Shadowh86
Feb 25 2007, 10:14 PM
QUOTE(Kalashsixtynine @ Sep 29 2006, 08:03 PM) [snapback]1370542[/snapback]
The way i see it it, why worship somthing you don't actually know is a real thing, it seems pointless to me...
That is the reason I posted my "god" (death)
It is real and always here
Caana
Feb 25 2007, 10:26 PM
In this place the worshiping will place you in that layer, and you will experiance what seems like eternity, before you find yourself back here. When and if you remember those things, you will begin to see that you can't go there.
Cadetak
Feb 26 2007, 04:18 AM
QUOTE(sbradj @ Feb 25 2007, 04:33 PM) [snapback]1557893[/snapback]
why not worship god? if your not worshiping him then your worshiping something else..theres fringe benifits with god unlike the others.peace joy love healings confort understanding direction correction hope salvation...if the angels in heaven bow down before his throne worshipibg him and praising him crying Holy Holy Holy...and they do not have salvation why then should we not when we have recieved his mercy grace love...but it is not just something to be mishandled it sould be done out of the spirit of god and the light of his word . wonder how many ppl out there that go to a church set on the pews and dont know who they are worshiping..
I don't worship anything.
Every religion has the "fringe benefits" of peace, love, joy, healings, comfort, understanding, direction, correction, hope, and salvation.
I don't know if God exists or not but if he does I will never worship him at most he can have is my respect.
Mercy, Grace, Love...Humans show these things too but we are not worshiping each other for it.
texasgirlheather
Feb 26 2007, 06:54 AM
QUOTE(Caana @ Feb 25 2007, 10:26 PM) [snapback]1557939[/snapback]
In this place the worshiping will place you in that layer, and you will experiance what seems like eternity, before you find yourself back here. When and if you remember those things, you will begin to see that you can't go there.
What the heck? I can't make tops or bottoms of this. What do you mean, please?
pauld1030
Feb 26 2007, 04:06 PM
QUOTE(curiousity @ Sep 29 2006, 11:50 AM) [snapback]1370530[/snapback]
This question has been on my mind for a while. I was wondering if a person believes in an entity why do they WORSHIP it? Why don't they just know it's there and let that be that?
I hear the religious say all the time that religion and faith are a personal thing but yet most of them continue believing what the church tells them and attending services.
Maybe I'm wrong but it seems as though these people are reminding themselves or need reassurance that their god exists.
Besides why all the worshipping? I used to think it was a human condition but now I know it isn't. We N/B's don't worship.
I'm just curious why they can't just believe without all the hooplah of worship.
because in the bible god said so something like work 6 days and on sunday the holy sabath day you will not work or drink but worship the almighty god the deity of all that is was and ever will be and what do you mean worship him there many differant forms do you mean going to church?
Caana
Feb 26 2007, 05:48 PM
QUOTE(texasgirlheather @ Feb 26 2007, 06:54 AM) [snapback]1558511[/snapback]
What the heck? I can't make tops or bottoms of this. What do you mean, please?
The illusion you call reality is a reactive one, it reflects different beliefs through manifestations, thats why there is another illusion within this one that is the heaven and hell layer. Remember i said reactive, if you actually believe something for real, it will manifest with all the horrors of punishment and the creatures and envirements that inflict those punishments, as well as percieved infractions to so called merit them. There is no time or motion within your mind, they can make you experiance an eternity of agony's before they place you back here, if they ever do. When you are back here you will have no memory of the experiance unless they want to torment you or warn you away from doing the same thing that got you there.
It is nasty, and what all the parasite worshippers have done. It will be shut down soon though. The layers of perceptive experiance are many, but they are all illusions, and if you realize that, they cannot harm you, and you will be able to see the program manifestations yourself.
texasgirlheather
Feb 26 2007, 09:34 PM
I understand your meaning. Thanks for the explanation.
Lone Owl
Feb 27 2007, 02:27 AM
QUOTE(curiousity @ Sep 29 2006, 05:29 PM) [snapback]1370584[/snapback]
Not really.
I never could figure out how a god could give one person to another person and then die for that persons sins. This make absolutely no sense at all.
Let me explain this to you... God is immortal, divine and Holy, he sent his son to die for the sins of humanity.
God wanted to re-establish the link that existed between mankind and Him in the beggining, but was lost when Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit. Since the sacrifices that the earlier people were giving God were not worthy,God had to provide them with one(Jesus).
Jesus was the only human at the time who was Holy and sinless because he was the Son of God who was born from a human mother. Since Jesus was holy he was worthy enough to take the sins of humanity on himself. The rest of humanity at the time were barbaric, savage, full of sin.
squirrelmuphs
Feb 27 2007, 12:40 PM
The difference between Christianity and other religions is the relational aspect. I wouldn't know why other people would want to worship other God's, you'd have to ask them; as for me, I've experienced God in my life. But I think your terms of worship are a little misconstrued by what people make of it today, today--ecspecially in Christianity--it's all one big show. I doubt very much that any Christian church service is at all in line with what God intends for worship: most people know what they are like, they are boring, they are showy (for the ties up on the stage/pulpit place up front), and they are very demeaning. 'Worship' today (in Christianity, which is all I can speak for because I don't partake in any other religions) does not reveal God at all, it's nothing more than a ritual; I've even seen alot of Churches--'Christian' churches I might add--who can go a whole service without mentioning the name Jesus, you know the one their religion is based off of.
When I think of worship I think of using my talents, thanking God that I have those talents. I think of dancing, and I think of singing however I like, not all uptight like I'm in a meeting, the way church is today is very opressive, it isn't freeing--and no, I'm not one of those snake dancing what-cha-ma-call-em's I attended one of those churches as a child and it scared the crap out of me. But if you think back to what the first Christian gatherings (church) must have been like, some people probably told stories of Jesus and what they had witnessed in their own lives (they didn't have the bible then, nor a New Testament, they did have the old though but most of the stories were passed along verbally still), and after some told their stories someone probably started to thank God out loud for something (praying) and the people probably started to get excited and people probably started to sing and dance and [worship]. And I bet everyone there would hate to be in a church service today, I bet Jesus would hate to be in a church service today.
Christianity is the only religion that benefits those who don't believe in it i.e: the love Christians are supposed to have for the world, and yet most churches wont even let you in if you have jeans on, or tattoos. I think that is pretty messed up.
texasgirlheather
Feb 28 2007, 12:22 AM
I agree, Squirrelmuphs. Church is too uptight. I am all for the idea of showing honor to my Father in his house by looking nice and being clean and all that basic stuff. I am in a place where I understand that. But the House of God should be open to everyone, a haven from the world. If you're wearing jeans that day, what's the problem? I'd rather people show up to hear the message than impose stiff uniform requirements on them, to the point that they feel unwanted and don't come anymore. Everyone is at a different place in their walk with God; I've been a Christian a few years now and am over arguing with people about what I should wear, I'm always clean, always decent, but sometimes I wear pants and sometimes I wear skirts. That's just me. It should not be an issue that overshadows the message and the love that we should be sharing with people who come in who maybe are not Christians or are just lost and want somewhere to be on Sunday mornings. I went to one church in North Georgia where I used to live, and I became very disillusioned because the pastor didn't want my best friend's troubled students (she at the time was teaching in an "alternative" high school) to come to church because it would look bad and make the long-timer church goers uncomfortable in their own environment, and he thought no one should have to be uncomfortable at church!!!! What the heck???? He clearly had slipped into a comfort zone of mindless preaching and had lost all his love, if he ever had it. If I had my own church, believe me, the drug addicts and the dirty homeless people and the hookers and whoever you can think of would all be welcome. Some people believe guitars should not be in church, I say if it is loud and chaotic it is disrespectful, I mean don't bring Slayer to church, but if your soul expresses itself on a guitar, then play the darn thing. Music is a gift from God, and a gift for God. It should be meaningful when you give it, otherwise there's no point.
I guess what I'm saying is, too many churches get hung up on the letter of the law, and forget the spirit behind it. And it is sad. But not all; I've been to spirit-filled churches where the congregation was practically dripping with love and it was real, you can tell when it's not. You just have to find the right place for you.
squirrelmuphs
Feb 28 2007, 10:01 AM
Do you think God would look down on my if I showed up to church not showering for a week?
And can we only worship God through 'praise' music? and by 'praise' music I mean the stuff you buy on those worship cd's and hear in church and all, why couldn't you worhsip god with you 'Slayer' music? I don't know who said it but I agree, 'there is no such thing as christian music, just christian lyrics'. But anyways Christian was never a verb, only a noun in the bible--we've made it a verb over time--one where being Christian means you go to church every sunday, you listen to easy listening tunes about jesus, you don't cuss, smoke, drink, or have sex. And in all reality being a Christian means you love and follow Christ.
The way I see it, a church is a building, and if I show up to church looking a little rugged that doesn't change much, I'm pretty sure Jesus had no problem going to synagogue looking dirty, because they had such a different social view of bathing and cleanliness.
As for the prostitutes, and bums, and drug addicts: Mars Hill of Grand Rapids, MI is my favorite church I've attending just for the fact that just as many non-christians attend as Christians: witches, atheists, muslims, hindus, you name it, and they probably go, because they actually bring church back to God. And they have fun doing it.
muslim
Feb 28 2007, 10:13 AM
Its enough that He created you for you to worship Him. Above that He perfected our creation. Above that He supplies you with food daily and your sallery. We tend to get self centered we think what we're in of good is because of us, its because of Him, He gave u the good job u have and the good health. That is one of the many reasons.
squirrelmuphs
Feb 28 2007, 10:33 AM
QUOTE(muslim @ Feb 28 2007, 04:13 AM) [snapback]1561527[/snapback]
Its enough that He created you for you to worship Him. Above that He perfected our creation. Above that He supplies you with food daily and your sallery. We tend to get self centered we think what we're in of good is because of us, its because of Him, He gave u the good job u have and the good health. That is one of the many reasons.
Well for a Christian that viewpoint would be flawed, because if a Christian were to only worship God because he was good to them and gave them things and provided for them, it would go against
unconditional love entirely. But then again, there is no way for a human to love God unconditonally, because the bible states that he loved us first, therefore we don't really have a choice in trying to exercise unconditional love with God, because it is already conditioned.
texasgirlheather
Mar 8 2007, 05:00 PM
QUOTE(Darkwind @ Feb 23 2007, 12:44 PM) [snapback]1555154[/snapback]
I don't honor the Gods out of fear, but because they make my life a little better.
Is this not the dreaded "conditional love?"
gasp/horror
Mr Walker
Mar 9 2007, 05:11 AM
That is an interesting question. When you know, from verifiable evidence that such an entity exists, capable of, and willing to bend space -time , alter energy states and manifest itself physically, to alter your life on occasions; do you need to worship it? After all what is worship. I have learned to respect this entity and communicate carefully with it, to avoid unexpected outcomes to my negotiations. I see only glimpses of its potential, some reflected within myself, and have really very little knowlege/understanding of its nature or reason for being. I seek to know and understand it better and am sincerely thankful for its positive and active interventions in my life. In a way i think that by default that constitutes worship, although i have never thought of myself as worshipping this entity, any more than i worship a storm, or my father; both of which are also complex, difficult to know and understand, and capable of exerting powerful influences on my life over the years. If i am wary of the storm's force, or respect and obey my father's judgements, does this mean i worship them. I think my relationship with "god" is closer to this combination of respect and awe than what is often seen as worship.
Philangeli
Mar 9 2007, 11:12 AM
Worshipping anything can become obsessive and unhealthy for a person if it leads to that person neglecting his own health or the well being of those who rely on him/her. It is much healthier for the soul to praise God through others, through oneself, through one's work and play and through creation. Prostrating oneself to worship a god, a volcano, the sun, a cow or whatever, smacks of primitive subservience, fear and ignorance. Those who advocate this kind of religious submissiveness through threats of punishment and damnation just want to keep people in the darkness and prevent them from discovering their true selves and shining their own light.
texasgirlheather
Mar 9 2007, 10:36 PM
QUOTE(squirrelmuphs @ Feb 28 2007, 10:01 AM) [snapback]1561518[/snapback]
squirrel's question:
Do you think God would look down on my if I showed up to church not showering for a week?
Texasgirlheather's response:
I think God would not reject you but it depends why you havent' showered.
Are you doing it deliberately to test his reaction? That's just rebelliousness and I don't believe it would be rewarded in any way, although He would still be talking to you. Is it because you're having issues of some kind, depression, whatever, you are going through a valley? I believe then it would just be a symptom of a problem not the problem itself, and God would be very concerned and trying to communicate with you (although He's always communicating with us about our problems and we just reject it sometimes). Now if it's just a cultural thing and you intended no meaning by it then it's not even an issue, we here in America have clean water and shampoo and the choice whether to use those things or not. People in third-world countries do not always and that is out of their hands. If you just didn't shower to prove that God should accept your actions whatever they are and make a point to Him, uh, you won't be getting the desired reaction. I guess what I meant by not showering is by showing disrespect to Him intentionally. ^tgh would like to clarify this statemtent by adding the following: God does not reject people for minor infractions, but He does allow you to experience the consequences of your actions. If someone has an existing relationship with Him and simply chooses to start disrespecting Him in his house, God will recognize the rebellion and it will create distance in the relationship. He will give us what we want. If we want to disrespect Him, he does not force us to stop, but our actions will have consequences, in the form of a possible damaged relationship that we will have to humble ourselves to repair. Now we all have minor issues from time to time, and if you already have a relationship with God and have accepted His salvation, He won't disown you or anything crazy just because you wore ratty jeans or smelled funky that particular day. But the more distance you ask for from Him, the more you will get! Also, the other side of that point, is that people who still do not know Him, and are dressed crazy or are hookers or whatever, He is aware of the condition that caused you to act out or not take care of yourself in the first place (that condition being not knowing His grace yet) and He is MORE honored and pleased by the fact that you have come to His house trying to look for Him than he is by superficial things like how you present yourself or how you smell. He fries the big fish first.
squirrel's question:
And can we only worship God through 'praise' music? and by 'praise' music I mean the stuff you buy on those worship cd's and hear in church and all, why couldn't you worhsip god with you 'Slayer' music?
tgh's response:
God can not IMO be worshipped through Slayer because Slayer (and I had every Slayer album back in the day so I know of which I speak) is of a chaotic nature. God does not honor chaos, but HE will try to reach YOU through it. As He tries to reach us in everything we do even if we're not doing it for Him.
squirrel:
But anyways Christian was never a verb, only a noun in the bible--we've made it a verb over time--one where being Christian means you go to church every sunday, you listen to easy listening tunes about jesus, you don't cuss, smoke, drink, or have sex. And in all reality being a Christian means you love and follow Christ.
tgh:
Being a Christian in reality means you admit you're a sinner and will not be able to make it into Heaven on your terms, have repented of your sin nature (meaning you consciously turn away from actively pursuing sin, but when you do you humble yourself and admit it to Him and ask Him to cleanse you of it and continue leaving yourself open for the strength He will give you to resist sin when you lay your pride and rebelliousness at His feet) and submit to his guidance as a child does to his wiser parent.
squirrel:
As for the prostitutes, and bums, and drug addicts: Mars Hill of Grand Rapids, MI is my favorite church I've attending just for the fact that just as many non-christians attend as Christians: witches, atheists, muslims, hindus, you name it, and they probably go, because they actually bring church back to God. And they have fun doing it.
tgh:
I'm glad they have fun but if it is a game, a social activity, or a hobby then they are missing the meaning completely.
texasgirlheather
Mar 9 2007, 10:42 PM
^
In reference to above post, that style of replying didn't work out for me so I won't do it like that again. However, I just went back and did a quick edit rather than fix the whole thing. Yall can see what squirrel said and I said, sorry for the confusion. I'm still new at this.
Jim88
Apr 8 2007, 09:13 PM
QUOTE(curiousity @ Sep 29 2006, 04:50 PM) [snapback]1370530[/snapback]
This question has been on my mind for a while. I was wondering if a person believes in an entity why do they WORSHIP it? Why don't they just know it's there and let that be that?
I hear the religious say all the time that religion and faith are a personal thing but yet most of them continue believing what the church tells them and attending services.
Maybe I'm wrong but it seems as though these people are reminding themselves or need reassurance that their god exists.
Besides why all the worshipping? I used to think it was a human condition but now I know it isn't. We N/B's don't worship.
I'm just curious why they can't just believe without all the hooplah of worship.
I try to be like God, in that sense I worship him. I don't sing hymns to him or any of that stuff. I don't believe God really wants or needs us to worship him. I think he is more humble than that.
My theory is worship is man's attempt to gain some control of an uncontrollable world by pleasing a diety.
Lion of Judah
Apr 8 2007, 09:42 PM
Idolism is bad like idolising a person or image but worshiping God the our father is good for we are his children
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