Interesting to know what books you read when you reference "Jesus" and or his messianic role, clearly not the OT or NT because none of what you say is in either text?

The OT of course. It clearly states that the Messiah will be a military leader that will defeat all of the human oppressors of the Chosen people, and that He will rule the entire world from Jerusalem. This is why Satan came to Jesus, offering his services as a mighting dragon to destroy the enemies of Israel if Jesus allowed him to do it. It seems Jesus failed to be the Jewish messiah by refusing the assistance of Satan, and instead, attempted to save the pagan enemies of Judaism instead.

OK! You say OT is your reference. I am familiar with the military prophecies concerning the Messiah, but where does Satan come to Jesus and offer him his service?

Now about astrology, astrology was a secret of Heaven taught by the angel Barakiel, and yes many Jews used astrology. It was aslo as pointed out in 2 Enoch MADE BY GOD, and He states DIRECTLY to Enoch that He made the 'hosrocope for every newborn'. It is NOT frowned upon by God in any way.

As for the rest of what you've harped on about I really don't like repeating myself so I suggest you read my reply in the Beezelbub thread which you also so rudely intruded into with your dragon mythology.

Immediately after his Baptism Jesus went into the wilderness to meet Satan. He went there because he knew Satan was a Seraph-dragon, and could obviously not meet him in his home in Nazareth. Excluding Christian nonsense about a nonsexistent Lucifer, the real Satan was the appointed "Lord of this World" so this meeting to change the reigns of power were undoubtedly directed by the Master of them both. Remarkably, this is the same title of the "Great Serpant-Dragon" Enki, 3,000 years earlier who oversaw the Garden of Eden in the Sumerian legends that would be haphazardly transformed into the Book of Genesis.

Rather than accept Satan's help to be made king of the world, (which was in fact God's help, for in the real Bible Satan is the obedient servant of God, and even called a "Son" of God), Jesus instead chose to save/convert the pagan world, rather than allow the heavenly hosts to undoubtedly kill millions to impose the rule of Jesus by force. This is what the so-called "temptations" actually were. But superstitious apostles, their minds polluted with hundreds of years of pagan dualistic beliefs since the Persian captivity, reduced the mighty creator God of Israel, to the zoroastrian Ahuramazda, locked in a battle for mens souls with an invented Devil and his army of "fallen" angels, that appears nowhere in the Holy Torah endorsed by Jesus.

Jesus did indeed make a great sacrifice to save all of mankind, but not in some improbable and bizarre blood sacrifice to a bloodthirsty Father/God that somehow required this (even though as creator he could make or change his own rules). This is downright silly, and one of the main reasons people have such a difficult grasp of this Christian concept which also stems from the nonexistent war between God and Satan brought about by Persian Zoroastrian dualism that infected Christian thought. He simply died a public execution in front of hundreds of witnesses, so my rising from the dead, he proved his message was inspired word. NOT to appease His Father in an improbable blood sacrifice demanded by him. What a disgusting, terrible thing to believe.

Where on Earth do you get this crap from? Jesus fasted for 40 days in the desert NOT to meet satan, to think things over, Satan, being prince of ACCUSING ANGELS (and NOWHERE does it say satan was a seraph) tempted Jesus. I really wish you'd learn to READ. Jeus said to him, THOU SHALT NOT TEMPT THE LORD. He offered him all the riches possible, and said if you really ARE the son of God then fall down that cliff, and the angels will come and lift you up. He told him BE GONE SATAN, THOU SHALT NOT TEMPT THE LORD. I guess you so convieniantly missed the verses where Jesus said satan is a MURDERER AND DECEIVER OF THE WHOLE WORLD.

Oh and wait, Jesus CHOOSE to be crucified now. WTF are you on? I suppose you also convieniantly skipped the AGONY IN GETHSEMANE



So, now if GOD didn't want Jesus to be crucfied WHY didn't he save his Son? What because Jesus WANTED to be crucfied??? QUITE CLEARLY HE DID NOT.

Obviously you have absolutely NO understanding of the workings of satan. Satan may very have given Jesus the wealth of the world, but he would have GONE AGAINST HIS FATHER. Satan was around before Jesus, a son of God as are ALL ANGELS, and just as Satan was jealous of ADAM AND EVE so was he also INSANELY JEALOUS OF GOD'S NEW SON, MADE OF HIMSELF. Satan is a SCORPIO. Satan ADMITTED to Adam and Eve he was jealous of them and would take revenge on them for all time for having his CAST OUT FROM AMONG HIS BRETHERIN. How much MORE was he jealous of Jesus? Come on now, if Jesus WANTED the riches of the world he doesn't NEED to ask satan, He's God's son, He just needed to ask his Father. You give satan way too much credit.

Let me tell you a thing about satan, first of all ALL angels are obeidinet to God, fallen or not. However in the above said case he was pulling a swifty trying to find an excuse (LIKE HE DOES WITH EVERYONE) for God to find fault in Jesus. However, satan wants NO ONE ELSE IN HEAVEN BUT HIM AND GOD and will cast out ANY ANGEL (like he tempted the angels of Enoch to cast themselves out to marry), stop any human from entering Heaven in as much as in his power. He was one on one with God in the beginning, God's favorite angel more powerful than all others. Then he ****ED UP by refusing to bow to Adam which God ordered him to do, so he was CAST OUT. And in God's own words 'Satan knew that I was to create a new world with a second kind of angel and king over it and he became JEALOUS and sought a way to DESTROY IT' in reference to Adam and Eve. Satan IS cast out, he resides in the 5TH HEAVEN TURNED ANGEL HELL/PRISONHOUSE AWAY FROM GOD. That IS his punishment. Yes he can go to the throne of God doing his job as accusing angel (and I'll explain WHY God has accusing angels in a minute) but when God doesn't feel like listening to satan's 3 year old whinging he sends (oh and here is the punchline) the SERAPHIM to BURN THE TABLETS OF SATAN. iN FACT IT SAYS 'WHY ARE THEY CALLED THE SERAPHIM? BECAUSE THEY BURN THE TABLETS OF SATAN'. So satan most definantly is NOT a seraphim.

Let me quote the entire verse

How many seraphim are there? FOUR, corresponding to the four winds of the world. How many wings have each of them? Six, corresponding to the six days of creation. How many FACES HAVE THEY? SIXTEEN, four facing in each direction. The measure of the seraphim and the height of each of them corresponds to the seven heavens. The size of each wing is as the fullness of heaven, and the size of each face is like the rising sun. Every one of them radiates light like the splendor of the throne of glory.

Why is their name called seraphim? BECAUSE THEY BURN THE TABLETS OF STANA. Every day satan sits with Sammael, Prince of Rome, and with Dubbiel Prince of Persia (GUARDIAN ANGELS OF THE SAID CITIES) and they write down the sins of Israel on tablets and give them to the seraphim to bring thembefore the Holy One, blessed be he, so that He should destroy Israel from the world. But the Seraphim know the secrets of the Holy One blessed be He that He does not desire that the nation of Israel should fall. What then, do the seraphim do? Every day they take the tablets from satan's hand and burn them in the blazing fire that stands opposite the high and exalted throne, so that they should not come into the presence of the Holy one blessed be He, when he sits on the throne of JUDGEMENT and judges the whole world in truth.

In short God couldn't be bothered listening to satan's whinging. And by the way his name ins't 'satan' to start with it's Satanail he also holds the name Mihael, just like all angels who did or still do hold a high rank have many names. The ONLY time God DOES is when the person measured against satan in the supreme scales of judgement of Heaven are weighed falls short. I.e. when satan shows more love for God than the person in question.

I do have to ask, is it God you love, or dragons? Wouldn't want satan and Sammael to come after you now, remember what happened to Job don't you? You ARE after all ONLY human, and if an angel can be tested, what then of a mere human. And your comments on the Enoch angels about being 'just horny angels'. You DO know that a portion of them were handed over to satan (when satan asked God for them to work for him) as accusing angels. Not only that they were from the order of judgement angels. Angels were around before you or any other human was a twinkling in anyone's eyeand are most definantly NOT 'clones of humans'. You could be tested at any time, and oh God help you if you are found wanting. Ever wondered why the angel Michael says to Satan 'May God rebuke you'?. Don't **** with angels, they're more powerful than you.

I have one thing to say:
God created everything, Ruoch Yahweh, may God rebuke you.

1000 years before his birth iit was preciesely prophesied regarding the Messiah's death. The whole concept of the Passover Lamb was a foreshadowing of the sacrificial role of the Messiah. These are In Psalms and Isaiah for the most part. But again your references to Jesus and now John the Baptist could only be in the Gospels. But what you are saying is not even remotely close to what the records say. So, if you are citing a text could you please give the reference? Do not worry Draconic the role of the military Messiah is coming soon and if your Dragon theory's are true then maybe we will get to see them eat a couple of billion people.

There is no "text" he can quote or reference to support this nonsense that is why he is speaking in generalities. It is called "I do not like what is written, so I will make it up as I go..."

Hey DC can u post the titles of your earlier published works.....not only might u sell a copy...coz i would buy one for a laugh, but i cant wait long enuff for ur next one....u spend too long here to be doing anything constructive.
truth is i doubt uve ever been published by a company that doesnt also publish books about crop circles and aliens.
dont believe ur a proffessor, anyone legit would back up such sensationalism, and have a coherent argument which doesnt contradict itself.
so put ur money where ur mouth is dragon boy.... and the emphasis is on the boy.

"Can't we all just get along?" R. King

Well.... it didn't take long to discover you were just another teenager pretending to be an academic.

No, my publishers strictly stick to military history subjects, which is why this book won't be handled by them, but no hard feelings. Come to think about it, all of my magazine articles and papers dealt with military history too, save for a piece in Biblical Archaeology Review about a site I worked on in the Golan.

Now do I really want to give micheivous teenagers like yourself my name? I think not. While all of my previous works were written under my own name, due to all the reigious nuts out there, I will probably do this one under a different name.

I can back up everything I say, and I basically have here. If people want all the footnotes and illustrations, they must wait for the book.

Unlike everything else I have written which had be purely historical, this is a book about dragons and the Bible, subjects many people don't take seriously to begin with. I already know a lot of people are going to enjoy it, and even learn a thing or too. But in a subject such as this, you are not going to please everyone.

Good point DC. I have thought about doing one myself on "Jesus not being God", but it would go no where. What military subjects did you like?

Wait if you are an author why wouldn't you tell us your name? How are we so pose to buy your work?

How about the ISBN#?

My favorite period of warfare is the classical world and especially the Roman Army. The old religious epic films as well as church inspired the interest. My Roman Army book has been printed in four languages, sold in museums, and has been used by various film companies to improve their costumes. It has also brought me many appearances on history channel/discovery channel programs. I have worked on the excavation at Gamla, in the Golan Heights, which was one of the cities destroyed in the Jewish War, and vividly described by Josephus. If I use my own name in the Biblical Dragon book, I'll send you a Roman book too.

I do agree that "Jesus is not God", and clearly see the inept attempts by later Christians to change the Bible to reflect this, just as with the lame invention of Lucifer, and the turning of the Biblical Seraph-dragons into fluffy, humanoid angels. All of these things are part of the later Christian, "non-biblical" mythology. You just accept additional parts of the non-biblical mythology that I do, but your study of the Jesus as God aspect, should show you there are other sides to the same stories. It will all be covered in the upcoming book as all the subjects are inter-related.

Interesting! I have a question. The Roman method of crucifixion, did they always employ a cross section? Or do you think it was more of a stripped tree they put people on. Also could the Jews have know about crucifixion methods as far back as 1000 B.C.?

As the word implies, to be crucified means to be "fixed" to a "cross", and not simply a stake or tree. Some people have ventured there was such a thing as a "crux simplex", but without a cross beam it would not be a cross at all. The greeks executed people in this manner as well, and here there are specifically different words to indicate whether a plain stake or a cross was used. People have been impaled to all manner of objects, but it would be improper to use the word crucify unless the object being crucified to is cross shaped.

Persians and assyrians crucified/impaled people as well, and there may be some depictions of Assyrian steles. These may be impalements through the anus as well.

Curiously we find no artistic depictions of cruxifictions in Roman art. But this is probably because it was such a shameful way to die, yet there are numerous depictions of criminals being offered to wild beasts. I recall a Roman graffito which was supposedly drawn by a Roman soldier that depicted Jesus on the cross with the head of an Ass. I believe it was decried as a fake by "minimalists as it emerged in the artifact trade, and not found by archaeologists. Minimalists also claimed Pontius Pilate was ficticious until a stele with his name on it was found in the excavations of Caesarea, so Pilate is now "fact", though his title on the inscription is that of a military Prefectus and not a Procurator.

Christians looking for connections between the old and new testaments are sometimes drawn to a vague reference to execution in deuteronomy involving a tree, but this must be a reference to hanging, as the only authorized methods of execution were stoning, beheading, burning and strangulation, impalement then, being forbidden by religious law.