If there was 2 gods there will be a mess in the world, but its only one god created humans and creatures as male and female to keep the generation coming, if god havent created Eve , we all wont be here now. God came up with Male and Female, if he never created a Female will you all be thinking that there was a female? nope at that moment it will be beyound our emagination. we cant say god is a male or a female we dont know, we never seen him, But we know that this universe been created by someone and all of us deep down inside we know that, and most do deny the feeling and keep on unbeliving. Do we have to see an artist who draw a painting to belive its a painting? we all know that a painting is done by an artist, its the same thing I guess, this world been created and how did we ever came up with heaven and hell if it was'nt mentioned by messengers?. If you where in a Plane and something happend to the engin and you all realise that the plane gonna crash most people gonna say GOD PLEASE HELP US ! Oh GOD, in that point even if you never did belive in god why you mentiond his name or help? simple deep down you know there is a god and you belive this world is created by someone.

* heheheh I never knew I can talk my thoughts this way.

I'll take that as a compliment.

There may be many gods (little g), but there is only one God (big G). He/she/it is the origin of all consciousness who created, and is still creating, the infinite universe. We are all divine sparks created from his consciousness. And from my research (though I can't prove it) souls probably do split to form other souls. This explains why many of us go through life searching for our soul mate, our spiritual other half, so we can be reunited. Also, there is the belief that there are souls who are too great to be incarnated on earth, so they split into smaller souls so that they can be incarnated, in order to accomplish their chosen mission. It is like a gigantic family tree of souls, with God at the top. We are probaby fairly near the bottom but (hopefully) we are trying to work our way back up.

Because the Bible says that women are inferior to men.

Where?

Men are worth more than women - Leviticus 27:1-7 actually provides dollar comparisons!

Just something quick I found ^ ^ There are much more in depth passages than that.

Oh yeah, almost forgot about these gems:
Stone disobedient children" (Deuteronomy 21:18-21) Kill your children
1 Timothy 2:15 says only women who have children will be spared hell Women that are virgins will face eternal torture
"If a man also lieth with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13) Kill gay people.
Prostitution is punished by burning the woman alive according to Leviticus 21:9 Kill prostitutes

^ ^ ^ source: http://www.bigissueground.com/atheistgroun...eshocking.shtml

The Bible goes on and on.. it also advocates mass murder, slavery, among other things.

Funny. I suggest you dont go to a christian hating athiest site for refrence to the bible. This is going to be awhile because I obviously have to explain these passages to you. In the mean time re-read this for my opinion on such with man and woman I will paste and re-post it since it was obviosly ignored for the purpose of stating this post I am quoting.

Two big writings in scipture that have allways led me to believe that God is male or in a male form is that when he created man he said that he made man in the heavenly image of the angels and him. He then made man a companion in the woman when man needed that companion aside from God and the animal. That does not make woman inferior or less than a man. When God created woman he used the same essence and purity that he used to make man. One aspect to look at with women is that stated by scripture woman was the first to sin and was the one to bring sin to man. That was her punishment was to be lower than man because she introduced sin to man and was the first to sin. But still God stated that a man should not treat a woman lesser than himself but because she is trully a part of man (since she was created from a peice of man, the rib) and when they join they become one. For a man to treat a woman lesser than himself in that union would mean that a man is treating himself wrongly. God also made woman so that life comes through her. without women man would not be and man should resepect the woman for she creates life on earth.

Another point in scripture is when Moses spoke to the burning bush and asked how shall I adress you to your people, And the Lord stated I am He who is He, your God. Now you could still make the caim that the Bible was written by man and that is why that is stated or you could still hold the clam that the Bible is fraud or false. But when it comes to faith, holy scripture is a keystone in such belief.

God has adressed himself as the father of the universe, so by the human language the father is male so God would be male. There isn't a Mrs. God because God does not have the human neccesity for a companion. Angels have been stated to have desires for female women which would state that they too are male, But as I have said before we wont truly know until we get there and are able to ask for ourselves, maybe there is a Mrs. God maybe God is not male? Who knows, Nobody until we get the truth for ourselves.

you have it wrong with Lev 27 1-7, This is describing what worth the vows of a man and woman should be. It does not state that a man is worth more it means that a mans vow is more costly than that of a woman. What would you rather pay more or less for something? The woman is getting a better deal she pays five less.

Deut 21 18-21 Is discribing the trial and judgement of a son of a father and a mother. If he still be rebelious and wicked then he shal be brought to the elders of the city and trialed and judged. If he still is wicked then he shall be stoned and put to death. THis is no different that a modern day trial and death sentence. The son accually has a better off chance than a criminal today because he can be counceled before he has a trial with the elders.

1 Tim 2:15 this goes back to Eves punishment for being the first to sin. what is stated is that a woman in sin will be saved if she continues to keep her faith and charity without ego or further sin. This goes out accually to both man and woman if you read the whole chapter.

Lev 20:13 Speaks of lust adultery and sexual fornication. It represents that basicly everything that people agree to be wrong today sexually is wrong, incest, beastiality, child molestation, and promisquis sex. The term you refer to as homosexuality is accually refering to promisquis sex such as orgy hence mankind not just man. But homosexuality in OT and NT is considered wrong, there is no denying that. But with God has claimed numerous times that we are not the judge of mankind for we are manking, He is. Also OT has a stronger attribute to point out such wrongs because then we had a vengeful God governing us now we have a forgiving Christ.

Lev 21:19 refers to the fact that a whore is profane. Prostotution is a profane act for a woman to do because she is defiling her body that is sacred to the Lord. And she shall be burnt with fire represents her going to hell for her sin. It also states that profanes or dishonors her father by being a whore because she dishonors herself for worldly pleasure and money. No matter how much sparkly gold or riches you have all that comes with you when you die to judgement is your soul and your acts on this earth.

Hope these help a little if you have questions feel free to ask.

I definately don't know the Bible as well as you do so I'll take your word for it.

Um...The term "man" can also be another word for "humans." Male and female are not two species, but two genders of the same race. Aside from the Bible, it doesn't matter who did what first, there are lessons to be learned and experienced, and mistakes and trials are apart of that process of developing your own maturity and knowledge. Forgiveness comes after the lesson truly learned, among tolerance and understanding of 'free will.'

And why would a man's vow be worth more than a woman's? Since Judaism was a patriarchal society/religion, men took the primary responsibility for the welfare of the family unit. The leader of the unit, because of his responsibility, has more worth than those below him (the women, children and slaves). Consequently the woman, as a subordinate, was worth less and her vow and fines would naturally be less. The word patriarchy comes from two Greek words – patÄ“r (πατήÏ�, father) and archÄ“ (αÏ�χή, rule), showing the position accorded men in a patriarchal society. Sorry, no matter how you try, how you attempt to skew and pervert the scriptures, you can not explain away the facts.

looking at the Abrahamic religions

I cant say that in islam or judaism there is a male God. You can however infer that if you compare man as a figure of authority and as a figure of head of household but again that yould be from a christian way of thinking.

Basic Judaic and islamic teaching dictates that there is only one God and one God only so there cant be any issues of sex.

As sex is a characteristic of a specie. Sex is used for reproduction and evolution of species.

God is one and Almighty according to judaic and islamic beliefs.

I cant say same for christianity.

Clearly there is a father and a son. Like the person who started this forum puzzles me as well about this aspect of christian beleif

Whatever happened to mother and daughter God

Speaking only of the biblical God... the one true God, and all that... one of the biggest obstacles for me, when considering the nature of a creator, is the insistence that we shouldn't attribute human emotions to a non-human spiritual being. But in as much as the attribution of those emotions is presumptuous, the insistence that we should not attribute them is equally so. If we are not capable of comprehending the nature of God, then who are we to insist he is nothing like us?

So, assuming for a moment that he does experience emotions like ours (because it's just as possible as the contrary)... indeed that our own emotions are a reflection of his... then he would possibly experience loneliness. And the fact that he chose to create angels and mankind would seem to add some weight to this. After all, if he was hunky-dory all by himself why did he need so many people around him? For a God who is singular and quite happy to be that way, he's got one hell of an entourage... so he doesn't seem all that happy going it alone to me.

So, if God understands the necessity of having a companion, then perhaps he has one... in which case, unless Mr God considers himself to be above his wife, the existence of Mrs God would make the claim that he is the one true God untrue.

On the subject of the Bible. It was written by man. Even if you accept that every story in the Bible is based in a factual event, which personally I do not, then the facts are still recorded by man. Given man's abilities when it comes to fabrication and exaggeration in pursuit of his own goals, it seems to me that the Bible is more a reflection of what man desires God to be rather than what God is. If we are not capable of comprehending God, then I can't help but wonder why we feel that our ancestors were capable of accurately recording "His" word. Why are we so arrogant as to believe ourselves capable of recording "Him" by means of the written word... of defining him, and of recording his history?

On the subject of man/woman... Adam and Eve. My knowledge of the old testament is way rusty, so let me see if I remember how Adam and Eve came about. God made Adam, then he said that man shouldn't be alone, so he made the beasties and Adam named them... and then, when Adam didn't find a helper amongst them, God made Eve. Is that right? But if God knows everything about his creation, why was Adam's need for a female companion not anticipated?

Well I saw on E! True Hollywood Story, that Mrs. God ran off with Mrs. Santa Claus and they moved to California and opened a commune.

So that's why God added all this abomination crap about the gay people to the bible.


Allllthough!!! He never said anything was wrong with Lesbians did he?

Why is there only one God? Well, God is infinite consciousness, so there can only be one infinite consciousness, and as such, does not have any gender, which is a created animal characteristic.
The bible was written by men, for men, so is it any wonder that Yahweh was portrayed as a harsh, vengeful, patriarchal figure? They believed (rightly or wrongly) they needed that image of God in order to survive in the harsh wilderness, surrounded by enemies.
In moving away from polytheism to monotheism, the Jews correctly surmised there was one true, living God, but unfortunately, they then created and dressed Him up in THEIR own image.

I haven't read this whole thread, but I'd like to point out..

The bible never says there is only one god.

I point to "Thou shalt put no other gods before the one true god".

Doesn't say there aren't others, it just says you worship the abrahamic one first.

Ok, consider all of the previous references to "one God" as meaning "one true God".

Great questions? How do we know God even has sex organs? Maybe he isn't male or female. If he were the only God then why would you expect him to be male or female? Why would God have sex organs if there is no female for him to mate with? I think there are other gods besides him. Maybe an entire race of gods. I don't know why the monotheists think there has to be only one God.

I have another question. If God created us then who created him? Were the gods created or did they come into being as a result of evolution? I don't believe they just always existed. They must have had a beginning.

I have to be honest, I had never thought about God having sex organs. I had rather imagined a female or male essense of some sort... a male or female identity... I hadn't got as far as the bits below. You can bet I'll be thinking about that now though.

Actually, in the ancient Sumerian religion on which Judaism was based, there was a great God in heaven, and two brother Gods with the titles of :Great Serpent Dragons" in charge of the sea and sky. And then theere was a lot of lesser Gods. They had Noah's Flood, the Garden of Eden, Tower of Bable and all the rest that Judaism retained. But instead of worshipping the three main Gods, the lumped their attributes into one great God in Heaven, Yaweh, and his assistant, still a great serpent dragon, who would become God's opponent when Christianity beame more Zoroastrian then Jewish. In these original stories, both Enlil Yaweh, and Enki Satan were very wild "dragons", Enki Satan getting drunk all the time, and Enlil Yahweh raping his sister and being sent to the underworld for a "time out".

The Hebrews like the Garden of Eden, with Enki the wise and talkative serpent dragon, and a human named Adam, Noah's ark, Tower of Babel stuff, but didn't like the idea that the Storm God dragon (Yahweh-Enlil) was the brother of the alcholoic Eden dragon (Satan-Enki), or the fact that Yahweh wasn't the highest God, or that he kept raping his sister.

So the Hebrews kept the best stories, no longer identified Satan Enki and Yaweh Enlil as brothers, got rid of Anu the high God of heaven (who apparently was never a dragon like the others), changed Yahweh from a storm dragon to a very prudish humanoid bachelor with no sister to rape. and Presto, you have the book of Genesis.

so you see, the original "Gods" that inspired the Book of Genesis were some pretty "wild and crazy guys" (er dragons), even if the Hebrews rewrote them into one fuddy duddy old guy (though they forgot to take out the part about him still spewing fire out of his mouth, smoke from his nostrils and "consuming" unfortunate priests who made an "improper" sacrifice .

Boinked yer sister. To the basement and no porridge for you!



Sorry, couldn't resist.
I love reading your posts DC. Articles and excerpts. Ancient history that's new to what we're usually let to be aware of, in the common place. I'd love to see a bible with all the materials you mention about dragons, etc... Between what you offer of the old stories, it almost seems like the bible was sanitized, in a way.

I'd love to read a whole compilation of the Sumerian myths, as it relates to the equivalent of their contemporary bible. Was there any such thing, do you think?

My book should satisfy most of your requests, GW, hope to have it out this summer!

no doubt all points on this are valid, for me goddess whispers and mr walker have resonated the most concerning the masculine/feminine essence of god...
remember salman rushdie? u guys probably know this already, but the fatwah on him was largely because he pointed out in 'the satanic verses' that the shrine in mecca (the one with the big black cloth over it) was originally a temple to a female divinity.
perhaps its all linked to social and cultural evolution, this is a continuous process so our concepts of the divinity are changing.
it maybe that we create god? or that as we progress our understanding moves with us. every once in a while someone gets it right and sees god better (perhaps) an enlightened person like krsna, jesus etc....
(dont mean to tread on any religious toes here)

The Ancient Semitic peoples do not seem to hold female dieties in very high regard, witness their distinct lack in Moslem and Judaic beliefs, but when these same theologies were exposed to westerners to create Christianity, we have the "Mary Mother Goddess" to reflect their pagan sensibilities. Both of these purely semitic religions deigned to keep women in a servile role, and added Eve, who was never in the Sumerian Eden story, to be responsible for the loss of immortality in mankind, which is also not what the original story was all about, but further justified treating women as slaves and cattle. The only female diety of Sumeria that the Hebrews acknowledged was Ninil who became Lilith, a baby-eating serpentine demon of the night who sexually assaulted men in their sleep.

And remember the Sumerian Gods banding together to kill their own mother Tiamat? And the lesser female Gods were constantly being raped, including by the storm god Enlil who would become Yahweh.

It's a scientific fact that women cook. Soz, he rules the universe and stuff while she stays in the kitchen cooking fush and chups.

i think there is only one god and he/she is in perfect balance with itself unlike us. besides the obvious pro-creation aspects of male/female, i believe the creation of male/female is meant to teach us how to live in peace,not only with each other but with ourselves.my ancestors believed you could tell alot about a man by how he treated women and i still think it is true.as far as is god lonely? i think why not? why bother creating anything if not for company?or perhaps just to amuse him/herself?but not lonely for a "mrs. god" as there would be no need to pro-create.anywho that`s what i think.