Tell me all you know of the Freemasons

Seriously, you should take a few minutes to familiarize yourself with the Search function.

--Jaylemurph

My Grandfather was a freemason. I never met him though because he died when my mother was 6 and her mother died when she was 7 leaving her an orphan.

Tell me all you know of the Freemasons


Or What?

Tell me all you know of the Freemasons.......so that i can can mock your ignorance, and tell you how it really is.....


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ur a bit of a fruityloop.....




Tell me all you know of the Freemasons......so i can infiltrate their numbers and finally wreak my revenge for their evils perpertrated against my ancestorrr

They do stonework gratis.

thats one of the funniest things i think ive ever heard, still chucklin
*wipes tears from eyes*

I half expected you to say "take me to your leader" then LOL

Regarding the Freemasons? I know nothing!

Well I hope I can be of some help to you I am not quiet sure what they are about my uncle is trying to teach me a lot of this stuff and I am only still on learning about the Anunnaki and things like that but here goes:

All I know is(if this is right) is that they are a secret society and they run the world lol HAHAH im probably sooo offf but hahah hope it helps which it probably wont

What will you give me? I'm not giving up the secrets for free.

http://freemasonry.org/

you see what about 10 seconds of research does? Just google it

well being that i am vice presidents first left hand man/helper i am a part of this secret group....
we usually get together for some role playing... surrounded by Naked Female companions... we enjoy in out "Fun time"

thats about only thing we do these days...

i think u should watch "Tom cruise" movie called i believe "Vanilla Sky" it tells u all about it






P.S.

Ha-Ha-Ha

HAHAHA that is soooo funny hahahah!

QUOTE(Bosanchero @ Mar 11 2007, 12:28 PM) *
well being that i am vice presidents first left hand man/helper i am a part of this secret group....
we usually get together for some role playing... surrounded by Naked Female companions... we enjoy in out "Fun time"

thats about only thing we do these days...

i think u should watch "Tom cruise" movie called i believe "Vanilla Sky" it tells u all about it


This is my first post so forgive me if I don't follow proper etiquette.....I think the Tom Cruise movie you're talking about is "Eyes Wide Shut". It's all about crazy secret societies and their strange rituals. Probably based on stories about the Freemasons? The Simpsons made fun of this group in the "Stone Cutters" episode... although they seem to be a mens club that drink beer, go bowling and do charity work, many believe that this secret society has links to the Kinghts Templar and control most of the crap thats going on in the world today.

Too bad the original poster is yet to elaborate. I just completed the HIRAM KEY that explores the history and evolution of Freemasonry. Fascinating. And anxious to sink into some discussion.

Stonecutters gratis... that's funny... and ironically pretty close to being on point.

"The Hiram Key" is a work of fiction. It is based upon the same stuff that Conspiracy Theories are made... They started with some facts (Freemasonry as we know it started with four lodges in England getting together to form the "Grand Lodge of England"), then take off on a whole mess of the myths and legends behind the fraternity and use those as "fact" to form other conclusions.

It is a great read - but something on the other side of crappy documentary.

hmmm, respected. But I cant wholy agree with you. Given that the rituals, language and habits of Freemasons are kept under such cover, it would seem difficult to distinguish facts at all. It seemed they based the first of a series of books starting with the Hiram Key, on the search for the Father of Freemasonry, and wove a very appealing argument as to who he probably was. Taking the most basic characteristics of the fraternity and searching out the history of those known and accepted pieces. Now I can't say how much of what they took was weighted in fact, cause Im not an initiate. But it didn't seem too 'fictional' in their opening chapters that addresses that very issue.

If you could elaborate a bit more as to why you believe it's more a fictional piece, it may shed some light on the subject for me and round out my understanding.

Is there no help for the widow's son?

me too what a wonderful laugh I had with that thanks a lot!

Dan Brown doesn't know much about anything. Especially writing books.

--Jaylemurph

Just downloaded it for $5. Looks like an interesting read. Thanks for the link!

the reason these masons come into play is they carved the rock wiht a spiritraul twist kinda like as in heaven as on earth they had good vision.

Hey M. A. D. -- speaking in vague terms of the Masons/Templars/Scottish... I've heard tales of the Scottish coming into your neck of the woods before Columbus. Your sources have any info about that? You're connected in ways I'm not, so maybe you know summat interesting on the subject.

--Jaylemurph

Shame I think you guys scared away Metalkannibal...
Still waiting to hear why he is so interested in freemasonary...

Free mason : a secret socitey of what we would see as smart people on a mass scale all that would be said is that they were like the ilumanti (excuse the spelling if wrong my keyboard is playing up)

like the illumanti the masons vanished on leaving traces of what they were


Regards Astaroth


Tip ; read angels and demons dan brown

Freemasons have gone nowhere. They are alive and well today all over the world. Their Temples can be found everywhere. I've got 2 in my city alone.

Shrouds of superstition, accusation, negative stigmas, skeptical mystery, pompous doubt and the like have been tagged onto Freemason for decades, all the while they stay quiet and loyal to their fraternity without the slightest judgement to others or their outlook on a society they have no part in.

Freemasons are often standup and loyal supporters of the community and uphold a strict moral and ethical code. Often FM chapters have donated substantial sums of money for gov't projects as well as local community programs. Even opening parts of their own temples for community service and/or visiting guests. Which is more than i can say for some religions.

Because they never divulge in their rituals and or details of their meetings due to their code of ethics, a large part of society fears them as being advocators of conspiracy. If history has proven anything, it's that society will fear anything they don't know.

p.s.- All respects to the one great Dan Brown, but as far as I know he's a fiction writer? He may weave a good tale, but i would'nt consider him a researcher to weigh much validity with. It's like using Wikipedia as a credible source....

Dan Brown is a terrible writer and a worse researcher. People wouldn't learn a d*** thing reading his works.

--Jaylemurph

My Grandad was a very highly respected member of the Freemasons - he never spoke about it though. His fellow members looked out for my nana when he died, which I think was a very kind gesture.

In the US, there are many widows' funds, orphanages and hospitals set up and funded by the Masons. They're very charitable.
I said this on the CT forum and was immediately labelled a 'Masonic disinformant.'

--Jaylemurph

Is anyboy here a freemason?

Did you see the strange burning eye to?

Only joking...

The freemasons are like a gentlemans club for religous people.

It helps its members to grow spiritually and has spread its tenticles throughout society to make sure the moral good is kept.

Rosslyn Chapel is a Knights Templar church and the Freemasons are what remains of the Knights Templar.

I wouldnt take much notice of conspiricay theories especially ones which are sold to you as you're being marketed. I will say some of these theories are bound to be true but the vast majority will be a fraud.

Rosslyn Chapel has secrets such as the carvings around its walls which are notes to a song called the Devils Cord. The Vatican banned this along with the Templars because the song induces trance with visions when listened to. It has had note carvings removed from the chapel and surpressed so ordinary people dont know the tune.

As for the Freemasons like I said its a spiritual journey. If you believe in God join because there is some interesting stuff along the way on line with the Devils Cord.

I don’t know much about the Masons but......

They Built King Solomon’s Temple
They have been affiliated with the Knights Templar
The Nazi's hunted them down and tried to wipe them out
They are a society composed out of everyday people
Freemasonry has never had one authoritative leader

I personally found this Web Site very interesting >> A Concise History of Freemasonry <<

No-one's ever been able to completely confirm this, let alone Verness. People love to ante-date the Freemasons (including the person here who said they built Solomon's Temple)! In his honour, a quote from Ambrose Bierce:

"FREEMASONS, n.
An order with secret rites, grotesque ceremonies and fantastic costumes, which, originating in the reign of Charles II, among working artisans of London, has been joined successively by the dead of past centuries in unbroken retrogression until now it embraces all the generations of man on the hither side of Adam and is drumming up distinguished recruits among the pre-Creational inhabitants of Chaos and Formless Void. The order was founded at different times by Charlemagne, Julius Caesar, Cyrus, Solomon, Zoroaster, Confucious, Thothmes, and Buddha. Its emblems and symbols have been found in the Catacombs of Paris and Rome, on the stones of the Parthenon and the Chinese Great Wall, among the temples of Karnak and Palmyra and in the Egyptian Pyramids -- always by a Freemason."

Exactly. The Freemasons started out as a group of regular masons working on castles and other buildings who wished to protect their trade secrets. They developed handshakes to make sure these secrets stay secrets. They evolved into a type of fraternity with rituals, beliefs, etc. They do not control the government, or anything of that nature.

well jay- cape breton has the only galic collage that i know of in norht america ,there may be satilits of sckools from this .

plus this is the first place they came some stayed who saw the truth and some left with the truth.

i've been told when my family came from the south of france this barone was a mason.

to compare the masons to somthing and just a comparison as in heaven you have these co-creaters and on earth

they co-create .in truth who stoled and who stade is the answer in what you look for.

I've been a Master Mason since 1997. I am also active in the York Rite Chapter and the Knights' Templar Commandry.

For a "secret" society, we are a horrid failure, as all of the secrets we have are available online if your Google-fu is strong enough to chop through uncooked pasta noodles... (read: it isn't hard to find)

There are a few hard facts: The Freemasons as we know it began in January of 1717 in England when four Lodges got together to form a higher form of governing body, the Grand Lodge of England. Beyond that any history is sketchy at best... there are very, VERY poor records of at least one "official" lodge existing in the early 1400's thanks to a mention in passing on a royal letter about a local group that had worked on a Cathedral. The STORIES are pretty neat - but there isn't any fact involved.

The deal concerning the big, "OMFG, all the big muckity-mucks in the world have been Freemasons!" is BS, as there is no proof to be had. The STORY goes that the stonemasons were granted special dispensation to travel through feudal Europe during a time when very, VERY few people could travel freely - just so they could build the castles and cathedrals being erected at the time. As it was quite the honor, even after feudalism died out, people of note sought out the honor to be known as a "free" man, and - allegedly - speculative masonry was born (people joining that had no skill in laying stone).

The problem is that there is no official proof of this. It just SOUNDS really good, so people believe it as gospel fact.

By the time Freemasonry came to the Americas, it was pretty common to have many... common... people as members: merchants, farmers and tradesmen, as well as military folks. As time went on, many of these people grew in stature and wealth, and it became more obvious that they were Freemasons. Some even went so far as to specifically use the social ties within the organization to do business... Mason A in NYC wants to open a trade route to Atlanta, so he contacts the local Temple and gets into a contract with an Atlanta-based businessman. With the military it was a way of having things in common with new folks as people traveled around the colonies - a way to have social ties in a group of strangers. The organization has always been strict about membership, and would allow no criminals or people of "ill repute", so if you know the guy next to you is a Freemason, you "KNOW" that he is an upright guy and can be trusted.

Who better to lead a regiment of soldiers than a person that is already known to be trustworthy?

General George Washington was a very vocal Freemason, and it comes as no surprise that many of his senior officers were Freemasons as well - as he know without having ever met them that they could be trusted. Washington's Masonic Bible is still used to deliver the Oath of Office for incoming Presidents.

There is no "religion" involved in most of Freemasonry. There is a requirement to hold a belief in a higher power, monotheistic or with one main godhead, and that's it. Meetings are opened and closed with non-denominational prayers to the "Father of us all" or the "Grand Architect of the Universe." The main legend that much of the ritual is based upon is about the building of King Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem, so it is at least kind of religiously based. It isn't until you get into the appendant bodies (associated clubs) like York Rite and Scottish Rite that are more religiously based, with the York Rite going more Judaism-based, then going full-on Christian with the Knights' Templar - and the KT is DEFINATELY Christianity based, swearing to support and defend Christ and make the world ready for His return. The Scottish Rite is much less religious, but is more Islamic based, dealing with much of the history of the Middle East.

But in basic Freemasonry (the Blue Lodge, or the first three degrees), only the opening and closing prayers, and the allegorical stories involved, the group isn't religious. While it pushes being "moral" and fair philosophy, it is in very generic terms - Treat each other fairly, be kind to those who need it, be generous, don't let your passions lead you astray, etcetera. There are very, VERY few religions that don't espouse those ideals, and those that follow these few religions most probably wouldn't be able to make it through the membership application process anyway...

Anything else I can help with?

A thing that has fascinated me reg the FM's, is their openness to new members. One of apparently 3 qualifying aspect of new initiats is a strong belief in God. ANY god.

Their ties to the Knights Templar seem highly suggestive, albeit plausable. But to what degree one can only speculate. Lomas/Knight, based on their research of known FM icons and the little known ceremonial behavior and Temple imagery, found ties with KTmplrs (mainly in searching for the builders of King Solomon's temple or if there even was an actual temple at all?), early roots of judeaism/xtianity and even egyptian theology. What was concluded was that Freemasonry could be an existing metaphorical version of the earliest of Xtian/Jewish sects that had splintered away from mainstream movement, bearing similar relations to the mysterious Essenes, in their quest for moral purity, rightouse lifestyle and a sacrifice of oneself over the importance and secrecy of their knowelege of universal truths. They (Lomas/Knight) suggests that this early group held the only known egyptian pharonic rituals verbally and that those truths were what was being held secret from non 'pure' members. A secret that their fore-'Father of Freemasonry' had died with, buy his unwillingness to reveal such 'fraternity' truths even when faced with death.

I've always seen Hiram Abiff's death as more of a parable to inspire a person to keep his word - no matter the consequences. In the Obligations, there are very specific penalties - although they are symbolic rather than actual - and we are supposed to take them very seriously, that if we aren't "nice" and keep the "secrets" (though they aren't really secret anymore), we should expect to be held accountable.

This reminds me of L'Ordre de la Rose-Croix. It's a French secret society that spawned all the way back during the Dark Ages. This society focuses on knowledge. Knowledge is power. My Art History teacher is a member for almost 15 years and she said the teachings are a lifetime. She wouldn't go into further details than that. I'm curious to know how one would be able to join societies such as la Rose-Croix or Free Masonry?

So, could one safely assume that the underlying purpose of becomming a FM is to have a constant reminder (title/vows/other members) of their moral and ethical obligations and the importance of living by example?

Psykotic Behavior, I can't help you with The Order of the Red Cross - though it is the second degree of the Knight's Templar with the Freemasons - as well as an order of the Knight's of Columbus.

To become a Freemason, all you have to do is ask a member. If you are truly interested, use your Google-fu or crack open a phone book to find your closest Temple. What I originally did was find a Temple, make a point to drive by while at work, and write "I'd like more info" on the back of one of my business cards and toss it into their mailbox. Two weeks later, I got a phone call from the Lodge Secretary... and the rest is history.

Oh, by the way, Happy Birthday! Mine is coming up on the 6th... though I was graduating from High School the year you were born...
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Wallfly, though there are many more reasons, the one you state is a pretty good one.

Dan Brown knows so little about writing books he's laughing all the way to the bank with the money he gets from those books he does not know how to write.. Man, you are so well informed!!

I never said the man couldn't make money. I'm prepared to admit he wipes his bottom with c-notes.

In a hundred years, though, he'll rank up there with Thomas Shadwell, Thomas Killigrew, or William Olaf Stapledon.

--Jaylemurph

Certainly....They're a white middle-class family living 5 doors down from me....Mr Freemason is a butcher and his missus is a nurse.....They have 3 children, two girls and one boy...

Lovely kids, all in high school...They have two dogs, one cat and a pet iguana...Scott, their eldest, loves reptiles....They have two cars, a red Holden Commodore and a black Volvo.....They have a lovely house with an in-ground pool....They go to Hawaii for their annual holidays and sometimes go skiing in Aspen.......

Mr Freemason mows the lawn every Saturday and Mrs Freemason goes shopping to the local markets for fresh fruit & vegetables.....

What ?? Ohhhhhh......You meant 'The Freemasons'......Ooooops, sorry...

LOL! Haha, you're a bit more wise in years than I am then. Although it's still a few days earlier, Thanks! Happy B-day in advance as well!

So, that easy huh? I know where the local Free Mason chapter is in my town. As a matter of fact, I worked in the building next to it a few years back. I wouldn't know any members. Well, not anyone that would openly acknowledge they are indeed a Free Mason to me anyway. I might just try your suggestion with a business card and go from there.

We don't run around and actively recruit, but many of us do wear Masonic rings or pins, and there are LOTS of cars with bumper stickers and little, 3" round "badges" on the bumpers or windows that have the Masonic Square and Compasses, or the KT Cross and Crown - or the Shriner scimitar over the crescent moon (This site has some pics of the Shriner emblem).

I'll admit I'm older than you... but I admit that while sometimes wisdom comes with age, sometimes age comes alone...

Which is a good thing the fraternity doesn't use recruiting tactics. To ask a Mason out of one's own free will to join is certainly a sure sign of interest. I didn't think there was much indications of a Freemason with rings, badges, or stickers though. I was aware of the Forget-Me-Not flowers. I'll see in the coming weeks. I want more information about it. I know the mission and philosophy behind it certainly matches how I see things in my life.

Wisdom can also come by experience, and not age alone. I've learned that one the hard way it seems, even though I am barely 27 years wise. Hehehe.