed out of this debate, yet you guys continue to trash his beliefs. Thus proving that atheists are guilty of the same intolerant crap that you (non-specific plural) so often are quick to accuse Christians of. When confronted by an idea that flies in the face of your safe little illusion of reality, you hide behind your "holy texts" (in this case the Dictionary) and offer nothing but disrespect to an idea that is based more on personal experience.

I find it to be a disgusting and intolerant behavior in the vein of bible thumping fundamentalists.

Make a better world, get over yourselves.

Ciao.

rofl.gif laugh.gif that was so funny..- you all hide behind your HOLY TEXTS..meaning Dictionary LMAO ohh that was funny...thanks rev...never have I read or even heard anyone come out with that...holy texts such as the Dictionary LOL,---priceless..sorry but that does indeed crack me up..and IM SERIOUS when I read it, I did laugh...

I can pic the English dictionary being banned from libarys laugh.gif

Although a christian can use the dictionary when it suits them blink.gif
truethat
I agree with the idea that a large number of self proclaimed atheists are nothing more than a Christian fundy fanatic type. Its the same thing just a different belief. Its more to do with the person though and noth the beliefs. That's why Chistian bashing rubs me the wrong way.
mako
It has been my experience that Christians are bashed mainly for their condescending attitude and their history of bashing other beliefs. What goes around comes around, I believe the saying is. It may rub you the wrong way, but then the bashing of other belief systems by Christians (with no evidence at all that their own beliefs are any more valid) rubs most of us the wrong way - Mako
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(mako @ Feb 25 2007, 04:15 PM) [snapback]1557616[/snapback]
It has been my experience that Christians are bashed mainly for their condescending attitude and their history of bashing other beliefs. What goes around comes around, I believe the saying is. It may rub you the wrong way, but then the bashing of other belief systems by Christians (with no evidence at all that their own beliefs are any more valid) rubs most of us the wrong way - Mako

Well said and a fair comment...


too many are too concerned about christian bashing...but NOT concerned about others being bashed and then some...

I have seen christians bash peolle left right and center on here, just as much as I have seen it been done to them...TWO WAY STREET LIKE IT OR NOT!!! wonder if that rubs true that the wrong way also?? hmm.gif
truethat
Bashings someone's beliefs just shows how insecure you are about your own beliefs. Bashing someone's actions is a different story.

For example I believe in the right to a gay marriage. But I understand that others might not believe this is ok. I can respect that to a degree. It is only when they actually try to interfere with a gay couple's right to marriage that I would bash them.

I don't hold the individual responsible for the actions of the group as a whole.

I have noticed that no matter what group you are speaking with, those that are secure in their beliefs are the ones who are the most open minded and kind. The snide patronizing attitudes come from those are deep inside can't accept the possibility that they could be wrong. They must be right and so others MUST be wrong. Its very pathetic.
hyperactive
QUOTE(rev r @ Feb 25 2007, 07:56 AM) [snapback]1557601[/snapback]
Dirty pool Hyper.

Brave has bowed out of this debate, yet you guys continue to trash his beliefs. Thus proving that atheists are guilty of the same intolerant crap that you (non-specific plural) so often are quick to accuse Christians of. When confronted by an idea that flies in the face of your safe little illusion of reality, you hide behind your "holy texts" (in this case the Dictionary) and offer nothing but disrespect to an idea that is based more on personal experience.

I find it to be a disgusting and intolerant behavior in the vein of bible thumping fundamentalists.

Make a better world, get over yourselves.

Ciao.

on the contrary,

what purpose does a definition serve it is so vague as to not clarify anything? If brave wants to consider "religion" a synonym for belief, all the power to him. However, the benefit of having defintions is that we agree on them so that we can communicate effectively. The comment you quoted is not a trashing of brave's beliefs, but a commentary on how if we make things too vague, they become meaningless.

that is what this has been about. So if you want to redefine words to fit you, go ahead. Just don't get frustrated when people do not understand it you the way you intended. Also, do not get offended when this new definition sounds remarkably like something else that has been rasied before (the "no matter what you believe....." quote).

So yes, I am somewhat intolerant of having language randomly altered as it causes a breakdown in its usefulness as a tool for communication.
Tangerine Sheri
REv, i don't see challenging one to have a side as 'bashing' ...We all like Bravey, give him alot of credit for using his imagination on alot of things, maybe gets way out there at times, but to infer that he is being bashed as the only possible perspective , it just isn't the case...

to help him stay focused is a hand up not a oppoutunity to hit below the belt.....

this is the side where we challenge ourselves , where we really look at what we beleive, if one is overwhelmed one is free to take a break, I have so have many of us, it can get deep in here, but thats how we grow .....
Barek Halfhand
QUOTE(rev r @ Feb 25 2007, 09:56 AM) [snapback]1557601[/snapback]
Dirty pool Hyper.

Brave has bowed out of this debate, yet you guys continue to trash his beliefs. Thus proving that atheists are guilty of the same intolerant crap that you (non-specific plural) so often are quick to accuse Christians of. When confronted by an idea that flies in the face of your safe little illusion of reality, you hide behind your "holy texts" (in this case the Dictionary) and offer nothing but disrespect to an idea that is based more on personal experience.

I find it to be a disgusting and intolerant behavior in the vein of bible thumping fundamentalists.

Make a better world, get over yourselves.

Ciao.
ooops! I'm an Agnostic little feller...like anyones going to notice or care if this pathetic unread thread dies...MR Halfhand gets the REAL numbers around here sheeple.....B


puleez! THIS IS GONNA BE FUN!!
Cadetak
QUOTE(rev r @ Feb 25 2007, 10:56 AM) [snapback]1557601[/snapback]
Dirty pool Hyper.

Brave has bowed out of this debate, yet you guys continue to trash his beliefs. Thus proving that atheists are guilty of the same intolerant crap that you (non-specific plural) so often are quick to accuse Christians of. When confronted by an idea that flies in the face of your safe little illusion of reality, you hide behind your "holy texts" (in this case the Dictionary) and offer nothing but disrespect to an idea that is based more on personal experience.

I find it to be a disgusting and intolerant behavior in the vein of bible thumping fundamentalists.

Make a better world, get over yourselves.

Ciao.


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As for the bolded...we all know its more then that. If the religion was about the personal side of things then I wouldn't have got suspended from Catholic school for sharing my personal experiences.

Its always bin about preaching and spreading the word...that isn't personal.
Barek Halfhand
kill me now!



begun the flame wars we have? that WASNT even funny in 87



instead of "clone wars", "flame wars"....oh what a comic visionary!



yes call ALL your geeky freinds who also have no date (I do )
Cadetak
QUOTE(Barek Halfhand @ Feb 25 2007, 11:45 PM) [snapback]1558387[/snapback]
kill me now!

umm...okay?
Barek Halfhand
QUOTE(Cadetak47 @ Feb 25 2007, 11:26 PM) [snapback]1558435[/snapback]
umm...okay?

pays to hire a writing staff there chief! ....umm...okay? ...bravo!






w00t.gif
umm...okay?




Cadetak
QUOTE(Barek Halfhand @ Feb 26 2007, 12:55 AM) [snapback]1558462[/snapback]
pays to hire a writing staff there chief! ....umm...okay? ...bravo!
w00t.gif
umm...okay?


Hows your writing staff doing? Have they figured out how to construct a coherent and on topic sentence yet?

MissMelsWell
QUOTE(truethat @ Feb 25 2007, 08:24 AM) [snapback]1557623[/snapback]
Bashings someone's beliefs just shows how insecure you are about your own beliefs. Bashing someone's actions is a different story.

For example I believe in the right to a gay marriage. But I understand that others might not believe this is ok. I can respect that to a degree. It is only when they actually try to interfere with a gay couple's right to marriage that I would bash them.

I don't hold the individual responsible for the actions of the group as a whole.

I have noticed that no matter what group you are speaking with, those that are secure in their beliefs are the ones who are the most open minded and kind. The snide patronizing attitudes come from those are deep inside can't accept the possibility that they could be wrong. They must be right and so others MUST be wrong. Its very pathetic.


Agreed! You're welcome at my meeting any day truehat! You'd probably even get a kick out of it--we have a couple of athiests that get a big enough kick out of us that they keep coming back! Bring your favorite casserole, get an hour of pure quiet (what you do with it is your choice) and shoot the breeze with some really cool people who might ramble a little, but they won't strap ya to a chair and torture you with dogma. In fact, they're probably the funniest, smartest, most kind and gentle people I know.
TheHerb420
QUOTE(GoddessWhispers @ Feb 22 2007, 06:27 PM) [snapback]1554462[/snapback]
Brave,...

Or more simply put...

Anti-theism=Atheism
Theism=Religion
Thus, Atheism cannot be Religion.
Caana
The word atheism is just another religious vocabulary word, made up to call others not like them something other then pagan, or all the other pred. words they have to define someone, or group outside their horror of control.

I myself don't encourage any of their made up language, as none of it could ever define myself. Or anything that is real.

I find it insulting that they think their beliefs, and way's and thoughts and attitudes, are somehow ascendant to any others. That their the only one's with a right to exist. And that all their beliefs and faith in them, let them only exist, they know nothing of life, and much of their scripter goes on about in detail, how they have contrived various ways on the destruction of what is life, which is not them.{excuses}

According to them we can't live, because almost anything to do with life, is against their god and messiah. Interesting message that. They support an alien crud that supposedly controls everyone, that they are the only one's who can pacify it's anger towards what is human, by suppressing it through the rod and the sword. And the empty act of prayer to a fabricated horror that supports their own insanity towards others.

Meglomania of that magnitude, along with the insanity that causes it{fabricated history that says they have the right to kill/suppress any other who are against them} is the source of everyones pains and agony's in this world. Trying to live in a world within a system wholly unsuited to human being's is the major cause of it all, and that springs from religion, and the editing out of anything that is human from our populations.

Had an experiance once where i was at a mall, walked into a bookstore, and could'nt find anything that was'nt put through the religious editing of anything they disliked. The reading material in the store was quite worthless, it was all based on artificial nothing's. I would quickly and happily end my own percieved life, if i was ever to wake up one day in a world that was controlled like that.

Second, and most important, is the expectations that you are to die for them through the goverment that they control, without ever having had a chance to ever enjoy what should make life worthwhile depending upon your age. I would drive a knife through the throat of anyone arragent enough to expect that out of me, right before i did it to myself, to get away from the other religious scum, and their worthless and sensless punishments for defying their regime.

Anyway, they won't be having anymore easy times implementing their disgusting agenda's based on their horror fantasy's, and what they think human behavior should be. To many of us are done with them, the only thing keeping them in power is their goverment. The reid guy is a scary propasition, i hope he never becomes prez. He would be the American christians hitler.

They are going to get a surprize when they find out the current prez and his supporters, many who are candidates themselves{behind the scenes collaberating} will just be steamrolling them over when they implement their own agandas for control and change. America has not been, nor will be, a pleasant place to live during the next decade. Because of them.

Anyway, just ignore the dribble they have for vocabulary, don't define yourself through them, define yourself through you. yes.gif
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