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Harte
QUOTE(Ryo Ohki @ May 31 2007, 01:39 PM) [snapback]1702792[/snapback]
What is a cubit?

Reference Bill Cosby - "Noah" Riiight? "What's an Ark?"

Harte
Pax Unum
QUOTE(Ryo Ohki @ May 31 2007, 01:39 PM) [snapback]1702792[/snapback]
What is a cubit?

QUOTE(Wikipedia)
Cubit is the name for any one of many units of measure used by various ancient peoples and is among the first recorded units of length.

The cubit is based on measuring by comparing especially cords and textiles, but also for timbers and stones to ones forearm length. The Egyptian hieroglyph for the unit shows this symbol. It was employed consistently through Antiquity, the Middle-Ages up to the Early Modern Times.

The distance between thumb and another finger to the elbow on an average person and measures about 24 digits or 6 palms or 1 foot. This is about 45 cm or 18 inches. This so-called "natural cubit" of 1 foot is used in the Roman system of measures and in different Greek systems.

However, since, for example, the measuring of cords from the middle of one's body to the fingers of the outstretched arm is more practical, early on, one called also cubit all measures "over one's ellbow".

Over time, units similar in type to the cubit have measured:

7 palms = 28 digits, i.e. ~52.5 cm or 21 inches (1.75 ft)
8 palms = 32 digits, i.e. ~60.0 cm or 24 inches (2.00 ft)
9 palms = 36 digits, i.e. ~67.5 cm or 27 inches (2.25 ft)
From late Antiquity, the Roman ulna, a four-feet-cubit (about 120 cm) is also attested. This length is the measure from a man's hip to the fingers of the outstretched opposite arm.

The English yard could be considered to be a type of cubit, measuring 12 palms, ~90 cm, or 36 inches (3.00 ft). This is the measure from the middle of a man's body to his fingers, always with outstretched arm. The English ell is essentially a kind of great cubit of 15 palms, 114 cm, or 45 inches (3.75 ft).


LINK-> Cubit
crystal sage
QUOTE(Ryo Ohki @ Jun 1 2007, 04:39 AM) [snapback]1702792[/snapback]
What is a cubit?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubit

http://atara.net/deep_secrets/
apollyon
anyone who can understand and look at the genetic evidence knows that Plato was a good storyteller but not a historian
Lux Felix
QUOTE(apollyon @ Jun 1 2007, 02:30 AM) [snapback]1703510[/snapback]
anyone who can understand and look at the genetic evidence knows that Plato was a good storyteller but not a historian


Plato learned what he knew on atlantis by the Egyptian.

I read about the Shardana people (the people from the sea) , they were good mercenaries and warriors who served the farao for long time.
One day the went to war against the farao and his allied, but the attack in Egypt was repulsed....and all the shardanas captured and killed.

Almust suddently the shardana culture faded away.

Now if Plato learned about Atlantis from the Egyptians, it could wery well be the famous attack was not repulsed by teh greek in Greece, but by the Egyptians in Egypt.
Plato was Greek, and everything he was talking about was supposed to by used in Greek politics. So it is not impossible he made everything up, first Atlantis didnt
dissaper in the sea (probaby the shardana homeland was SARDINIA, SHARDANA - SARDINIA/SARDEGNA, the inhabitants of the SARDINIA island are called SARDI), second the atlantians were wise and good people, but as soon they rebelled they became evil and they were punish by the gods (the shardana lost the war against the farao).

http://www.courses.psu.edu/cams/cams400w_a...ww/shardana.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shardana

and here is some picture of the mysterious NURAGHI, strange ancient buildings who are found almust everywhere in the island.

http://www.sardiniapoint.it/8638.html

http://faculty.ed.umuc.edu/~jmatthew/naples/nuraghipage.htm

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=ht.../language_tools

and there is also a "pyramid"

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=ht.../language_tools

I know this teory is not fantastick like the lost continent with superpowered and high tech atlantians battlemech, but at least along with the minoican teory, it's more plausible.
M.A.D
QUOTE(M.A.D @ May 30 2007, 07:20 PM) [snapback]1701224[/snapback]
well since i've come on here i been talking about a man in heaven and a man on earth and a man that those two are a reflextion of.

this man on earth that i see that is a reflextion of heaven ,well what i found of this man is ,yes i showed the head and the upper three but there's another head that man follows sometimes and this is of the lower three ,but still that is only six in number.

in that pussel of life just one more peace to go........


this weekend comming up and i'll be on the mt digging up the history of atlantis.
M.A.D
QUOTE(M.A.D @ Jun 1 2007, 11:31 AM) [snapback]1703899[/snapback]
this weekend comming up and i'll be on the mt digging up the history of atlantis.

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apollyon
good luck with that
you'll need it
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btw you know it wasn't really called Atlantis don't you ?
Pax Unum
QUOTE(Lux Felix @ Jun 1 2007, 04:34 AM) [snapback]1703792[/snapback]
Plato learned what he knew on atlantis by the Egyptian.

this isn't correct, Plato never got any information regarding Atlantis from the Egyptians...

QUOTE(Wikipedia)
The Timaeus begins with an introduction, followed by an account of the creations and structure of the universe and ancient civilizations. In the introduction, Socrates muses about the perfect society, described in Plato's Republic, and wonders if he and his guests might recollect a story which exemplifies such a society. Critias mentions an allegedly historical tale that would make the perfect example, and follows by describing Atlantis as is recorded in the Critias. In his account, ancient Athens seems to represent the "perfect society" and Atlantis its opponent, representing the very antithesis of the "perfect" traits described in the Republic. Critias claims that his accounts of ancient Athens and Atlantis stem from a visit to Egypt by the Athenian lawgiver Solon in the 6th century BC. In Egypt, Solon met a priest of Sais, who translated the history of ancient Athens and Atlantis, recorded on papyri in Egyptian hieroglyphs, into Greek.

so Solon supposedly got the story 300 years before Plato lived, and it was past on for generations, till it came to Critias...
M.A.D
QUOTE(apollyon @ Jun 3 2007, 01:53 AM) [snapback]1706313[/snapback]
good luck with that
you'll need it
mellow.gif
btw you know it wasn't really called Atlantis don't you ?


they were more than likly called the people of the atlantic then over time was shortened up.
apollyon
QUOTE(M.A.D @ Jun 3 2007, 02:15 PM) [snapback]1706761[/snapback]
they were more than likly called the people of the atlantic then over time was shortened up.

I find that idea a little unlikely because the Atlantic wasn't known by that name until 1601
the greeks called it "Oceanos"

it wasn't until Roman times that it was first called "the sea of Atlas" (Atlanticus) and only then because the Atlas mountains of N Africa border it
the earliest reference to it as the sea of Atlas comes from Herodotus in 450 BC

so theres no way that they were ever called "people of the Atlantic"
not unless time travel features highly in your theory

it never ceases to amaze me though that people will skim through Plato and then think they can go dig up Atlantis
did you read the end where it states that Atlantis sunk into the sea
doesnt say anything about it coming up again does it



M.A.D
QUOTE(apollyon @ Jun 3 2007, 04:53 PM) [snapback]1706944[/snapback]
I find that idea a little unlikely because the Atlantic wasn't known by that name until 1601
the greeks called it "Oceanos"

it wasn't until Roman times that it was first called "the sea of Atlas" (Atlanticus) and only then because the Atlas mountains of N Africa border it
the earliest reference to it as the sea of Atlas comes from Herodotus in 450 BC

so theres no way that they were ever called "people of the Atlantic"
not unless time travel features highly in your theory

it never ceases to amaze me though that people will skim through Plato and then think they can go dig up Atlantis
did you read the end where it states that Atlantis sunk into the sea
doesnt say anything about it coming up again does it


atlantis is the best name to be given to, that is why plato gave it or got it from the preast but were cape breton is in the heart of the atlantic prov,which of course is in the heart of the atlantic ocean is where he was decribing in land mass but of a time that was a long long time ago even plato himself.

and yes i did read the end of the story and when she sank she went right to the bottum but that only brought the water up to the base of the highlands of cape breton and if you like i can show you the beach rock to show where the waves came ashore .
Lux Felix
QUOTE(Pax Unum @ Jun 3 2007, 02:06 AM) [snapback]1706328[/snapback]
this isn't correct, Plato never got any information regarding Atlantis from the Egyptians...
so Solon supposedly got the story 300 years before Plato lived, and it was past on for generations, till it came to Critias...


oh, so i was wrong.

sorry.

crystal sage
http://wreckhunter.ca/saintpaul/index.asp

M.A.D
QUOTE(crystal sage @ Jun 5 2007, 12:00 AM) [snapback]1709188[/snapback]


thank you crystal sage i've allways said your better with the words than i'am.
M.A.D
i've even herd that some people think there was a chineas settelment here one time in the past some 22,000 of them,but it was called the island of seven city's back then.
apollyon
QUOTE(M.A.D @ Jun 4 2007, 06:31 PM) [snapback]1708567[/snapback]
atlantis is the best name to be given to, that is why plato gave it or got it from the preast but were cape breton is in the heart of the atlantic prov,which of course is in the heart of the atlantic ocean is where he was decribing in land mass but of a time that was a long long time ago even plato himself.

and yes i did read the end of the story and when she sank she went right to the bottum but that only brought the water up to the base of the highlands of cape breton and if you like i can show you the beach rock to show where the waves came ashore .

thats also completely wrong
Plato claimed that he got it from his teacher Socrates who found it amongst the papers of Solon who got it from Sonchis the egyptian priest
but the name was almost certainly made up by Plato
Atlantis means (belonging to Atlas)
the Egyptians didn't worship Atlas
and neither did any group before the greeks
so his description of it being ruled By Atlas is also a detail that he constructed
you can add to that his description of what it looked like because these details werent known by the egyptians either
and also the claim that it was in the Atlantic
so really
what is it you are now claiming that you can show me the Atlantis beach rock where the waves came ashore
in reality what you are offering to show me is some beach rock and nothing more
thats ok you can keep it as I live quite near a beach
thumbsup.gif
Lux Felix
QUOTE(apollyon @ Jun 6 2007, 11:42 AM) [snapback]1711422[/snapback]
Plato claimed that he got it from his teacher Socrates who found it amongst the papers of Solon who got it from Sonchis the egyptian priest
but the name was almost certainly made up by Plato


hahahaha I was right, the information regarding atlantis came from Egypt. So the Shardana idea is back on track.

Sonchis paper surely was about the Shardana (the people from the sea) invasion...who was beaten back by the farao 1.290bc; Plato just changed Egypt with Greece and Shardana with Atlantis (perhaps a wrong translation). So perhaps is the mystery solved wink2.gif
apollyon
on the other hand Plato could just as likely have made up Sonchis, and the rest of the stories pedigree to make it more interesting
just like today many films start with the legend "based on a true story" when in most cases they are completely made up
M.A.D
QUOTE(apollyon @ Jun 6 2007, 11:42 AM) [snapback]1711422[/snapback]
thats also completely wrong
Plato claimed that he got it from his teacher Socrates who found it amongst the papers of Solon who got it from Sonchis the egyptian priest
but the name was almost certainly made up by Plato
Atlantis means (belonging to Atlas)
the Egyptians didn't worship Atlas
and neither did any group before the greeks
so his description of it being ruled By Atlas is also a detail that he constructed
you can add to that his description of what it looked like because these details werent known by the egyptians either
and also the claim that it was in the Atlantic
so really
what is it you are now claiming that you can show me the Atlantis beach rock where the waves came ashore
in reality what you are offering to show me is some beach rock and nothing more
thats ok you can keep it as I live quite near a beach
thumbsup.gif


what i'm saying and what i've allways said ,the secrats of atlantis lye in the shadows of the bedrock of the highlands of cape breton.

but what i've said in past here on this site ,that at one time the highlands of cape breton was at a hight of at least 35 km because of being the center
of that known land mass when the earth was one and was also the highest and that is from the geoligy of the rock at hand.

and i've talked about where the beach rock at the base of here now ,today of where the water came ashore when she fell from grace as well.

but also i've talked about where there is a man in heaven and there is a man on earth but tell you the truth i think i found that man that they were
both made to look like.

and like me that i was made in gods image, i have found that bride and she is prepard and ready for that marrige that is only in heaven,i'm still
working on the geast list .

i've got her down to three main groups with a few stragalers picking up the rear.

but this place that i've showen in picture on this site is just the corner stone of hope that is needed for this generation will see that open door in
heaven.

and the light that comes from this door will shine like no other for this door will leed to our father the first father that is.

this will be brought to you all by the son for i am my fathers son i'm just the last of five in my family .

apollyon
QUOTE(M.A.D @ Jun 6 2007, 09:25 PM) [snapback]1712195[/snapback]
what i'm saying and what i've allways said ,the secrats of atlantis lye in the shadows of the bedrock of the highlands of cape breton.

but what i've said in past here on this site ,that at one time the highlands of cape breton was at a hight of at least 35 km because of being the center
of that known land mass when the earth was one and was also the highest and that is from the geoligy of the rock at hand.

and i've talked about where the beach rock at the base of here now ,today of where the water came ashore when she fell from grace as well.

but also i've talked about where there is a man in heaven and there is a man on earth but tell you the truth i think i found that man that they were
both made to look like.

and like me that i was made in gods image, i have found that bride and she is prepard and ready for that marrige that is only in heaven,i'm still
working on the geast list .

i've got her down to three main groups with a few stragalers picking up the rear.

but this place that i've showen in picture on this site is just the corner stone of hope that is needed for this generation will see that open door in
heaven.

and the light that comes from this door will shine like no other for this door will leed to our father the first father that is.

this will be brought to you all by the son for i am my fathers son i'm just the last of five in my family .

woohoo
innocent.gif
M.A.D
QUOTE(apollyon @ Jun 6 2007, 11:15 PM) [snapback]1712413[/snapback]
woohoo
innocent.gif

sorry me don't speak chineas .
Essan
QUOTE(M.A.D @ Jun 7 2007, 07:52 PM) [snapback]1713611[/snapback]
sorry me don't speak chineas .


It translates as "respectfully, I don't agree with your idea that Atlantis existed 250,000,000 years in what later became Cape Breton Island" grin2.gif
apollyon
QUOTE(Essan @ Jun 9 2007, 03:20 PM) [snapback]1716198[/snapback]
It translates as "respectfully, I don't agree with your idea that Atlantis existed 250,000,000 years in what later became Cape Breton Island" grin2.gif

respectfully ????????????????
M.A.D
QUOTE(Essan @ Jun 9 2007, 02:20 PM) [snapback]1716198[/snapback]
It translates as "respectfully, I don't agree with your idea that Atlantis existed 250,000,000 years in what later became Cape Breton Island" grin2.gif


respectfully 250,000,000 to 450,000,000 years is more like it
apollyon
450 million years
what are you smoking ?
Harte
QUOTE(apollyon @ Jun 9 2007, 07:19 PM) [snapback]1716669[/snapback]
450 million years
what are you smoking ?

Another Graham Hancrank victim.

H.
crystal sage
http://www.atlantisquest.com/Hiero.html

QUOTE
Now the "Land of the West" would be a natural Egyptian name for Atlantis. They sometimes referred to the Atlantic Ocean as the "Western Ocean". Did Manetho translate "foreign land" from set, or even more probably from Amentet? In either case, we probably have ourselves a reference to Atlantis in the writings of Manetho. Both glyphs are often translated by Egyptologists as "underworld" (Budge, 1966).


On much shakier ground is a claim by Dr. Paul Schliemann, grandson of the famous Heinrich Schliemann, that among other relics relating to Atlantis he discovered an Egyptian papyrus in the Hermitage at Leningrad which said: "Pharoah Sent sent out an expedition to the west in search of Atlantis from whence 3350 years before the Egyptians arrived carrying with themselves all the wisdom of their native land. The expedition returned after five years with the report that they had found neither people nor objects which could give them a clue to the vanished land." (Schliemann, 1912)

King Menes, the Ruler of Mizraim, the Land of the Two Crowns, the perished dead one in the West of the Horus race . . . The Commander-in-Chief of Ships made the complete course to the end of the Sunset Land. Sailing in ships, he completed the inspection of the Western Land. He built there a holding in Urani Land. At the Lake of the Peak, fate pierced him by a Hornet (or Wasp) . . . This drilled tablet set up of hanging wood is dedicated to his memory." --Trans. by R. Cedric Leonard. (Compare with Petrie, 1923)

Notice that the place-name given in the inscription for this Far Western Land is Urani, which some authorities associate with Erin, the old name for Ireland. But it also calls to mind Uranos, the father of King Cronos, thumbsup.gif illustrating a possible connection between Ireland and the once great empire of Atlantis. Since the "tomb" at Abydos is empty, it is assumed that Aha Menes was buried in this Western Land.
apollyon
ah yes the website of R. CEDRIC LEONARD
I preferred his earlier work
"Flying Saucers, Ancient Writings and the Bible," Exposition Press, New York, 1969.
and
"UFOs in Antiquity," Conference Proceedings, MUFON, Quincy Illinois, June 17, 1972.

had Daniken not made it so big this guy would now be regarded as the father of pseudohistory

M.A.D
QUOTE(Harte @ Jun 10 2007, 04:23 AM) [snapback]1716846[/snapback]
Another Graham Hancrank victim.

H.

i'd give it to christ but i don't think i'm a victim,i am who i am with a point of veiw unlike yours .
M.A.D
QUOTE(apollyon @ Jun 10 2007, 12:19 AM) [snapback]1716669[/snapback]
450 million years
what are you smoking ?


yes 450 million years i'll be the bold one to say it ,whats wrong with a number like that .

and as far as smoking in the bible its called kanna bossem but its only by the one who talks to god to have not the uninshuated or unclean of heart or spirit.

deffently not for kids or the young child thats how every thing in the first place gots started ,because the fruit from that tree makes your eyes go
wide and one can see the good and bad in one self, when that happens and sooner or later one gets all selfish and goes off claiming all for oneself.

and then every body's in a blisterbisckit.
Madcap
The problem I have with all of these sites on Atlantis, Lemuria, etc. is the fact that they don't take into account the lack of evidence of a place like that existing at all. Atlantis only has Plato to vouch for it being a civilization at all, and from Timeus and Criteas (sp?) you don't get any of the information on Crystals or perfect beings or nuclear technology.

As for Lemuria, the place was only created as a hypothesis for where Lemurs came from to vouch for evolution as a viable example of how we got here.

Mu, on the other hand, I'm not sure of.. but still.. it's an interesting read, but where did any of this information come from at all?
crystal sage
QUOTE(Madcap @ Jun , 12:37 PM)
The problem I have with all of these sites on Atlantis, Lemuria, etc. is the fact that they don't take into account the lack of evidence of a place like that existing at all. Atlantis only has Plato to vouch for it being a civilization at all, and from Timeus and Criteas (sp?) you don't get any of the information on Crystals or perfect beings or nuclear technology.

As for Lemuria, the place was only created as a hypothesis for where Lemurs came from to vouch for evolution as a viable example of how we got here.

Mu, on the other hand, I'm not sure of.. but still.. it's an interesting read, but where did any of this information come from at all?



http://www.huttoncommentaries.com/subs/Spe...rica_review.htm
QUOTE
The thesis of Ancient South America is that the continent was inhabited long before 50,000 B.C. Furthermore, relatively recent radiocarbon dating of archaeological sites, and genetic studies of Native Americans support a picture of ancient South American history that can be inferred to agree with Cayce‚š‚žs readings. This history is said to rest upon three migrations of ‚š‚“vastly different peoples,‚š groups that were fleeing from the destruction of the lost continents of Atlantis and Mu, at intervals over the period 50,000 to 10,000 B.C. These migrations were responsible for the settling of portions of ancient South America, North America, and other continents as well. A digest of the thesis and conclusions of Ancient South America can be found in the September 2002 issue of Ancient Mysteries (A.R.E. Press).


http://www.edgarcaycebooks.org/ancientsoam.html
potential Mu... Atlantis sites...

I think that Mu.. or Lemuria... the civilizations as we know it...have heard legends.. myths about... co-existed with the Atlantis civilizations... that they interacted... just like America... Europe.. Asia does today.... that they were places for them to trade with... visit on holidays.. ... and knowing humanity... later had disputes with and went to war with....

There are legends.. and remnants of ancient underwater cities being discovered all over the world.....!!!!
Japan's underwater city....
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/phikent/japan/japan.html


and then there is the nearby Dragon's Triangle.. at the polar opposite to the Bermuda triangle....
http://www.ufoarea.com/events_dragontriangle_objects.html
http://www.greatdreams.com/bermuda.htm
http://www.ufo-blog.com/ufo_video_footage/...da_triangle.htm
apollyon
QUOTE(M.A.D @ Jun 11 2007, 03:25 AM) [snapback]1718062[/snapback]
yes 450 million years i'll be the bold one to say it ,whats wrong with a number like that .

and as far as smoking in the bible its called kanna bossem but its only by the one who talks to god to have not the uninshuated or unclean of heart or spirit.

deffently not for kids or the young child thats how every thing in the first place gots started ,because the fruit from that tree makes your eyes go
wide and one can see the good and bad in one self, when that happens and sooner or later one gets all selfish and goes off claiming all for oneself.

and then every body's in a blisterbisckit.

well the only life on earth at that time was living in the sea iirc
trilobites
ammonites
the first land creatures were sitting around in the mud blinking at the big yellow thing in the sky
and you at this period have placed an advanced bronze age civilisation of humans with a global maritime trade network
see anything wrong with it yet ?
i understand that you may need to go back 450 million years to make your cape breton theory work
clearly this is evidence that it doesnt worek and like so many atlantis researchers before you, you have lost the plot
w00t.gif
apollyon
QUOTE(crystal sage @ Jun 11 2007, 07:53 AM) [snapback]1718305[/snapback]
http://www.huttoncommentaries.com/subs/Spe...rica_review.htm
http://www.edgarcaycebooks.org/ancientsoam.html
potential Mu... Atlantis sites...

I think that Mu.. or Lemuria... the civilizations as we know it...have heard legends.. myths about... co-existed with the Atlantis civilizations... that they interacted... just like America... Europe.. Asia does today.... that they were places for them to trade with... visit on holidays.. ... and knowing humanity... later had disputes with and went to war with....

There are legends.. and remnants of ancient underwater cities being discovered all over the world.....!!!!
Japan's underwater city....
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/phikent/japan/japan.html
and then there is the nearby Dragon's Triangle.. at the polar opposite to the Bermuda triangle....
http://www.ufoarea.com/events_dragontriangle_objects.html
http://www.greatdreams.com/bermuda.htm
http://www.ufo-blog.com/ufo_video_footage/...da_triangle.htm

see thats the problem
"You think"
that isn't good enough
you need to go check
relying on your imagination will give you the incorrect answer every time when it is factual information that is being discussed
unless youre a world class psychic and youre channeling the information solid research is the only way to find it
and even if you are channeling don't be expected to be taken seriously either
crystal sage
QUOTE(apollyon @ Jun , 10:12 PM)
see thats the problem
"You think"
that isn't good enough
you need to go check
relying on your imagination will give you the incorrect answer every time when it is factual information that is being discussed
unless youre a world class psychic and youre channeling the information solid research is the only way to find it
and even if you are channeling don't be expected to be taken seriously either



there have been lots of discoveries lately that seem to fit the bill....

http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=725


QUOTE
To westerners these are the stories of Atlantis or Thule. To many of the peoples of the South Pacific it is Lemuria or Menehune. To Asians it is called Mu, and was home to people who could fly and who drank an elixir that would cease aging.
http://rss.clipmarks.com/tags/human+time+line/
After years of searching, and combing the Pacific for a possible lost land that could have been the root of one of these legends, it is clear that there is no extra continent in the sea. However, in 1986, a SCUBA diver, Kihachiro Aratake, diving off the coast of the island of Yonaguni-jima discovered something that may lend credence to the existence of Mu or Lemuria. On the sea floor he found vast geometric structures cut out of the rock. There was evidence of stairs, and improbable angles in the stone. He marked the location for future divers, and in the intervening years these undersea ruins have come to be known as the "Yonaguni Monuments".

http://www.morien-institute.org/yonaguni.html

http://www.abc.net.au/foreign/content/2004/s1110981.htm


MASAAKI KIMURA: We have been able to collect relics, stone tools, relief carvings of animal figures, lithography with characters carved and direct evidence that humans existed. Therefore, as a result, we consider it an artefact.
http://www.morien-institute.org/imk5.html

SIMKIN: There are some striking similarities between the underwater ruins and Okinawa€™s above water ones, particularly the ancient castles. This is Shuri Jo, ancient heart of the Okinawan empire. The shape, size and style, the combination of walls, arches and walkways are reminiscent of the monument although there are key differences. The castle was built with millions of small rocks, the monument was carved out of several enormous ones.

Underwater monument is also cutting the natural monolithic rock, it is very similar.

Parallels, too, with the region€™s traditional graves, which were often built beside the sea.
MASAAKI KIMURA: Archaeologists and underwater experts from Europe came to study the site and they suggested it might have been a harbour, a port where ships arrived but the whole thing looks like a temple.

SIMKIN: If that€™s true, it means this tiny, laid back island, Japan€™s most western point, was once home to a sophisticated civilisation that€™s since vanished from the face of the earth.


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http://www.wisdomworld.org/additional/Scie...r52-of-103.html

The parallel seems to follow almost in detail. The Highlands of the Andes are a plateau enclosed between two great major ranges; this enclosure is the site of the marvelous Inca and pre-Inca civilizations -- regarding which Dr. McGovern has much to say. A similar enclosure in North America is found between the Rockies and the string of mountains formed by the Lower California range, including the Mexican Plateau, the Sierras, the Cascades, and the Coast Mountains of Canada. In Asia the parallel is Tibet and environs between the Himalayas and the Kuen-Lun Mountains. The Rocky Mountain Highlands toward the south enclose the old Pueblo civilizations of which more relics are found every day; and the descriptions of ruins in the Asian Highlands given in the Secret Doctrine are familiar to all Theosophists. Likewise does the racial parallel hold for the great basins. The Central Asian basin north of the Kuen-Lun and China, forms a veritable museum of living racial relics; the Great Plains of the United States and Mississippi Valley, and the low Eastern ranges, held the dying Red Indian races; and one of the most interesting points noted by Dr. McGovern, not brought out so far as we know in any previous popular publication, is the fact that the Amazonian Indians from beginning to end represent old and degenerate cultures, not "primitive" Races at all.


http://www.sacred-texts.com/atl/ataw/ataw106.htm




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http://members.ozemail.com.au/~skyaxe/origins.htm
According to Mioshie, Japan was once part of a continent called Mu, which now lies hidden beneath the waters of the Pacific Ocean. Japan, the oldest country in the world, will once again become the spiritual center of the human race.

In ancient times, dinosaurs swaggered about Japan; others, the size of an American F-4 fighter jet, darkened the skies. (These winged monsters were a manifestation of the dragon god, Ryujin, discussed in the next chapter.) "Ancient documents" reveal that thousands of these creatures died at the foot of Mount Tsukuba during the great geological cataclysm that took place in Japan 100, 000,000 - 100, 050, 000 years ago......Mu was a landmass extending from Japan to Easter Island in the south and to Hawaii in the east. From east to west it measured 5, 000 miles, and from north to south 3,000. It was in Mu, or ancient Japan, that Su-god first drew up the spiritual "blueprints" (hinagata) that he used for the creation of the human race..

Su-god sent his descendant Sumera Mikoto to rule as emperor and high priest over the Japanese. Under his rule, the 2,400 different kinds of letters used by the peoples of Mu were invented....
http://www.furutasigaku.jp/efuruta/edazaifu/edazai1.html .
http://nihonsinwa.at.infoseek.co.jp/english/kojiki06.htm
crystal sage
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/796256/posts

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Despite difficult diving conditions, Shieh said that a team of more than ten specialists was able to ascertain the positions of at least three of the wall sections.

The proximity of the wall to a similar structure found in 1976 suggests that it may be further evidence of a pre-historical civilization.

A three meter high underwater wall was discovered by amateur divers in waters off the nearby Hu-ching (Tiger Well) Island.

British archaeologists examined the find and proclaimed that the wall was probably made between 7,000 and 12,000 years ago.

The current find stands a mere 100 meters from the site of that discovery.

Six years ago, evidence of a sunken city in the area was found when amateur divers found the remains of what appear to be city walls taking the shape of a cross on the ocean floor.

Further examination suggested the ruins were made between seven and ten thousand years ago as well, although Japanese researchers put the walls construction at between 10,000 and 80,000 years ago.
http://www.morien-institute.org/uwnews2002.html




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http://www.nii.net/~obie/historygold.htm
over 30 ruins, including pyramids, domes, paved roads, rectangular buildings, columns, canals and artifacts that have been found on the ocean bottoms from the Bahamas to the nearby coasts of Europe and Africa, referencing the vast size of the lost continent. We will discuss how over a dozen respected historians and famous writers wrote about the Atlantis they believed existed, how the Mayans and Aztecs had told their conquerors that they came from Atlantis and Mu, about ancient tablets photographed in Peru shoeing those two lost continents, Atlantis and Lemuria, and discuss ancient maps clearly showing Atlantis.

http://s8int.com/water6.html
Dr. Menzies admitted that the discovery of what may be the ruins of an ancient city could be one of the most exciting discoveries of this century, insofar as ruins go.

Some of the columns are half buried in mud while others stand upright. Many of them appear to have a kind of writing on them.

http://www.think-aboutit.com/atlantis/hist...golden_ages.htm
apollyon
QUOTE(crystal sage @ Jun 11 2007, 04:02 PM) [snapback]1718708[/snapback]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/796256/posts
http://s8int.com/water6.html
Dr. Menzies admitted that the discovery of what may be the ruins of an ancient city could be one of the most exciting discoveries of this century, insofar as ruins go.

Some of the columns are half buried in mud while others stand upright. Many of them appear to have a kind of writing on them.

http://www.think-aboutit.com/atlantis/hist...golden_ages.htm

I'm sorry but every fact you just posted is complete rubbish
the only acceptable details for Atlantis come from just two dialogues written by Plato
as for Lemuria and Mu.................

The idea of Mu first appeared in the works of the antiquarian Augustus Le Plongeon (18251908), a 19th century traveler and writer who conducted his own investigations of the Maya ruins in Yucatn. He announced that he had translated the ancient Mayan writings, which supposedly showed that the Maya of Yucatn were older than the later civilizations of Atlantis and Egypt, and additionally told the story of an even older continent of Mu, which had foundered in a similar fashion to Atlantis, with the survivors founding the Maya civilization. Le Plongeon actually got the name "Mu" from the mistranslation of what was then called the Troano manuscript by Charles tienne Brasseur de Bourbourg in 1864, using the de Landa alphabet.
Now that we know how to translate these texts properly guess what has vanished from them ?

Though the living modern lemurs are only found in Madagascar and several surrounding islands, the biogeography of extinct lemurs extending from Pakistan to Malaysia inspired the name Lemuria, which was coined in 1864 by the geologist Philip Sclater in an article "The Mammals of Madagascar" in The Quarterly Journal of Science. Puzzled by the presence of fossil lemurs in both Madagascar and India, but not in Africa nor the Middle East, Sclater proposed that Madagascar and India had once been part of a larger continent, which he named "Lemuria" for its lemurs.

Sclater's theory was hardly unusual for his time. The acceptance of Darwinism led scientists to seek to trace the diffusion of species from their points of evolutionary origin; prior to the acceptance of continental drift, biologists frequently postulated submerged land masses in order to account for populations of land-based species now separated by barriers of water. Similarly, geologists tried to account for striking resemblances of rock formations on different continents. The first systematic attempt was made by Melchior Neumayr in his book Erdgeschichte in 1887. Many hypothetical submerged land bridges and continents were proposed during the 19th century, in order to account for the present distribution of species.

so Atlantis was an invention of Platos
Lemuria was an invention of Philip Sclater
Mu was a mistranslation by Churchward
and your posts contain no relevant details whatsoever, most of the details they claim as genuine have never been verified by real scientists
why do you think that is ?
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the websites you have used for this information are not credible either
the Morien institute is a business founded on the personal beliefs of Masaaki Kimura who had claimed that Japan was part of Mu long before anyone claimed Yonaguni was evidence of an advanced culture
and quite frankly it isn't
almost identical structures have been found on mainland Japan and are well documented as being from the Jomon culture
the depth of the structure and the time it has taken to reach that depth are always exagerated

as for the S8int website perhaps you should have checked their homepage first before accepting anything they print as evidence of anything
http://s8int.com/ where they claim
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We have a Biblical viewpoint on the world. Ooparts are evidence, we think, that the Flood actually happened. News items or magazine articles that report them may not have the same perspective that Christians do. When we read for instance, a scientific article that puzzles over our lack of genetic variability, we think of the Flood of Noah. We would include that article here, without editing, because we expect Christians to use their filters on such an article. That does not mean that we agree with the evolutionary timeframe given in said article.


the others are just as invalid


crystal sage
QUOTE(apollyon @ Jun , 01:33 AM)
I'm sorry but every fact you just posted is complete rubbish

and your posts contain no relevant details whatsoever, most of the details they claim as genuine have never been verified by real scientists
why do you think that is ?
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the websites you have used for this information are not credible either
the Morien institute is a business founded on the personal beliefs of Masaaki Kimura who had claimed that Japan was part of Mu long before anyone claimed Yonaguni was evidence of an advanced culture
and quite frankly it isn't
almost identical structures have been found on mainland Japan and are well documented as being from the Jomon culture
the depth of the structure and the time it has taken to reach that depth are always exagerated

as for the S8int website perhaps you should have checked their homepage first before accepting anything they print as evidence of anything
http://s8int.com/ where they claim

the others are just as invalid

There is so much strange history about Japan....


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http://www.rgj.com/news/specials/story9.html
The Ainu were the original inhabitants of Japan and many of their descendants still live on that nation's northernmost island. They lived in Asia before the people we now call Asians migrated there. They looked more like modern Caucasians than like modern American Indians or Asians, and had lots of body hair. Their predominant eye color was blue rather than brown, scientists said.



http://www.moshiach.com/features/tribes/japan.php
Israelites Came To Ancient Japan

Many of the traditional ceremonies in Japan seem to indicate that the Lost Tribes of Israel came to ancient Japan.


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http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/shogun.html


"The oldest Stone Age hut in Japan has been unearthed near Osaka....Archeologists date the hut to about 22,000 years ago and say it resembles the dugouts of African bushmen, according to Wazuo Hirose of Osaka Prefectural of Education's cultural division. `Other homes, almost as old, have been found before, but this discovery is significant because the shape is cleaner, better preserved' and is similar to the Africans' dugouts."

In 1923, anthropologist Roland B. Dixon wrote that "this earliest population of Japan were in the main a blend of Proto-Australoid and Proto-Negroid types, and thus similar in the ancient underlying stratum of the population, southward along the whole coast and throughout Indo-China, and beyond to India itself." Dixon pointed out that, "In Japan, the ancient Negrito element may still be discerned by characteristics which are at the same time exterior and osteologic."



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_Race

I could perhaps say that Masaaki Kimura was rather prophetic??? yes.gif



http://atlantium.blogspot.com/search/label...rwater%20Cities
apollyon
QUOTE(crystal sage @ Jun 13 2007, 04:31 PM) [snapback]1722467[/snapback]
There is so much strange history about Japan....
http://www.moshiach.com/features/tribes/japan.php
Israelites Came To Ancient Japan

Many of the traditional ceremonies in Japan seem to indicate that the Lost Tribes of Israel came to ancient Japan.
I could perhaps say that Masaaki Kimura was rather prophetic??? yes.gif
http://atlantium.blogspot.com/search/label...rwater%20Cities


the evidence you quote is not an absolute fact
you could claim the same for ceremonies from many different cultures
especially any that involve tea
perhaps comparing japanese tea ceremonies with tea dances for the over 60s would be equally as valid

Masaaki Kimura wasn't prophetic
hes a pseudohistorian, the details change with every retelling
last I heard Yonaguni was discovered by a commercial diver all on his own
now the story has added teams of professional divers covering the sea in search grids looking for anomalies
its still nonsense
you can take a little piece of anything and add it together to create just about whatever you want someone to believe and then write a book on it (see D C) and people will buy it if the amount of money they have is in inverse proportion to their common sense
still doesnt mean its valid though
the fact that the Morien instutute clearly only ever reveals those details that are likely to get it more publicity are very telling
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crystal sage
Pangea.

http://www.crystallotus.com/Pillars/001.htm

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The civilizations of Pangea, Lemuria and Atlantis

These were the great continents of civilizations. Pangea, Lemuria and Atlantis all three-were a part of the original landmass. They were interactive with each other. The oldest civilization that became highly advanced and technical was Pangea. Its boundaries were the southern hemisphere of the globe. Lemuria was basically the Pacific Ocean areas, extending far into the northern hemisphere beyond Japan and China.

When Pangea sank, her technologies and much of her information was taken to Lemuria. The next great civilization was that of Lemuria, approximately 18 million years ago. The civilization of Lemuria lasted up until approximately 50,000 years ago, when darkness overtook it, and it sank.


apollyon
QUOTE(crystal sage @ Jun 13 2007, 04:42 PM) [snapback]1722490[/snapback]

Pangea didn't sink
it was a supercontinent that broke up into the modern continents around 250 million years ago
thats about 249 million 900 thousand years before we existed as a species
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangaea
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There were three major phases in the break-up of Pangaea. The first phase began in the Early-Middle Jurassic, when Pangaea created a rift from the Tethys Ocean from the east and the Pacific from the west. The rifting took place between North America and Africa, the rift produced multiple failed rifts. The rift resulted in a new ocean, the Atlantic Ocean.

The Atlantic Ocean did not open uniformly; rifting began in the North-Central Atlantic. The South Atlantic did not open until the Cretaceous. Laurasia started to rotate clockwise and moved northward with North America to the north, and Eurasia to the south. The clockwise motion of Laurasia also led to the closing of the Tethys Ocean. Meanwhile, in the other side of Africa, new rifts were also forming along the adjacent margins of east Africa, Antarctica, and Madagascar that would lead to the formation of the Southwest Indian Ocean that would also open up in the Cretaceous.

The second, major phase in the break-up of Pangaea began in the Early Cretaceous (150-140 million years ago), when the minor supercontinent of Gondwana separated into four multiple continents (Africa, South America, India and Antarctica/Australia). About 200 million years ago, the continent of Cimmeria, as mentioned above ("The Formation of Pangaea"), collided with Eurasia. However, a subduction zone was forming, as soon as Cimmeria collided.

This subduction zone was called the Tethyan Trench. This trench might have subducted what is called the Tethyan mid-ocean ridge, a ridge responsible for Tethys Ocean's expansion. It probably caused Africa, India and Australia to move northward. In the Early Cretaceous, Atlantica, today's South America and Africa, finally separated from Eastern Gondwana (Antarctica, India, and Australia), causing the opening of a "South Indian Ocean". In the middle Cretaceous, Gondwana fragmented to open up the South Atlantic Ocean as South America started to move westward away from Africa. The South Atlantic did not develop uniformly, rather it rifted from south to north.

Also, at the same time Madagascar and India began to separate from Antarctica and moved northward, opening up the Indian Ocean. Madagascar and India separated from each other 100 - 90 million years ago in the Late Cretaceous. India continued to move northward toward Eurasia at 15 centimeters per year (a plate tectonic record), closing the Tethys Ocean, while Madagascar stopped and became locked to the African Plate. New Zealand and New Caledonia began to move from Australia in an eastward direction towards the Pacific, opening the Coral Sea and Tasman Sea. They have been independent islands since.

The third major and final phase of the break-up of Pangaea occurred in the early Cenozoic (Paleocene - Oligocene). North America/Greenland broke free from Eurasia, opening the Norwegian Sea about 60-55 million years ago. The Atlantic and Indian Oceans continued to expand, closing the Tethys Ocean.

Meanwhile, Australia split from Antarctica and moved rapidly northward, just as India did more than 40 million years earlier, and is on a collision course with Eastern Asia. Both Australia and India are currently moving in a northeast direction at 5-6 cm/year. Antarctica has been near or at the South Pole since the formation of Pangaea (since about 280 Ma). India started to collide with Asia beginning about 35 million years ago, forming the Himalayan orogeny, and also finally closing the Tethys Seaway; this collision continues today. The African Plate started to change directions, from west to northwest toward Europe, and South America began to move in a northward direction separating it from Antarctica, allowing complete oceanic circulation around Antarctica for the first time, causing a rapid cooling of the continent and allowing glaciers to form. Other major events took place during the Cenozoic, including the opening of the Gulf of California, the uplift of the Alps, and the opening of the Sea of Japan. The break-up of Pangaea continues today in the East Africa Rift; ongoing collisions may indicate the incipient creation of a new supercontinent.

now do the math
QUOTE(crystal sage @ Jun 13 2007, 04:42 PM) [snapback]1722490[/snapback]
When Pangea sank, her technologies and much of her information was taken to Lemuria. The next great civilization was that of Lemuria, approximately 18 million years ago. The civilization of Lemuria lasted up until approximately 50,000 years ago, when darkness overtook it, and it sank.

already stated there was no human beings to form a civilisation in pangea so none to transfer to Lemuria which according to your details was in existence 17 million 900 thousand years before we evolved as a species
then it sank apparently while we were at a pre stone age level of existence

shall I go on
why don't you look up Lemuria and see where the idea for it actually came from
youre talking millions of years about an idea that only existed for a few short months before scientists discovered plate tectonics
Lemuria did sink
but it wasn't into the sea
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crystal sage
QUOTE(apollyon @ Jun , 01:47 AM)
Pangea didn't sink
it was a supercontinent that broke up into the modern continents around 250 million years ago
thats about 249 million 900 thousand years before we existed as a species
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangaea

now do the math

already stated there was no human beings to form a civilisation in pangea so none to transfer to Lemuria which according to your details was in existence 17 million 900 thousand years before we evolved as a species
then it sank apparently while we were at a pre stone age level of existence

shall I go on
why don't you look up Lemuria and see where the idea for it actually came from
youre talking millions of years about an idea that only existed for a few short months before scientists discovered plate tectonics
Lemuria did sink
but it wasn't into the sea
w00t.gif



Earth is billions of years old... I find it hard to believe that humanity has only been around for a mere 100,000 years or so... as for evidence... relics. pottery.... how long do you think these can things last..without crumbling to dust...???... unless by some good fortune they are preserved carefully thru some glitches of nature...

Notice how earth always restores.. renews itself... cleans itself up... ??? It has a natural tendancy to go from dust to dust.. cells renew.. plants decompose ... seed.. regrow... notice how even nuclear waste..( notice how Japan has rebuilt itself over a nuclear bomb sites... with no real effects these days . wink2.gif well as far as we are told anyway).. . toxins eg plastic wastes that we thought would take

2000 years plus to decompose have a microbe that comsumes it... it's called bioremediation...

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=96109

and when we do find those rare anomolies... eg footprints that are millions of years old... jewellery artifacts... clothing..in coal... rocks... amber
http://paranormal.about.com/cs/ancientanomalies/index.htm

we find it really easy to dismiss them as some sort of hoax ... as it doesn't jell with what we were taught at school...

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=96109
Harte
Apollyon,

Crystal Sage is the brick wall upon which you will break your skull if you continue to beat it against her.

She does not want to know, doesn't care how wrong she is, and scoffs at those that know for a fact that she is full of it.

Otherwise, she's quite likeable.

Harte
keithisco
QUOTE(crystal sage @ Jun 13 2007, 05:42 PM) [snapback]1722490[/snapback]

That is the very "Worst" link to a page that I have ever seen!!!!! What they say is so laughable.... they dont even understand the term Pangea, or that it relates ONLY to a land mass, NOT a civilisation.
You really have to do better CS... and please ... dont post a hundred pages of text, just links

apollyon
QUOTE(crystal sage @ Jun 13 2007, 04:56 PM) [snapback]1722512[/snapback]
Earth is billions of years old... I find it hard to believe that humanity has only been around for a mere 100,000 years or so... as for evidence... relics. pottery.... how long do you think these can things last..without crumbling to dust...???... unless by some good fortune they are preserved carefully thru some glitches of nature...

Notice how earth always restores.. renews itself... cleans itself up... ??? It has a natural tendancy to go from dust to dust.. cells renew.. plants decompose ... seed.. regrow... notice how even nuclear waste..( notice how Japan has rebuilt itself over a nuclear bomb sites... with no real effects these days . wink2.gif well as far as we are told anyway).. . toxins eg plastic wastes that we thought would take

2000 years plus to decompose have a microbe that comsumes it... it's called bioremediation...

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=96109

and when we do find those rare anomolies... eg footprints that are millions of years old... jewellery artifacts... clothing..in coal... rocks... amber
http://paranormal.about.com/cs/ancientanomalies/index.htm

we find it really easy to dismiss them as some sort of hoax ... as it doesn't jell with what we were taught at school...

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=96109

you need to go back to school girl
apparently all you have learned so far is detritus
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crystal sage
QUOTE(Harte @ Jun , 01:57 AM)
Apollyon,

Crystal Sage is the brick wall upon which you will break your skull if you continue to beat it against her.

She does not want to know, doesn't care how wrong she is, and scoffs at those that know for a fact that she is full of it.

Otherwise, she's quite likeable.

Harte



When have I ever scoffed anyone??? cool.gif
Harte
QUOTE(crystal sage @ Jun 13 2007, 11:19 AM) [snapback]1722559[/snapback]
When have I ever scoffed anyone??? cool.gif

It's just how I imagine it!

Harte
crystal sage
QUOTE(keithisco @ Jun , 01:59 AM)
That is the very "Worst" link to a page that I have ever seen!!!!! What they say is so laughable.... they dont even understand the term Pangea, or that it relates ONLY to a land mass, NOT a civilisation.
You really have to do better CS... and please ... dont post a hundred pages of text, just links




happy.gif I thought it was a rather pretty link.... well designed....

as for adding the pangea possibility is that I read somewhere that the ancient Japanese recognise Mu... or Lemurian as part of Pangea...

anyway by the number of submerged cities that have come to our attention in the past decade... it is obvious that all the land masses didn't sink all at once... it could have sunk in stages... with a little of shifting of the crusts happening as well

I saw a site too a while ago that showed how much of earth's water is slowly sinking into... under the earth's crust... to the extent that they feel that eventually earth will look like Mars. ( a barren dry looking surface with subterranean water supplies.. I think I've read that they have found evidence of water and trees polar ice caps on Mars).. note if the water sinks....gets absorbed . ...the earth could then probably expand... hence the view that the land masses are moving further apart....
crystal sage
QUOTE(Harte @ Jun , 02:29 AM)
It's just how I imagine it!

Harte


I'm rather sweet really... and I'd encourage people to think... look... outside the boundaries...of accepted reality..

I don't think many worthwhile discoveries...inventions occurred by following the leaders... the accepted knowings of the times... most inventions were made by accident.. by misstepping off the well trodden paths.. were surprises...

Man kind was put on earth to explore.. create... that is why we have these extra abilities.. the brains... hands...the ability to speak... run...climb..think ...act creatively... why we were created one up from the other life forms the animal and bird kingdoms... given the gifts so that we can acheive more.... we are/have the ability to be empathic with all life... care for it... assist it... but we are sadly using our abilities to manipulate nature.... genetically altering messing about all of mother nature's gifts....( but that is another gripe rolleyes.gif )

I believe we've barely scratched the surface of what was.. what is... what can be....
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