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Shadowh86
I have read that ancient astronauts where gods to us in the past
So if they where gods whay are they stoped coming to us??

Have you heard about them??

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Lilly
QUOTE(Shadowh86 @ Feb 24 2007, 02:23 PM) [snapback]1556475[/snapback]
I have read that ancient astronauts where gods to us in the past
So if they where gods whay are they stoped coming to us??


Well, I don't think it's so much that they stopped coming...I doubt that they ever came here in the first place. The ancient astronaut hypothesis was popular awhile back. A fellow named Eric von Daniken wrote a book called, "Chariots of the Gods" (I'll see if I can find a link to some info on this). Ok, here's some Wiki info about it.

Frankly, the bottom line here is the evidence, it's just not definitive. There's just no solid irrefutable evidence for the idea that ancient gods=ET visitors.
Test Subject
A peaceful crew of space travellers visited Ancient Egypt. They helped the Pharaoh and his people by intoducing certain types of technology, and forming a more organized society. The Pharaoh eventually grew jealous and had his closest followers attack the space travellers. The space travellers could not fight the Egyptians on land - they weren't equipped or prepared - so they fled. At least this is from a dream I've had several times starting when I was really really young...too young to make much of it even. The last thing the space travellers said before they flew away was "we could have built a great nation together."
jaylemurph
What would aliens have to gain from starting a civilization with Egyptian primitives?

--Jaylemurph
hafizbms
Come to think of it, these ancient astronauts theory came because people located images or statues of strange characters or figures, which resembles that of an alien or a strange being.

How about this theory? None of it is true.

All of those pictures or figures were just artwork. People in the past decided to make a funny figures or draw their friends portrait so ugly that it resembles an alien, all to entertain others, and it got buried, only to be found by us, and here we are, thinking that aliens came in the past.

It can be an option right?

So, we will never know.
sourpatchkid
QUOTE(hafizbms @ Feb 24 2007, 12:09 PM) [snapback]1556655[/snapback]
All of those pictures or figures were just artwork. People in the past decided to make a funny figures or draw their friends portrait so ugly that it resembles an alien, all to entertain others, and it got buried, only to be found by us, and here we are, thinking that aliens came in the past.

It can be an option right?

So, we will never know.


For sure. How many times have you seen a drawing/painting that said "artists impression", and then the real object or person ended up not looking anything thing like that? It is undeniable that we use art to express the world around us and our imaginations.

That being said, I'm not sure that I don't believe in these things, when you start to look at all of this stuff as a whole, it can be pretty convincing.
eqgumby
I always thought that was a cool idea too. The evidence is no shakier than a lot of others out there. Circumstantial (is that the proper term?) but definitely interesting. Although some of the Egyptian stuff has been debunked by experts in Egyptian art and writing.
hafizbms
Maybe I should take the Justice League figurines and bury it in my yard. Who knows in the future, far into the future, the people will dig up and find it.
They would all go "WOW! THE WORLD WAS RULED BY THESE MEN IN THE PAST! PEOPLE IN THE PAST HAD SUPERPOWERS!!!!!!!".

Would anybody else join me in burying your toys??
75mcherch
I don't know if they were aliens. Perhaps the people seen in the ancient drawings are humans from a much more civilized culture. Theorists present the idea of "Atlantis" as a civilization of advanced technology. Some theorize that Antarctica once had an advanced culture occupying its fertile grounds. This was before the place was covered with ice, obviously.

The point I'm trying to make is that not every drawing out there is of aliens. Some may be of an advanced culture here on earth, while others may simply be artwork created by a bored child far back in the past. Who knows. The truth is, there is not enough evidence to support the Ancient Astronaut theory. The only evidence they have is art, which can have many, many meanings and interpretations.

Of course, like any theory, this one deserves just as much research and devotion. Until someone presents hard evidence other than some cave paintings and carvings, we may never know the truth.
HAJiME
People will always speculate and make stories about what lies beyond the garden gate.
Roj47
QUOTE(Test Subject @ Feb 24 2007, 02:53 PM) [snapback]1556493[/snapback]
A peaceful crew of space travellers visited Ancient Egypt. They helped the Pharaoh and his people by intoducing certain types of technology, and forming a more organized society. The Pharaoh eventually grew jealous and had his closest followers attack the space travellers. The space travellers could not fight the Egyptians on land - they weren't equipped or prepared - so they fled. At least this is from a dream I've had several times starting when I was really really young...too young to make much of it even. The last thing the space travellers said before they flew away was "we could have built a great nation together."


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Shadowh86
Everything is posible
hafizbms
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Everything is posible


Possible in a sense that alien had been here?

Or,

Possible in a sense these "evidence" were just mere art?
Mattshark
QUOTE(Shadowh86 @ Feb 26 2007, 02:27 PM) [snapback]1558770[/snapback]
Everything is posible

Really? Try flying by flapping your arms.
Shadowh86
Even that is posible if you are that stupid grin2.gif
rezna
QUOTE(Mattshark @ Feb 26 2007, 07:22 AM) [snapback]1558818[/snapback]
Really? Try flying by flapping your arms.


LOL!

Ok, I agree with everything in this thread so far. I believe things are possible we don't have any evidence for. I believe that archaeologists could be looking at something trivial and misinterpreting it. I believe that if the only things left from our society were a statue of Donald Trump and a Britney Spears album the future would totally misinterpret our society. But that's just it. We don't have enough evidence to say one way or another. We can't say that there are aliens or not. We can't say that there was a society of people far greater and more advanced than what we call our first cities.

IMHO, I believe that there was a group of people who had a society much older than anything we have in the archaeological records. We see in every single society a creation story. Well, what if they were true? What if some of the stories in the bible were true? THey could have been! Who is to say that just because there isn't evidence of something it didn't happen? BUT I want to stress that this doesn't mean I am saying we have proof for any of these things. We totally don't. But that doesn't mean I don't have the fantasy that these places existed. I'd love to think that there was an ancient culture of humans from all around the world and they were amazing. We have them in our cultures today, very small bits and pieces of them, but I believe it is there.

Now here's a great scenario:

Say global warming does completely screw us over. And lets say it's starts happening in 2012, just for fun! And then it obliterates our society. Volcanos, earthquakes, super storms, galactic debree falling to earth, meteors, etc. It all happens and a lot of us die (could take a lot of time for this to happen, just humor me). So some of us live maybe. And they have to start all over. Since everything was destroyed they have to try to remember everything and pass it down to the new generations after them. (BTW we've had bottlenecks in our evolution, so this kind of thing could have happened before.) Anyway, can you imagine someone trying to remember what happened in the Greco Roman war and them telling you that story? And what would happen to the story when you tell it to someone else? ANd then 500 years later someone thinks, "Maybe I should write down this ancient story of the greco-roman war so someone in the future can read about it." Well the funny thing is, the person who remembered the war didn't quite get it right, so they fudged a little bit of the story. Thus, for the rest of time, the greco-roman war is told completely wrong to everyone after that one person screwed it up.

Now, why couldn't this have happened with say, Noah's flood story? I think it did. Or Atlantis? I think it did. Or any of the other myths and stories we here from all kinds of cultures, in all kinds of centuries, etc. Dragons, sea monsters, adam and eve, atlantis, noahs flood or a big flood in general, "a man who came down from the sky", a man who came from across the ocean, there are so many of these stories! DISCUSS!
Eieam Wun
This is indeed an endless debate the funny thing is that we have areas in science today that actually has little or no evidence yet is excepted as being true. I don't think it makes much differents if there is evidence or not for people to except it, what is interesting to ask is DOES IT EVEN MATTER? If the poly gods and mono GOD 's were showned with evidence to be other then the creator of all what would that mean?

Anyhow evidence exist for ancient astronaut theory what doesn't exist is a unanimous agreement on the interpretation of that evidence. There is evidence the sun and all stars are nuclear reactors, yet not only can we not see inside the sun nor get any readings we never even come close to sustaining a nuclear reaction and at the same time put such attempt on a pedastal so high by saying only a celestial object the size of could create sufficient gravitational pull, etc etc for a nuclear reaction to occur. Again evidence exist for ancient astronauts just not agreement.

Eieam Wun
Harte
QUOTE(rezna @ Feb 27 2007, 02:34 PM) [snapback]1560646[/snapback]
IMHO, I believe that there was a group of people who had a society much older than anything we have in the archaeological records. We see in every single society a creation story. Well, what if they were true? What if some of the stories in the bible were true? THey could have been! Who is to say that just because there isn't evidence of something it didn't happen?

Rezna,
I've said before that the word "evidence" should be used instead of the word "proof" in most posts involving the concept here at U-M. Thanks for using the correct terminology here.
The use of the correct word makes your statement true.

That being said, since you indulged in a "What if...?", then allow me to as well.
Suppose your belief in some much older society were true. Here's my "What if?" What if this old society had their own creation myth? Couldn't the "much older" Rezna from that ancient society propose an even older, earlier society from whence came their creation myths? And what if even that ancient, ancient society had their own creation myths? Again, couldn't an ancient, ancient Rezna make the same statement? Continua ad absurdum.

That is an example of why it's a waste of time to believe in something for which there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever.

QUOTE(rezna @ Feb 27 2007, 02:34 PM) [snapback]1560646[/snapback]
Now here's a great scenario:

Say global warming does completely screw us over. And lets say it's starts happening in 2012, just for fun! And then it obliterates our society. Volcanos, earthquakes, super storms, galactic debree falling to earth, meteors, etc. It all happens and a lot of us die (could take a lot of time for this to happen, just humor me)...

... Thus, for the rest of time, the greco-roman war is told completely wrong to everyone after that one person screwed it up.

Now, why couldn't this have happened with say, Noah's flood story? I think it did. Or Atlantis? I think it did. Or any of the other myths and stories we here from all kinds of cultures, in all kinds of centuries, etc. Dragons, sea monsters, adam and eve, atlantis, noahs flood or a big flood in general, "a man who came down from the sky", a man who came from across the ocean, there are so many of these stories! DISCUSS!

I'm certain it did happen with the flood story, though I'd hesitate to call it Noah's. The Biblical flood story comes from Babylonia originally and was misappropriated by the Hebrews in Babylon.

As far as Atlantis goes, I must say that there's just no chance at all that this happened. There is just no traditional "Atlantis story" that is embedded in any Greek mythology or tradition. It's only mentioned in ancient times in two dialogues by Plato. Nothing at all before that. Nobody after that either. None of the Greeks that came right after Plato mention Atlantis at all, except when critiqueing Plato's writings. Atlantis is not really heard from again in any way until Donnalley's book near the end of the 19th century.

Sea monsters, now, that's another story. I'm seriously on the side of many cryptozoologists. Within the last ten years, a new species of whale was discovered. Now, we've been hunting whales for a long time, long enough to almost wipe them out, but only recently found a new species? Just try to convince me that we know anything at all about what lives down there.

Did you see those pics of the giant squid (the first ever taken of a live one) that Japanese scientist got last year?

Won't catch me in the ocean. unsure.gif

Harte
rezna
Ok I see what you mean when it comes to Atlantis. It is true that cultures don't refer to it by that name. I don't neccessarily think Atlantis existed by that name or the descriptions. What I do think is that there could have been a large culture, ancient in origin, and it's story was passed down in such a way that I described. I think it could be that culture turned into the Atlantis story for the Egyptians who shared it with Plato, and other cultures have stories of ancient cultures, large in size and power, as well as NOT being called Atlantis.

Anyways, the sea is fascinating. I think there could be tons of things down there we have no idea about. I think for sure there is more of a chance that beasts had more going on than we think. Dragons, sea monsters, giants, etc. I think many of those things did exist and we haven't found their bones. Cause in this world, you have to have the bones of something for it to exist.
Harte
QUOTE(rezna @ Feb 28 2007, 01:32 PM) [snapback]1562146[/snapback]
Ok I see what you mean when it comes to Atlantis. It is true that cultures don't refer to it by that name. I don't neccessarily think Atlantis existed by that name or the descriptions. What I do think is that there could have been a large culture, ancient in origin, and it's story was passed down in such a way that I described. I think it could be that culture turned into the Atlantis story for the Egyptians who shared it with Plato, and other cultures have stories of ancient cultures, large in size and power, as well as NOT being called Atlantis.

In the spirit of "humoring" you, I'll postulate along with you that such an ancient civilization could have existed. But the problem with what you say regarding the Egyptians here is that this idea also comes from Plato's Dialogues. Like with the Greeks, there's just no such myth embedded in Egyptian tradition either.

Ten thousand years (or nine thousand) is an awful long time for any oral tradition to remain. Look, we obviously are the descendants of people that were around in 10,000 BC (and even before) right? So, where's the rest of these folks' oral traditions? How come we only get Atlantis, a flood and some big white beard in the sky?

Harte
rezna
QUOTE(Harte @ Feb 28 2007, 12:37 PM) [snapback]1562248[/snapback]
How come we only get Atlantis, a flood and some big white beard in the sky?

Harte


LOL!

I don't know. It pisses me off. I don't get why around 50k ago we were travelling to other places on the globe, but supposedly the oldest culture is only 9k ago. What happened in that 40k years? We just sat in caves? Learned how to plant stuff? Wasn't there something going on? CMon!
airika
I have read through a portion of the provided link, which is full of extreme speculation and incoherant ramblings from robotic anderoids, invetro fertilization of aliens, robotic organ transplants, somatic cell transfer, alien DNA transfers, and gravitational time dilation, to alien crafts powered by chemical fuel. While everyone loves a good "conspiracy theory", I have to say that this one is a bit too far fetched for me. The major portion of "evidence" that is being used to support the theory of AA's (Ancient Astronauts), is the prehistoric sites in Central Somerset having a "coincidential pattern" with the constellation Canis Major. A pattern in the Coricancha Incuzco is felt to closely resemble the constellation Cygnus. The Giza pyramids "exactly mirror" the stars in Orion's belt on 10,540 BC. The most famous cathedrals in 10 french cities "have the same configuration as the stars in the constellation of Virgo." Even if these "findings" more then "closely resembled" the constellations, could that be construed as "proof of AA's celestial abode", or proof of great mathematicians and scientists?

The link also states that the AA's had a lower immune system, and couldn't tolerate our environment well, so the ancient civilizations had to burn animls and humans as sacrafices to "nourish the aliens with vapors", and help protect them against our germs. The excavations under the supposed "landing sites", being said to function as bomb shelters, or caverns of protection for the priests when the alien beings came and went, is purely speculation. The only people that know for sure the exact use of these structures are long gone.

Some of these "alien gods" were so frightful to look at, they took great care not to be seen. (Hmmmm, possible because they weren't even there?) This same site also states that we are a result of these "AA beings" colonizing the Earth, and that we are them. That alone makes no sense, and contradicts everything else stated above. If "we are them" then who exactly are "we" worshiping, and why then would "we" not know how to build these crafts?

It amazes me that so many people seem to forget there were at least 3 "dark ages" (meaning lack of documentation and the collapse of many civilizations), and along with them, massive amounts of information and technology was lost. Because such misfortune has occured, many feel that "Aliens must have done it". Although I didn't see a date as to when these pages were written, I did notice the quotes and "evidence" used was primarily from the 1970's or earlier. Much has changed since then in terms of scientific explainations, and research.
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