Full Version: Genetic Experimentation
Whether you believe it or not the government have done illegal genetic experiments, trust me i know. Some having unbelievable results this was about 20-25 years ago.
Do you have specific information? I believe they have too, and I would be interested in reading about it.
http://jivdaya.org/genetic_engineering.htm
"Scientists and biotech companies in some major countries of the world want to create new animals that produce more and ‘better’ meat, give up their valuable products such as wool more easily, and have organs that can be used in human transplants. It doesn’t stop there... many of the genetically modified crops now being field-tested in the US (and around the world) could not only have a devastating Jurassic-Park type impact on the global eco-system, but also hit agriculture-based third-world economies dependent on cash crops. Genetic engineering is a one-dimensional ‘reductionist-science’ that ignores the wider dynamics of life systems.
Genetic engineering primarily involves the introduction of genes containing DNA (deoxyribo-nucleus acid) procured from humans or animals into cells of bacteria, yeast or other animals. One of the outcomes is termed ‘Transgenic Animal’. These transgenic animals cannot be bred by natural/traditional selection or artificial insemination.
Donor females are given hormone injections and hormone impregnated sponges are also inserted directly into their reproductive tracts, so as to make them produce lots of egg-cells. This process has been termed ‘super-ovulation’. These eggs are then artificially inseminated either manually or surgically. Next the embryos are collected by further surgery or slaughter. These embryos are then injected with foreign DNA containing the genes of preferable traits, and then transferred into foster mothers, by surgery again.
It takes 80 donors and recipient animals to produce only one transgenic cow -- if everything works perfectly -- which is VERY rare.
Once the transgenic animal is produced, its suffering just about starts... for example, non-porcine genes have been added to pigs, producing animals with gastric ulcers, liver and kidney disorders, lameness, damaged eye-sight, loss of co-ordination, sensitivity to pneumonia and diabetic conditions.
Genetic engineering research is most often carried out on animals such as pigs, mice, sheep, farm animals, fish and sometimes, even on some plants such as the tomato, tobacco and corn.
Vegetarians around the world are seriously wondering whether the food they are eating is actually vegetarian. In the case of Flavor Savor as they are usually called, tomatoes are genetically altered by introducing into them genes from a fish, the Arctic Flounder, so as to reduce freezer damage, to enable them to have a longer shelf-life, to ripen longer on the tree while remaining firm at the time of picking and transporting and to make them bigger and tastier as well. No layman can make out the difference between Flavor Savor and a normal tomato which is primarily why staunch vegetarians want the altered tomatoes labeled."
"Similarly, scientists have managed to grow liver, skin, cartilage, bone, ureters, heart valves, tendons, intestines, blood-vessels and breast-tissue with such polymers. But, if the idea of reversing the experiment (substitute the mice with humans) came about, people would call it blasphemous! No thought for the animals is involved. The extent to which these experiments will go is uncertain. A change will only come about when scientists realize the animals’ right to live a normal, healthy life, without man tampering with their genes.
Pigs are also grown transgenetically, so that their organs can be transplanted into humans. Transgenic pigs were first produced in 1985. Scientists have succeeded in making the required organs in pigs capable of producing human cells. These proteins they hope will trick the human immune system while transplanting the organ(s) so that the recipient does not react to the foreign tissue.
Another example is that of sheep that have been injected with hormones, bioengineered to cause wool-shedding to produce the so-called ‘self-shearing’ sheep. This is done in Australia, where, unfortunately for the sheep, the climate is mostly hot and sunny. As a result, some sheep experience an increased rate of abortion. WHERE ON EARTH WILL IT ALL END?
Talking about sheep, meanwhile, Welsh Mountain clone sheep are living proof that life can be created without sperm! A scientist at Rosalin Institute created them by fusing a cell grown in the laboratory with an empty sheep-egg through a spark of electricity. Imagine growing a sheep in a lab-
dish! Ironically, when pondering about doing the same with human beings, scientists find it ‘unethical’!
In another bizarre experiment, Indian scientists at the Nimbalkar Research Institute, Phaltan, Maharashtra, have, by artificial insemination, created an animal with goat-head and the body of a cow. This animal grows fatter faster and the volume of meat has therefore increased.
Scientists claim that they can, and will make genetically-altered animals that will help cure human diseases and illnesses; well, transgenic research has been going on for nearly 20 years, and it still has not cured a single human illness. But illnesses like diabetes, blindness, lameness and cancer (among others) have all been produced unexpectedly in animals subjected to these ridiculous experiments. Genetic engineering at lengths such as these, are a symbol of consumerism gone berserk. Is it really fair that animals and their environment face the brunt of our insatiable curiosity?
Considering that "to err is human" the probabilities of a mis-judgement or mis-step or mis-reaction resulting in a catastrophe are very high. And in such an eventuality, it will be next to impossible to trick the genie (or ‘gene’) back into the bottle (test-tube)."
"Scientists and biotech companies in some major countries of the world want to create new animals that produce more and ‘better’ meat, give up their valuable products such as wool more easily, and have organs that can be used in human transplants. It doesn’t stop there... many of the genetically modified crops now being field-tested in the US (and around the world) could not only have a devastating Jurassic-Park type impact on the global eco-system, but also hit agriculture-based third-world economies dependent on cash crops. Genetic engineering is a one-dimensional ‘reductionist-science’ that ignores the wider dynamics of life systems.
Genetic engineering primarily involves the introduction of genes containing DNA (deoxyribo-nucleus acid) procured from humans or animals into cells of bacteria, yeast or other animals. One of the outcomes is termed ‘Transgenic Animal’. These transgenic animals cannot be bred by natural/traditional selection or artificial insemination.
Donor females are given hormone injections and hormone impregnated sponges are also inserted directly into their reproductive tracts, so as to make them produce lots of egg-cells. This process has been termed ‘super-ovulation’. These eggs are then artificially inseminated either manually or surgically. Next the embryos are collected by further surgery or slaughter. These embryos are then injected with foreign DNA containing the genes of preferable traits, and then transferred into foster mothers, by surgery again.
It takes 80 donors and recipient animals to produce only one transgenic cow -- if everything works perfectly -- which is VERY rare.
Once the transgenic animal is produced, its suffering just about starts... for example, non-porcine genes have been added to pigs, producing animals with gastric ulcers, liver and kidney disorders, lameness, damaged eye-sight, loss of co-ordination, sensitivity to pneumonia and diabetic conditions.
Genetic engineering research is most often carried out on animals such as pigs, mice, sheep, farm animals, fish and sometimes, even on some plants such as the tomato, tobacco and corn.
Vegetarians around the world are seriously wondering whether the food they are eating is actually vegetarian. In the case of Flavor Savor as they are usually called, tomatoes are genetically altered by introducing into them genes from a fish, the Arctic Flounder, so as to reduce freezer damage, to enable them to have a longer shelf-life, to ripen longer on the tree while remaining firm at the time of picking and transporting and to make them bigger and tastier as well. No layman can make out the difference between Flavor Savor and a normal tomato which is primarily why staunch vegetarians want the altered tomatoes labeled."
"Similarly, scientists have managed to grow liver, skin, cartilage, bone, ureters, heart valves, tendons, intestines, blood-vessels and breast-tissue with such polymers. But, if the idea of reversing the experiment (substitute the mice with humans) came about, people would call it blasphemous! No thought for the animals is involved. The extent to which these experiments will go is uncertain. A change will only come about when scientists realize the animals’ right to live a normal, healthy life, without man tampering with their genes.
Pigs are also grown transgenetically, so that their organs can be transplanted into humans. Transgenic pigs were first produced in 1985. Scientists have succeeded in making the required organs in pigs capable of producing human cells. These proteins they hope will trick the human immune system while transplanting the organ(s) so that the recipient does not react to the foreign tissue.
Another example is that of sheep that have been injected with hormones, bioengineered to cause wool-shedding to produce the so-called ‘self-shearing’ sheep. This is done in Australia, where, unfortunately for the sheep, the climate is mostly hot and sunny. As a result, some sheep experience an increased rate of abortion. WHERE ON EARTH WILL IT ALL END?
Talking about sheep, meanwhile, Welsh Mountain clone sheep are living proof that life can be created without sperm! A scientist at Rosalin Institute created them by fusing a cell grown in the laboratory with an empty sheep-egg through a spark of electricity. Imagine growing a sheep in a lab-
dish! Ironically, when pondering about doing the same with human beings, scientists find it ‘unethical’!
In another bizarre experiment, Indian scientists at the Nimbalkar Research Institute, Phaltan, Maharashtra, have, by artificial insemination, created an animal with goat-head and the body of a cow. This animal grows fatter faster and the volume of meat has therefore increased.
Scientists claim that they can, and will make genetically-altered animals that will help cure human diseases and illnesses; well, transgenic research has been going on for nearly 20 years, and it still has not cured a single human illness. But illnesses like diabetes, blindness, lameness and cancer (among others) have all been produced unexpectedly in animals subjected to these ridiculous experiments. Genetic engineering at lengths such as these, are a symbol of consumerism gone berserk. Is it really fair that animals and their environment face the brunt of our insatiable curiosity?
Considering that "to err is human" the probabilities of a mis-judgement or mis-step or mis-reaction resulting in a catastrophe are very high. And in such an eventuality, it will be next to impossible to trick the genie (or ‘gene’) back into the bottle (test-tube)."
"Another example is that of sheep that have been injected with hormones, bioengineered to cause wool-shedding to produce the so-called ‘self-shearing’ sheep. This is done in Australia, where, unfortunately for the sheep, the climate is mostly hot and sunny. As a result, some sheep experience an increased rate of abortion."
"Origin of BSE
.... the BSE Inquiry, Based on clinical signs, there's an account of the existence of two main strains of scrapie known since 1961.
Type I Scrapie: This type causes sheep to lose their wool and is the common type.
Type II Scrapie: The rarer form of scrapie. It shows up in sheep as trembling ataxia. Clinically it is the same in its major symptoms as BSE and a typical CJD cases.
Prusiner now also believes as he told a scientific meeting in Birmingham, in June 2000 that his colleague Mike Scott now believes that sheep carry two strains of the agent, the scrapie prion and the BSE prion while MAFF have not got a clue where BSE came from.
This brings Prusiner's group closer to Narang's research findings that the agent is a virus. "
As I've first heard about genetic engineers working on ways of getting sheep to shed their wool nearly at least 20 to 25 years ago.... and now hearing about the link to BSE... !!!!!!!!.. scary!!!..
What in tarnation? 
We are the devil.
We are the devil.
"One of the laboratories which conducted genetic manipulations is the Institute of Reproductive Medicine in New Jersey. The scientists of this Institute tried to work out a method to treat woman’s infertility: the donated mithochondria from a healthy woman were transplanted in the ovule of the infertile woman. The children that were born as a result of such experiments had both parental and donated genes – the change of genetic code was confirmed by laboratory studies. There are opponents of such experiments in the whole world. The manipulations with human genotype are forbidden in most countries. The opponents have two arguments – the ethical and the scientific one. It is not completely clear which consequences these genetic changes can bring about, that is a scientific aspect of the problem"
http://english.pravda.ru/society/2001/05/05/4802.html
http://humrep.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/conte...stract/16/3/513
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Other clinics around the world, following Dr. Cohen’s lead, have allowed women with this disorder to have 15 additional babies.
So what is the uproar all about?
The cytoplasm of a human cell is not a simple uniform mixture. It contains a variety of tiny inclusions, sort of like fruit suspended in Jello. Among the many kinds in a human egg are some 1000 bacteria-sized objects called mitochondria.
It comes as no surprise that Dr. Cohen’s needle sucked up a few mitochondria in the course of ooplasmic transfer. Why has this fact created alarm in the press?
Mitochondria are relict bacteria, taken up in the distant past by the early ancestors of today’s animal cells. Over more than a billion years, most of the mitochontrial genes have passed to the cell’s nucleus.
Not quite all of them, however. Thirteen genes remain in mitochondria, all involved in the final stages of extracting energy from food molecules.
That is what has so alarmed the Post Dispatch: the mitochondria transferred by Dr. Cohen contain DNA.
How much? Human mitochondrial DNA uses exactly 16,569 nucleotides to encode 13 genes. That’s one two-millionth of the 3.2 billion nucleotides that the nuclear DNA uses to encode some 30,000 genes. To get a sense of the minute amount of DNA in a mitochondrion, image selecting one number from Southwestern Bell’s Greater Saint Louis phone book, or one word from 17 copies of Webster’s New World Dictionary.
When examined, two of the 30 ooplasmic transfer babies proved to have received some of their mitochondria from the cytoplasm donor.
Are these two babies reason for alarm? Not in my judgement. There is no evidence that the donated mitochondria’s 13 genes differ in any way from normal. Far greater genetic modification occurs when someone smokes a cigarette whose chemicals mutate their DNA. While I would like to see some “laws with teeth” to prevent this cigarette-driven form of gene modification, I am delighted that Dr. Cohen was able to help 30 women have much-wanted children. I don’t think we need be afraid of them.
http://www.txtwriter.com/Onscience/Article...NAtransfer.html
http://english.pravda.ru/society/2001/05/05/4802.html
http://humrep.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/conte...stract/16/3/513
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Other clinics around the world, following Dr. Cohen’s lead, have allowed women with this disorder to have 15 additional babies.
So what is the uproar all about?
The cytoplasm of a human cell is not a simple uniform mixture. It contains a variety of tiny inclusions, sort of like fruit suspended in Jello. Among the many kinds in a human egg are some 1000 bacteria-sized objects called mitochondria.
It comes as no surprise that Dr. Cohen’s needle sucked up a few mitochondria in the course of ooplasmic transfer. Why has this fact created alarm in the press?
Mitochondria are relict bacteria, taken up in the distant past by the early ancestors of today’s animal cells. Over more than a billion years, most of the mitochontrial genes have passed to the cell’s nucleus.
Not quite all of them, however. Thirteen genes remain in mitochondria, all involved in the final stages of extracting energy from food molecules.
That is what has so alarmed the Post Dispatch: the mitochondria transferred by Dr. Cohen contain DNA.
How much? Human mitochondrial DNA uses exactly 16,569 nucleotides to encode 13 genes. That’s one two-millionth of the 3.2 billion nucleotides that the nuclear DNA uses to encode some 30,000 genes. To get a sense of the minute amount of DNA in a mitochondrion, image selecting one number from Southwestern Bell’s Greater Saint Louis phone book, or one word from 17 copies of Webster’s New World Dictionary.
When examined, two of the 30 ooplasmic transfer babies proved to have received some of their mitochondria from the cytoplasm donor.
Are these two babies reason for alarm? Not in my judgement. There is no evidence that the donated mitochondria’s 13 genes differ in any way from normal. Far greater genetic modification occurs when someone smokes a cigarette whose chemicals mutate their DNA. While I would like to see some “laws with teeth” to prevent this cigarette-driven form of gene modification, I am delighted that Dr. Cohen was able to help 30 women have much-wanted children. I don’t think we need be afraid of them.
http://www.txtwriter.com/Onscience/Article...NAtransfer.html
You think thats bad? 20-25 Years ago the experimented on human subjects in a project called the M.A.S files M.A.S stands for Mercenaries And Soldiers. Hoping to make some what super soldiers, The First "BATCH" went bad they became hidiously deformed and were shut down the second showed no immediate results but showed increased strength and speed as they reached puberty this ofcourse wasn't enough they went on attempting to create a human from scratch and making him Fast And Strong, I do not know what happened to this individual,
You won't find this online but i believe that it is important that atleast a few people must know,
You won't find this online but i believe that it is important that atleast a few people must know,
I remember when I was younger and hearing about our government doing similar experiments but stopped because 8 out of 10 times the result was female.
of course it may well have been nothing more than urban legend , but you never know.
It may be a shaky now but no doubt they will continue to try -
A mouse has been created in the laboratory by a technique that does
away with the need for males in reproduction, a breakthrough that
raises the prospect of fatherless babies.
The mouse was generated from two unfertilised eggs and its birth has
demonstrated for the first time that it is possible for mammals to be
born by the "virgin birth" phenomenon of parthenogenesis.
Scientists said the mouse developed normally to adulthood and had
offspring of its own by normal sexual reproduction, showing
parthenogenesis could work on warm-blooded mammals, including humans.
...........................
The British team who created Dolly the cloned sheep was given a
licence last year by the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority
(HFEA) to activate human eggs using parthenogenesis to generate
embryonic stem cells, but not to produce embryos for implanting into a
woman's womb.
The HFEA said its decision was partly justified because human eggs
activated during parthenogenesis did not have the potential to develop
into a child, a statement now undermined by the Japanese research in
the journal Nature.
Parthenogenesis differs from the cloning technique used to create
Dolly because it results in embryos developing entirely from
unfertilised eggs rather than embryos resulting from eggs combined
with the ordinary cells of the body. Dr Kono's team used 598 mouse
eggs to generate enough viable embryos by parthenogenesis to
impregnate 26 females, resulting in 24 pregnancies.
Of the 10 live and 18 dead foetuses, two survived birth and just one
lived long enough to develop into an apparently normal adult female,
which the researchers have named Kaguya. In effect, Kaguya has two
genetic mothers. She was created by merging the chromosomes of a
genetically altered mouse with an egg from another mouse.
Until this study, it was thought to be impossible for mammals to
reproduce by parthenogenesis, a method of reproduction common in
reptiles and insects where identical female offspring can be quickly
produced when resources are limited. Dr Kono said his study had shown
that the crucial barrier to parthenogenesis in mice and other mammals
appeared to be a process of genetic "imprinting" when paternal and
maternal genes were selectively turned off and on.
http://www.mccmedia.com/pipermail/brin-l/W...419/018237.html
of course it may well have been nothing more than urban legend , but you never know.
It may be a shaky now but no doubt they will continue to try -
A mouse has been created in the laboratory by a technique that does
away with the need for males in reproduction, a breakthrough that
raises the prospect of fatherless babies.
The mouse was generated from two unfertilised eggs and its birth has
demonstrated for the first time that it is possible for mammals to be
born by the "virgin birth" phenomenon of parthenogenesis.
Scientists said the mouse developed normally to adulthood and had
offspring of its own by normal sexual reproduction, showing
parthenogenesis could work on warm-blooded mammals, including humans.
...........................
The British team who created Dolly the cloned sheep was given a
licence last year by the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority
(HFEA) to activate human eggs using parthenogenesis to generate
embryonic stem cells, but not to produce embryos for implanting into a
woman's womb.
The HFEA said its decision was partly justified because human eggs
activated during parthenogenesis did not have the potential to develop
into a child, a statement now undermined by the Japanese research in
the journal Nature.
Parthenogenesis differs from the cloning technique used to create
Dolly because it results in embryos developing entirely from
unfertilised eggs rather than embryos resulting from eggs combined
with the ordinary cells of the body. Dr Kono's team used 598 mouse
eggs to generate enough viable embryos by parthenogenesis to
impregnate 26 females, resulting in 24 pregnancies.
Of the 10 live and 18 dead foetuses, two survived birth and just one
lived long enough to develop into an apparently normal adult female,
which the researchers have named Kaguya. In effect, Kaguya has two
genetic mothers. She was created by merging the chromosomes of a
genetically altered mouse with an egg from another mouse.
Until this study, it was thought to be impossible for mammals to
reproduce by parthenogenesis, a method of reproduction common in
reptiles and insects where identical female offspring can be quickly
produced when resources are limited. Dr Kono said his study had shown
that the crucial barrier to parthenogenesis in mice and other mammals
appeared to be a process of genetic "imprinting" when paternal and
maternal genes were selectively turned off and on.
http://www.mccmedia.com/pipermail/brin-l/W...419/018237.html
Many animal experiments were done to test formulas they tried it on rats, monkeys, dogs, cats and god knows what else hundreds died, but the believed it was safe for human testing so they tested it on babies, like i said the first batch was bad, the seconds was better and no one knows about the 3rd, i am unsure if the are continuing these horrendous experiments but if they are they should be stopped. I understand experiments for medical reasons but what they did then was just trying to play god and it backfired so the did what they know best..... Covered it up like it never happened they do these experiments with no regard of the consequences that arise.
I don't have a problem with any of that, I for one would like to employ some of these men to make my super smart super strong super Wolfs so that i can put forth my plane to take over the world and kill you all...... 
Now just to come up with unlimited funds... any donations ????
Now just to come up with unlimited funds... any donations ????
I'd donate to that, sounds like a plan.
I am all for genetic experimentation, human cloning and human-animal hybrids(humanzees especially).
Great news....
Scientists triumph in battle over ban on hybrid embryos
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/s...icle1444186.ece
I am all for genetic experimentation, human cloning and human-animal hybrids(humanzees especially).
Great news....
Scientists triumph in battle over ban on hybrid embryos
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/s...icle1444186.ece
Yet, without our knowledge in the fields of genetics, many more people would be suffereing from severe illnesses.
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Vegetarians around the world are seriously wondering whether the food they are eating is actually vegetarian. In the case of Flavor Savor as they are usually called, tomatoes are genetically altered by introducing into them genes from a fish, the Arctic Flounder, so as to reduce freezer damage, to enable them to have a longer shelf-life, to ripen longer on the tree while remaining firm at the time of picking and transporting and to make them bigger and tastier as well. No layman can make out the difference between Flavor Savor and a normal tomato which is primarily why staunch vegetarians want the altered tomatoes labeled."
To be honest, vegetarians aren't vegetarians because they love animals, they're vegetarians because they hate plants.
LMAO good joke, i'll have to remember that one.
As for the topic of genetic experimentation, i'm all for it as well. i don't see why people should be so upset when a scientist makes a few cells to play with. as my dad always told me, better to be prepared than sorry. I doubt severely that America is the ONLY nation trying to come up with some sort of genetic hybrid.(no offense meant by this) I only hope that they have when the North Korean hybrids try to come kick my butt, ours are there to fight back. The fact is that however much certain religious groups or alternative life-style people want this to stop, it won't. I mean, the world in my opinion is in a cold war right now. everyone is just waiting for some one else to make a bad move. Like, some people got mad about iraq? give me a break we've been lucky so far. Genetically modifying our military is what we need to do. we need to be ready for when the crap Really hits the fan. thats my 2 cents.
As for the topic of genetic experimentation, i'm all for it as well. i don't see why people should be so upset when a scientist makes a few cells to play with. as my dad always told me, better to be prepared than sorry. I doubt severely that America is the ONLY nation trying to come up with some sort of genetic hybrid.(no offense meant by this) I only hope that they have when the North Korean hybrids try to come kick my butt, ours are there to fight back. The fact is that however much certain religious groups or alternative life-style people want this to stop, it won't. I mean, the world in my opinion is in a cold war right now. everyone is just waiting for some one else to make a bad move. Like, some people got mad about iraq? give me a break we've been lucky so far. Genetically modifying our military is what we need to do. we need to be ready for when the crap Really hits the fan. thats my 2 cents.
QUOTE(Dobbster @ Feb 26 2007, 12:33 AM) [snapback]1558441[/snapback]
You think thats bad? 20-25 Years ago the experimented on human subjects in a project called the M.A.S files M.A.S stands for Mercenaries And Soldiers. Hoping to make some what super soldiers, The First "BATCH" went bad they became hidiously deformed and were shut down the second showed no immediate results but showed increased strength and speed as they reached puberty this ofcourse wasn't enough they went on attempting to create a human from scratch and making him Fast And Strong, I do not know what happened to this individual,
You won't find this online but i believe that it is important that atleast a few people must know,
You won't find this online but i believe that it is important that atleast a few people must know,
Hi Dobbster:
I agree about the experimentation on humans, but from what I've learned it seems as though these experimentations are still going on in underground bases, and not only with humans but with animals. I believe that some of the strange animals that people have seen are actually chimeras created by these underground labs via genetic engineering experiments; and later they're let loose into the environment.
QUOTE(Isis2200 @ Mar 3 2007, 12:14 AM) [snapback]1565506[/snapback]
Hi Dobbster:
I agree about the experimentation on humans, but from what I've learned it seems as though these experimentations are still going on in underground bases, and not only with humans but with animals. I believe that some of the strange animals that people have seen are actually chimeras created by these underground labs via genetic engineering experiments; and later they're let loose into the environment.
I agree about the experimentation on humans, but from what I've learned it seems as though these experimentations are still going on in underground bases, and not only with humans but with animals. I believe that some of the strange animals that people have seen are actually chimeras created by these underground labs via genetic engineering experiments; and later they're let loose into the environment.
most likely to see how they do out in the wild. I keep seeing the reason for making hybrid human/animals its the next best thing to using robots to fight wars. You think the government would think twice about using a human/gorilla? never all thats keeping them back is how to control it.
QUOTE(Isis2200 @ Mar 2 2007, 05:14 PM) [snapback]1565506[/snapback]
Hi Dobbster:
I agree about the experimentation on humans, but from what I've learned it seems as though these experimentations are still going on in underground bases, and not only with humans but with animals. I believe that some of the strange animals that people have seen are actually chimeras created by these underground labs via genetic engineering experiments; and later they're let loose into the environment.
I agree about the experimentation on humans, but from what I've learned it seems as though these experimentations are still going on in underground bases, and not only with humans but with animals. I believe that some of the strange animals that people have seen are actually chimeras created by these underground labs via genetic engineering experiments; and later they're let loose into the environment.
ok so you think the goverment genetically alterers humans with what ever animal they want and let it loose? Why would "they" let them loose?
Yes scientists have been working on genetically altering animals to fit our needs, ie" getting a pig to grow a liver that is compaitable with a human or "monkey" that can have it's lungs adapted to be used in humans, more example's when you look.
Of course they are experimentations on humans, happens every day. Look at the line up for ****** when it came out,befor fully tested.
Just ask Silver Cougar what we should do to further science, and I have to agree with her.
No the goverment does not do these type of thing, so be quit
really would they mess with that hmmm you bet they wouldthe ****** spot I guess is to my mention of a drug that starts with v but the filters blank it out, It's the drug that give's you wood
my personal favorite genetic alteration are the goats that instead of making milk from the udders, they produce spider's silk. they use it to make stronger bullet proof vests for police officers. pretty cool if you ask me. wonder what they eat. lol, goats crawling on ceilings, people beating them with shoes..hee hee....
QUOTE(undersquiggle @ Mar 3 2007, 10:15 PM) [snapback]1566039[/snapback]
my personal favorite genetic alteration are the goats that instead of making milk from the udders, they produce spider's silk. they use it to make stronger bullet proof vests for police officers. pretty cool if you ask me. wonder what they eat. lol, goats crawling on ceilings, people beating them with shoes..hee hee....
I'm with Amy here... !!!!
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/End%20of%20...r_goat_milk.htm
"Got spider-goat milk?
Biotechnology blunders in the age of cloning
by Amy Bowler - Published on Monday, February 11, 2002
Biotechnology—good or evil? Recently, a friend told me of a story featured on the CBS Evening News about goats being bred with spiders to create bulletproof vests. Obviously, he was mildly intoxicated at the time and I didn't believe him right off—the physics of it just didn't work for me. That would have to be one big spider or one tiny goat.
Later, I checked it out on CBS.com and what do you know, he was right. Spider-goats—the latest in biotechnology. Granted, some lucky little spider and goat didn't "breed" exactly, but my friend had the basics down.
A company called Nexia has managed to put a spider gene into goats. The "spider-goats" (honest to God, that's what CBS called them) produce milk with a silk protein that is so strong and lightweight that the U.S. Army wants to make bullet proof vests out of it.
Now, I believe in technology and bettering the world we live in, but there's something missing from this happy little feature story that bothers me tremendously: All this spider gene does is make a silk protein in the goat's milk? Are we sure there are no other side effects? All I can picture are tiny eight-legged goats spinning spider webs. And with this I have a problem.
As our nation debates the rights and wrongs of human cloning, perhaps we should broaden our views to include animal rights as well. I've never been a particularly vocal animal rights advocate, but this is getting out of hand. Do you think Dolly the cloned sheep doesn't have some identity issues? I bet she does. And these spider-goats are even worse off... Am I goat? Am I a sheep? What the hell am I?
And we all know this won't be the end of it. Great, we can make super-strong silk. Fine. But what about when some comedian scientist decides to make giraffe-aardvarks or something. Zoos and circuses around the world will be hiring bioengineering companies to make freak-show animals and cart them around for people to laugh at.
Regulations must be set before these things happen. The government must look ahead, consider the possibilities, find out what scientists are considering and set regulations on how far they are allowed to go.
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or Laurence on his article .. 'Got Silk?'
“Oh, it’s not that weird,” Nexia’s president and C.E.O., Jeffrey D. Turner, says as we walk around the pens, being nibbled constantly by aroused goats. “What we’re doing here is ingeniously simple,” he says. “We take a single gene from a golden orb-weaving spider and put it into a goat egg. The idea is to make the goat secrete spider silk into its milk..............“In the future, animals will be our factories,” Turner says as we plod through the facility. “Very cheap factories”This is a land of silos and bleached cherry-red barns, somewhere between the St. Lawrence and Ottawa Rivers. “We need to be where people aren’t,” Turner explains. Nexia’s converted cabane a sucre and the surrounding land, purchased five years ago from a local farmer, look sweetly ordinary. But the new facilities are meticulously decontaminated. The company’s corporate headquarters are just 15 miles down the road, rising from the flatlands of Vaudreuil-Dorion like a futuristic castle keep. Inside, the corridors are freshly carpeted and sunlit; the labs are shiny and uncluttered and stocked with the latest gadgets.
These labs are known as “Class-100,000 rooms,” which means that each cubic yard of air contains less than 100,000 motes of dust. Staff members proudly show me the latest P.C.R. (polymerase chain reaction) machines — the photocopiers of the gene world — that look like high-tech adding machines. Pinned to the walls are some curious images derived from what is known as FISH analysis (the acronym stands for Fluorescent In Situ Hybridization.) These images show the goat genes as ghostly strands of dark orange, inside which one can clearly see the bright yellow segments of alien spider silk genes. Nearby are cute pinups of Nexia’s original four transgenic goats, Willow, Bay, Santiago and Zeus.
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