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Blackwhite
In 1977 and 1978 strange occurences happened at a house in the North London suburb of Enfield........



Suburban poltergeist: A 30-year silence is broken

By DANNY PENMAN 4th March 2007

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Spooked: Janet is thrown across her bedroom by the Enfield poltergeist and her sister looks on terrified




Nothing on that balmy August evening seemed even slightly out of the ordinary. Peggy Hodgson was busily tidying up her terrace house in Enfield, North London, after her four boisterous children had once again left it looking like a pigsty.

Mrs Hodgson's daughters were upstairs getting ready for bed. As usual, 11-year old Janet was playfighting with her elder sister, Margaret.

Then, as the pair rolled around and giggled on the bed, something most peculiar happened: a chest of drawers began sliding slowly across the floor towards them.

The two sisters watched aghast as the chest shuffled across the room as if dragged by a pair of powerful but invisible hands. They were even more afraid when they realised that the piece of oak furniture was about to block their bedroom door - their only means of escape.

Luckily for the children, their mother burst into the room to complain about the noise.

She grabbed the chest and shoved it back against the wall. But the invisible force continued. Peggy watched in terror as the chest once again began sliding across the room.

This time, the piece of furniture moved far quicker and Peggy could do nothing to stop it.

She tried again to shove the chest back against the wall but failed. And this time she could feel an inhumanly strong force in the room.

Objects would miraculously appear and disappear before the eyes of terrified onlookers.

Confused and terrified at what she was witnessing, Peggy gathered up her children and fled the bedroom in panic. And thus began one of the strangest cases of alleged haunting ever recorded in Britain.

Over the following months the so-called "Enfield Poltergeist" turned the lives of the Hodgson family upside down. Toys, plates, cutlery, books and pictures would all inexplicably fly across the room.

Such encounters may sound utterly absurd. But what makes the Enfield case so remarkable is that the events were exhaustively investigated by respected academic researchers and - more pertinently - were witnessed by more than 30 independent witnesses, including police officers.

Although the haunting happened 30 years ago, Janet and Margaret have not spoken publicly about it since childhood. They are still wary about discussing the incident in depth, as their lives have moved on.

But in a documentary to be shown tomorrow they will break their silence for the first time - and what they reveal sheds new light on one of the most remarkable paranormal incidents ever to take place in Britain.

"I felt used by a force that nobody understands," says Janet. "I really don't like to think about it too much."

"I'm not sure the poltergeist was truly 'evil'. It was almost as if it wanted to be part of our family. It didn't want to hurt us. It had died there and wanted to be at rest. The only way it could communicate was through me and my sister."

Hard-bitten sceptics, of course, scoff at such suggestions and claim that poltergeist stories are simply the result of hoaxing and trickery.

They point out that pre-teen girls are hardly reliable witnesses - and, crucially, Janet and her sister have admitted to playing tricks on some of those who were sent to investigate their haunting.

This has made it easy for rationalists to dismiss the whole tale as hokum.

And yet a close examination of the story reveals the truth is rather more complex, intriguing and perplexing.

Above all, those who witnessed the events at Enfield were left in no doubt that they were involved in a genuine case of haunting, and while their testimony may seem far-fetched, it is equally improbable to suggest that so many adult witnesses could have been hoaxed.

Key among the independent witnesses were the police officers, who were called to the Hodgsons' home, soon after the poltergeist first made its presence felt in August 1977.

They took statements and noted the family's sincere terror, but in the absence of any hard evidence were sceptical about what might have taken place.

It was only as the officers were preparing to leave that they were forced to take the case more seriously: quite suddenly, a sitting room chair levitated off the carpet before their eyes and started moving slowly across the room.

"It came off the floor nearly half an inch," recalls WPC Carolyn Heeps, one of the Metropolitan Police officers sent to investigate the haunting.

"I saw it slide off to the right about four feet before it came to rest. I checked to see if it could have slid along the floor by itself.

"I even placed a marble on the floor to see whether it would roll in the same direction as the chair. It didn't.

"I checked for wires under the cushions and chairs and I could not see any. I couldn't find any explanation at all."

But, of course, no actual crime had been committed, so the police were unable to assist further.

Desperate for an explanation about what could be taking place in their home, the family turned to the Society for Psychical Research, a respected scientific body that examines cases of alleged haunting from an academic perspective.

It sent two investigators, Guy Lyon Playfair and Maurice Grosse, to examine the evidence. And to avert any claims of trickery, the society drafted in an independent barrister, Mary Rose Barrington, to doublecheck all of their work.

This would ensure that there could be no credible claims that the pair were being anything other than meticulous, honest and impartial in their investigations.

Sure enough, over the following 14 months they spent on the case, the two researchers catalogued a range of inexplicable phenomena.

Boxes flew across rooms, ornaments floated in mid-air, books mysteriously appeared and disappeared. Strange knocking sounds were heard inside walls.

It was all very peculiar. But there was worse to come. One morning when Guy Playfair was working at the house, he heard a "tremendous vibrating noise".

"I really thought someone was drilling a great big hole in the wall of the house," he says. "I tore into the bedroom and there was quite a commotion. The whole fireplace had been ripped out.

"It was one of those old Victorian cast-iron fires that must have weighed at least 60lb. It was so heavy even I couldn't pick it up.

"The children couldn't have possibly ripped it out of the wall. It just wasn't possible. We caught the incident on audio tape, including the fireplace being ripped out of the wall."

Events were soon to take an even more disturbing course. Late one evening, when the children were asleep in their rooms and Maurice Grosse was downstairs compiling his day's findings, he was disturbed by the sound of Janet screaming.

Maurice ran to the foot of the stairs only to see the 12-year-old apparently being dragged through her bedroom door by an unseen force. Janet was then hauled down the stairs and dumped unceremoniously at Maurice's feet.

This incident was also caught on tape and was just the first of several incidents in which the poltergeist apparently picked up Janet and tried to carry her off (one of these incidents was photographed and is shown above).

Soon afterwards Janet was even seen floating in mid-air - and this time there were two independent witnesses. A lollipop lady and a passing baker both glanced up at the house and through a top-floor window saw Janet apparently hovering above her bed.

As Janet herself recalls it: "The lady saw me spinning around and banging against the window. I thought I might actually break the window and go through it.

"A lot of children fantasise about flying, but it wasn't like that. When you're levitated with force and you don't know where you're going to land it's very frightening. I still don't know how it happened."

And that wasn't all. Apparently in the grip of some disturbed force, Janet began swearing and hurling insults at those in the room in a disembodied voice quite unlike her own. So was this proof of a poltergeist, or simply a child playing pranks?

The investigators began interrogating "the spirit" - and the answers they got were decidedly sinister.

The poltergeist identified itself as a man named Bill, who explained that "I had a haemorrhage and then I fell asleep and I died in a chair in the corner downstairs."


What could this mean? Astonishingly, subsequent research showed that long before the Hodgsons had moved in to the house, an old man called Bill Wilkins had indeed lived there. And he had died of a brain haemorrhage while sitting in a living room chair.

It's certainly an intriguing tale. But is it really a proven case of a poltergeist?

If you dig deep beneath the surface, doubts soon begin to emerge. On several occasions the girls at the centre of the case were caught playing hoaxes on their investigators.

In one instance, they were caught hiding Guy's tape recorder. They planned to pretend that the poltergeist had whisked it away.

Unfortunately for the girls, the recorder was running and caught their plotting on tape.

"They weren't very good at playing tricks," recalls Guy. "We always caught them out. What do you expect children to do?

"I would have been more worried if they hadn't played around from time to time. It means they were behaving like normal kids."

Asked about such pranks today, Janet explains that she and her sister did indeed play practical jokes - because they were so fed up of being tested all the time. They had become like animals trapped in a zoo, constantly being asked to perform tricks for gawping onlookers.

People would turn up expecting inexplicable things to happen, and when nothing happened, the girls decided to play the occasional prank.

But, crucially, Janet estimates that only about one or two per cent of the many hundreds of separate paranormal phenomena that took place in the house were faked by her and Margaret - and these were minor things like balancing a chair on top of a door and pretending that the poltergeist had done it.

Besides, in many cases, it would have been physically impossible for the two young girls to have faked the evidence. How does a 12-year old girl rip out a fireplace, or make a chair levitate in front of police officers?

The barrister, Mary Rose Barrington, who reviewed the case on behalf of the Society for Psychical Research, is in no doubt that the investigators did a thorough and honest job.

She re-interviewed and cross-examined many of the witnesses and double-checked the evidence.

Nothing she found suggested a wider conspiracy.

Equally, the 30 or so other witnesses who saw the hauntings - including police officers, journalists and passers-by - all seem convinced by what they saw.

Nevertheless, some experts remain unconvinced. Professor Chris French, a psychologist at London University, is in no doubt that the girls were mischievous and enterprising:

"Children can be very ingenious. I don't buy the idea that kids can't outwit intelligent investigators.

"There are undoubtedly some things in the case that defy rational explanation, but that does not mean that they are real phenomena.

"When you also consider the fact that people, no matter how sincere, are notoriously unreliable witnesses then you have to take this case with a very big pinch of salt."

Perhaps so. But incredible though the events of Enfield were, they are far from unique.

Professor David Fontana, a Fellow of the British Psychological Society, has investigated similar hauntings.

He says: "From my own studies I know of accounts of poltergeists pulling people's hair, causing objects to disappear before returning them in the most unlikely places, starting small fires, throwing water about, upsetting furniture, scribbling on walls, breaking objects and generally discomforting the hapless owners of the property they choose to haunt."

Are they all hoaxes? It seems unlikely.

But perhaps the last word should go to Janet herself. Now aged 41, and eager to keep details of her present-day life private for fear of attracting ridicule, she is adamant that what she experienced was a genuine paranormal entity.

"I know from my own experience that it was real," she says. "It lived off me, off my energy. Call me mad or a prankster if you like. Those events did happen. The poltergeist was with me - and I feel in a sense that he always will be."


Interview With A Poltergeist is on Channel 4 Monday at 10pm.

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Loonboy
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Although the haunting happened 30 years ago, Janet and Margaret have not spoken publicly about it since childhood.



Well that's not true. Strange But True did a feature on this case about 10-12 years ago. They were interviewed and spoke at length about it.

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Bogeyman
Jane Goldman also interviewed her for "Jane Goldman Investigates" ...She's still sticking to her story.
I remember reading the book when i was around 15/16 ....It's a good case. I'm glad to see they're sticking to the story. Usually hoaxers come clean after a long while hopefully this is not the case here.
Blackwhite
Researchers investigating the happenings have said that at least 26 of the strange happenings could not be accounted for by fraud. These included movement of small and large objects, interference with bedclothes, pools of water on the floor, apparitions, physical assaults, graffiti, equipment malfunction and failure, spontaneous combustion, disappearance and reappearance of objects, and apparent levitations.

It's also been said that the speaking of chords - when one of the girls spoke in a deep, male's voice and said he was a man called Bill who died in the house - is medically impossible.
Lotus Flower
Do you know I was thinking about that Enfield Case just the other day and wondering just what had happened and what the family are doing now.

I reckon it would make a very interesting film (as long as they didn't use too much poetic licence like they do in a lot of true life films that is!)
boorite
Hey, does anyone else see that horrible apparition of a man in 70s clothes?
Barek Halfhand
has anybody done the david SOUL joke yet?......B


GRRROOOAAAAN!







halfhandshuffle:JP in london
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcIgOFVivsQ...ted&search=
~Electron~
QUOTE(boorite @ Mar 5 2007, 06:39 PM) [snapback]1569459[/snapback]
Hey, does anyone else see that horrible apparition of a man in 70s clothes?


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That would be an amusing sight. wink2.gif
mattk4today
Check this out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMXnje4jOiw

Looks damn real to me. This s**t happens.
1stname
I think this whole incident was faked by the girls and mother. You can find more pictures here www.zurichmansion.org/ghosts/video1.html
I find it funny how in each of those pictures of the girl floating in the air, it looks exactly as it would look if she had just lept off her bed. The things people will do for attention.
Loonboy
QUOTE(mattk4today @ Mar 6 2007, 09:06 AM) [snapback]1569810[/snapback]
Check this out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMXnje4jOiw

Looks damn real to me. This s**t happens.



I liked that footage. Who knows if it's faked or not, but it certainly was done well.

I liked how controlled the crockery was when it moved - not just flung but raised in a very controlled manner.

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Barek Halfhand
QUOTE(mattk4today @ Mar 6 2007, 03:06 AM) [snapback]1569810[/snapback]
Check this out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMXnje4jOiw

Looks damn real to me. This s**t happens.
THAT WAS COOL!.....good detective work by matt!....B
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belial
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Although the haunting happened 30 years ago, Janet and Margaret have not spoken publicly about it since childhood.



Well that's not true. Strange But True did a feature on this case about 10-12 years ago. They were interviewed and spoke at length about it.
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i agree with te last comment, they also did one for arthur c clarke back in the early eighties, lol.
Cristian
The Poltergeist issue is not something that we can joke about. If such an event can make your bedroom furniture fly, I would not like to be caught in the middle when such an event takes place.
dancin'hamster
I've studied the Enfield case thoroughly, and there is no evidence of fakery or hoax at all.

As for 'attention seeking' - these people had their lives made a misery by the press, the general public and the children were mercilessly bullied at school.

Anyone who has ever been through a genuine poltergeist haunting does not enjoy the experience at all - indeed, some are left very frightened and disturbed for many years afterward.
I have a friend who is living through such an experience at this very moment. It's pulling the family apart. And although I try to maintain a level of scepticism, there are way too many incidents for which I have no explanation at all....

It makes me very sad that the Enfield case is labelled a fraud despite the overwhelming evidence, and the Lutzs' Amityville hoax is believed to be genuine!!! mad.gif
Regency
QUOTE (dancin'hamster @ Dec 30 2007, 08:03 AM) *
I've studied the Enfield case thoroughly, and there is no evidence of fakery or hoax at all.

As for 'attention seeking' - these people had their lives made a misery by the press, the general public and the children were mercilessly bullied at school.

Anyone who has ever been through a genuine poltergeist haunting does not enjoy the experience at all - indeed, some are left very frightened and disturbed for many years afterward.
I have a friend who is living through such an experience at this very moment. It's pulling the family apart. And although I try to maintain a level of scepticism, there are way too many incidents for which I have no explanation at all....

It makes me very sad that the Enfield case is labelled a fraud despite the overwhelming evidence, and the Lutzs' Amityville hoax is believed to be genuine!!! mad.gif


I agree Hammy. I think Maurice Gross said that the girls were found on a couple of occassions to have thrown things and made noises, at the time it was generally accepted that it would be impossible for them to have done the vast majority of incidences. I think it's a case of mud sticking.

It is a fascinating case, probably my favourite ghost case because I do feel it was a genuine haunting.

The one thing that bothers me with it though is why nothing was caught on video, it bugs me because the Daily Mirror were involved, Society for Psychical Research were too and with the huge amount of activity involved, surely someone should have been recording it.

As for the audio recording of, was it Frank? There's no way that came from an eleven year old girl no.gif
dancin'hamster
QUOTE (Regency @ Dec 30 2007, 01:04 PM) *
I agree Hammy. I think Maurice Gross said that the girls were found on a couple of occassions to have thrown things and made noises, at the time it was generally accepted that it would be impossible for them to have done the vast majority of incidences. I think it's a case of mud sticking.

It is a fascinating case, probably my favourite ghost case because I do feel it was a genuine haunting.

The one thing that bothers me with it though is why nothing was caught on video, it bugs me because the Daily Mirror were involved, Society for Psychical Research were too and with the huge amount of activity involved, surely someone should have been recording it.

As for the audio recording of, was it Frank? There's no way that came from an eleven year old girl no.gif



Hi Reggie wink2.gif

I think this was probably the first case that I took an interest in - although I was way too young to understand the whole thing - because of the haunting in my home.
I managed to get a copy of Guy Lyon Playfairs' 'This House Is Haunted', and some of Colin Wilsons' reports on the case when I was older.

Any child is going to keep up the excitement - it's natural and normal....however, even Anita Gregory eventually (and sadly, privately) admitted that there was no way that any of the children could have been able to fake the whole case and all of the phenomena.
One of the brothers' stayed on the house, and still maintained that odd things would happen...

As for the poltergeist being camera-shy - this is a well-known trait. There are hardly any pictures or movie clip of genuine activity. Cameras are mysteriously drained of battery power, or the shutter sticks, or they go missing; video cameras run out of film just before any activity.
And this is why I get so furious with the makers of Most Haunted - passing off wild fraudulent stunts as genuine phenomena!! Who actually buys this rubbish??? angry.gif

And the Frank thing. I've heard it several times, and it's really creepy. I guess there is a way for anyone to make that kind of noise, but why on earth would a small child do it?? And how did she learn?? In the labs where she was tested, the noises were found to have come from here vocal chords - but isn't this what genuine mediums claim - that the spirits are usual their vocal chords to speak???

Reggie - if you can, try to get a copy Playfairs' book!

Hammy x x x
butterfly21
I watched that programme a couple of months back and it was quite weird. I live near to where it happened and got my boyfriend to drive past the house (he is a PC in Enfield and recognised the house straight away) it was quite spooky, it just looks like a normal council house, but it sent a shiver down my spine.
Regency
QUOTE (dancin'hamster @ Dec 30 2007, 02:20 PM) *
Hi Reggie wink2.gif

I think this was probably the first case that I took an interest in - although I was way too young to understand the whole thing - because of the haunting in my home.
I managed to get a copy of Guy Lyon Playfairs' 'This House Is Haunted', and some of Colin Wilsons' reports on the case when I was older.

Any child is going to keep up the excitement - it's natural and normal....however, even Anita Gregory eventually (and sadly, privately) admitted that there was no way that any of the children could have been able to fake the whole case and all of the phenomena.
One of the brothers' stayed on the house, and still maintained that odd things would happen...

As for the poltergeist being camera-shy - this is a well-known trait. There are hardly any pictures or movie clip of genuine activity. Cameras are mysteriously drained of battery power, or the shutter sticks, or they go missing; video cameras run out of film just before any activity.
And this is why I get so furious with the makers of Most Haunted - passing off wild fraudulent stunts as genuine phenomena!! Who actually buys this rubbish??? angry.gif

And the Frank thing. I've heard it several times, and it's really creepy. I guess there is a way for anyone to make that kind of noise, but why on earth would a small child do it?? And how did she learn?? In the labs where she was tested, the noises were found to have come from here vocal chords - but isn't this what genuine mediums claim - that the spirits are usual their vocal chords to speak???

Reggie - if you can, try to get a copy Playfairs' book!

Hammy x x x


Hi Hammy

oo, I'll definantly get the book. I wasn't aware that they'd even tried to video in the house? have you heard that they had?

I absolutely agree that the girls messing around was bound to happen - if it happened in any home it wouldn't surprise me if this occurred.
There is something about this case that makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up, I too believe it to be a genuine haunting.

Do you know if the house is still there?

Reg x

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TRPS-TECH
definately not something to get caught up in , when something like that starts to happen , it needs to be stopped asap. They are known to cause alot of negetivity iin the household which is a feeding ground for possible demonic occurances.
TRPS-TECH
definetly not something to get caught up in ! I would definately get someone to get rid of it !
Veliska
Oooooooo Scarey!!! crying.gif
butterfly21
I wonder if there has been any activity in the house since 1980?
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE (dancin'hamster @ Dec 30 2007, 08:20 AM) *
As for the poltergeist being camera-shy - this is a well-known trait.


Well isn't that convienent. no.gif
grave digger
would they have called the police if they were messing about?
seems highly unlikely.
Regency
QUOTE (grave digger @ Dec 30 2007, 11:06 PM) *
would they have called the police if they were messing about?
seems highly unlikely.


There was an interview with a Police Officer who was saying the things she had seen with her own eyes in the house.
tali
this is a google map of location http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=284+GREEN+...;mid=1199059251
dancin'hamster
QUOTE (butterfly21 @ Dec 30 2007, 09:10 PM) *
I wonder if there has been any activity in the house since 1980?


Hi there,

Yes there has been - apparently Mrs Harper and a brother still lived int he house, and she maintained there was something there until the day she died.
The brother also claims that activity still takes place, albeit on a smaller scale.


QUOTE (Eric Raven The Skeptic @ Dec 30 2007, 09:26 PM) *
Well isn't that convienent. no.gif


Yes - isn't it?? That's the annoying thing with poltergeists...always seem to be one step ahead. As I said in my previous post, cameras never seem to work in their presence, hence my anger and disgust at Most Haunted 'capturing' activity on film.... mad.gif
Grosse, Playfair and other investigators tried to film and do audio recordings at the property, but only ever captured the voice, 'whooshing' sounds, bangs, thumps, and either the aftermath of furniture being hurled, or at the minute the items moved - so no one ever saw how these things began to move!

Reggie wink2.gif - look on Amazon or E-Bay for that book, but it'll be expensive. I got mine at a book sale in 1988.
tali
sure there was a full video of the programme on youtube- but seems to have been removed
SunDogDayze
I'm not so sure this case is any more believable than any of the other ones that have turned out to be hoaxes. I was really interested, and just did a quick search on the internet to see what else i could find out about this.

For one, every other account I read had the whole thing starting out differently, with Janet and her brother Pete being the first to complain about noises, not the girls play fighting. They also all said that all the paranormal activity stopped after two years. Here is one example of the stories I read.

Not only that, but the photos are kind of silly. It looks like every photo I have of my daughter jumping. Someone else also noticed this, and posted about it right here. In this particular picture, her sister looks like she is completely calm and lounging. Doesn't look scary in the least.

Apparently, the main site that has all the photos and audio recordings is down for maintenance right now, so I can't see all the photos. But everything that I have read so far and the few pics I have seen are not convincing.
tali
QUOTE (SunDogDayze @ Dec 31 2007, 03:47 PM) *
I'm not so sure this case is any more believable than any of the other ones that have turned out to be hoaxes. I was really interested, and just did a quick search on the internet to see what else i could find out about this.

For one, every other account I read had the whole thing starting out differently, with Janet and her brother Pete being the first to complain about noises, not the girls play fighting. They also all said that all the paranormal activity stopped after two years. Here is one example of the stories I read.

Not only that, but the photos are kind of silly. It looks like every photo I have of my daughter jumping. Someone else also noticed this, and posted about it right here. In this particular picture, her sister looks like she is completely calm and lounging. Doesn't look scary in the least.

Apparently, the main site that has all the photos and audio recordings is down for maintenance right now, so I can't see all the photos. But everything that I have read so far and the few pics I have seen are not convincing.

i have to agree that the photos are silly-and weaken what i assume is otherwise a strong case of p/geist activity
dancin'hamster
QUOTE (tali @ Dec 31 2007, 07:54 PM) *
i have to agree that the photos are silly-and weaken what i assume is otherwise a strong case of p/geist activity


Yep - the photos are pretty crappy BUT please remember - this case took place in the 1970's and cameras were not as fast as they are today. Most press photographers would have to set their film speed and light etc etc - plus they didn't have all the advantages of digital enhancements.

It's the showy photos of today that are so easily faked, thanks to editing suites etc
Regency
What I find really convincing and, well truly scary, is that the mom was a wreck, she looked terrified.

It makes me laugh these days, when you watch a programme and people are describing their ghostly encounters, the majority of the time I think, what a load of rubbish - I just don't believe what they're saying. Occassionally, you hear someone who seems to have been genuinely affected by what's going on, you can tell that they believe in what they're saying truly happened - this mom was one of those people.


Veliska
QUOTE (Regency @ Jan 1 2008, 02:04 AM) *
What I find really convincing and, well truly scary, is that the mom was a wreck, she looked terrified.

It makes me laugh these days, when you watch a programme and people are describing their ghostly encounters, the majority of the time I think, what a load of rubbish - I just don't believe what they're saying. Occassionally, you hear someone who seems to have been genuinely affected by what's going on, you can tell that they believe in what they're saying truly happened - this mom was one of those people.

I agree! Some people are very poor actors/ actresses....lol
tali
Lets suppose its a hoax - my problem with this is how could a couple of teenagers openly fool various witnesses for nearly 30 years?- it would require an extraordinary amount of planning and sophistication , contingency and determination.
Teenage hoaxing would be discovered in 30 minutes- okay at worst 30 days -and yet the case is still being discussed 30 years later.
dancin'hamster
QUOTE (tali @ Jan 1 2008, 03:21 PM) *
Lets suppose its a hoax - my problem with this is how could a couple of teenagers openly fool various witnesses for nearly 30 years?- it would require an extraordinary amount of planning and sophistication , contingency and determination.
Teenage hoaxing would be discovered in 30 minutes- okay at worst 30 days -and yet the case is still being discussed 30 years later.


Excellent point!

Most, if not all perpetrators of hoaxes are so smug that they've fooled people - they just can't help but shout their gobs off about it to all and sundry!!
kashshaptu
QUOTE (~Electron~ @ Mar 6 2007, 04:32 AM) *
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That would be an amusing sight. wink2.gif

HAHAHA that ghost tough me to boogie!!!!
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