I'm going to start this thread to show - public technology that is out there. Now w/what some call the "20-25 Year Gap" - of "Black Ops" technology.

The 'new age' of super materials:



Jj -

RTSC is the most important issue facing the ITER project. It is the reason, today, why large fusion reactors can never be mass-produced, IMO.

RTSC are also needed to repair the National Grid, long-term, it would seem.

It is encouraging to hear that we may not need more liquid helium, than world supplies could possibly afford, generations from now.

Jj has just upped the ante, and defended his position well.

concerning technology advancements and new ideas i would suggest a read of Sight Unseen by Bud Hopkins.

Check these out! What does this have that UFOs do not?




Answer: Air Intakes!

Very good post Jj!
Well IMO, I feel that we do have the ability to make such aircrafts.
I have read many times that the technology we have is always behind 20yrs. or so to what actually exists we are just kept in the dark about it.

And also feel that this new nano-technology that scientists are working on has alot to do with these crafts as well.


~Moro

Here is some more information on how this could be earth technology!

Lockheed to build ‘revolutionary’ nano aircraft

BETHESDA, Md. - Lockheed Martin was awarded a $1.7 million defense contract to build a tiny, nanotechnology-based aircraft capable of flying undetected into previously inaccessible locations and collecting military intelligence.


The Bethesda-based company won the contract fro­m the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, the arm of the Department of Defense focused on high-risk, high-payoff projects.

“The whole area of collecting military inte­­­­lligence is moving toward novel and radical ideas, and this is a novel and radical idea,” said Martin Apple, president of the Council of Scientific Society Presidents.

The Departmen­t of Defense “is moving in the right direction. Clearly this is a next generation idea. It’s wonderful to see the military moving to agility instead of size,” Apple said.

The contract tasks Lockheed with developing a remote-controlled nano air vehicle, or NAV. The project is still in its conceptual phase, said a spokesman for the company.

Lockheed expects to begin building a prototype in about 18 months. The NAV will weigh less than one ounce and incorporate sophisticated monitoring equipment, including a camera and imaging sensors.

Lockheed Martin characterized the project as “revolutionary” and one that will deliver new technologies.


Link - Nano Aircraft

So with a 25 year gap, that would mean the high tech stuff becoming public today, the military would have had in secret since around 1982.

UFOs crafts that appeared to defy physics have been observed for decades, if not centuries. So if we COULD make them today, and there is still no public craft that can duplicate the flight manuevers of many of these UFOs- Then who was producing them in 1952? 1942? 1897?

Well it's quite possible that this kind of technology has been around for a very long time! Have you ever heard the many stories past down from different civilizations? They all are similar in one aspect they mention advanced races and flying machines. Do you think these are stories or are all of these civilizations lying?

When it comes to the past we really do not know very much we can only make assumptions.

~Moro

The Roswell incident took place in 1947 and yet, the military is still covering up to this very day, the object that crashed there 60 years ago.

It has been 65 years since the "Battle of Los Angeles" and 55 years since UFOs overflew Washington D.C. and exihibited advanced technology and capabilities that not even the Air Force's F-22 supersonic stealth fighter can compete with and still, we have yet to produce a single commercial airliner with the kind of exotic propulsion technology that has been clearly demonstrated by UFOs before we even flew.

So are you dismissing the possibility that this kind of technology could have been around for many millennia?
I have read that this technology was suppressed long ago do to great wars it caused.

~Moro

Yes, I am aware of stories of flying machines like the Viminas in the old Indian legends.

I don't assume that UFOs necessarily have to be Extraterrestrial, there are a number of alternate paranormal theories like ancient civilizations, future civilizations, other-dimensional, spiritual, psychic phenomena that might be at work. I really can't say if any of those or maybe even more than one might be correct.

I just have a hard time buying the idea that we have developed, in secret and on our own, technology like the saucers while we were barely flying jet airplanes.

We have been working on such exotic technology over the years, but what I implying is, the UFOs that took part over Washington D.C. in 1952 were not ours, amongst other case files as well.

I suppose it all comes down to what you want to believe.
Stories say that these great civilizations destroyed themselves with the great technology they created!
Other stories also say that civilizations were wiped out do to global changes mainly do to poll shifts and planet alighnments,
I suppose this would cause a great deal of destruction.

~Moro

I can agree with that! But i'm curious where do you think these UFO's come from?
Are you sure they were not ours, how did you come to this conclusion? Hw long has the government really been around?
This technology could have been passed down through many generations and have been kept secret for a very long time!
That is until corrupt leaders decide to start creating such machines again. Of course this all only my thoughts on this!

~Moro

NORAD has been tracking them flying in from deep space, which has been confirmed by those who build NORAD's space-based surveillance systems and many people are unaware that there are many USO reports as well. Even in Japan hundreds of years ago, they reported UFOs coming up from beneath the ocean waves.

http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1712.htm



Because I am very aware on how we conduct flight test of our classified assets and there are things we don't do in regards to classified aircraft that UFOs do on a regular basis.



Secrets can be hidden from public eyes but there are many other clues.



We gave up on flying saucer designs decades ago because we didn't have the super computers to make them fly safely at supersonic speeds much less hypersonic velocities. One of the problems with saucer-shaped aircraft is that the center-of-gravity shifts, which can create a very dangerous situation in flight. The designs of the F-16 and the F-117 are such that they are not suppose to fly aerodynamically and they won't fly without the aid of their flight control computers. If they lose their computers in flight, the best option for the pilot is to eject. Other aircraft are aerodynamic stable platforms so there is no need for super computers to control their flight surfaces. The X-29 was another unstable aircraft, which needed computers to make flight control adjustments at over 40 times per second just to fly in a straight line.

Alright i can agree to an extent! But it still doesn't explain why many civilizations were seeing these UFO's many millennia ago,
and have written stories about how their ancestors had flying machines! This technology could very well have been past down.

We know very little about the past. Alot of things in history just seem to be missing! Why? Quite possibly beacaue a higher order keeps it hidden for a reason.

~Moro

Here's another great problem, the government has been keeping Highly advanced technology from the public for YEARS!!!
If we could use the technology that they have been using for the past 50 or more years then the populus of earth would have absolutely NO problem with anything.
The technology that hte government has been keeping from us could be thousands or millions of years ahead of what we have today, thats why if we learned to use it, it could benefit mankind.
They are kepping this from us for their personal use only, they don't care about us at all..

By what we had in the past, we can look at what we have today and make a determination as to whether ancient people had the capability to produce such advanced technology in the absence of super computer technology. There are those who think the UFOs in question are secret military projects, but are they? I think not. For an example, is this the way the military conducts secret flight test of its "black" assets that have national security implications should one crash?

http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case656.htm

Even the Air Force's flight test bases have had their own UFO encounters.

http://www.nuforc.org/Muroc.html

Ok, I'm not sure if this will work or not. I tried on five computer and the results were actually 50/50.

The Hunt For Zero Point, by Nick Cook is online at AMAZON. You ca buy the book there or, and I think if you have an active account, you might actually be able to read the book online. It shows all 279 pages and I scrolled through it to page 100 just to see and it worked fine. But that was in my log in name. So I think (??) I narrowed it down to the need to have an active account there.

So here is the sight - let me know and I'll delete the link if it simply does NOT work.

You might have to actually log-in w/your active account - the look for: THE HUNT FOR ZERO POINT, by Nick Cook.

The Sight Address:
The Hunt for Zero Point - at Amazon

Ok, I did try the link and it worked so let me know anyone if there are problems....

Jj -

I will definetely have to open me an account and read this book!

Thanks Jj!


Anyway the ancient sumerians are the oldest known civilization. around 6,000 BC!
And there is more truth to the story of these ancient people than one would think! I feel that the UFO's we see today could
very well be a result of this ancient civilization. Possibly the knowledge was passed down over generations.

~Moro

Jj - Just because 'zero gravity' technology has been been in the process of being developed over the past 60 or so years, does NOT mean that it has been perfected to meet the standards of the crafts that some have viewed in the skies.

According to certain documentation, yes it does, AB - check out The Hunt For Zero Point - Nick Cook. Note specifically his references and paper trails.

Zero point? WWII alleged breakthroughs? Accelerating ionized metal vapor gas in a torus, breaking down or extending relativity actions?

If it is that simple, why is this approach not mentioned by independent labs?

If you grasp the relativistic physics, and thus really can endorse the possibility, kudos. My understanding is toroidal accelerators can not create this effect, because of the mass and energy required, and the alleged design parameters are ludicrous.

Good point on the computer aspect of this discussion. It is possible the Air Force may have developed some high tech propulsion systems back in the fifties and sixties, but it is very unlikely they had any computers capable and compact enough to put in a small flying disc at that time. If memory serves me right the computers of the sixties would fill up a whole room and were very unreliable. Hell, the top scientists in the world at Los Alamos in the 40's were using some type of mechanical collating machine as a crude computer while working on the A-bomb! The idea that we were flying UFO's in those days is crazy, Sorry try again.

How can you explain the disc-shaped crafts, then? From what I've read, the idea of development for saucer shaped crafts was scrapped long ago... not to mention that the type of craft wouldn't be fit aerodynamically to reach speeds of 1,000km/h though without going unstable and crashing.

Ok, I actually started to go through the book and noted the various documentation of the book - and realized I was basically writing the dang book! Not going there.

So let me just put it this way: Until I had read the book, Sky (et all) I was actually more in your camp then not. There were a number of UFO's that were very much bogus and frauds. But I read, saw pretty much - not all, the stuff you all did.

Then a friend handed me this book and just said, "Jj - if you still 'believe' after reading this book, let me know. Enjoy the read - but make sure you check out the references that he supplies. Then find secondary sources that have found the same information independent of his book and such." So I did and I came away going, ok - there are some things here that simply cannot be 'whisked under the table'..

Now there are some people I know that read the book and got so pissed off, because as one person stated, "Jj - asking me to read this book and doing it was the biggest mistake of my life. You distroyed my belief in one fell swoop! I hate you...", and well he hasn't spoken to me since. Another person actually left the online groups we both were in. He wanted nothing to do w/me or the groups I was in. Yet another person filed a 3 name pitition to group administrator to have me banned. I wasn't. They left, all three of them.

So I guess all I can say is, get the book and read it, please. The information is there and it is seriously a good and fun read.

Jj -

I watched Nick Cooks documentary on this topic. His case is built on much speculation, and some misidentification of 'lifter' technology as anti-gravity, when it is nothing of the sort. In the end of the documentary he concluded that not all UFO incidents were explanable by secret govt technology and may truly be alien anyway.

In the end, it's one man, one opinion. He may be partially right, but based on his documentary, it's hardly cased closed.

Although anti-gravity research ranks right up there with perpetual motion on the crank-o-meter, the idea of anti-gravity can't be completely dismissed. As recently as 1996 a Finnish scientist announced he could partially "shield" objects from gravity using spinning superconductors. Although most scientists are skeptical, NASA is interested enough that it's trying to replicate the results.

I guess I lost the purpose of this thread but I am guessing that this is an attempt at saying that we are the UFO’s not aliens.

The UFO’s people see is not what makes be believe in aliens visiting are planet. I have no idea what those things are flying around no one really knows. What make’s me think aliens are visiting earth is the history and the reason for visiting us.

We are a technologically evolving race they most likely study us because of that one fact. Aside from that the paintings cave drawings Aztec and Mayan depictions of space crafts are in my mined proof of some sort of alien visitation. The depictions some of these cultures make are way to accurately detailed to be imagined. A Mayan depiction of a man in a large craft handling buttons, knobs and levers along with flames spewing out the back is some thing you can’t explain as imagination.

www.inquiring-mines.com/.../pacal.jpg

The depiction is why to accurate to be imagination that is what really makes me think aliens have visited us in the past and most likely the present. There are many other depictions in other cultures I will not go into because I have to go. Make you’re own conclusions do you’re own searches for Egyptian depictions of space crafts subs and air planes.

Thank you bigdog! I am glad to see someone else thinking that there could be a chance of aliens visiting our planet.
I just have a different view on the matter.

I feel that the ancients knew alot more than most give them credit for, and this knowledge has been passed down!
But at some point in time this knowledge has just been hidden away so prying eyes can't get their hands on it.

~Moro

The orginal purpose of this thread was to begin to point out and explore technology that is out there in the works.

There is an except, by most, what is called the "20-25 yr lag between top secret technology and public introduction to the technology". There are some Top Secrets that are doubt will ever see the light of day - at least 'for now'.

It did go off on a tangent - which I was curious to see if it would happen. There are a few - NOT ALL - that actually take steps to 'side track' various threads - because they challenge various bias concepts of "has to be 'this'" - or "man simply does not have this technology" to "man is basically too stupid and we need aliens to help us through life and our evolution..."

I tend to agree - that at certain times in our history as a people/planet - we've done seriously stupid things but we've also done some very incredible things - w/NO help from "aliens".

But as I have seen - 'tangents happen' and it does little good to 'fight them' it is best to note who creates them, where they go and what post(s) did they show they are trying to avoid.....??

Jj -

It has been 60 years since the Roswell incident and what crashed there is still the focus of a government cover-up. It has been 55 years since the Washington D.C. UFO incidents but what do we have in the commercial sector that remotely comes close to perform what those UFOs were doing over our nation's capital in 1952? What we have in our arsenal today can't even come close to matching the performance characteristics of those UFOs back then and it has been 49 years since the UFO enounters over Lakenheath took place yet we still do not have anything in the commercial sector that comes close to the technology that was clearly demonstrated in the skies in 1956.

In fact, the UFOs of 1952 exceeded by more than three times, the top speed capability of the SR-71, which was later revealed in the 1960s.

The technology is there but the parts of the government that control this top secret technology will only show the public what they want them to see. I personally feel that this technology is much older than most people think! It's been written down in different civilizations texts.

This thread did stray from it's original topic a bit! It's all in how you look at it! everyone will have their own opinion on what is being posted.
Maybe some cannot/will not, embrace the concept that we do have the technology to create such thigs as these UFO's. So they stray off topic.

So Jj, Are you saying that their is a possiblity that aliens exist, and they might have helped in someways?

I can agree with that.


~Moro

Do I think that life on other planets could exist: YES!

Do I think they have 'helped' this planet - NO. There is simply no objective evidence to support this.

Jj -

I understand where you are coming from Jj! Without solid evidence to support something someone can only make assumptions.
A belief in something is not enough.


~Moro

what about fibronics?....who invented it?...possibly nuclear fusion?....

I really do not think that fiber-optics was created by nuclear fusion!
Where are you trying to go with this limited?

~Moro

Fibronics? Do you mean fiber optics? That was invented right here on Earth. It has a well documented development history, actually going very far back in time, and there are no sudden "discoveries".

Best,
Badeskov

yes i meant fiber-optics..im tired ..night play safe!

Ok, why don't we have people giving out the ingredients

Get some sleep, dude...

Best,
Badeskov

Exactly! What Badeskov said...


Optical fiber
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Optical fibersAn optical fiber (or fibre) is a glass or plastic fiber designed to guide light along its length by total internal reflection. Fiber optics is the branch of applied science and engineering concerned with such optical fibers. Optical fibers are widely used in fiber-optic communication, which permits digital data transmission over longer distances and at higher data rates than other forms of wired and wireless communications. They are also used to form sensors, and in a variety of other applications.

The operating principle of optical fibers applies to a number of variants including multi-mode optical fibers, single-mode optical fibers, graded-index optical fibers, and step-index optical fibers. Because of the physics of the optical fiber, special methods of splicing fibers and of connecting them to other equipment are needed. A variety of methods are used to manufacture optical fibers, and the fibers are also built into different kinds of cables depending on how they will be used.

The light-guiding principle behind optical fibers was first demonstrated in Victorian times, but modern optical fibers were only developed beginning in the 1950s. Optical fibers became practical for use in communications in the late 1970s, and since then several technical advances have been made to extend the reach and speed capability of optical fibers, and lower the cost of fiber communications systems.

So as in reading that you can see plainly we have quite a history behind it.


~Moro

Eh, ingredients for what? I make a great Sauce Bearnaise (I you don't mind your cholesterol venturing off the chart)

Best,
Badeskov

Of how to make the superconductor

Thanks for digging that up, Moro Optical fibers are actually very simple in themselves and what is boils down to is really the manufacturing, which is quite a process. It is basically a giant spindle like the one used to make yarn from wool in the old days, albeit hi tech and kept very clean to avoid contamination. And the starting point is a, say, 8 foot long glass cylinder with a width less than half a foot

Best,
Badeskov

The quest is still on for high temperature super conductors (HTSC), but if ET happens to drop by it would certainly be something that would be useful for us to ask about

Best,
Badeskov

Here is a concept: Google "History of Superconductors" - oh wait here, I'll make it easy for you.....
History of Superconductors

There that should give you the history of it from the past to the present.

Here is a specific sight if you wish:
Superconductors

Hope this helps...

Jj -

Apparently "they" are not talking.
They only do 'quickie fly byes' - just enough to frustrate piss off the population of "believers".
Seems they can't be bothered to show themselves and/or actually do something intelligent. Nope just 'hit and run'. Oh well - sounds more like human 'top secrets' to me, but that's just to simple and easy an answer. It apparently has to be 'more' then just that.

One member here on UM - actually PM'd me. They started to read the book and was getting "pissed off", because "I saw what you were talking about! There is evidence there of your damn human equation, as you call it....." Apparently they are not going to finish the book, but return it to the library.

Oh, well - But I have a feeling they might be a tad silent on some of this now, though....

Not a problem man! And thanks for the extra information! To bad that haven't mad an episode about it on "how it's made" yet!

My pleasure indeed, and it should definitely make it's way onto "how it's made" as it is pretty cool to watch from start to end

Best,
Badeskov