If there were any doubt to what I believe, then there isn't much point to believing it.

What if you are wrong?

I don't believe in god but if the christian god exists then when I die he will forgive me for not believing and I shall go to the ball. If for any reason I ends up in hell, I'll be too busy hanging out with my friends to worry about it!

You assume here that only the Christian belief in the Christian gods is the correct belief and there is nothing else. A proponent of the environment within which you were raised ?

Now, have you ever asked yourself the same question?

Hehe yeah,if I am wrong about my beliefs, that doesn't mean the Christians are necessarily right.

i am so very sorry for taking it the wrong way. its just that some kinda take offence on these threads. so again i am sorry. the reason for this thread was just to find out how people here felt about the subject. i was not raised to know jesus until i met my husband. i was in my 20's. it wasnt because of the fear of hell or because of greed as some believe. it was because i wanted to experience what it was like to have a closeness with him. the fear of hell came later. who wouldnt. people make religion alot harder then it is. you have to believe that jesus is the son of god and that he died on the cross for your sins and that he rose on the third day and that he now is in heaven with his father. you have to ask him to forgive you of anything you have done wrong.(now is the time for all who want to, to roll your eyes). it is not for everyone i am finding out. i used to think that most people believed in god. boy was i wrong. but to each his own. angain i am sorry

if i am wrong then none of this will matter.

When I die and if I arrive at the pearly gates...I'd turn around, pull down my pants, bend over... and I expect I'll be in the fourth level of Hell before I spread my cheeks.

i have nothing to loose if i am wrong. i was not raised this way.

Yours is a common misconception by those who presume to think that the Christian following has the rights to the belief in God.

You might for example find that your devil whom you think is responsible for fooling mankind is in fact fooling you and not everyone else.

You might find that your clerical leaders are nothing more than charletans preying upon the easily deceived--those they term the "flock" for their willingness to just follow their exploitation of the human condition to be led.

You might find that you do after all pray to a man whom you and countless others have been deceived into thinking is God who found it necessary to create all of mankind yet damn all but the offspring of one man. Or

You might find that all but the offspring of one man was in fact the elected of said God and those of that offspring who chose to rewrite his word are the worst kind of blasphemers. Or

You might find that you gave up the right to think for yourself instead relying on what was supposed to be just a mythological and metaphorically filled accounting of god as written about by man starting 2700 or so years ago. Or

You could find yourself coming to grips with believing in the wrong son of Abraham, or

You could find that your Jesus does not sit at the right hand of god as that space is already occupied by either, Enoch or or Isaiah or Elijah or Muhammed. Or

That your Jesus was in fact crucified because he was actually a thief, murderer, and insurgent--terrorist.

You could find yourself with no judgement at all because the cause you choose to believe in does not operate in the way you perceive or even have the slightest bit interest in us humans. or

You could find ---absolutely after you die you cease to exist period.

Your statement may have been presented in an effort to claim the high road to god, but it is laden with wishful thinking.

Why, if you didn't have the fear before, would you have it after you found jesus?



The funny thing is....... A LOT of people believe in god. They just believe in either a different god than yours, or practice a variant of your religion.

Just because your faith teaches you that it is the "ONLY" way, doesn't mean that it is correct.

Did you ever hear of a religion that said it WASN'T the true faith?
Ever hear a muslim say "well, Allah is false, and the christians have it right, I'm just being contrary?"


And just as an aside, why is it that the christians (all sects) and the muslims are so hot to prove they have it right? Of all the religions I know of, those two are the most vocal about converting to their path.

what i was saying is when i found out about hell i knew it was some place i didnt want to go. i care about what happens to people. my walk with the lord has put in me to care. i know that alot lf you are really good people. you do lots of good for others. that is not what i am saying. i care about peoples souls. i am not trying to shove my beliefs on anyone. just talking.

i have to admit that i have heard some things on here that have made me roll my eyes but you take the cake. i have not insulted anyone on here and i expected the same. i dont talk bad about anyones beliefs and i expect the same in return. you really have some issues you need to take care of. if this is what is allowed here then i dont think this is the place for me. you better pray that i am wrong in what i believe or you are really going to have some big problems. i have really enjoyed the tit-for-tat threads here and thought that maybe it was a place to voice how we feel about the subject but i can only go so far. christainity is blasted in here by some. so i am bowing out. thats to all of you that have showed so real class. i will remember you all in prayer.lol

Sorry to intrude, but I think you are mis-interpreting 67thbooks post. I think that what he was trying to say is that you have a faith. You may find that once you reach the otherside, your faith was misplaced.

Please note the wording of 67th's post: He uses the word "might"

For after all, one may believe in his or her faith, but that doesn't make it true.
On the other hand, you might find that your faith was well placed, and the afterlife is everything you believe it to be.


But, if you feel you must leave, that is too bad. I wish you well on your journey

I could say by your response previously that you insulted others, but I won't debate using excuses.

What I will say however, is that your presumption was totally biased to your own beliefs and stated without consideration for any other. If by my pointing out the obviousness of the flaw within your thinking I have insulted you then you need to sit back and reflect on how your idealistic Christian utterances leave totally disregard the views of others or the possibility that their beliefs may in fact be more righteous than your own.

Considering the sheer number of hells I'd be doomed to even if I wasn't an atheist and one of the various religions other than christianity turned out to be correct (Islamic hell, the Greco-Roman underworld, reincarnation on a lower level), it's far too much trouble to worry about this.

i would like to say i am so sorry for my little outburst. maybe i took it the wrong way, but with some the dislike for religion in here sometimes i feel like my back is up against the wall so to speak. maybe what i mean doesnt come across the right way, but i feel kinda out numbered soom times. i am not putting down anyone. believe what you want. i just have a hard time when i see jesus being dumped on all the time. if you worship a tree that is fine with me and i would never call your tree names or tell you that you are stupid for worshiping that tree. i wish i had not started this thread. i just thought it would be a good topic to talk about. i will not be leaving the forum for i feel that there are not to many left that will take the side of christainity, so i guess i am here for the long haul. thanks floan

Sure it will. You see once gods are out of the picture all we have is each other. While sometimes burned bridges are easy to repair, other times the damage is "permanent". One has to be cautious when wearing faith on his sleeve.

If there really is some correct religion out there, then being a member of the wrong religion means you have possibly more to lose than an atheist. Heavens forbid if you are a christian missionary trying to convert muslims, and Islam turns out to be correct . . .

No apology necessary. Present your case as best as you can and not because you think you are all-knowing. The former is I presume, why you partake in online forums.

Your words speak to an argument laced with bias on your point of view though, and it is to these words I have responded because you presume that your belief is absolute. I make no apologies for my responses because as far as I can see, you have not considered how your words insult the belief of others.

Let me put it another way--do not get into the lion’s den if you are incapable of fending off the lion. You cannot expect that just because you have a point of view, all others will nod in agreement, you must be willing and capable to defend your position.

And I will dump(as you see it) on just not Jesus but on those who escalate such a character for I find no valid argument for the reverence of any new Biblical or historical person.

[quote name='67thbook' post='1574224' date='Mar 9 2007, 02:13 AM']No apology necessary. Present your case as best as you can and not because you think you are all-knowing. The former is I presume, why you partake in online forums.

Your words speak to an argument laced with bias on your point of view though, and it is to these words I have responded because you presume that your belief is absolute. I make no apologies for my responses because as far as I can see, you have not considered how your words insult the belief of others.

Let me put it another way--do not get into the lion’s den if you are incapable of fending off the lion. You cannot expect that just because you have a point of view, all others will nod in agreement, you must be willing and capable to defend your position.

And I will dump(as you see it) on just not Jesus but on those who escalate such a character for I find no valid argument for the reverence of any new Biblical or historical person.[/quote
i would never try to hurt anyone buy what i believe. why is my thinking what i believe is different then all the non-believers telling us we are wrong and calling god and jesus names. i am more then capable of getting in the lions den and fighting the lion, i just dont know how for i can go. i will catch on. just know that if you or anyone dumps on jesus i will comeback, but if i do hurt someones feeling the please tell me. that is not the way to get your point across. thanks for responding