Illiniblue35
Feb 22 2007, 11:53 PM
i didnt know where to post this but anyways did they ever figure out who did those killings? With the movie coming out i heard once that they found out who did it by finger prints that were on letters, and that the guy had died already.
Gatofeo
Feb 23 2007, 03:49 AM
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i didnt know where to post this but anyways did they ever figure out who did those killings? With the movie coming out i heard once that they found out who did it by finger prints that were on letters, and that the guy had died already.
This was addressed recently in other threads.
No, the killer was never found.
Yes, by all accounts, the killer was a man (one thread wondered if Zodiac was a woman, but some of his victims survived and positively stated Zodiac was a man).
I would not trust the film for accuracy. Hollywood loves to fill in gaps to dramatize the story. Witness, "JFK" by Oliver Stone. It's filled with speculations and "facts" that are simply not true.
One man claims that the Zodiac killer died in Washington state in the 1980s --- but he has a book to sell on that very topic so he can hardly be viewed as an objective source.
Read the paperback, "Zodiac" if you can find it. I read it about 20 years ago, and again about 10 years ago. It's a yellow cover with Zodiac's logo in black on it. I no longer have the book and can't recall the author's name.
You may also search the internet for a brief history of this killer, but beware that much of what you find on the internet is --- to paraphrase Mark Twain --- "lies, danged lies and fantastic lies."
Probably the most objective source is the book I mentioned above. Look for it in used book stores. It's a long read, but worth it.
In the meantime, search this site for previous discussions on Zodiac.
Harriet Reed
Feb 23 2007, 11:23 AM
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I would not trust the film for accuracy. Hollywood loves to fill in gaps to dramatize the story. Witness, "JFK" by Oliver Stone. It's filled with speculations and "facts" that are simply not true.
JFK's amazing! What have you got against it???
Left Field
Feb 24 2007, 07:29 PM
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JFK's amazing! What have you got against it???
The movie he referred to is filled with a number of inaccuracies about the event that simply aren't true.
Grindcorp9000
Mar 5 2007, 02:55 AM
In the movie they have a suspect for the killigs but they stated that this is just for the movie's sake and that they didn't really catch the killer.
diablo66666
Mar 13 2007, 06:10 PM
I love to read about the zodiac...Just not the lies.
Beautiful boy
May 9 2007, 08:16 AM
My opinion on Zodiac killer:
1. Letters of the Zodiac - the tool of disinformation. Informing in the first letters authentic data, it aspired to cause trust to them but only that in the further to use the messages for a desorientation of consequence. Therefore its literary trash it is not necessary to take on belief;
2. The Zodiac did not make that quantity of murders on which insisted in the late messages;
3. The Zodiac did not get in sight law enforcement bodies in general! Its prints of fingers were available at the disposal of FBI, and FBI it did not doubt that its prints of fingers. I suppose, that actually these prints have appeared at all after murder of the taxi driver, and much earlier, simply it disappeared. The given fact means presence of a dactyloscopic card of the Zodiac or prints of separate parts of fingers and palms, that all suspected were checked on concurrence of prints. So, among suspected it at all was not;
4. Histories of some persons looked rather suspiciously, certainly, are interesting, but to business do not concern! It is not necessary to be under a delusion in this respect. Everything, that inspired suspicions concerning these people - an essence of concurrence and no more that. To think differently, means to confuse itself;
5. It is obvious to me, that the Zodiac was the person "patients in all head", defective, cowardly and irresolute, weak and gentle . Yes, it bravely shot people from a pistol, to kill a shot from fire-arms in general simply. But here on lake Berissa it has admitted obvious weakness, I think, during any moment it was ready to refuse murder and if the couple which it has attacked, would lead itself with it a little differently - would try to move to pity, would began to complain about a life... That it, most likely, at all would not start a knife. Perhaps, would shoot from a pistol. But in how it sticked with a knife into the connected victims it is not felt not only hands of the killer, but even a strong man's hand. About any special military preparation at the Zodiac cannot be and speeches, I insist on it categorically. Can not doubt, the person having special preparation, would kill a couple on lake Berissa absolutely differently. Weakness of character it is very convex it was showed in history with abduction of the woman with the child which has escaped from he. It in general in a head does not keep within! It some hours went for a drive with it on roads, not being solved on murder (not being solved). Do you can imagine Chikatilo, Gasy or Dahmer which like would be going to make murder, have stolen a victim and during several hours could not be solved on murder? Item 5 is very important, it confirms item 1; in the letters the Zodiac draws itself "the abrupt murderer", but it only attempt of psychological indemnification. Actually it was pity, cowardly and deeply psychologically the defective person, the single and, probably, the impotent man. Its "project" of undermining of the school bus - the present schizophrenia;
6. My assumption of the further destiny of the Zodiac follows from all above-stated. This person felt necessity to humiliate, intimidate, be drawn before associates (to recollect its detailed story on lake Berissa what, say, it the criminal, has made runaway enough and so forth for what all it to speak people which it wanted to kill? Only to amuse itself; it spoke, and it bore, it simply enjoyed himself that minute). The subsequent murder followed from these needs. It tried to shoot at love couples, tried to knife. Experiments with a knife have not liked it, probably, have frightened it, probably, it has felt own cowardice. Anyway, it has refused attacks with a knife and has returned to a pistol. Finally, after murder of the taxi driver it has refused the further attacks. Probably, it was frightened with that circumstance, that its prints of fingers have got to law enforcement bodies (and newspapers have informed on it in the presumable form). Probably, there were witnesses, capable to learn it on appearance (the escaped woman and the teenagers seen as it has shot the taxi driver). Anyway, the Zodiac has refused the further murders. Murder of the taxi driver in the San-Francisco is last murder of Zodiac! Within several years it still tried to write letters, "was compensated" in a similar way in own eyes, but finally started by it the mechanism of self-destruction has pushed it to a unique output - he has finished with himself, he has killerd himself. It was humiliated every day with a life: it could not earn enough money, it could not receive the woman whom wished, it could not live how wanted, with it did not respect or even despised associates (anyway, it so believed). It should be compensated, remove this stress, to prove to itself, that it "abrupt the man, instead of a pettiness", but... To make it it could not any more. Was afraid of witnesses who were at police, was afraid of the left prints of fingers. From here various consequences of accrued stress - infringement of a dream, frustration of digestion, nervous system, which and so it was deeply unhealthy. It could not remove stress murder therefore it has removed its suicide. The Zodiac not only has not lived up to 1990, but even up to 1980! I Think, that it has finished with himself somewhere in 1974 (most later), but most likely, even earlier, in a year approximately per 1972. I believe, that late letters of the Zodiac could be forged a different sort by fools-imitators.
Such here my opinion on this person and its crimes.