Shadow_Hill
Mar 9 2007, 02:57 PM
Why is God a bachelor? And male? I know it's a pointless exercise to try to define God, but I can't help wondering why there is only one God.
If we were created by God... us and all the little beasties... then everything we do/feel must be understood by him. He's supposed to know everything after all. So if he understands the need to be part of a pair, then why is he single? Now I know it's unsafe to assume that the fact that God would understand wanting to be in a pair must equate to him experiencing the need to be in one. And I know I'm limited with my little human brain. But why would a single God want us to be in pairs?
I have no understanding of something which does not exist... so if loneliness didn't exist for God then how could he create us with the ability to feel it? I asked a Christian friend, and he said he believed loneliness was deliberately created to force us to find a mate, to procreate. But if procreation is the ultimate goal of man's loneliness then God could have created us with all the bits to do it alone.

And what about gay couples?
What my Christian friend did object to was my suggestion that God was lonely. He said I was attributing human emotions to God, which I shouldn't do, but that seemed a bit hypocritical because his God is apparently a jealous one.
I'm asking what others think because as I try to find my own path these questions come up, and whilst I don't expect to find answers I do hope to find possibilities and more questions to help me along. I am on the verge of possibly coming to the conclusion (eventually) that we have creators, rather than a creator... or that we are created from something made up of numerous parts.
MUM24/7
Mar 9 2007, 03:15 PM
Thought-provoking topic, Shadow Hill.....
There's plenty of good points for the Atheists to 'munch' on and makes their case a tad stronger and food for thought for our religious members.......
A well-balanced meal all round....
rev r
Mar 9 2007, 03:32 PM
Perhaps you should look at other culture's definition of "god" in your search for answers rather than just focusing on a singular definition.
IamsSon
Mar 9 2007, 04:13 PM
QUOTE(Shadow_Hill @ Mar 9 2007, 08:57 AM) [snapback]1574928[/snapback]
Why is God a bachelor? And male? I know it's a pointless exercise to try to define God, but I can't help wondering why there is only one God.

Obviously, we're talking about God as seen in the Bible. God is not some superhuman, He is a completely different type of being.
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If we were created by God... us and all the little beasties... then everything we do/feel must be understood by him. He's supposed to know everything after all. So if he understands the need to be part of a pair, then why is he single? Now I know it's unsafe to assume that the fact that God would understand wanting to be in a pair must equate to him experiencing the need to be in one. And I know I'm limited with my little human brain. But why would a single God want us to be in pairs?
I can understand why it's imperative for female praying mantises to kill their mates immediately after mating and yet not have to be subjected to that myself to understand it, and I'm a finite, non-omniscient, non-omnipresent, non-omnipotent being, so if I can understand this process, God can understand His Creation completely, especially since He created it, without having to be bound by it's imperatives.
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I have no understanding of something which does not exist... so if loneliness didn't exist for God then how could he create us with the ability to feel it? I asked a Christian friend, and he said he believed loneliness was deliberately created to force us to find a mate, to procreate. But if procreation is the ultimate goal of man's loneliness then God could have created us with all the bits to do it alone.

And what about gay couples?
You're making several assumptions here. For one you're assuming that just because you can't grasp something you haven't experienced, God is limited in the same way, something you have absolutely no way of proving and no reason for even making this assumption. This Christian friend you asked, where did he get his degree in Theology? The reason I ask is because you said he told you what he believed, so it would be interesting to know what basis he has for this belief and why his belief should be the only thing you base your opinion on.
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What my Christian friend did object to was my suggestion that God was lonely. He said I was attributing human emotions to God, which I shouldn't do, but that seemed a bit hypocritical because his God is apparently a jealous one.

You're still attributing human emotions to God. Not to deny He says He's a jealous God, but even that jealousy, when you look at the context in which it appears is not exactly the same jealousy we are familiar with, maybe jealousy is the closest description that we can understand, but that does not necessarily mean it's the same emotion.
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I'm asking what others think because as I try to find my own path these questions come up, and whilst I don't expect to find answers I do hope to find possibilities and more questions to help me along. I am on the verge of possibly coming to the conclusion (eventually) that we have creators, rather than a creator... or that we are created from something made up of numerous parts.
Even the God of the Bible seems to be a much more complex being than what we can understand. He refers to Himself as one: "The Lord is
one", but He also talks to Himself as more than one : "Let
us make man in our own image." I believe we are incapable of truly understanding God and He knows this so, He tried to show us enough about Himself so that we can recognize Him, but not nearly enough to completely grasp Him.
GoddessWhispers
Mar 9 2007, 04:34 PM
QUOTE(Shadow_Hill @ Mar 9 2007, 08:57 PM) [snapback]1574928[/snapback]
Why is God a bachelor? And male? I know it's a pointless exercise to try to define God, but I can't help wondering why there is only one God.

Another good question , relative to the male god myths, is what gave birth/created (to) god!?

(Besides human imagination of course)
I would highly recommend you read,
"When God Was A Woman" By Merlin Stone. The first deific figures ever discovered were female! The first people to ever deify a super natural image were polytheists, i.e. many goddesses. As well as was "animism" part of the belief structure. Primitive people didn't know what caused the weather, childbirth, etc... so they imagined spirits or powers were responsible for such things. And with that they objectified those powers to be imbued with human characteristics. So , consequently, when a windstorm destroyed the plains, it was thought the gods were angry, when someone died it was thought the gods took them, etc...
Today that part hasn't changed much, when you think about it. How often has one heard someone say, of a loved one that dies suddenly. "Well, god works in mysterious ways." Or in the case of a child, "God wanted another angel in heaven".
The first deific images were female. It was with the insurgence of war tribes, male dominated clans , that caused the goddess to be relegated unto a lesser power, or suddenly the goddesses that reigned supreme and alone, were relegated to the position of wife or mother of other gods. But make no mistake, before there was ever a male god, this world was thought to have been born from the female power. Goddess. And to this day the patriarchy that overthrew the matriarchal communities, still believes itself superior to women. We see that in every aspect of the world community. From the radical islam that believes women are worthless and must be subservient to men, to sects of christianity that still believe a woman must be subservient not only to the male god of the faith, but their husbands or fathers until they do marry.
However, in the beginning Shadow, god was a woman.
Shadow_Hill
Mar 9 2007, 04:48 PM
QUOTE(IamsSon @ Mar 9 2007, 04:13 PM) [snapback]1575017[/snapback]
I can understand why it's imperative for female praying mantises to kill their mates immediately after mating and yet not have to be subjected to that myself to understand it.
You know why they do it... you don't know how they feel when they do. A human cannot understand an emotion he has not experienced. You can comprehend the mechanics, but that's all. And praying mantises already exist... your knowledge of them comes from their existence and what you have been taught about them. If they didn't exist you wouldn't understand them.
Before us, we didn't exist, so did God experience loneliness?
QUOTE(IamsSon @ Mar 9 2007, 04:13 PM) [snapback]1575017[/snapback]
You're making several assumptions here. For one you're assuming that just because you can't grasp something you haven't experienced, God is limited in the same way, something you have absolutely no way of proving and no reason for even making this assumption.
I don't deny I've only got my little human brain.

. No doubt at all that that's limiting. But I am not making an assumption... I am questioning how it is possible that God can create an emotion which did not exist prior to our creation, and to a certain extent what the purpose of it would be. I am not stating that it is impossible, and therefore why would I be required to provide proof either way. I cannot prove the existence of God in the first place, so perhaps we should steer clear of the idea of providing proof here.

QUOTE(IamsSon @ Mar 9 2007, 04:13 PM) [snapback]1575017[/snapback]
This Christian friend you asked, where did he get his degree in Theology? The reason I ask is because you said he told you what he believed, so it would be interesting to know what basis he has for this belief and why his belief should be the only thing you base your opinion on.
That's another assumption. I did not imply that I based my opinion on what he said (where did I say that?) - I merely passed on his opinion. I most certainly don't agree with it, and I haven't for one minute concluded that he speaks for the entire Christian faith.
Risov Misa
Mar 9 2007, 05:14 PM
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Before us, we didn't exist, so did God experience loneliness?
In my beliefs, no, he/she didn't, or doesn't. Why? Because deities are created differently, or the person that they've become is very different than the way they were before. Their consciousness is much different than any primitive being, and plus, they probably keep themselves busy.
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Why is God a bachelor? And male? I know it's a pointless exercise to try to define God, but I can't help wondering why there is only one God.
"God(s)" don't really have gender or a need for the same concept of gender as nature and as primitive beings need to identify with, as they are perfectly aligned with each soul aspect of themselves, male and female. There really isn't a dominant side because he/she has achieved and learned to strengthen both halves. "God(s)" don't need another soul being as a mate of some sort, their mate is within themselves, male and female halves, complete match of one whole...So I guess you can say they mate with themselves, except its not the same concept as most humans imagine it to be like.
Why would there be only one "God" in the vast depth of space? There are other life forms, other galaxies, universes, etc...There will be a need for a "God" in those places as well.
Shadow_Hill
Mar 9 2007, 05:23 PM
QUOTE(Risov @ Mar 9 2007, 05:14 PM) [snapback]1575089[/snapback]
their mate is within themselves, male and female halves, complete match of one whole...So I guess you can say they mate with themselves, except its not the same concept as most humans imagine it to be like.
So are they like one soul made up of two halves, or more like two souls creating one whole? A being with no gender at all, or a being composed of both sexes like a spiritual marriage of two beings creating one complete being? Did that make sense?
John A Spera
Mar 9 2007, 05:51 PM
QUOTE(Shadow_Hill @ Mar 9 2007, 02:57 PM) [snapback]1574928[/snapback]
Why is God a bachelor? And male? I know it's a pointless exercise to try to define God, but I can't help wondering why there is only one God.
If we were created by God... us and all the little beasties... then everything we do/feel must be understood by him. He's supposed to know everything after all. So if he understands the need to be part of a pair, then why is he single? Now I know it's unsafe to assume that the fact that God would understand wanting to be in a pair must equate to him experiencing the need to be in one. And I know I'm limited with my little human brain. But why would a single God want us to be in pairs?
I have no understanding of something which does not exist... so if loneliness didn't exist for God then how could he create us with the ability to feel it? I asked a Christian friend, and he said he believed loneliness was deliberately created to force us to find a mate, to procreate. But if procreation is the ultimate goal of man's loneliness then God could have created us with all the bits to do it alone.

And what about gay couples?
What my Christian friend did object to was my suggestion that God was lonely. He said I was attributing human emotions to God, which I shouldn't do, but that seemed a bit hypocritical because his God is apparently a jealous one.

These are all good questions.
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I'm asking what others think because as I try to find my own path these questions come up, and whilst I don't expect to find answers I do hope to find possibilities and more questions to help me along. I am on the verge of possibly coming to the conclusion (eventually) that we have creators, rather than a creator... or that we are created from something made up of numerous parts.
There is a concept that God is the collective energy of "All That IS". In this view our higher self is aware and experioences the feelings/experiences for everything. There is a collective consensus amount all unique beings who share this higher self awareness and that view is considered the "Mind of God".
It is in our human expression that we experience distinctions that ALL higher self(s) wishes to understand more fully. Therefore our state of seperation from being one with all things is contrived. This I think is done for a grand purpose that hides from our human awareness.
As humans some of us are encouraged to discover our divinity. I do not think this makes them better in ANY way however it does lead some to think like that.
In my view every human is a divene expression with a blessed purpose. There are projected potentials for each of us and the game of life is to see if we can reach our highest potential. The concept of good/bad as we see it is a limitation construct. I suspect Very Few would agree with that view because none of us like pain or suffering.
In the end you will need to answer your own questions. I hope my views assist you in some way.
valiens
Mar 9 2007, 06:20 PM
God is single and male and smokes a cigar. Wait, that was George Burns. Never mind.
Tangerine Sheri
Mar 9 2007, 06:32 PM
shadow the journey is the next question....the journey stagnates when its the path of answers..It never ceses to amaze me how one attempt ts to make sense of soemthing htat makes no sense, for me that is the appeal to the relgious construct..sort of like a field trip to the kooky bin.....not inferring anyone is crazy just the beleifs are absurd.. taken as literal..
QUOTE(Shadow_Hill @ Mar 9 2007, 02:57 PM) [snapback]1574928[/snapback]
And I know I'm limited with my little human brain.
Exactly. Let's leave it at that. Accept and move on.QUOTE(Shadow_Hill @ Mar 9 2007, 02:57 PM) [snapback]1574928[/snapback]
I'm asking what others think because ... I do hope to find possibilities and more questions to help me along.
The "Spirituality, Religion and Beliefs" section of this website has tons of amazing info and debates. True, topics endlessly loop at times, but take them as they come, or ignore them. Check them all out, from beginning to end, to basically avoid looping.
Shankpin
Mar 9 2007, 08:26 PM
God is both male and female.
but, is more feminine than masculine, despite whatever religious biggots suggests.
God is pro-creator, mother nature, loving, forgiving, comforting (feminine)-
and also disciplinarian/wrath, strong, protector.. (masculine).
Darkwind
Mar 9 2007, 08:50 PM
I am a polytheist, and according my understanding there is more than one God. There are many Gods and Goddesses. Why not, the Universe has many stars, galaxies, planets, black holes. I can't think of anything there is just one, so it makes sense there is more than one God.
mako
Mar 9 2007, 11:13 PM
Well, according to Dr. Dever the emminent archaeologist in his book, "Did God Have a Wife?"; he did indeed have a wife in the early Hebrew religion. Her name was Asherah and she was the Moon Goddess and the Goddess of Love. There is a substantial amount of evidence for this. You might want to google this.
SilverCougar
Mar 9 2007, 11:22 PM
QUOTE(mako @ Mar 9 2007, 11:13 PM) [snapback]1575515[/snapback]
Well, according to Dr. Dever the emminent archaeologist in his book, "Did God Have a Wife?"; he did indeed have a wife in the early Hebrew religion. Her name was Asherah and she was the Moon Goddess and the Goddess of Love. There is a substantial amount of evidence for this. You might want to google this.

No wonder why we're having so many issues!! She's probaly tired of being forgotten, and well you know what they say about a woman scorned!
Darkwind
Mar 9 2007, 11:29 PM
QUOTE(SilverCougar @ Mar 9 2007, 11:22 PM) [snapback]1575525[/snapback]
No wonder why we're having so many issues!! She's probaly tired of being forgotten, and well you know what they say about a woman scorned!
Yes

especially if the have claws and sharp teeth.
msadventures
Mar 9 2007, 11:31 PM
I guess you weren't really asking it as a question, but if you were I would say ...
Because if you're in charge of molding a society, pantheism isn't very good for inspiring enough self-rightous pride and bigotry in your subjects to march them off to war and have them feel good about commiting war atrocities. Once you allow for pantheism, people might get the idea that other people's gods are gods too, and maybe even respect others enough to feel guilty about obeying the orders they're given.
Or (2) Once the demiurge has you believing that there is nothing besides whatever image of holiness he presents himself as, except for the "dark forces of evil" which are him also, then he really owns your soul.
Lotus Flower
Mar 9 2007, 11:32 PM
To ask why God hasn't got a wife is implying that He is incomplete, which couldn't be true, because God is supposed to be omnipotent.
MUM24/7
Mar 10 2007, 12:25 AM
MUM24/7
Mar 10 2007, 12:41 AM
QUOTE(dlv @ Mar 10 2007, 06:44 AM) [snapback]1575270[/snapback]
Exactly. Let's leave it at that. Accept and move on
Except for the fact that humans are intelligent beings with the
God-given 
right to utilise their brain power.....So we will not rest until we find all the answers !!
dlv
Mar 10 2007, 12:53 AM
QUOTE(MUM24/7 @ Mar 10 2007, 12:41 AM) [snapback]1575630[/snapback]
Except for the fact that humans are intelligent beings with the
God-given 
right to utilise their brain power.....So we will not rest until we find all the answers !!

You always have the right to assume anything you want. Then again, "Assumption is the mother of all #@!#-ups," so people also say. Just a thought.
MUM24/7
Mar 10 2007, 01:09 AM
QUOTE(dlv @ Mar 10 2007, 11:53 AM) [snapback]1575653[/snapback]
You always have the right to assume anything you want. Then again, "Assumption is the mother of all #@!#-ups," so people also say. Just a thought.
So am I wrong to assume that we are the intelligent ones out of all God's creations??
Hawkmason
Mar 10 2007, 01:25 AM
just imagine it now
Mrs God "Take out the trash"
Mr GOd " Honey, im creating civilization"
Mrs god " Honey!"
Mr God "....o ok"
thats the real story of how we had the Dark Ages
Paranoid Android
Mar 10 2007, 02:07 AM
God is Spirit, neither male nor female. We ascribe a male persona on to him because we can't just go around calling God an "it"...... well, I guess you could, but since Christians believe God is a personal God, there needs to be a personal connection to a "him" (or a her, but the Bible chose him). This does not make God male, anymore than a sailor calling his boat a "she" gives the vessel a gender.
Why only one God though? That's a longer question to answer, and I've got to head off to work shortly and don't really have time to examine it

Regards, PA
JMPD1
Mar 10 2007, 02:57 AM
Why is there only one?
Because he is a vain, egotistical jealous god. And if you don't believe him, he'll make you sorry
dlv
Mar 10 2007, 03:01 AM
QUOTE(MUM24/7 @ Mar 10 2007, 01:09 AM) [snapback]1575677[/snapback]
So am I wrong to assume that we are the intelligent ones out of all God's creations??

It is not for me to say that you are right or wrong. But, if you truly believe you are one of the "intelligent ones out of all God's creations," then that's your right to say so, I certainly cannot stop you, nor do I have any desire to stop you from saying it. On the other hand, nothing goes unnoticed, and I believe this world (this perfected God-made machine) has a way of testing your conviction.
MUM24/7
Mar 10 2007, 03:27 AM
QUOTE(dlv @ Mar 10 2007, 02:01 PM) [snapback]1575851[/snapback]
It is not for me to say that you are right or wrong. But, if you truly believe you are one of the "intelligent ones out of all God's creations," then that's your right to say so, I certainly cannot stop you, nor do I have any desire to stop you from saying it. On the other hand, nothing goes unnoticed, and I believe this world (this perfected God-made machine) has a way of testing your conviction.
I'm sorry but this doesn't make sense to me at all !!
You stated previously, to just accept things and move on ....I said that as intelligent beings we need to find answers and then you proceeded to tell me that I'm making assumptions.....So, I asked you am I wrong to assume we're the intelligent ones in God's creations and you reply with the above.....
I don't get it !!! 
Don't you agree that of all the creatures on this planet, human beings are the
only ones with intelligence to think, analyse, question, design, invent and so on ??
msadventures
Mar 10 2007, 04:43 AM
QUOTE(MUM24/7 @ Mar 9 2007, 08:09 PM) [snapback]1575677[/snapback]
So am I wrong to assume that we are the intelligent ones out of all God's creations??

QUOTE(MUM24/7 @ Mar 9 2007, 10:27 PM) [snapback]1575882[/snapback]
I don't get it !!! 
Don't you agree that of all the creatures on this planet, human beings are the
only ones with intelligence to think, analyse, question, design, invent and so on ??
You didn't specify "on this planet", there's a whole universe. I hope humans aren't the most intelligent of god's creations. That would make god a poor designer. But for example how would you know whether dolphins aren't more intelligent than humans? Building things requires hands as well as minds. So why should building be considered a determination of intelligence? We aren't intelligent enough to translate dolphin language. Who knows if they've ever understood ours? For all we know, they could be spending all day discussing philosophy and advanced mathmatics, in between poetry readings and word games.
Hawkmason
Mar 10 2007, 05:51 AM
QUOTE(msadventures @ Mar 9 2007, 11:43 PM) [snapback]1575976[/snapback]
You didn't specify "on this planet", there's a whole universe. I hope humans aren't the most intelligent of god's creations. That would make god a poor designer. But for example how would you know whether dolphins aren't more intelligent than humans? Building things requires hands as well as minds. So why should building be considered a determination of intelligence? We aren't intelligent enough to translate dolphin language. Who knows if they've ever understood ours? For all we know, they could be spending all day discussing philosophy and advanced mathmatics, in between poetry readings and word games.
wow...very very good point
i never thought of that
i guess it puts that Weird Simpsons episode into perspective
Bee Eff
Mar 10 2007, 05:57 AM
QUOTE(Shadow_Hill @ Mar 9 2007, 07:57 AM) [snapback]1574928[/snapback]
Why is God a bachelor? And male? I know it's a pointless exercise to try to define God, but I can't help wondering why there is only one God.
If we were created by God... us and all the little beasties... then everything we do/feel must be understood by him. He's supposed to know everything after all. So if he understands the need to be part of a pair, then why is he single? Now I know it's unsafe to assume that the fact that God would understand wanting to be in a pair must equate to him experiencing the need to be in one. And I know I'm limited with my little human brain. But why would a single God want us to be in pairs?
I have no understanding of something which does not exist... so if loneliness didn't exist for God then how could he create us with the ability to feel it? I asked a Christian friend, and he said he believed loneliness was deliberately created to force us to find a mate, to procreate. But if procreation is the ultimate goal of man's loneliness then God could have created us with all the bits to do it alone.

And what about gay couples?
What my Christian friend did object to was my suggestion that God was lonely. He said I was attributing human emotions to God, which I shouldn't do, but that seemed a bit hypocritical because his God is apparently a jealous one.
I'm asking what others think because as I try to find my own path these questions come up, and whilst I don't expect to find answers I do hope to find possibilities and more questions to help me along. I am on the verge of possibly coming to the conclusion (eventually) that we have creators, rather than a creator... or that we are created from something made up of numerous parts.
I believe God, the Biblical one, has a wife. She merely is not mentioned in the text of the Bible.
Bill Hill
Mar 10 2007, 06:20 AM
Why is there only one God?
It's obvious! He could only build one of him..self.....himself? ah....er yeah I see what you mean.
er It's a chicken and egg situation- which came first? God created the chicken and the egg.. see and...
Risov Misa
Mar 10 2007, 07:21 AM
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So are they like one soul made up of two halves, or more like two souls creating one whole? A being with no gender at all, or a being composed of both sexes like a spiritual marriage of two beings creating one complete being? Did that make sense?
Any soul has a male and female aspect, one male half, and one female half of -one- soul. A soul is -whole- when it has both the male and female aspects together. For example, you take a circle, and you cut it in half 50/50, what are you left with? Two halves of the same circle, and then when you put the two pieces together, it becomes the circle.
Though each soul has its own energy and consciousness, and souls learn various types of lessons, so there won't nor will there be any soul that is exactly the same for any long periods of time. Therefore, there can never be a completely different soul that can truely make another soul whole--a person can only make their soul whole with their own parts of themselves. There will be lifetimes where each soul goes into a process of switching from male to female, taking turns experiencing and learning what it needs to, and in doing so, each male and female half will/might get stronger. Although that really depends how well the soul learns.
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From Sunny98:
God is both male and female.
but, is more feminine than masculine, despite whatever religious biggots suggests.
God is pro-creator, mother nature, loving, forgiving, comforting (feminine)-
and also disciplinarian/wrath, strong, protector.. (masculine).
I agree, and "God(s)" can be anything they want or/and need to be, because they have the knowledge to do it.
Crimson_Magician_7
Mar 10 2007, 05:00 PM
Okay, you talk about the hebrew god...uh what god do wish to talk about. Jehova? Yaweh? Elohim? Adonai? The supreme godforce known to them as Tertagrammaton has no gender or human qualities we can imagine so it gets off the hook.
Which of the "One god" are you speaking about?
Darkwind
Mar 10 2007, 05:14 PM
QUOTE(Crimson_Magician_7 @ Mar 10 2007, 05:00 PM) [snapback]1576602[/snapback]
Which of the "One god" are you speaking about?
That is funny. I wonder how many "One God" there are?
Moondoggy
Mar 10 2007, 05:39 PM
Numbers 23:19 "God is not a man that he should lie, neither the son of man, that he should repent..." Okay, so then what is God? John 4:24 "God is a Spirit..." Anytime God is described with human attributes. The Hebrew figure called "Derek Benai Adam" is used the equivillent figure in the Greek language is "Anthropathea". These simply mean that figurative language is employed so mankind can better understand God who is Spirit. So God is not a humanoid at all but a Spirit being. I do not expect any of you to know these figures as English only teaches a few of them in our academia. But the Hebrew and Greek syntax employs over 212 different grammatical figures of speech and if one is not privy to them them it is hopeless on the behalf of a translator to accurately produce the correct meaning into English, which is why there is so much error in our English translation of the Bible.
Mister Meow
Mar 11 2007, 09:29 AM
The oldest organized religion on the planet is Hinduism, which supports the view of many Gods and Godesses. Even early Judaism supported polytheism. Monotheism is a fairly recent development in the evolution of religion. Christians worship two beings as "God". Yahweh and Jesus. So to answer your question, there are many Gods and Godesses.
Ashley-Star*Child
Mar 11 2007, 11:53 AM
Speaking of the female side of God, the word Elohim is plural male and singular female. The female side of God is called the Shekinah and is what christians call the holy spirit. So, there is a female side to God afterall. That is why it says 'let US made man in OUR image'. That aside, I doubt God is lonely, he made a few billion angels (who are actually 'the sons of God' Benai Elohim) to keep him company, and he IS capable of emotion.
Mister Meow
Mar 11 2007, 02:34 PM
The Elohim are plural and have nothing to do with the holy spirit or any other Christian creation. The old testament was written by competing groups of hebrews, with different gods. English translations hide this fact by translating the different named gods into "Lord", "God", "the Lord your God", etc. As far as english speaking people go, and the whole world goes, there has never been a deity in any religion on the earth, named "god".
Ashley-Star*Child
Mar 11 2007, 03:02 PM
Really? I AM a Jew practicing Judaism, and I have FULL understanding of the meaning of the word ELOHIM in Hebrew. Don't make assumptions on that with you don't know about.
Mainpoint
Mar 11 2007, 05:46 PM
QUOTE(Shadow_Hill @ Mar 9 2007, 02:57 PM) [snapback]1574928[/snapback]
Why is God a bachelor? And male? I know it's a pointless exercise to try to define God, but I can't help wondering why there is only one God.
If we were created by God... us and all the little beasties... then everything we do/feel must be understood by him. He's supposed to know everything after all. So if he understands the need to be part of a pair, then why is he single? Now I know it's unsafe to assume that the fact that God would understand wanting to be in a pair must equate to him experiencing the need to be in one. And I know I'm limited with my little human brain. But why would a single God want us to be in pairs?
I have no understanding of something which does not exist... so if loneliness didn't exist for God then how could he create us with the ability to feel it? I asked a Christian friend, and he said he believed loneliness was deliberately created to force us to find a mate, to procreate. But if procreation is the ultimate goal of man's loneliness then God could have created us with all the bits to do it alone.

And what about gay couples?
What my Christian friend did object to was my suggestion that God was lonely. He said I was attributing human emotions to God, which I shouldn't do, but that seemed a bit hypocritical because his God is apparently a jealous one.
I'm asking what others think because as I try to find my own path these questions come up, and whilst I don't expect to find answers I do hope to find possibilities and more questions to help me along. I am on the verge of possibly coming to the conclusion (eventually) that we have creators, rather than a creator... or that we are created from something made up of numerous parts.
In true monotheistic religions like islam and judaism God is Unisex. Only christianity which has a hint of polytheistic belief makes God a Man ie A Man and His Son and a Holy Ghost to play with No Women!!!!!!
dlv
Mar 11 2007, 11:21 PM
QUOTE(MUM24/7 @ Mar 10 2007, 03:27 AM) [snapback]1575882[/snapback]
I'm sorry but this doesn't make sense to me at all !!
You stated previously, to just accept things and move on ....I said that as intelligent beings we need to find answers and then you proceeded to tell me that I'm making assumptions.....So, I asked you am I wrong to assume we're the intelligent ones in God's creations and you reply with the above.....
I don't get it !!! 
Don't you agree that of all the creatures on this planet, human beings are the
only ones with intelligence to think, analyse, question, design, invent and so on ??
I'm back ... from an almost endless nights (and mornings) of "underground" partying. And it's Sunday, late afternoon...
For one to accept and move on, one must do everything in one's power (until one's mind is almost exhausted). This is the nature of surrender.
Unfortunately, not everything in this world is for you to get. The universe has endless levels. Even the smartest human on Earth would probably feel embarrassed by saying "human beings are the only ones with intelligence..." Have you ever scuba dive with sharks around? If so, who's more intelligent: you or them? How about a human versus a hyena or a cheetah in the wild, let's see? And if humans are so intelligent, why do they invent harmful things to the environment and to themselves??? Not very clever, indeed. Other creatures didn't invent BAD things.
Therefore, humans are the most needy creatures on Earth since they love to invent things to cure their boredom and insecurities.
On the other hand, a human being has an erect spinal column, which is very important in a psychic sense...
You assume that it is a "GOD-GIVEN RIGHT" to use your intelligence..., but that's okay. You have the right to assume, like I said. It's a free country. I hope you don't need a trophy for it...
Just a collective thought.
MUM24/7
Mar 11 2007, 11:44 PM
QUOTE(dlv @ Mar 12 2007, 10:21 AM) [snapback]1578220[/snapback]
I'm back ... from an almost endless nights (and mornings) of "underground" partying. And it's Sunday, late afternoon...
For one to accept and move on, one must do everything in one's power (until one's mind is almost exhausted). This is the nature of surrender.
Unfortunately, not everything in this world is for you to get. The universe has endless levels. Even the smartest human on Earth would probably feel embarrassed by saying "human beings are the only ones with intelligence..." Have you ever scuba dive with sharks around? If so, who's more intelligent: you or them? How about a human versus a hyena or a cheetah in the wild, let's see? And if humans are so intelligent, why do they invent harmful things to the environment and to themselves??? Not very clever, indeed. Other creatures didn't event BAD things.
Therefore, humans are the most needy creatures on Earth since they love to invent things to cure their boredom and insecurities.
On the other hand, a human being has an erect spinal column, which is very important in a psychic sense...
You assume that it is a "GOD-GIVEN RIGHT" to use your intelligence..., but that's okay. You have the right to assume, like I said. It's a free country. I hope you don't need a trophy for it...
Just a collective thought.
Fair enough then......

I'll let you sober up, we'll talk soon........
dlv
Mar 11 2007, 11:57 PM
QUOTE(MUM24/7 @ Mar 11 2007, 11:44 PM) [snapback]1578243[/snapback]
Fair enough then......

I'll let you sober up, we'll talk soon........

There you go again..., BUT you have the right to assume. The truth is: I don't drink, but I am exhausted from tearin' the dancefloor -- I'm not getting any younger, know wot I mean.
Mainpoint
Mar 11 2007, 11:59 PM
QUOTE(Shadow_Hill @ Mar 9 2007, 02:57 PM) [snapback]1574928[/snapback]
Why is God a bachelor? And male? I know it's a pointless exercise to try to define God, but I can't help wondering why there is only one God.
If we were created by God... us and all the little beasties... then everything we do/feel must be understood by him. He's supposed to know everything after all. So if he understands the need to be part of a pair, then why is he single? Now I know it's unsafe to assume that the fact that God would understand wanting to be in a pair must equate to him experiencing the need to be in one. And I know I'm limited with my little human brain. But why would a single God want us to be in pairs?
I have no understanding of something which does not exist... so if loneliness didn't exist for God then how could he create us with the ability to feel it? I asked a Christian friend, and he said he believed loneliness was deliberately created to force us to find a mate, to procreate. But if procreation is the ultimate goal of man's loneliness then God could have created us with all the bits to do it alone.

And what about gay couples?
What my Christian friend did object to was my suggestion that God was lonely. He said I was attributing human emotions to God, which I shouldn't do, but that seemed a bit hypocritical because his God is apparently a jealous one.
I'm asking what others think because as I try to find my own path these questions come up, and whilst I don't expect to find answers I do hope to find possibilities and more questions to help me along. I am on the verge of possibly coming to the conclusion (eventually) that we have creators, rather than a creator... or that we are created from something made up of numerous parts.
Its elementary my dear watson
it depends on your belief
There are many mainstream religions that differ quite a bit on the number of Gods you are supposed to believe in.
From strictly monotheistic religions such as islam and judaism to other extreme polytheistic religions such as hinduism.
Take your pick.
ND-DAVE
Mar 12 2007, 12:22 AM
Two big writings in scipture that have allways led me to believe that God is male or in a male form is that when he created man he said that he made man in the heavenly image of the angels and him. He then made man a companion in the woman when man needed that companion aside from God and the animal. That does not make woman inferior or less than a man. When God created woman he used the same essence and purity that he used to make man. One aspect to look at with women is that stated by scripture woman was the first to sin and was the one to bring sin to man. That was her punishment was to be lower than man because she introduced sin to man and was the first to sin. But still God stated that a man should not treat a woman lesser than himself but because she is trully a part of man (since she was created from a peice of man, the rib) and when they join they become one. For a man to treat a woman lesser than himself in that union would mean that a man is treating himself wrongly. God also made woman so that life comes through her. without women man would not be and man should resepect the woman for she creates life on earth.
Another point in scripture is when Moses spoke to the burning bush and asked how shall I adress you to your people, And the Lord stated I am He who is He, your God. Now you could still make the caim that the Bible was written by man and that is why that is stated or you could still hold the clam that the Bible is fraud or false. But when it comes to faith, holy scripture is a keystone in such belief.
God has adressed himself as the father of the universe, so by the human language the father is male so God would be male. There isn't a Mrs. God because God does not have the human neccesity for a companion. Angels have been stated to have desires for female women which would state that they too are male, But as I have said before we wont truly know until we get there and are able to ask for ourselves, maybe there is a Mrs. God maybe God is not male? Who knows, Nobody until we get the truth for ourselves.
M.A.D
Mar 12 2007, 03:05 AM
QUOTE(Shadow_Hill @ Mar 9 2007, 02:57 PM) [snapback]1574928[/snapback]
Why is God a bachelor? And male? I know it's a pointless exercise to try to define God, but I can't help wondering why there is only one God.
If we were created by God... us and all the little beasties... then everything we do/feel must be understood by him. He's supposed to know everything after all. So if he understands the need to be part of a pair, then why is he single? Now I know it's unsafe to assume that the fact that God would understand wanting to be in a pair must equate to him experiencing the need to be in one. And I know I'm limited with my little human brain. But why would a single God want us to be in pairs?
I have no understanding of something which does not exist... so if loneliness didn't exist for God then how could he create us with the ability to feel it? I asked a Christian friend, and he said he believed loneliness was deliberately created to force us to find a mate, to procreate. But if procreation is the ultimate goal of man's loneliness then God could have created us with all the bits to do it alone.

And what about gay couples?
What my Christian friend did object to was my suggestion that God was lonely. He said I was attributing human emotions to God, which I shouldn't do, but that seemed a bit hypocritical because his God is apparently a jealous one.
I'm asking what others think because as I try to find my own path these questions come up, and whilst I don't expect to find answers I do hope to find possibilities and more questions to help me along. I am on the verge of possibly coming to the conclusion (eventually) that we have creators, rather than a creator... or that we are created from something made up of numerous parts.
for me when i look at my mother and father ,for it took those two and become one in me their son yes that is of flesh that i was born from my mother i came and gives me good base.
but that path that i walk asends to the top were the spark of my father shine bright showing me a rainbow of colar along the way.
its their love, in their heart ,in that chamber of marrige that i came to walk.
and its my holy spirit that gives form and idoshine.
Mr Walker
Mar 12 2007, 03:20 AM
There is a very good and logical reason for there only being one god, at least within the cosmos known to us. Given that god, by definition, is capable of manipulating (if not creating and destroying) matter, altering space /time and energy forms, there is really only room for one of them in each cosmos. Imagine two gods, " that planet has too much water. Zap! Now it is just right"
"That nebulae just does not go in that part of the universe. Zap! that's better."
One god, one cosmos makes sense. Of course there could have been a time in the dim past when gods fought over universes, like T rexes over territory, but given their powers and nature it would make "evolutionary" sense for each to establish their own patch of turf. Thus our cosmos has, since its beginning been the "home" of just one god.This entity retains its powers and is either "immortal" or, more likely, exists outside what we see as the time continuum, because it certainly can see and alter this time line. For some reason it directly intervenes in its creation on both the macro and micro levels (not difficult for an entity which can be any where/any when at any one time) This includes bits of it leaking to, or communicating with human beings. Humans cannot see or comprehend the entirity of this being, although they have some conception of its powers, so they tend to interpret what they experience in terms which are relevant to their scientific and cultural millieu. Thus men from a patriachal society will invest it with a masculine nature while societies with a connection to life and the earth may invest it with a more feminine or at least balanced gender. Societies in tough times tend to see the more powerful and warlike elements. Societies which are oppressed may see the shape of a liberator. All are experiencing a part of a very real entity. I don't know or understand why this entity watches over some people and takes a particular interest in them, but my experience and that of many writers over the centuries, indicates that it does. Perhaps a part of it is linked with us, if we are actually created in its own "image." Perhaps this is just a part of its ongoing function. However i know that it still exists, is capable of, and chooses to, intervene on an individual level within our world today. Generally, its greatest gift and at the same time greatest curse, is free will. Mostly, we and our environment are what we make of it, but sometimes, for good reason or on a whim, the entity intervenes.
Darkwind
Mar 12 2007, 03:58 AM
QUOTE
There is a very good and logical reason for there only being one god, at least within the cosmos known to us. Given that god, by definition, is capable of manipulating (if not creating and destroying) matter, altering space /time and energy forms, there is really only room for one of them in each cosmos. Imagine two gods, " that planet has too much water. Zap! Now it is just right"
"That nebulae just does not go in that part of the universe. Zap! that's better."
Maybe that has been what is going on. Your are waking along not a care in the world then ZAP!!! Just one human to many.
MUM24/7
Mar 12 2007, 05:32 AM
QUOTE(dlv @ Mar 12 2007, 10:57 AM) [snapback]1578253[/snapback]
There you go again..., BUT you have the right to assume. The truth is: I don't drink, but I am exhausted from tearin' the dancefloor -- I'm not getting any younger, know wot I mean.
Oh, righteeo then.....So you fancy yourself a bit of a mover and shaker, eh??
So you have the energy to get down and boogie, 'endless nights and mornings', but you're not getting any younger!!!! Plus you don't drink.....
Well, you know me, I love to assume, so I reckon you must be 17 yrs old and 10 months....
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