hi,

I know there has been talk on these forums that most haunted is a setup. On watching the last episode that was aired on Living, Sutton House i think i find myself come round to that idea more and more

Most notably the stone throwings and the "scarf throwing" incidents

when money was placed on the table a bunch of stones were apparently thrown onto the table in front of the team, if you watch this back and i have it on my sky+ the stones are quite obviously thrown from just off shot and to be honest looks as if one of the crew was stood just out of shot and threw it, the projectile of the stones just seems to bunched together and direct to be percieved as paranormal in my opinion and i noticed that no one was hit if this was thrown when the crew were in front of the location they came from then why was nobody hit? and how did they stay so close together?

the scalf throwing incident was a dead give away on this one Lee Ryan who was guest on this one is quite obviously responsible for throwing it, if you can watch this back his hand is open as his hand moves back but in the shape that he was just holding something and to say this was apparently thrown from the otherside of the room is well absolute toss! you would plain as day see at least alittle of it flail around.

Saying that i am a big fan of the show because it's good for a laugh and it does what it's there to do and that entertain but being a believer in the paranormal myself it's seems abit of a piss take sometimes what happens on these shows i think every episode of series 9 has had stone throwing which rearly occured before, when it started i think the show was true and not staged but as the series have gone on it's become a true race for the ratings

Does anyone else have any comments on this episode or the show in general? please if you can prove me wrong about this show!

I like u think they started with good intentions, but i think they quickly sussed that akorah is a fake...sometimes u can see yvette's face turn all stoney poker-faced when he drops a clanger, she knows he's full of it, and is carefull to try not to show any reaction.
Her complicity in the farce became obvious when she started showing folk around and 'suggesting' stuff to them, to promote hysteria and psychosematic stuff.....oooo im cold.....hasnt it got really cold in here all of a sudden,.....oooo so cold.....dont u feel cold?.....yeah right!
one of the things i think is funny is that derek is all seeing and knowing, when they do the walk-around, and then in the vigils he often just reacts to others' reactions- and doesnt immediately explain them, as if he's taken the backseat; letting the group hysteria take over.
for me the show is only interesting anymore when there are newbies in it and they are not 'in on it', their reactions are controlled by those who are inonit but they are genuinely scared and utterly suggestable.
I think a campaign should be started to flood the living most haunted web forums with debunking and complaints.
lets discredit the charletans, all we need is to isolate a number of incidents where their manipulation is obvious like the one u mentioned, and post links to a u-tube movie to that effect....post the links everywhere on any relevent forum.....send em to the press everything.....
bring the show down.

it would be interesting to see what comment living would privately make about a well presented debunking movie....would they try to pay u off, threaten legal action (for using their material), or say that its just entertainment?.....d'ya think they'd comment publically....wonder if there is anybody outthere who could legally claim to have been distressed by the fact that they have been so manipulated into thinking ghosts exist...

the ratings are all they are concerned with, stone throwing became obvious to me when they did margam hall and a few others....its soooo blatant.
even karl acted 'out of character' in one episode, he was obviously peeved off about maintaining the farce and said something like, "whats the point, its all bolloks" or something to that effect when it was suggested they do a seance .....they covered it up by saying he was tired, and possibly 'influenced'...hehhehehehe
they even got the poor bloke to explain to camera that he didnt mean to say it........
in subsequent episodes he is more a part of the farce, playing a more active role...even playing the reincarnation of a lover of one of the ghosts in a castle in scotland.........there's a man who's realised that he was contracted to sell his soul. he often still looks peeved, especially when derek is spouting more obvious guff than normal.

all this stuff seems to be BIG business tho these days, people would just debunk ur debunking and support the show even in the face of overwhelming evidence......nuts.

Thanks for the reply

You make some good points.

Derek (who is actually recognised by a paranormal society in the USA) was removed from the show after the "Derek Faker" incident, his version of events could hold water to a medium but it seemed like a desperate attempt to keep his career (where Jade goody is failing derek succeeded)

I don't discredit everything the've done when the crew is visably hurt then the question of how far are they willing to push themselves for money

There is a news artical from one of the old Parapsychologists on the show saying it's set up however it didn't do anything really for the shows reputation and it's going from strength to strength like i said i like the show for what it is and thats entertainment but i think it demines the work of real mediums.

If i had all the material i would happily post a video of all the things that are suspect not to get the show off the air but just to show people that you can't believe everything you see on TV which seems to be a huge problem these days!

as for the beggining of the show the reason i saw it as honest is the fact they would have shows where nothing happened maybe a few odd creaks but not much more

As for karl i think he's a producer of the show so more "in on it" than most of the crew!

Yep, Karl's a producer. Also Yvette's husband.

I thought Derek was comical from frame 1. I never felt that way about David Wells. He seems genuine. It would suck if he got busted like Derek, but I can't say it would be totally unexpected after some of the hijinks we've seen on that show.

The thing that always struck me as purely hilarious was the "Mary loves dick" event where Derek had another one of his generic possessions and uttered said phrase. Then the crew went into hysterics and forgot the camera was still turned off

Derek Acorah should do professional comedy, he's a riot.

I must admit Most Haunted is getting more and more annoying as time goes on. I do like David Wells, and like someone else said (sorry can't remember your name) I would be disappointed if he was found out to be fake.

I think its wierd how on the first few series, there was very little actually happening, and it seemed alot more believable. Now with all the new stone throwing and the ''you call out for something to happen here and we will see if it happens to any of the crew in another room etc''.

Its losing any credibility it ever had for me...but still I sky+ it every week just incase something really good happens.

So they have done their job...theyve got us hooked no matter what we think

way to much happening now, in the begining they had maybe one or two little tapping incidents. now it's an all out ghost fest. the way they all ask a spirit a question and there IS nearly always some sort of reply, yeah right...

When i started watching most haunted, i loved it because sometimes nothing at all would happen in a episode, so you get the feeling that its real, and they are really trying to find the truth. As the series gets more popular, more stuff is happening. The stone throwing, posssesions, bangs, people getting more emotional on camera. To tell the truth, i have really gone of it, as i feel its all fake. I know they have made so much money on the show. I feel if it is fake, then they should get done for it. I always thought that if something was not real, then they would have to put it somewhere in the credits, i could be wrong!

Most Haunted is the worst thing to happen to serious investigation in a very long time, and makes serious investigators look like fools.
I've spoken with Yvette and a slew of her friends and they take the whole matter with a "tongue in cheek" attitude. She said that as long as people keep tuning in to watch, they'll keep producing the show. I now look at it as a spoof on psychic investigation and nothing more.

I believe they started out with good intentions, and really wanted to find out. As nothing much was happening they new they had to make stuff happen. I liked the 1st series because sometimes nothing would happen, and then in another episode, we might see orbs, or hear banging, thats when i liked it best. Now everything happens, in every episode. I think they have shot themselves in the foot, and people are now losing interest.

You have to ask yourself though. Will there ever be a show, which is honest, and not a hoaxed. Maybe not because nothing would happen, and i think people, even believers would get bored.

Its funny. My mum and dad moan that nothing happens in one episode, then they will moan when alot happens, and say its fake. I think thats the problem. People dont like it either way.

Yvette(and her husband, one of the producers of the show) could care less about the paranormal and paranormal research, they just want a hit show and realize that the paranormal is interesting and "hot" at the moment.....do you honestly think that when the ratings dry-up and the show gets the eventual axe that her and hubby will be out roaming the British countryside looking for interesting sights to investigate?

100% correct. Yvette Fielding has quite a list of television shows she starred in, in the UK. She started doing television at an early age.
Most Haunted was her first foray into the paranormal. Her and Karl are not serious psychic investigators, and they'll be the first to admit it.

The show is for entertainment only.

I didn't read this thread because of the "most haunted "thing in the OP title but skimmed and...
just because this show location was featured on most haunted doesn't mean it isn't haunted in some capacity.....B





"Most Flaunted...."
BH

I havent seen this episode myself but I have been told about it at length and actually found myself in Sutton House during the week of the episode being aired.

If there is wonder where the stones came from then.... On the first floor, in a small room that contains a table and chairs, rich furnishings, glass cabinet and two windows, is a bowl sitting on a cabinet. It's quite a large bowl (green i think) in a prominent position and randomly, in it is gravel.

Now, whilst i am not suggesting that a member of MH or Antix picked up this gravel and threw it, i do suggest that this is where the stones came from. The bowl seems rather handy though and if the crew weren't able to associate the gravel to this bowl, then they really missed something. For those of you who HAVE seen the episode, which room were the crew in when the stone throwing occurred and where was Ciaran O'Keeffe positioned?




I agree. His facial expressions and tone of voice during 'phenomena' seems too genuine for him to be faking it. The most recent episode (Series 9) at Hever Castle sees him looking actually quite amazed and shocked when there are noises. Another example i can think of was Series 6's Peterborough Museum where he seems genuinely scared. I like the way that David talks with an almost uncertainty and is far from as theatrical as Derek Acorah ever was.

Another member of the crew that i believe is not 'acting' is Cath Howe. She comes across as too scared and honest to fake anything. I also liked Richard Felix as he seemed to be far from acting but he seemed to get so excited about it all and sometimes that made it difficult to know what was going on.

I continue to scrutinize Karl and Stuart as they always have something happen to them when they are either alone or alone together and i am very sceptical about table tipping and glass divination.

I honestly believe that Karl and Stuart are the ones that are faking most of it and they always go off together. I like Most Haunted, but no matter what happens when they're around, it just lacks credibility. I don't mind the rest of the crew, it's just those two, and they're in it more and more. If a table ever gets pushed, it's always from Karls direction.