QUOTE(Condescending @ Feb 27 2007, 06:05 PM) [snapback]1559913[/snapback]
You have an interresting way if seing this, im curious.
Do you fear death? I ask because you seem to have put quite some thought into this and still I can't help but "smell" that its as in many religions a way of explaining death so the thought of this death does not make life unliveable or in other words "too scary" .
I like to think and say that I do not fear death but I really can't say because I havn't been in a situation in which I have been close to it. If you had a gun pointed to my head I like to think that I would be calm and indifferent but I can't really say until something like that happens.
As I see it, we visit death every night in our deep sleep (without dreams). We have no sense of self, no senses that there is no sense of self, no sense of the world yet do we fear going to sleep. It is an act of faith that we will not wake. But deep sleep is absolute bliss. We all arn't aware that we are there but when we wake we say I had a good sleep. So in effect we are still there and still experience it as bliss even if we are unconscious of it. So if there is nothing at death (and the closest we can get to describing "nothing" is deep sleep but even this is contradictory because nothing is something) it will be blissful and I wont suffer because I wont be unaware of anything.
I have searched through all religions and philosophies to find what intutively makes sense to me. Also through science. All mystics agree that our true nature is a timeless simple awareness which is absolute bliss. This is being God itself or infinite consciousness. The Islam mystics, Hindu mystics, Buddhist mystics (nirvana or universal mind is the same thing as God), Christian mystics, Taoist mystics, zen masters....
All through different contexts arrive at the same rally point. And that the only reason why we suffer is because we identify with our mind or body. This is a post I could write a really good essay about because I have studied this through and through.
Also It isn't just that I want to explain death but want to know what it is. I know i only know concepts and the actual truth but it is all I have until then. To know the truth we must unlearn everything we have been conditioned to believe. This is an essential intellectual process of mortification but a difficult one easier said than done.
I'll leave you with two self-contained explanatory quotes of a hindu guru mystic who preached what he practiced and who knew the truth directly.
There is neither past nor future; there is only the present. Yesterday was the the present when you experienced it; tomorrow will also be the present when you experience it. Therefore , experience takes place only in the present, and beyond and apart from experience nothing exists. Even the present is mere imagination ,for the sense of time is purely mental. ---RAMANA MAHARSHI (ALLAH BLESS HIM)And this by the same beautiful man:
Pleasure or pain are only aspects of the mind. Our essential nature is happiness. We forget the Self and imagine the body or the mind to be the Self. It is this wrong identity that gives rise to misery. ---Ramana MaharshiOh wait here is a good one from a christian mysticism book:
A soul pure in God is God. ---The PhilokaliaThis is an extremely condensed brief overview. But my intuition agrees with all of the above. On on this note science has absolutely no idea how the brain/matter creates consciousness/awareness. How do unconscious unaware atoms create living consciousness???? Science will never know because the answer is a mystical one and not a scientific one (though mysticism is scientific because it involves the individual seeing true reality for oneself and not hanging all hopes on a belief system as a means and end. And hence mysticism can be verified if one is willing to put the effort in).