The being worshipped as the creator of this universe by monotheists is, in fact, A DEMON. According to the Bible, Yahweh commands his followers to, stone people, burn them to death, and even to massacre infants. He is not the True God of Love.

Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Burned to Death for Fornication

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill False Prophets

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Stoning rape victims

If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city. Deuteronomy 22:23-24


Genocide and Infant Massacre

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Samuel also said unto Saul, The LORD sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the LORD.
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Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
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Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
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And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.
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And Saul came to a city of Amalek, and laid wait in the valley.
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And Saul said unto the Kenites, Go, depart, get you down from among the Amalekites, lest I destroy you with them: for ye showed kindness to all the children of Israel, when they came up out of Egypt. So the Kenites departed from among the Amalekites.
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And Saul smote the Amalekites from Havilah until thou comest to Shur, that is over against Egypt.
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And he took Agag the king of the Amalekites alive, and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword.
(1 Samuel , Chapter 15)


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Yahweh is not the True God of unconditional Love and Goodness. Remember this every time someone tells you that the god of the Bible "loves you."

Why would a loving god create the food chain, where animals are forced to kill eachother to survive? Look at all the rampant exploitation and injustice which is common place and seemingly normal. Why would a loving god create physical matter that decays inherintly and forces unavoidable suffering and death? Why would a loving god create evil beings to exploit the innocent? It is because the "god," of this world is clearly evil. Why would a loving "god," want you to suffer? The "god," of the physical universe is NOT the True God of unconditional Love and Goodness, he is, in fact, A DEMON who, if you are a being of Truth and Love, is trying to spiritually assassinate you.


Spiritual freedom is fast approaching. This is the FINAL GENERATION of this evil planet. All beings who have been faithful to the Light will be returned to their home of unconditional Love, Purity, Beauty, Truth, and Goodness, where there is NO evil. All evil will be destroyed permanently.


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Perhaps some of you may appreciate this piece by Amitakh Stanford , entitled , "Is The Bible The Devil's Tool," located here : http://www.xeeatwelve.net/articles/is_bible_devils_tool.html

Maybe this was the will of the men who wrote the bible rather than god.

My sentiments exactly.

Because of course the thought of a god doing evil things is just preposterous.

The whole god creates the good man creates the bad thing is getting pretty worn out.

You think any deity would advocate stoning rape victims? It's not a worn out theory, it's just a different point of view.

Cyric would.

Gods that dont involve D&D, Lord of the Rings, or Harry Potter .

And the bible is more credible how?

Why does it matter where they come from?

I dont understand the point of being so complicated. The question is. Do you think God...Jesus. the "one true god" would advocate stoning of rape victims. Yes or no, it doesn't have to be a complicated answer.

The reference used probably wasn't referring to rape victims. Being in the city, help would be a scream and a few seconds away.



And it is worn out, horribly.

First its any deity now its god.

I can think of several dieties that wouldn't care.

you're dancing around the question. Oh well, que sera sera.

Perhaps if you would stick to one question I could answer it.

It doesn't really matter what I think about a fictional character anyways.

Ah, I thought this might be mentioned, don't worry though, these are things that are a bit mistranslated.

Care presenting us with the true translations?
Not being skary, just asking.

Well, my suggestion would be to read it in it's original language, however, I understand that is a bit of task for some. Though, if I remember correctly, though after last year it is a bit tough to do so, you can't go wrong with the King James version.

You know like what I've written in previous threads (go look up 'should there be a Bible?') Moses did NOT actually see God as the burning bush. He saw METATRON (Enoch turned high ranking angel only one of two humans ever to become angels) and I do tend to believe these are Metatron's laws not God's. Metatron was given supremely high power by God, especially as regards humans (even in the angels sphere no angel was to speak to God but through Metatron, and he become a judge of the angels). Given a little TOO much power I think. One man saw Enoch throned and said 'there areindeed TWO powers in Heaven'. God heard this and was infuriated so sent Anafiel YHVH (only one of 8 angels higher than Metatron) to have him dethroned and lashed with sixty lashes of fire. I'd say the angels set that one up. He just got a little TOO high for his own good.

Isn't most of the original question quoted out of the Old Testament? What about the New Testament that advises us to Love thy neighbour, turn the other cheek etc.

Maybe the Old Testament was because humanity was young and needed strict guidelines, however later on we sort of moved to Infant Class and so the New Testament came in with more gentle guidelines. Sort of similar to what parents are like with kids.

Ironically most laws relate to the 10 Commandments - stealing, murder, adultry etc - peculiar eh lol

That's what Gnostics have been saying for centuries.

Actually the only ones that are laws are the ones on stealing and murder, the other 8 are either religious or moral proclamations. Even then most of the 10 commandments seem to be a direct steal from the much older code of Hammurabi (1760 BCE or at least 1000 years older than the Jewish 10 Commandments), the 1st King of the Babylonian Empire.

Hello all.
To the OP
Here is the over view according to wiki (just did a quick search) about the possible origin of Yahweh and the origin of the deity. If you want to say that a dessert spirit is a demon or djin you could make that argument. If you use the classical term for either and not their implied meaning.

Mabon.

Good point Mabon..I believe it was Harry Turtledove that wrote one of his alternate history novels that took that exact stance. It was written in the actual style of ancient Sumeran writings and the only difference between a God and a demon in the story was that to become a God; a demon had to trick men into worshipping it....

As to your second point, i don't feel that loving parents would want to burn their children to death for disobeying them.


As for the "New Testament," Jesus's, like many true Divine messengers', work and teachings have been greatly misrepresented, abused, edited, slandered, and used as tools by the evil people of this world to further their evil agendas. Today, Jesus's name is used by the evil churches to enslave the minds and souls of their followers, and in the past, was even used as an excuse to torture, steal, and murder.

Jesus spent much time exposing the evil Yahweh and his priesthood, and would NOT want to be positively associated with Yahweh, let alone want people to believe that Yahweh was his spiritual "father." He taught of the True God of unconditional Love, Truth, and Goodness, and of the seperation between good and evil in this world, which was created and is controlled by evil. He taught of the just reward for those who have been faithful to goodness and their liberation from this evil world, to the True God's realm of unconditional Love, Truth, Beauty, Purity, and Goodness, where this is NO evil.

Many sayings, such as, "Turn the other cheek," and "love your enemies," were falsely attributed to Jesus, and have been used by the evil ones to exploit the innocent beings for a long time and contradicts Jesus's True message, and even contradict the extremely censored, editted, fabricated, and misreprepresented "New Testament."

Jesus NEVER asked his disciples to symbollically eat his flesh and drink his blood. The "holy communion," activity is another mockery of Jesus by the evil ones. The same goes for the symbol of the crucifix.

If anyone is interested in learning about the true life, history, and message of Jesus, perhaps they would appreciate this piece entitled, "Jesus The Spiritual Warrior," located here : http://www.xeeatwelve.net/articles/jesus_warrior.htm




All beings of the Light should feel inside their hearts and deep inside their beings for what is right. You should try to overcome programmed indoctrination and prejudice in search for the Truth. The TRUTH is WITHIN all beings of the Light.

While I agree with you on the crucifix part, I'm not to sure about The Lord's Supper.

Luke 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

1 Corinthians 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
1 Corinthians 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
1 Corinthians 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

Has anyone read the Jewish Holy Text? Or has no-one decieded to consult it?

Yes I have Merreton I am a Messianic Jew.

As for Jesus not wanting pople to love Yahweh or believe he was his father that is utter crap. Yahweh IS his father.

Ashley, you are free to believe whatever you want, but that is simply not True. The real Jesus spent much of his life condemning Yahweh and his priesthood.

Even in the extremely perverted, edited, censored, and misrepresented recordings of Jesus in the Bible, it retains his rebuke of the Pharisees, who were planning to follow their "god" Yahweh's commandments and stone an adulteress to death. They, according to the WebBible Encyclopedia, "were extremely accurate and minute in all matters appertaining to the law of Moses." They were supposed to be true followers of Yahweh's law.

Jesus says to the Pharisees, the followers of Yahweh, in John chapter 8,






To put this in a wider perspective, i will present, along with the excerpts from my original post, a few, of many, occurences in the Bible where Yahweh murders and lies.


Yahweh's lie # 1 :

39 Therefore the wild beasts of the desert with the wild beasts of the islands shall dwell there, and the owls shall dwell therein: and it [Babylon] shall be no more inhabited for ever; neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation.
40 As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbour cities thereof, saith the LORD; so shall no man abide there, neither shall any son of man dwell therein.
{Jeremiah, chapter 50)

Yahweh promises that Babylon "shall be no more inhabited for ever; neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation." The land of Babylon, in actuality, has since been inhabited constantly, even to this very day.



Lie # 2 :

4 Yet hear the word of the LORD, O Zedekiah king of Judah; Thus saith the LORD of thee, Thou shalt not die by the sword:
5 But thou shalt die in peace: and with the burnings of thy fathers, the former kings which were before thee, so shall they burn odours for thee; and they will lament thee, saying, Ah lord! for I have pronounced the word, saith the LORD.
(Jeremiah, chapter 34)

10 And the king of Babylon slew the sons of Zedekiah before his eyes: he slew also all the princes of Judah in Riblah.
11 Then he put out the eyes of Zedekiah; and the king of Babylon bound him in chains, and carried him to Babylon, and put him in prison till the day of his death.
(Jeremiah, Chapter 52)

Yahweh promises Zedekiah that he will die in peace. Subsequently, he is tortured, chained, and rots in prison until he dies.



Murder (one of so very many instances in the Bible) :

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

I believe the above excerpt is self explanitory.



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I certainly have read much of the Old Testament. All of the excerpts i presented, in the original post, of Yahweh's sadism, duplicity, and brutality, are from the Old Testament

The answer is an unequivocal yes.

Matthew 15:3,4 Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother; and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. "

If Jesus the son who is also considered the creator God had to remind the Pharisees about his commandments which cared not one wit about the killing of one's mother and father who trangressed his law, would he care about saving from death a rapist?

This is the point the original poster is trying to make.

Well, as i had attmpted to explain in my last two posts, linked here and here, in regards to the "New Testament," Jesus's, like many true Divine messengers', work and teachings have been greatly misrepresented, abused, edited, censored, slandered, and used as tools by the evil people of this world to further their evil agendas. Today, Jesus's name is used by the evil churches to enslave the minds and souls of their followers, and in the past, was even used as an excuse to torture, steal, and murder.

Jesus spent much time exposing the evil Yahweh and his priesthood, and would NOT want to be positively associated with Yahweh, let alone want people to believe that Yahweh was his spiritual "father."


As i had attempted to convey in my last post, even in the extremely perverted, edited, censored, and misrepresented recordings of Jesus in the Bible, it retains his rebuke of the Pharisees, who were planning to follow their "god" Yahweh's commandments and stone an adulteress to death. The Pharisees, according to the WebBible Encyclopedia, "were extremely accurate and minute in all matters appertaining to the law of Moses." They were supposed to be true followers of Yahweh's law.

Jesus, in his rebuke, condemns the Pharisees of being children of the devil, of the evil Yahweh.


Jesus spent much time exposing the evil Yahweh and his priesthood, and would NOT want to be positively associated with Yahweh, let alone want people to believe that Yahweh was his spiritual "father."

I logged into this thread to read what you had to say Ash i knew i find a post or two by you in here......

I couldn't resist Isis lol

Now Derek,

This is your evidence for you case? Not very strong. Not only do you insult all Jews (and may I remind you JESUS IS JEWISH) and make an abomination of the holsy scriprtures of the OT by the ONE TRUE GOD, you also take the texts entirely out of context. Jesus I nmight add practiced JUDAISM or are you that ignroant that you don't realize the 'last supper' was PASSOVER. Oh the 'evil' Yahweh saved the Jews from slavery, such a demon really First of all, before Jesus was incarnate here Jesus did not exist. Anywhere. There was only God, YAHWEH (ooooh does that send shivers down your spine?) Secondly Jesus was speaking metaphorically because no one is a 'child of satan', he is a mere angel, and works for God, YAHWEH. To add to that he was speaking of the way they practiced the law, not the law itself. I guess you never read the part where he said "Think NOT that I have come to change the law or the prophets." and "Verily Verily I tell you until Heaven and Earth pass away not a tittle of the law of Moses until it has been done" oh and "Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven." Thirdly if you want to blame someone blame Metatron for all those laws because Yahweh himself did not give them to man, Metatron did. And whether you like it or not Yahweh is the only, one true God, Lord, King of the Universe, and was around before Jesus. And if Jesus truely is the son of God, then he is indeed Yahweh's son.

You really don't have any idea what you're talking about now do you. And no, that's not a question, it's a statement.

So what your saying Ashley-Star*Child, is that Metatron infiltrated the original text and was praised by the Jews as the one true God?

Secondly if this was the case can you show (using the KJV since I cannot read Hebrew) references to this claim in the bible?

I have more questions for you but they rely on your answers to these first two.

This is an extremely interesting topic by the way.

No, I'm not saying that I'm saying the 613 laws (Mitzvahs) were given to Moses by Metatron 'angel of the Lord'. He is known also as 'the voice of God'. He is not the first prophet to have interactions with God (Yahweh) Enoch was and he became the angel Metatron. Jews still acknowledge Yahweh as God (because he is) but the actual mitvahs I question whether were actually Yahweh's laws or Metatrons (read my first post).

OK I understand you better now. So my next question is do you believe that the Jews were and are following these laws in err. And secondly are there other Jews who share your beliefs?

This is a very interesting view point. And if you are right it would answer many questions.

Well that's a hard question to answer because it could have been God who sent Metatron to give Moses those rules or Metatron could have suggested them to God and then sent them to Moses as law. I don't know of any other Jews that hold this belief no. I personally believe though it was Metatron's rules. I do follow most of them though being Jewish.

Thanx for being so candid. Another thing I am curious about is do the Jews still practice those laws verbatim. Like killing adulterers and the rest. And also do they still sacrifice animals?

If not why not?

Yahweh cant possibly be a demon his followers have been such peaceful people all through history

Now those Buddhists, I'd keep my eye on those hellspawn

Dont believe the hype, Metatron is actually a robotic tranforming dinosaur sent by Lord Xenu to fool the Jews!

This may possibly shed some light on the message of these threads. It is the very message Jesus came to warn the Israelites about and pull them away from, and is what got him killed for attempting to do. How many times did he say he had only come to save the lost sheep of the House of Israel?

If what this site presents is true, it appears that the ORTHODOX Jews themselves, in their own Talmud, put forth the same message as you do here, Derek. Only they come from a totally different angle. They say that all Jews are the Light Beings created by the True God, and that all Gentiles are created by the devil with no soul or spirit, no better than an animal to them.

The site I'm linking to here is hosted by a Catholic priest who is showing the world what these unfortunate people are taught from the cradle to believe about their fellow men in the rest of the world. They both fear and hate us and believe they are to help "extinguish" us from this planet. They are told they are in the "Fourth Captivity" and will not be free until the last Gentile is gone from this earth.

I'm neither Catholic nor Jew, and I'm not against any race or religion. So nothing I'm presenting here is because I'm biased about it, and the only parts of this site that interested me were the ones that talk about the teachings the Jews receive that sound exactly like your message except that they are taught to apply it to them being the true creations and everyone else the spawn of the devil.

This is why Jesus was called a blasphemer and was executed; because he told them their god was not the True God. They feel this way about atheists for the most part, too, as long as they are Gentile, and they feel every bit this way about Gnostics and Essenes as well. They loathe and detest the Christian Savior, of course, and everyone born under the banner of the nations who have accepted the Christian faith in general. This is taught to them and they aren't allowed to question it or investigate for themselves. If they do, they come under severe penalties.

Hopefully this will show how disrespectful to Mankind this message is, no matter who presents it, or from what angle, or who is called 'good' while all others are 'evil'.

I know there are Jewish people on this board, and wonder if you would comment on this. I don't think this priest is making it up, he would have too many people jumping on him for it if he was. Is it true?? I have had Jewish friends, but they have always either been "unorthodox" or "no longer practicing", in their own words. The Orthodox Jews are meant to live by what is shown in these links, so this says.

My point in presenting it is to show Derek where his message comes from. It is hardly known to most people that these are in the official and formal secret teachings of the Jewish writings. Just as the lower-level Masons don't know what the top-level ones do, so most Orthodox Jews may not know what is in this. I'm asking if anyone knows that what this site is presenting is actually what is said in these Jewish books?

The Talmud Unmasked

What the Talmud Teaches About Christians - and from reading these articles I have seen it clearly shown they are speaking of all Gentile peoples.

Christians Unworthy to Associate with Jews

Christians Are Unclean

Christians Are Idolaters

Christians Are Evil

Christians to be Harmed Indirectly

Christians to be Harmed Directly

Is this really what they believe??

For years Sigmund Freud tried to tell an unbelieving world that Moses was actually the Hyksos Egyptian Pharaoh Ahkenaton. Michael Tsarion teaches this very well. It has totally cleared things up for me, once and for all. And of course, it is for each person to read if they wish and decide for themselves the truth of it. I'm just saying it finally did it for me.

ADDITION: Only Ten Commandments? This will show that the 10 Commandments originated with the Egyptians and were used as their "Confessions" when crossing over after death. They have been changed from "I have not" to "Thou shalt not".

I never meant to insult anyone in particular, nor any group of people, only reveal the Truth. First of all, you must understand that NOT all racial Jew's followed the Jewish religion of Yahweh. By, apparently, claiming that all racial Jews follow the Jewish faith, it highlights your ignorance of reality. Jesus was racially Jewish, but that does NOT mean that he followed the Yahweh's religion, in fact, he spent much of his life exposing the evil Yahweh and his priesthood.

If Yahweh was the "one true god," as you delusionally claim, than why would he command that...


If he was, in fact, the one true god, why would he be jealous, or need to command his followers to worship no other god's, and then threaten them, in Yahweh's typically egotistical maniacal torturing evil ways, that he will even punish the children and decendants (who would have had been of no blame) of those who worship other gods.

The "Old Testament," Bible is certainly not holy, as the word is defined in the Merriam Webster's Dictionary as : exalted or worthy of complete devotion as one perfect in goodness and righteousness. The word evil is defined as : morally reprehensible : wicked : arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct, and the word demon is defined as : a source or agent of evil, harm, distress, or ruin

Satanism is defined as : obsession with or affinity for evil

After just a brief read of the Bible (or simply my original post), specifically the Old Testament, it is obvious that Yahweh's actions are "morally reprehnsible," (evil) and that he is beyond any doubt "a source or agent of evil, harm, distress, and ruin (a demon)." Besides his torture, murder, lies, hypocracy, and disgusting laws that command the torturing to death of nonbelievers and etc, he actually commands genocide MORE than, two times in the Bible. Here are two telling examples.

Yahweh commands the destruction of Babylon and massacre of all Babylonians :


And he commands the complete genocide of the Amalekites, even the killing of their infants and animals here :


Ashley, if you have read the Bible and not realized how evil Yahweh is, you are either extremely deceived and delusional, or evil yourself. I feel that just one instance of egotistical torture or genocide, would, without any doubt, disqualify a being as "perfect in goodness and righteousness," or holy. Considering that he tortures and has commanded torture a MYRIAD of times throughout the Bible, it is obvious that Yahweh is "morally reprehensible," or evil. Worshipping Yahweh, according to torture, hypocracy, and atrocities in the Bible, is, beyond doubt, an "obsession with or affinity for evil," or Satanism, whether one realizes it at the time or not.



As i had attmpted to explain about Jesus, in detail, in two of my previous posts, linked here and here, Jesus's, like many true Divine messengers', work and teachings have been greatly misrepresented, abused, edited, censored, slandered, and used as tools by the evil people of this world to further their evil agendas. Today, Jesus's name is used by the evil churches to enslave the minds and souls of their followers, and in the past, was even used as an excuse to torture, steal, and murder.

Jesus spent much time exposing the evil Yahweh and his priesthood, and would NOT want to be positively associated with Yahweh, let alone want people to believe that Yahweh was his spiritual "father." Jesus's spiritual "father," is the True God of unconditional Love and Goodness who is rescuing his faithful children from this evil, hellish world, and will destroy all evil PERMANENTLY.

If anybody is sincerely interested in learning more about the Jesus's true history, message, and mission, they should read this piece, entitled, "Jesus The Spiritual Warrior," here : http://www.xeeatwelve.net/articles/jesus_warrior.htm


As I had attempted to convey in my last post, even in the extremely perverted, edited, censored, and misrepresented recordings of Jesus in the Bible, it retains his rebuke of the Pharisees, who were planning to follow their "god" Yahweh's commandments and stone an adulteress to death. The Pharisees, according to the WebBible Encyclopedia, "were extremely accurate and minute in all matters appertaining to the law of Moses." They were supposed to be true followers of Yahweh's law.

Jesus, in his rebuke (from the book of John, chapter 8), condemns the Pharisees as being children of the devil, the children of the evil Yahweh.



From a non-biblical, spiritual and metaphysical, perspecitve the 'grand architecht,' AKA Yahweh is obviously evil, and i believe it is apparent and obvious by simply looking at his creation. Any being who would create suffering, death, decay, and disease is evil. Any being who would allow and cultivate rape, torture, pedophilia, slavery, predatory behavior, exploitation, and any type of evil is indeed an evil being himself. In reality, these things THRIVE in Yahweh's creation.

Yahweh created the material universe and any existence in a material dimension would be spiritual slavery to the inhabitant. Besides entrapping the spirit, and inhibiting it's freedom, all matter decays no matter what. Any being using a body must suffer, no matter what, from decay, and eventually die. Any existence in a material body or universe of forced decay, death, and suffering is evil slavery.

Yahweh is not my True creator. While he may have created my body and the material creation, Yahweh's "kingdom," is inherintly evil. By it's very inherint and evil mechanisms, it forces all beings to decay, suffer and die.

Any sincere seekers of Truth must recognize and understand the difference between the physical body and the concioussness, and realize them as seperate entities. The spirit, or concioussness, exists independently of the physical shell entrapment. The evil Yahweh is NOT the True creator of my spirit.


From all these perspectives, Biblical, Spiritual, and Metaphysical, Yahweh is obviously an evil demon who apparently enjoys the torture and suffering of others. Worshipping Yahweh, according to the torture, hypocracy, and atrocities in the Bible and the obvious facets, effects, and implications of his creation, is, beyond any doubt, an "obsession with or affinity for evil," or Satanism, whether one realizes it at the time or not.


Ashley, you TRULY do mock in ignorance, and if you actually believe what you say about Yahweh, and that he is a "holy," being, you are either EXTREMELY deceived and deluded, or evil yourself.






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That is a SLANDEROUS and offensive accusation. I have never presented ANY religious dogma, nor have i called ANYBODY, "no better than an animal." Swandancer , you are a slandering liar! It offends me greatly that you would compare what i have presented to the evil Talmud or to the religion of Yahweh. especially its racist (race does not determine that essence of a concioussness in a body, either Good or Evil), evil, torturing doctrines!

If anyone is sincerely interested in what i have said, they can click my username, in the top-left corner of all my posts, and read through all of my posts and topics, and make a conclusion for themselves.

Derek, it's impossible to take you seriously anymore, if I ever even did at all. I wonder who is really doing the mocking on these threads? There is 'something' to your message, but the way you present it is skewed and distorted.

I think you are helping to prove my point about yourself, Derek; that you are disrespectful to those who have tried to dialogue with you. Your idol Amitakh presents herself as someone who does call people 'animals' if they don't conform to what you are presenting here. All you can do is refer to HER, as if she were your goddess, instead of searching within your own spirit for the truth.

For you to call people names, like calling Ashley evil or a Satanist, and calling me a SLANDEROUS liar, shows me you might have mental problems and do certainly not walk in love, no matter what you claim. As I told you on another thread, someone who is truly an emissary of love and light does not talk to others the way you do. They are courteous, gentle and loving. Isn't it a person of your version of Yahweh who would be so nasty and discourteous to others, who would be intimidating and unreasonable within a discussion as soon as they have an objection? Why call Ashley such a dirty thing when in her heart she believes she is doing right? That is all I believe matters; it is a person's intention to do right and walk upright that will be weighed in the balance. In this schizophrenic world, it is hard to know what is up or down, so give us a break, please. Are YOU God now that you can judge and condemn? Which God is it that would even do that? You are following after the fictional Jesus you say was perverted and whose words were abused. He would never have called anyone 'names' or tried to be threatening or intimidating. That would not have gone with the message of Love.

And who are you to judge another and name-call someone as a devil worshipper? Didn't Jesus say only the angels could separate the wheat from the chaff, and for us not to try because we would get it wrong? No one else can judge another person; they are doing what they believe is right for them, and that is all we are meant to do, and to try and tell someone to do something different, well that is what is evil in my estimation.

You may not have presented your case within a dogmatic frame, but your message is the same. You have most definitely and unequivocally said that only certain individuals are true creations of the true God and all others are creations of the devil with no souls or spirits. You have not called it "a religion" but you are saying exactly what it says in the Jewish Talmud. They thought of it first, though, so you are plagiarizing them.

Derek, I'm not going to call you nasty names in return because that is the sign of someone with a weak argument as you have shown. I'm not going to step down to your level in this. You sound like someone who goes by the name of "J.C." who calls Art Bell alot. Maybe you're here just to ruffle some feathers because you have nothing better to do?

I do agree that the ministry of Jesus was to pull people away from Jehovah/Yahweh, and that the Pharisees then and now would not let go of their belief. They called Jesus a blasphemer and killed him for what he told them. I also agree that it is in John 8 where all of this becomes clear, and I have pointed that out to a lot of people myself.

But I'm sorry that it's where our similar beliefs end. There is ONLY Consciousness/ Spirit/ God. Yahweh is an aspect of that. Good and Evil only dwell within duality. We have created this by learning Good and Evil. WE created it. WE are Yahweh and WE are True God. WE are Satan. We are everything there is, whatever we want to resonate "with".

This material universe is definitely hell, at least in this dimension, but to put the whole rap on an entity who is a myth at best, is really sad, because you are fighting your own self that way. Instead of loving others as you claim you believe Jesus said to do, you are spending your time castigating and excoriating everyone who disagrees with you.

I stand by my former post. The Talmud says what it says, and calls itself a religion. Don't try to put words in my mouth to save face for yourself; I didn't say YOU called what you present here a religion, but you have before tried to call your message Gnosticism which it is not.

If you're going to respond to this, please don't use the bad form again of attacking my character. Please find fault with what I've SAID instead of with me. Then I can refrain from pointing out to you how you're coming across so negatively which only serves to push people 'from' you and your message.

Adding on one more thing here that came to mind after I logged off the board before.

In Matthew 5: 21 and 22 Jesus exhorts his followers:

"Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment;

But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment; and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council, but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

So it is clearly taught by Jesus that anger is as bad as murder. It has the same vibrational frequency, because the same emotion comes to the surface of the angry person. It is the Yahweh of the OT who killed and used the emotion of anger with which to judge and call people names. There is 'no cause' to be angry at people who have objections and reservations with your message, any more than they should be angry at you for presenting it in the first place.

If you have a problem with what I've posted here, please say what the problem itself is so it can be discussed rationally. Please notice I have never called you a slanderous name to defame your character; I have taken issue with your message and have shown the similarity to it in other religious writings, so please do likewise with we who are on this thread as well.

You did not read a WORD of the texts I provided Derek. God is entitled to emotion and don't forget there is no 'evil satan' who oppsoes God. SATAN IS AN ANGEL WHO WORKS FOR GOD. He has his own beef with God and falling out because he refused to bow to Adam, but like ALL fallen angels, and unfallen they ALL work for God. THEY ARE THE SONS OF GOD BENAI ELOHIM. God Himself states that he ALONE makes both good and evil. Go ahead read that again so it sinks in. Oh and Jesus most certainly WAS practicing Judaism, he was doing Passover. You can call me a satanist and evil all you want Yahweh is God, GOD MADE EVERYTHING. As for your dribble of God being a jealous God indeed he is, jealous of your affections. May I also point out that God made the angels lesser 'gods' (I will make ye Gods). That doesn't mean you should worship them as gods. He who makes the angels is the only one worthy of worship. The whole reason behind the making of man was to see if man 'would love or abhor Me' of their own free will, something angels don't have. Obviously you've made your choice, may Yahweh have mercy on your soul.

SwanDancer, yes I'm aware that that is in the Talmud and some Jews agree with it. I however have absolutely NO respect for the Talmud because the whole damn thing is commentary and I don't need anyone interpreting the texts to give me their opinion on it. I can do that myself. They weren't prophets, they had no direct contact with God or angels, so it means jack to me. Same with many of the NT texts written by those who didn't even know Jesus but go on to tell people how to live. I am however a Messianic Jew meaning I believe in Jesus. What Jesus was pissed with the pharisees for was the same things that come out of the Talmud. OPINIONS of how text should be interpreted. Also, like many religions today they forgot about God and lived for ritual and the praise of the people, kind of like how the pope declares himself God on earth which he indeed is not. As for Jesus and anger he himself wasn't immune to such, saying how he wanted to baptise everyone in fire and he had come here to bring a sword and turn parent against child etc. Also his dealings with the pharisees themselves is fueled with angry emotion alot of the time. Anger is an emotion you're allowed to have it. As for hell there is no hell, Sheol, but not hell.

Hi Ashley,

Sadly, though, too many Jews DO believe these opinions and DO live them to their own detriment and that of the rest of the world. By that I mean, it only serves to further divide Mankind, as do all religions, instead of unite us, such as the study of Metaphysics does.


Let me guess.... he's going to say he doesn't read the doctrine of "DEMONS". (He only posts them; that is, if they even existed in the first place). Right, I'm a slanderous liar and Ashley is a Satanist. That is NAME-CALLING, Derek, which is flaming and against the rules here. I just want you to prove me wrong that what you and Amitakh are saying is not the same as the secret teachings of the Talmud. It isn't a lie for me to post this if it's what I personally see and believe to be correct. Their doctrine and yours are so identical it's not funny (it's actually pathetic at best); it's just that the roles have been reversed.

You're correct on one thing, Derek. Lying and mocking doesn't change the truth, and that door swings both ways.

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=84113

A topic that talks about a book dedicated to showing the truth and exposing the half-truths people believe nowadays.

As for all this one true god talk...yeah, you guys can have fun with that. I'll stick with worshiping Quetzacotl, Damballah and Zirnitra while the Abrahemic faiths act silly

Thanks. I'll tell you another great one to clear up the great mysteries is "The Electric Universe" (and a couple of other books they have that are excellent) and the "Thunderbolts of the Gods" DVD by David Talbott and Wallace Thornhill. These guys are sane and reasonable and explain the truth about the creation myths. It has

However, religions have unfortunately assembled this info into storybook format, which I believe the ancients understood better that way, but we moderns take it all too literally, and the "players in the cosmos" were given names, while the planets were even called by the commonly known names of the "Gods", etc. These books and the DVD clear things up quite nicely.

Like I said earlier, Metaphysics will do that!

http://thunderboltsdvd.info
"From the smallest particle to the largest galactic formation, a web of electrical circuitry connects and unifies all of nature, organizing galaxies, energizing stars, giving birth to planets and, on our own world, controlling weather and animating biological organisms. There are no isolated islands in an electric universe".

David Talbott and Wallace Thornhill

In this sentence alone, i will bolden, SIX slanderous LIES. They are deceptions! You are a LIAR!.




I have not been disrespectful to anybody and have been honost in every occasion. Amitakh is not my "idol (especially, not in the fashion i assume you mean)." Amitakh has never called anybody an "animal" ever. I have referred to my own inner knowing in basically every situation, as i have said numerous times, and do not only refer to her, as you maliciously and slanderously claim.


I did not bother to even read the rest of your post after this. You are a deceiver, a SLANDERING LIAR, with an obvious lack of morals and lack of respect for truth.

If anyone is sincerely interested in what i have said, or the truth, they can click on my username in the top left corner of my posts and read every word i have written. I have not lied once, nor have i decieved. I have been extremely respectful to all i have encountered, including the liars and slanderers who venomously attack me.


I have said everything i need to say in response to Ashley and Swandancer here, in my post (linked below), and in regards to this topic and their accusation. I strongly suggest to anyone interested in this topic to read thoroughly : http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...t&p=1577011

You are a despicable liar and slanderer Swandancer. That is not only my opinion, but the completely unadultered truth. Anyone sincerely interested in the truth, or what you or I have actually said, can read all of our posts and discourses and come to a conclusion for themselves.

how bought the versus that say men turned away from GOD and forgot him, so HE used the nation of israel to make a name for himself amoung men, or the parts where HE tells israel that HE did not choose them because they were great, and that in fact they were the least, and the part where HE told them HE was giving them the other nations lands, not because israel was so wonderful, but because those nations were so evil. or the part were HE tells them that HE gave them the rules to set them aprt from other nations. or the parts where he sent prophets to WARN these nations to turn from worshiping idols and doing evil, because HE wanted to give them a chance to change their ways. hmm what a horribly evil deity, to tell people "the things you are doing are wrong, and if you keep doing them, i am going to have to destroy you, so stop doing them"

if you read the ENTIRE new testament, you will see that HE made promises to those who followed HIM, and that in fact, there were OTHER nations and people later on who worshiped HIM, but were not israelites, or the part where HE says to israel he will make them jealous (because of the hard time they were always giving HIM) by other people, or speaking of Jesus to come, that he would be called a list of names, including almighty god, everlasting father, and that in his name the gentiles would trust. some of those you quoted were prophecies of future events, that have not happened yet. and your rape case, as you so kindly showed, was that the girl went willing and did not cry out for help, and in the episode with the pharisees you quote, the law said BOTH the man and woman were to be stoned, but they brought only the woman, to ask Jesus what He said they should do. as a way to try to discredit him, as they often did. and jesus diod not put down the priest hood, because of them following Gods laws, but because of their PRIDE and uncaring matter that they dealt with people, rigidity to rules and adding rules that made things a majpr burden for the people, that GOD never commanded. even in the old testement GOD was always willing to forgive, only the original 10 commandments were actualy laws from GOD moses gave them the other laws. and the pharisees and other religious leaders added rules and regulations to them. another thing that the old testament makes clear, GOD is more concerned with people than HE is about other things. especialy those who believe in him and follow him. go read it for yourself.

another thing, HE was specialy the GOD of the jews, HE had promised to bless those who blessed his people and curse those who cursed them, and told them theat HE would take vengence for them. thus the destruction of the amalikites, if they had not harrassed the jews when they left egypt they would not have been destroyed, oh yeah, another "proof" of how evil HE is, HE did a terrible thing and warned another people that were with the amalikites to leave so they would not also be destroyed. what a horrible evil thing to do!

HE is GOD, holy, merciful, just, loving. HIS holiness and just nature means HE will visit destruction on the wicked, for that is what they deserve, but his mery and love allows HIM to give them the chance to change their ways. HE has ALWAYS given us a choice. HE says what will happen if we choose to follow him, or not. he says that HIS ways are not our ways and HIS thoughts are not our thoughts.

to the OP, your comments show that you are willing to distort the old and new testaments for your own ends, and that you have no understanding of GOD.

what it all really comes down to is this- HE is GOD, HE created all, HE can do anything HE likes, allow anything HE wants for HIS own reasons, it doesn't matter if we understand or not, or like it or not. funny thing i have noticed, HE says "I want you to be like ME" while all the pagan deities are very much like us, but with powers.

but of course, now as always, we have the right to follow any god we choose. but since in most of the writings from other religions that i have studied, that make reference to one GOD above all others, that originated everything (even if the pantheon claims responsibility for creation of earth and man). sorry, but this is the deity i would choose to worship. why settle for a lesser entity when you can have the greatest? after all, yahweh(or allah if you are muslim) has spawned 3 of the biggest religions on earth, what other deity can make such a claim?

That's not quite true. There are 613 laws (or Miztvahs) read Leviticus. These are the laws the Jews follow. However the pharisees DID add their own rules in the Talmud which has as much significance to the laws of God as half of the NT 'laws' do written by PEOPLE who didn't recieve them from Yeshua let alone even personally know them. NONE. Unless it came from God himself, an angel, or Yeshua I don't consider it anything buthe person's opinion which means jack to me.

And it should be remembered that Yeshua (Jesus) was origionly here to bring back the lost sheep of Israel.

As i had attmpted to explain about Jesus, in detail, in two of my previous posts, linked here and here, Jesus's, like many true Divine messengers', work and teachings have been greatly misrepresented, abused, edited, censored, slandered, and used as tools by the evil people of this world to further their evil agendas. Today, Jesus's name is used by the evil churches to enslave the minds and souls of their followers, and in the past, was even used as an excuse to torture, steal, and murder.

Jesus spent much time exposing the evil Yahweh and his priesthood, and would NOT want to be positively associated with Yahweh, let alone want people to believe that Yahweh was his spiritual "father." Jesus's spiritual "father," is the True God of unconditional Love and Goodness who is rescuing his faithful children from this evil, hellish world, and will destroy all evil PERMANENTLY.

If anybody is sincerely interested in learning more about the Jesus's true history, message, and mission, they should read this piece, entitled, "Jesus The Spiritual Warrior," here : http://www.xeeatwelve.net/articles/jesus_warrior.htm

and should read my post here : http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...t&p=1577011