A while back Ive been thinking about the traits and body function of a vampire .... yes yes I know they dont exist .... and Im not refering to the psychic vampires ... I mean typical bloody sucking vampires. People still today in some countries believe that these creatures exist!
Mind you that Ive come across a site when searching for "The legacy of Cain" and they said that there are people today that are vampires ... meaning they do drink blood and do have immortality (little at that because they only live to about 185 years), they get the blood from small rodents and birds otherwise from hospitals. This doesnt mean that they dont eat normal food either .... blood is apparently just part of their diets for a long life .... and apparently they look way younger too!!!

This is a list of things I thought about concerning vampires: Id love to know if ive missed anything or if someone has a different opinion.
1. Sunlight - To my understanding I have no idea why a human body would turn to dust by sunlight ... This is false.
2. Stake through the heart - Is also false because a vampire doesnt need a heart .... It doesnt pump blood .... so how can a heart that is not functioning kill a vampire if it was "staked"?
3. They fear a crusafix - False like hell ... a vampire should then never be able to leave the safety of its coffin because there are lots of crosses in a cemetry (for the vamps that were thought to be dead people).
4. Holy water - come on .... if the crosses dont work surely this is got to be a joke?
5. Garlic - True .... It cleans the blood - refer to herbalism - I think due to the vamp sucking on different people, having different peoples blood in its body, its blood would be screwie and considered dirty, I suppose if they had to somehow eat garlic they would probably malfunction ...... or something.
6. Decapitation - True! Anything that moves without a head attached to its body .... *RUN - THE - X - AWAY!* (Pardon my language)

The only time that the stake (which applies to all humans! ) and holy water could be true is if the person isnt a vampire but a possessed person. But then that would rule out the garlic ... Ive never heard of any demon that hates garlic. Years ago they could have mistaken a possessed person for a vampire! The level of stupidity back then wouldnt surprise me.

As for a vampires body ....
A friend of mine had a nice explaination for this one: that it might be that they use their teeth like straws to suck blood ... it goes directly into their nerves from their teeth ... will explain why the heart is not needed.
They are pale, because they prefered to come out and hunt at night - meaning no sun ... also less risk of being seeing and killed, and a loss of blood will pale a person!
And they dont fly nor turn into bats!

Any thought on the above?
And where did the myth first originate from and how?

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[quote name='Staari' date='Feb 26 2007, 07:29 AM' post='1558745']
A while back Ive been thinking about the traits and body function of a vampire .... yes yes I know they dont exist .... and Im not refering to the psychic vampires ... I mean typical bloody sucking vampires. People still today in some countries believe that these creatures exist!
Mind you that Ive come across a site when searching for "The legacy of Cain" and they said that there are people today that are vampires ... meaning they do drink blood and do have immortality (little at that because they only live to about 185 years), they get the blood from small rodents and birds otherwise from hospitals. This doesnt mean that they dont eat normal food either .... blood is apparently just part of their diets for a long life .... and apparently they look way younger too!!![QUOTE]

Sanguinarians are as close to real vampires as there are. We do need blood for health, not survival. Yes we eat normal foods. No we don't live any longer than anyone else nor do we look any younger. The 185 years or so comes from the belief of some that there is a type of vampire called an inheritor. (more on types later)
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This is a list of things I thought about concerning vampires: Id love to know if ive missed anything or if someone has a different opinion.
1. Sunlight - To my understanding I have no idea why a human body would turn to dust by sunlight ... This is false.
2. Stake through the heart - Is also false because a vampire doesnt need a heart .... It doesnt pump blood .... so how can a heart that is not functioning kill a vampire if it was "staked"?
3. They fear a crusafix - False like hell ... a vampire should then never be able to leave the safety of its coffin because there are lots of crosses in a cemetry (for the vamps that were thought to be dead people).
4. Holy water - come on .... if the crosses dont work surely this is got to be a joke?
5. Garlic - True .... It cleans the blood - refer to herbalism - I think due to the vamp sucking on different people, having different peoples blood in its body, its blood would be screwie and considered dirty, I suppose if they had to somehow eat garlic they would probably malfunction ...... or something.
6. Decapitation - True! Anything that moves without a head attached to its body .... *RUN - THE - X - AWAY!* (Pardon my language)

The only time that the stake (which applies to all humans! ) and holy water could be true is if the person isnt a vampire but a possessed person. But then that would rule out the garlic ... Ive never heard of any demon that hates garlic. Years ago they could have mistaken a possessed person for a vampire! The level of stupidity back then wouldnt surprise me. [QUOTE]

Sunlight - mostly false, most f us are a bit more photosensitive, but nothing drastic, certainly we don't burn to cinders. LOL
Stake - Sure it would kill us, you too. And yeah we do need a heart to pump our blood.
Crucifix- false, some of us wear them, decorate out homes with them
Holy Water - yeah it gets us wet and ruins our wool suits
Garlic - false, some don't like it, but that's personal taste, nothing to do with blood since we do not directly have other peoples blood in our circulatory system.
Decapitation - Yeah and it would kill you as well
Mirrors - Hey some of us are a bit vain, we all use them to groom ourselves.

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As for a vampires body ....
A friend of mine had a nice explaination for this one: that it might be that they use their teeth like straws to suck blood ... it goes directly into their nerves from their teeth ... will explain why the heart is not needed.
They are pale, because they prefered to come out and hunt at night - meaning no sun ... also less risk of being seeing and killed, and a loss of blood will pale a person!
And they dont fly nor turn into bats!

Any thought on the above?
And where did the myth first originate from and how?


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Teeth, well except that a few have naturally longer canines (so do a few of the rest of you) we don't have fangs. We are not exceptionally pale though yes many avoid the sun due to photo sensitivity but, as for blood loss - not unless we are injured, same as you. We don't hunt so that shots that theory out of the water.

Now for the types of vampires:

Sanguinarian - Blood feeder, normal human lifespan. Can be photosensitive, but some are not. Does not have fangs or take victims. Can survive w/o blood. REAL

Psi (Psychic) - Direct energy feeder, normal human lifespan, same as a sanguinarian except the feeding method. REAL

Inheritor - Blood feeder, can eat normal food but prefers not to. Lives apx 200 - 500 years. Cannot survive w/o blood. Does not generally kill but can. - NOT REAL just theory

Classical - Also called traditional, ageless, immortal. Blood feeder, does not eat normal food. Lives potentially forever, but can be killed by a severe enough injury that is beyond thier regenerative ability. Highly photosensitive, but will not die from sunlight. Does hunt and kill. Possesses super sped, strength and superior mental skills. Some are said to shape shift if they have ever been possessed by an ancient spirit such as Baphomet or Osiris. Only the eldest have pyrokinesis. Have fangs, but not the typical two sen in movies, they have 8. - NOT REAL, myth fiction, wishful thinking. Some say they are and can make others.

Some will disagree, but that's the basics of what is running about the vampire community currently.

Vlad Tepes, Elizabeth Batory and others have contributed t the legends, Brahm Stoker and Mary Shelly probably did more to further the legend than any others, Anne Rice brought classicals into the moder age more than most. All fiction

vampires exist
i have proof
and i'm not talking about psy vampires
i'm talking about count dracula @ lost boys vampires
they are real

Vampires do not exist in any form. It is a lifestyle(or mental problem) choice. Not a physical one

lol..vampires huh?..whats your proof?

I WISH DUDE! lost boys rocked!
but unfortunately closest thing to that is people who like the way blood tastes...

our world would be a much more interesting place with different types of human forms...kinda a let down

First, I'd like to se what proof you have of the classical (traditional, ageless) vampires. Second, yes there ar at least 100 lifestylers for every real vampire, a term we dislike but, accept since sanguinarian or psi (psy) tends to require rather lengthy explanations. There are, however those who need to feed, and most of us are not rave regulars or goths. We have normal lives, bankers, lawyers, teachers, farmers, ranchers, medical and science professions, any career any other person might chose.
For the lifstylers there are clubs, covens, feeding circles etc.... and it is just an enjoyable activity when they have time for it. For a few, it's more, a fact of our lives, not a choice. We do endure both physical and psychological effects if we either cannot, or chose not to, feed for extended periods of time. No we won't die but it's certainly not pleasant. Some cope better and longer than others, but eventually, if we do not feed we will vamp (lose control of the need and get more than a bit desperate) That is more common for sanguinarians since a psi can ambient feed from a crowd, or worse, feed secretly from a victim. Sanguinarians don't have even that option, we need blood and can't simply take it, nor can we accept just anyone who offers. There are safety and health concerns that MUST be addressed first.
I can't imagine anyone wanting to be one of us, it is not glamorous or fun, we have no super human abilities or defenses, we are not immortal or wealthy. All we have is one need that is, at times impossible to meet as it is currently for me due an error in judgement on the part of my donor.

Jeeze, vampires coming up again? Well, as for what you said about people in some countries beleiving that the undead vampires still exist, they may just see people with this disease and scream vampire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophyria#Signs_and_symptoms

Personally, i do believe in the classic "immortal" vampire.. i believe that there was one (not vlad the impaler), who made many, and are now few. my own logic points me away, and science points me away, but i believe it anyway.

EDIT: and just in case anyone does watch anime in here, i may as well point it out first, my display picture is a Bounto (mistaken as vampires) from Bleach.

Now why are these vampires?
Explain please.


Please oh please oh please ..... GIVE ME PROOF!!!!!
Strangely the same friend said that vampires exist, the ones that have no reflection and suck blood ... it makes me wonder

SUPPLY PROOF!
And tell me why you say they are real.

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First, I'd like to se what proof you have of the classical (traditional, ageless) vampires. Second, yes there ar at least 100 lifestylers for every real vampire, a term we dislike but, accept since sanguinarian or psi (psy) tends to require rather lengthy explanations. There are, however those who need to feed, and most of us are not rave regulars or goths. We have normal lives, bankers, lawyers, teachers, farmers, ranchers, medical and science professions, any career any other person might chose.
For the lifstylers there are clubs, covens, feeding circles etc.... and it is just an enjoyable activity when they have time for it. For a few, it's more, a fact of our lives, not a choice. We do endure both physical and psychological effects if we either cannot, or chose not to, feed for extended periods of time. No we won't die but it's certainly not pleasant. Some cope better and longer than others, but eventually, if we do not feed we will vamp (lose control of the need and get more than a bit desperate) That is more common for sanguinarians since a psi can ambient feed from a crowd, or worse, feed secretly from a victim. Sanguinarians don't have even that option, we need blood and can't simply take it, nor can we accept just anyone who offers. There are safety and health concerns that MUST be addressed first.
I can't imagine anyone wanting to be one of us, it is not glamorous or fun, we have no super human abilities or defenses, we are not immortal or wealthy. All we have is one need that is, at times impossible to meet as it is currently for me due an error in judgement on the part of my donor.

You sparked my attention .... please explain the "We" you keep refering to.
To my understanding vampirism isnt a lifestyle it is a type of being.

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Jeeze, vampires coming up again? Well, as for what you said about people in some countries beleiving that the undead vampires still exist, they may just see people with this disease and scream vampire.

My appologies if youve read countless amounts of topics concerning vampires, you didnt have to read this one - you chose too and thanks for taking the time ..... btw ..... i do agree with you on the disease thing. Like I said "the level of stupidity back then wouldnt surprise me!".

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Personally, i do believe in the classic "immortal" vampire.. i believe that there was one (not vlad the impaler), who made many, and are now few. my own logic points me away, and science points me away, but i believe it anyway.

EDIT: and just in case anyone does watch anime in here, i may as well point it out first, my display picture is a Bounto (mistaken as vampires) from Bleach.

Ps: Love anime!

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Vampires in their romanticised form, do not exist.

But i'm awear of a mental disorder affecting people. And of course, there is the auternative lifestylers too.

i think vampire is just abnormality, like some gang addicted to blood. well, in my place, coagulated (animal)blood are popular food.. taste like chiken

First, I'd rather use the term sanguinarian but, the modern world has decided to call us vampires because we do feed on blood, from a human donor if possible and, many of us are photo sensitive and do take precautions from the sun. Some, like myself are more photo sensitive than others, even artificial lights can be too bright, computer monitors have to be dimmed and in out homes nothing over a 40 watt bulb for reading and 25 or less otherwise.
We are human, well unless you consider needing and being able to metabolize blood something other than human. There are many cultures who use blood as a food, black pudding, blood sausage, and more. For us, sure those things are good, but dead blood be it raw or cooked will not satisfy our need. We need living blood and, the best and safest is from a donor. Feeding is a shared experience, and if both the donor and vampire trust each other to keep it safe, once the actual feeding begins it's quite enjoyable for both. Most of us have strong bonds with our donors, they are friends, even loved ones, sometimes partners. Always enjoyable, often erotic - more so for the donor than the sanguinarian. Many times I've had my donor touch or kiss mid feed
Yes I know a few who claim to be classical vampires - so far not one do I believe. So if any are here, shall we "dance"? LOL Just a warning to role payers, I am well read on the subject and, should you claim to be a classical I will question you until I find the chink in your shell

!!OK!!
I dont know whether to laugh at you or believe you ..... I just think its pretty weird that a real live vampire would openly admit hes one ... I hope you can understand!
Or is it that its an obssession to drink blood and not that you need it physically?
A girlfriend of mine tricks her lovers with sex then drinks their blood .... she sais its not alot that she drinks ..... .... is she a vampire too or is it just her little nut shell thats a bit screwie?
Have you an iron deficiency by any chance?
Btw most people can metabolize blood, infact once I accidently cut a hole in my wrist while carving a staff, very close to the lunar mount or mount of the moon .... think I mightve cut a vein too, I tried pulling the vampire trick on myself to see what it would be like .... I was about 14 btw so anything really stupid back then was pretty cool .... I drank my own blood .... I chow my steaks rare to medium rare ..... but I dont go around punching holes in myself nor other people and animals and I certainly dont drink blood because of it! My canines ... fangs lol or whatever you want to call it are way longer than other peoples too and I cant go into the sun - it makes my skin funny (common skin disorder) ..... lol I really dont think im a vampire!

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I think vampires are real. I'm kinda leading to real. I really like vampires except for the "blood sucking" part.

But everyone has their opinion on them.

Edit: I chatted to a daywalker once over the internet. By accident. ^^;; And I wasn't thinking straight when I did so. He or she was pretty nice to me. We haven't talked since that day. I've nicknamed the person "Daywalker" due to he's/her's vampire race. (If you wanna call it that.) ._.

Here is a recent discussion on this subject that sums up alot of peoples opinions.

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=87208

It's a long, indepth and unfortunately ultimately closed thread but it's worth reading.

For my own views on this topic look to post #138 on page 10 and go forward from there. No use in typing it all over again.

Kevin

Yeah we need about 30 more vampire threads.

Why not both laugh and believe me? True many sanguinarian and psi vampires do hide what they are, I did for years except to those closest to me, even tried to hide it from a now ex wife. In the long run, even with online friends, something is said or done and it comes down to reveal or lie. Personally I'm tired of the misconceptions of us being cruel, predatory, users of people etc... and would rather face the accusations I get for being honest and open. Take me as I am or ignore me, really doesn't matter at least if you decide to be friends I'm not trying to hide a major aspect of who I am any more than I would try to be superhuman in some way, which I'm not.
No, being a sanguinarian is not disease related, been through the mill as far as both physical and metal health goes. Like most I didn't accept it easily, fought it tooth, nail and wallet literally. Resorted to even remote chances, tried using vitamins and minerals in hopes it was as easy as mimicking the nutrients in blood, tried self medicating it away various ways. In short had to hit rock bottom before I even began to accept it and deal with it in a less self destructive way. Still hid it as best I could for a long time. About five years ago I decided enough was enough and like m or not, it didn't matter, there is a vampire living in small town America, interacting with you as a friend and/or business associate and I refuse to hide. If it's close to my needing to feed and I'm a bit twoofy, feeling the need a bit keenly and being irritable because of it, I am not making excuses nor avoiding people and activities I enjoy. Why should we have to play it off as maybe coming down with something, excuse ourselves with a lame excuse that we know is a lie?
There are bloodist who may or may not consume blood as part of thier blood play and most have at least tasted thier own blood from a cut. Extended canines are a bit unusual but many do have them. Several conditions can cause your skin to be sun sensitive. Some sanguinarians love the sun, sport deep tans and most don't have 'fangs'. There are a few details that will give away a sanguinarian or psi beyond what I share with non vampires for one reason - I do get approached by those wondering if they are vampires and, while I will never tell anyone they are one, seeing those things in another I can make a better guess and maybe avoid sending a wannabe to some of the resources I would offer one I was reasonably sure of.
I won't blow it for the others here who may not be ready to come out of the coffin quite as boldly as I do but, to quote a song "I'm not the only one." We are probably more common than many of you realize.

Sorry, Blue but I don't buy what your selling. You are eithere a liar or of in need of help. Not trying to be mean. Just stating my opinon.

I wish it were that easy. Also wish you could feel the full force of the need just once, not as it is near time to see a donor but as it is when we can't feed for months. The closest I can think of for you to do and even begin to come close would be to remove all of a certain nutrient from your diet, say all protein, for four to six months, then walk into a buffet filed with protein rich foods and force yourself to chose only those foods that do not contain protein. Go visit friends and avoid eating what your body is screaming for, and ignore the physical effects your insufficient diet is having on you. And let your partner and anyone around you have all they want of what you need while denying yourself that nutrient. Even then you will still know what your body needs is easily obtainable and you could take it without asking or demanding time consuming and costly medical tests. Sanguinarians have no such luxury.
We must ask and wait for blood tests, generally paying for them ourselves, we have to ask personal lifestyle questions of our donors before every feed and hope they are honest. One new partner, a one night stand, one time experimenting with drugs, an illness, a new medication - even over the counter for either donor or sanguinarian and we at the least must skip that feeding, possibly wait four months for clean blood tests, maybe lose a donor entirely. Here is the basic donor questions I ask before accepting an offer from a new donor - could you do it, and keep yourself safe for years? Would you go through it all by choice? Much of it is reviewed every time I feed, has to be and the trust between a donor and a sanguinarian must be implicit. If you are considering being a lifestyer, keep this in mind and keep in mind the risks you take. This is not something you want to be, nor would I wish it on another, some of us have no choice and thank you to all who are or would be clean, reliable, trusted donors. The same questions must be answered by us, and my fiance` has to hold to the same precautions I do as well as have blood tests even though she is not a sanguinarian.

1- Have you EVER used a needle for either illegal drugs or another purpose? If so when and why?
2- Have you had any sexual relations in the past four months? If so how many partners have you had during that time?
3- If you currently have a partner are you 100% monogamous?
4- Will your partner submit to periodic blood tests?
5- Will you get a blood test at my expense when I request, usually every six months unless I have reason to think more often is needed?
6- It is imperative that you tell me of any new sexual encounters BEFORE I feed as well as any drug use, medications, over the counter supliments or medications, any illness- even a mild cold or upset stomach. Can you be honest and open with me about these things at all times?
7- I cannot feed if you are under the influence of any drugs or alcohol, even if you do not appear high or intoxicated. Can you always tell me if such is the case.?
8- Do you now or have you ever been diagnosed with any mental illness?
9- Have you ever engaged in self mutilation of any kind, especially cutting yourself and/or self feeding beyond that from an accidental cut or scrape?
10- Do you have a blood fetish or engage in blood play of any kind?
11- The experience we will share, if you become my donor, will be intimate, possibly erotic for both of us. Can you cope with these feelings and neither act nor expect me to act on those feelings. Is your partner going to be comfortable knowing that is the case?
12- Can you be entirely up front about even minor things that you may feel will not affect feeding should I ask?
13- I insist on every safety precaution outlined in the blood safety guidelines I have given you. Have you read and do you agree to help me maintain your safety and health as well as my own every time I feed with you? [ that is a 5 page set of safety and health concerns we must heed]

omg, sexy time!

How many vampire threads does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Bah dump bump!

I'm here all week, folks!

I just don't buy it. Why would a human being have a need for blood? and wouldn't a doctor be able to diagnose some kind of physical issue going on that makes you think you need blood? Have you ever tried reworking your thinking? SOme of us think we need coffee, or cigarettes, or whatever to get through the day. But it's really our mind, or brain that thinks we need things. If we tell it that its wrong and reprogram our thinking, we suddenly don't need that thing at all. That's how I quit smoking cigarettes. I just started to say to myself evey day "I hate these things, I don't need them." and then I didn't need them anymore. I was so easy to do. Coffee is another thing I quit easily. We all know what it's like to stop drinking coffee after you have been for years, it hurts. But you just have to realize that it's you who pours it into a cup, or goes and buys it, or makes it, or whatever. You are making a CHOICE to have that coffee or cigarette. The cigarette isn't forcing it's way into your mouth and lighting itself, you are lighting it. ANyways, I think you choose to drink blood and need it. Something in your life has made you believe that you must be dependant on something. Well, let me tell you, you don't. No one is dependant on anything. We choose our reality, we choose what we need and dont need. Its very simple really.

If that were the case, we would not really need food, medicines for illness or disease, or sleep, shelter etc... Personally I don't care to test that all needs are simply things we think we need. For a sanguinarian blood is no different - with out it for long enough and it affects us physically and mentally, same as doing without key nutrients would affect any living thing.
As for doctors and other possibilities, I believe I covered that in the thread linked earlier in this thread. If any of you have more personal questions you would like answered, feel free to PM me.

haha you dont go for druggies Blue? Feeding off of someone then suddenly start trippin on acid? lmao

Would being a leper disqualify me from being a donor. Otherwise I am quite healthy, except for a few missing appendages?

No I don't accept druggies, for four reasons: One, I am a recovering addict - 17 years clean, and do not want to go back there. Two, under the influence of either drugs or alcohol you are not as careful as you would otherwise be. Three, all drugs have some effect on your health and blood, I will not feed from a compromised donor for thier own protection. Four, needle users are a much higher risk for HIV and other blood born diseases.
Yeah a leper would be a problem LOL. Amputee probably not unless it was recent and you hadn't fully healed yet. Paraplegic or quadriplegic with no other concerns is fine. Most physical birth defects don't disqualify a person from being a donor. For obvious reasons, metal illness or deficiency (downs syndrome, retardation etc...) does. Any illness or disease disqualifies a donor either temporarily or permanently depending on what it is. Even bad teeth that have not been tended by a dentist disqualify a donor. There is an infection that can spread from bad teeth to your heart and damage it.
Same goes for me, if it disqualifies a person from being a donor, it disqualifies me from feeding because of my preference to feed directly from the cut. Some will let a cold or recent injury (deep cut, broken bone etc...) pass. I don't And yes some could care less about drug use as long as the donor doesn't use needles. Once I know my donor well, one or two drinks, I will let pass as long as I haven't been drinking and am making the cut. If I've had a drink or two, I either postpone or insist the donor (if sober) make the cut.
Please if you think you may either be an awakening sanguinarian, or want to engage in blood play - talk one on one with somebody who is a feeding sanguinarian or an experience bloodist BEFORE you attempt any method of blood letting. Never purposefully cut yourself and, DO NOT engage in autovampirism (self feeding). Blood letting is risky, consuming blood even more so. Some diseases may kill you, and one mistake or bad choice for the location of a cut can kill a donor. We have to know where nerves are too close to the vein or surface, cut a nerve and you may paralyze some part of your donor or, at the least create a permanently numb area. Fail to cleanse the area properly both before and after, and your donor ends up with an infection. And for direct feeders as I am, good dental hygiene and extra care in cleansing the cut after are mandatory. I don't advise direct feeding to any I mentor through awakening, and yes I have, and will again mentor newly awakened sanguinarians.
Better that than one make a fatal mistake simply because they cannot find the resources and information to avoid that. Many end up in the situation of it being a first feed for both sanguinarian and donor. Awkward at best, deadly at worst. Again don't simply try any blood letting for any reason - know what it is you do before doing it. For some it is not a choice but, even then educated yourself and your donor before attempting a cut or draw.

The real question is how do you kill a vampire thread? Should I stab my computer with a stake? But garlic in my disc drive? Pour holy water on it?

Good thing I Just orded a new keyboard, I just spit water all over this one! Thanks for the great laugh!

Actually metal stakes through the CPU work best, just be sure to scatter the parts far enough that it can't reintegrate and return as something even more monstrous

Well thanks, there just went my wireless mouse too,lmao

and just as many if not more - need to bleed ~
equal proportions of a dis-harmonic balance

Come on Cad! Would you prefer more Dragon threads?

Vampires, dragons and werewolves - my oh my. Shall we inclulude elves, faeries and, a phoenix or two? This is begining to sound like an Otherkin forum

I personally perfer the ManBearPig ones

bluemoods i am extremely interested in this... is there a way i can have ur AIM or MSN so i can find out more about this?

Don't have AIM, rarely log MSN but, it is on my profile. Email or come to chat here and use that PM is probably the easiest way to get a hold of me.

I'm not saying you're wrong or right BlueMoods... but doctors have done some medical testing on some sanguinarians and they really can't find them to have any real deficiency medically. In fact, most that have been tested have been found to be within the normal range of healthy. What I found interesting in the study I read was that most of the doctors who did the tests actually expected to find that professed sanguinarians had an iron deficiency and were rather surprised to find out that they by-in-large were normal.

Now these tests weren't extensive or exhaustive... that's very true, but it was interesting to read some of the reactions of the people tested. Most of them were pretty relieved to find out that the doctors couldn't find any commonality of deficiency. The testees kind of came to the conclusion that they didn't know what it was, but it just was. I don't really have a problem with that... whatever floats your boat. I figure if you're really careful as it appears you are, and hopefully others are just as careful (because not being careful is worrisome) have at your ... well whatever it is.

So far that's the best we have - doctors find us quite normal according to thier tests. Yeah good not to have a disease or something, still I'd like to know the reason(s). It would make explaining it easier. I do have an idea that I don't think has been tested yet. Just need to have the tests ran, and afford them. My MD tels me it's expensive and my insurance won't cover testing to chase a hair brained theory. That and if my own test has the results I expect, then I need a lot more to get the same test to see if it's right. If I'm right it is a genetic mutation, common in hemophiliacs- but what if a non hemophiliac has the same mutation? And if it is at least on commonality with sanguinarians, our lives will be a lot easier and less worrisome. I hesitate to get into the details without testing, if I'm wrong and anyone thinks I'm right but isn't tested it could lead to risky behavior - if I'm right one major risk is nonexistent for us.

Well, I know that I am a carrier of the hemophillia gene one thats been passed down through the generations obviously. We believe it is finally with my daughters generation that we think we've finally wiped out the mutation in our family. My mother was a carrier (and grandmother so on backward) but my aunt is not a carrier so none of her daughters carry the gene, nor do her sons have hemophillia. My mother had two daughters, I carry the gene, my sister does not. My daughter and my only child does not carry it and that should be the end of the line, there are no other females who can pass it on now.

Getting a hemophilia test is pretty cheap (cheap being relative, it's about $500 usd) if it's a mutation of the gene it should be pretty easy to spot. On the flip side, I do have some second cousins who are female who do have not hemophilia, but they're called "bleeders (there's a more technical name for it which I can't remember off the top of my head)" which was a weird and spontaneous mutation of the gene--both of those cousins are also carriers of hemophilia. We've been watching their line for quite some time wondering if it's a mutation that could be passed on, so far nothing. They bleed profusely and their blood doesn't clot well, but they're not hemophiliacs.

I'm not sure what kind of mutation would cause sanguinarism... as far as I know that even my female cousins who are bleeders don't crave blood at all. In fact no one in my family does. But, mutations can be weird, so who knows. But I think a test could probably resolve that question pretty easily. It shouldn't be that expensive.

I'm thinking the delta 32 mutation that gives some hemophiliacs immunity to HIV because they don't have the receptors in thier cells to allow it to enter. Every record of it I can find is in hemophiliacs. Theoretically it protected people from the bubonic plague as well. It affects blood somehow, what if more than just hemophiliacs can have that mutation? So have my own DNA tested for it, if positive, Ill need to pay for any sanguinarian I know to have the same test. What if all are positive - a new direction to look, and maybe a scientific reason, if not a complete answer as to why it affects us. Just theory, and a long shot at best but, so is anything else we try.

And please if you are engaged in blood letting in any way, don't go running with this one.

Ah, I see where you're going with that idea. I actually have never heard of the Delta 32 mutation, but that's not much of a surprise since most of the men in my family are "low level" hemophilliacs, meaning they don't require regular transfusions, it's interesting that it's at the end of the genetic line is where we find the lowest low level bleeders. A 2nd cousin was basically the last male to have the disease. He only has to be transfused or prepared to be transfused during surgery, or in the event of a serious accident--for example, if he got socked in the stomach or sliced his arm open, it probably wouldn't be much of a concern. He basically is able to donate his own blood to be saved and transfused later. We have NO medical evidence that severity of the disease was reduced every generation because the gene became weaker somehow, or if it was a coincidence.

Interesting... very interesting.

I'm very sorry guys, no matter how true to you, I still don't believe vampires. Just like I don't believe that smoking is good for your health...

Well the same could be said for being a sanguinarian, one mistake or careless feed and you or your donor could end up ill, or dead. Just we don't have the option to quit. Tried that a few times to my regret. And yes I'm good at breaking addictions and habits, god knows I've broken enough of them. Whether you can accept that for us, it is a need, not disease, not mental, not a lifestyle, not a game or not is fine. However, if you had to live with the "beast" even one day in deep need, you'd never doubt it again. Dread losing your donor, wonder how you could even imagine some of the things you consider doing at that point and, probably hate yourself if you lose control and actually do one of them, but never doubt it's real, it's a physical need and yeah it can hurt.
I wish I could put into words what it is to vamp out, trouble is I don't entirely recall it, it's always pieced together from what I do remember and what others tell me I did or tried to do. And the feelings, both physical and mental, aren't quite like anything a non vampire could understand. Flu minus the fever, migraine, fatigue, loss of focus, lost time, blackouts, wondering if you are going insane and knowing you aren't. Wishing it were as easy as checking into a nut house. And knowing you have to maintain your control yet also knowing you won't be able to indefinitely. Living every day knowing that one mistake and you would kill your donor yet lose that donor and you know sooner or later, if you can't get another donor, your family, friends even you yourself will be at risk of becoming your victim. Knowing you are capable of that given the wrong circumstances. And still unless you experience it, you can't really understand it.
Feeding, yeah good, enjoyable but, still even that requires precautions and self restraint. Would I change if I could? In the beginning I'd have given anything to be "normal" - now no I wouldn't, it's part of what has made me as strong as I am and allowed me to know myself better. I wouldn't want to lose that. If I could keep what it's shown and taught me and never feel the need again yes but, that is a pipe dream. The best we can hope is that someday we won't have to hide it for fear of ridicule or frightening others, that the myths will give way to the truth of what we are. Maybe someday we won't be seen as freaks, just people with a need many don't have.

BlueMoods, I had a few questions that we didn't cover in our previous communiques.

- What exactly are the physical symptoms of your need, assuming you don't satisfy your thirst.
- Are all your donors female?
(Just wondering if it's womething in the blood chemistry of women that you crave)
- If it came down to your being treated in a medically sterile scenario, drinking or transfusing from an IV bag of some nameless donor's (tested) blood, would that still satisfy the thirst?

First, understand that the need varies with each of us and, I am what is considered a high need sanguinarian. Partly age, need does increase with age a bit, and partly for reasons I don't understand. Some simply feel it more and we are more prone to vamping and invariably get twoofy (feeling the first stages of vamping) before our next feed. Some only need to feed monthly, for the high need sangs, it's weekly as it is for me though currently I am without a donor. Have been for 5 weeks now. My fiance` tries but, she's uncomfortable with being cut, so I am pushing my limits.
Within 3-4 days of feeding I get a headache that nothing will relieve, prescription migraine meds help a bit, but it's never gone entirely until I can feed. By two weeks out everything aches, major fatigue constantly, insomnia, nightmares if I do manage to doze off and for same stupid reason libido goes through the roof - frustrating and annoying for my partner to say the least (ok laugh but it isn't funny when it's you) A month without and I can't focus enough to meditate, even balancing the bank is a real effort, staying on track with a post at this point involves a lot of re reading, editing, removing unnecessary rambling and random BS that isn't needed. I am using my projection TV for a monitor and a wireless keyboard and mouse, too achy and restless to sit at my desk for long. Moody, irritable and trying not to take it out on anyone around me and, yeah the headache. I do use certain foods and drinks to temporarily quell the taste, does nothing save distract me for a bit, and give me a buzz from the blood wine but, dead blood can't stop the need, something like a smoker trying to quit and chewing gum - it isn't what you crave but, it distracts you for a bit. Only instead of the need diminishing over time, it gets more intense.
As much as I fight it, and know NEVER let the "beast" win, I also know if I don't feed for long enough I will vamp out - it's happened before. When a sanguinarian vamps, we aren't rational, basically don't remember a lot of it and end up doing things we would not normally do. The physical discomfort drives us to do almost anything to find relief and meds simply don't work, well unless we want to be zombies on sedatives which is one, just as bad as vamping and two, nearly impossible to get a doctor to prescribe. PM me if you must know the details of the last time I was without a donor for six or seven months and I did lose it - and paid the price for that.
No my donors are not all female, in fact my last one, that made a serious mistake while on vacation, was a man. Just a matter of self restraint and both of us knowing those feelings are not real, just a side effect of feeding and in a hour that will be the furthest thing from our minds, so don't act on it. Same with a female donor unless sh happens to be my lover first. Going from donor to lover is a bad idea, too easy for what happens during feeding to be confused for genuine desire which, it is in that moment, but wouldn't be otherwise.
Yes, a transfusion should work, but not of stored blood, whatever it is we need is not in dead blood, if it were all I'd have to do is save the blood from butchering cattle and that would suffice - all stored blood does is satisfy the taste and mouth feel, good but, not enough. Yes I do save the bulk of the blood when I butcher a steer for meat since I know my cattle are safe - keep them tested. We use it for blood wine, black pudding and blood sausage. And yeah, I usually have a drink when I'm bleeding the steer - then it is enough to stop the need but, I won't kill for blood alone.
OK, as my fiance` points out you are probably curious as to exactly what is involved in feeding so, a walk through is in order. Not something I readily share but, maybe it will clear up a few misconceptions.
I will meet with my donor at either their home or mine, whichever they prefer. (this is after all tests are clean of course) I question his/her health and frame of mind because if the donor has even a cold or is going through a stressful time I won't feed. We usually chat a while, casual banter to let my donor relax, while we talk I clean the area I intend to cut, that varies with the donor as to what they are comfortable with. Has to be a small vein, never an artery, never the wrist or neck due to too great a chance of cutting a nerve or tendon in the wrist, and Nieves as well as major arteries in the neck. Using a new, pre sterilized blade on my scalpel I make 3 short cuts across the vein, not along the length. I use a dental dam with a small slit in it to minimize contaminating the cut with saliva, some prefer to use a cup rather than direct feed, and I will if my donor requests that I do so. The feed itself is quiet, gentle and very personal, enjoyable for the donor and myself. Afterwards, the cuts are washed, cleansed with betadine or povidone iodine, an antibiotic ointment, butterfly bandages and, a light gauze dressing applied. Once that is done, we might have a drink, go for coffee, play a few hands of poker, even have diner, whatever the donor wants to do, just my way of saying thank you. Now if my fiance` allows me a feed that is another story, the sanitary precautions are the same except I don't use the dental dam with her and what happens during that feed is not fit to post here, suffice to say all self restraint flies out the window.

Well, I wasn't really asking for a complete description of a feeding. I was just looking for the medical details, so I can amuse myself by playing diagnostician.

Your physical symptoms seem to resemble endocrine problems, there are similarities between what you described and certain adrenal conditions. And perhaps consuming healthy blood placates the feedback mechanisms built into the human endocrine system. That would explain why animal blood doesn't do it for you. You didn't mention whether stored human blood satisfies your thirst, but some hormones degrade in the blood after a few days, so possibly it wouldn't.

You could quit believing in vampires and be a normal person...

define normal

Relative to saying you're a vampire.