Robert Charmux documents the ancient texts these inventions were found in. Yet perhaps as amazing was the submerged city found off the Bahamas by five scuba divers in 1970, with its majestic golden hued pyramid surrounded by domes, rectangular buildings, unidentified metallic instruments, and the statue holding the mysterious crystal containing seven miniature pyramids!

The crystal, brought to the surface by Dr. Ray Brown, amplifies energy passed through it, emits rays that heal diseases, and is made in a method unknown to the scientists who analyzed it. It was found in a mysteriously lit up chamber inside the underwater pyramid with some kind of ray gun like instrument pointed at it. Kirlian photographs, which record impressions beyond our limited range of vision, showed an eye inside the crystal not visible to the naked eye.

What technology could build a long blacktop paved road for hundreds of miles that was still in good condition over 10,000 years later! This road was found underwater off the East Coast by the deep diving submarine Aluminaut and contained magnesium oxide.

In 1977, a mysterious discovery was made on the floor of the Atlantic concerning an unknown technology. A 650-foot pyramid was mysteriously lit up, with sparkling white water surrounding it that turned deep green, a shocking contrast to the dark black waters at that depth. The discovery was photographed by Arl Marahall's expedition off Cay Sal.

that quote by CS...had



CS....any idea where this crystal is now????



I have never seen the pic of this so-called 'black-top paved' road...if any can provide a link it will be highly entertaining!!



got any pics???

CS..i could go on like this asking for links, pics etc.....i have got tired searching the stupid web for some pic or authentic links to stuff on atlantis...no use!!

when u put these quotes up...give us some links to back up ur quotes..some pics..some references..it will be highly helpful!!!!


and lastly...
ah forget it..if i nit pick every para..i would be still be awake asking you questions!!!

CS read that quote of greenboy..see whose name is there as the poster of the original quote????? you..CS!!!

I just had to add JOHN ANTHONY WEST 's blog site here..

Rogue egyptologist and mystic in skeptic's clothing.



http://www.jawphoenixfire.blogspot.com/

I sort of enjoy West as well. He's at least somewhat reasonable on many of these subjects.

But he's also an example of why I don't like the term Egyptologist. I mean, anyone can call themselves that. West is a playwright and a tour guide.

Yet he calls himself an Egyptologist based on his experiences touring Egypt and guiding people.

Nothing wrong with that, I suppose, but it does show the inherent meaninglessness of the "Egyptologist" title.

Harte

I sort of enjoy West as well. He's at least somewhat reasonable on many of these subjects.

But he's also an example of why I don't like the term Egyptologist. I mean, anyone can call themselves that. West is a playwright and a tour guide.

Yet he calls himself an Egyptologist based on his experiences touring Egypt and guiding people.

Nothing wrong with that, I suppose, but it does show the inherent meaninglessness of the "Egyptologist" title.

Harte

I sort of enjoy West as well. He's at least somewhat reasonable on many of these subjects.

But he's also an example of why I don't like the term Egyptologist. I mean, anyone can call themselves that. West is a playwright and a tour guide.

Yet he calls himself an Egyptologist based on his experiences touring Egypt and guiding people.

Nothing wrong with that, I suppose, but it does show the inherent meaninglessness of the "Egyptologist" title.

Harte

But as a master of Psychology said to me recently ( highly regarded..too) Regarding the 8 years it took for her to qualify... a lot of the information had to be parroted..shown that she had a nodding aquaintance of it..in order to qualify... it did not mean that she agreed with all the peer reviewed information that she had to learn to get her qualifications...


Of course she got to know what other people thought to base her values..compare ideas to come up with her own.,...building on other knowledge..

Same with other degrees.. I know a few historians...some can think for themselves.. but others..thru laziness?? lack of self confidence.... or anal tendancies.. just follow books..their studies..fear venturing past the peers rules... the envelopes of agreed upon knowledge....and don't use it as a base to grow from..which I feel is the whole point of education...in giving you the tools to fly for yourself...explore further.. build on what is known..or adjust misunderstandings .. accepted knowledge.. to the best updated workable theories..

So one searcher ... researcher ..with great passion for a subject ..may be more knowledgeable.. have more to offer.... than the average.. go by the books, qualified , fully credentialed , historian...

Oh, I wouldn't throw his name around as a playwright if you want anyone to take you seriously.

Oh, I wouldn't throw his name around as a playwright if you want anyone to take you seriously.



Please, CS... if you actually had done the work to become a historian, you might have some ground in complaining, but your challenges are at best second-hand; no different from anybody else with an ill-founded grudge against main-stream because real historians don't take to their pet theory...

--Jaylemurph

I don't have a grudge...

Pull the other one. It's got bells on.

Maybe "grudge" isn't quite the right word, but clearly you don't half the respect to established academia than you do for seemingly any crackpot notion with nothing to back it up, and I don't think you could ever allege that you do with a straight face. And I don't necessarily think there's anything wrong with that, as long as you don't pretend it's not true.

--Jaylemurph

As usual, I can't offer up much argument to what you say...

...but I think you bucked the question

--Jaylemurph

C.S this is why you are good in the eyes of God our Father and his Son , maybe you can help me with something of the past and it deal's with these two.

the story that plato brought us is of a city of the feminine with her ring's and all ,yes.



but i would like to bring forth a city of the same age if not older and this city surrandes a temple .

the temple when you see, i think's you will have a laugh and say could this be.

as for a clue ;did not God our father make us in his image,here is another ,is it the right hand side of god or god's right hand ?

or how about the holy spirit for when he comes where will he take his place and stand .

this is were i am so far, now one has come and been put in place ,the next will walk and make a stand .

the last will come tobe the first for you and me for none will enter but through him.

but o

nce through ,you'll come to me .

if the last lies in the west , then me the i am will be in the east ,it's the door that is locked and only my bother's and sister's can come but they must be abel to see the holy spirit for that who gives me Form.

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~matc/math5.geome...t10/unit10.html
Venus Coelestis & Venus Vulgaris

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~matc/math5.geome...t10/10038-2.gif

There are actually two Venuses, discussed in Plato's Symposium, Celestial Venus and Earthly Venus. The two Venuses correspond to the notion of Sacred and Profane love, a big topic in the Renaissance, shown here in a painting by Titian.





The Empyrium
We finally reach the Empyrian, the highest heavenly realm, supposed to be composed by a kind of sublimated fire, the uppermost Paradise, the heaven; the seat of God. The image that dominates the final Cantos of Paradiso is the cosmic rose, shown by di Paolo as an actual rose, with nine angels and the Trinity.

And in the very last paragraph of The Divine Comedy, at the end of this fantastic journey down to hell and back, and through purgatory, and up through the circles of heaven, what does Dante talk about? Beatrice? God? No. He talks aboutgeometry.

http://askrealjesus.com/K_JESUS_ANSWERS/J_...orningstar.html
Take note here that the quote clearly says “Ye are Gods” in plural. In other words, it is not spoken of just one person. As I seek to explain throughout this website, the biggest problem with orthodox Christianity is that it has turned me into an idol instead of an example to follow. So when I said that “I and my Father are one” and “My Father works hitherto and I work” (John 5:17), I meant to set an example to demonstrate what all people have the potential to accomplish by putting on the mind of Christ.

When you do attain personal Christhood, you accept your true identity as a son or daughter of God, and therefore you begin to act as a co-creator with God. This is indeed what God wants for all of his sons and daughters. How can this be blasphemy when it truly is the will and the love of God?

In fact, true blasphemy is to deny God and the presence of God. So if you deny the presence of God in every aspect of God's creation, then you are being blasphemous. Does it not say in the scriptures:

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:3)

Consequently, God is in everything because God is omnipresent. God truly is all there is, so God cannot create anything that is different from or apart from God. God creates everything out of his own substance and being, and therefore everything has God’s consciousness within it.

God has created self-conscious beings with free will, so they have the potential to deny their true identity. Yet it is only the consciousness of anti-christ that causes people to deny that God is within them. Why do orthodox Christians think I said:

Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. (Luke 17:21)

It is astounding to me that most Christians completely refuse to look at these passages in the scriptures and acknowledge that they clearly contain keys to my true inner teachings. How difficult can it be to read between the lines and see that I was clearly teaching people that God is within everyone and within everything? How difficult can it be for people to realize that only when you accept that God is within you, and within your brothers and sisters, can there be an end to conflict and killing on Earth?

It is only by seeing the God within your brothers and sisters that human beings will be able to "love one another as I have loved you" (John 13:34) and still love you. Do you seriously believe I love the human ego with all of its foibles and selfishness? No, I love your true identity, namely the son or daughter of God who is hiding behind the outer personality that is often dominated by the ego. So dare to follow Paul and let your ego die daily (1Corinthians 15:31). Dare to put off the old man and put on the new man (Ephesians 4:22-24), the God man – or woman – who lives in the kingdom within.

Nice story but what has this got to do with reality, i'm confused.

Be honest here: with all those Nahuatl words, what you have here is one common root, Tlan, that sounds a bit like Atlantis. To suggest all those words are borders on deliberate false presentation. Furthermore, if you're trying to whip out actual Historical Linguistic Reconstruction, you'd need more words from the mother/sister tongues preserved somewhere, in some fashion. If you don't, you have to words that coincidentally sound alike, which happens from time to time.

And do you have a source for that quote about Basques being from Atlantis? From what I can tell, it can't be quite proved that the Roman Vascones and the Basques are the same people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Basque_people), let alone they go around claiming to be from Atlantis.
You might want to check out this page, too: http://www.basqueclubs.com/Pages/a-basque.htm

--Jaylemurph

I am just rereading this whole thread, I have a renewed interest in it since my friend is doing a thesis on Churchward and this whole Mu/Lemuria/Atlantis thing and I have been reading about the Basques being from Atlantis as well as guanches of the Canary Islands, which I always felt had a connection to Atlantis, the connection is in relation to them being Cro Magnon. Here's a source talking about Basques from Atlantis. http://www.blavatsky.net/newsletters/cro_magnon.htm I am already prepared for all to knock it since it is Blavatsky based but you asked for a source and this explains it as neatly as any other site. I already can predict your response but thought I'd give you a source anyway, since you asked and I'm so polite....

Here's another site to answer questions about Plato being first to mention Atlantis:
http://www.atlantisquest.com/Writings.html

Blavatsky was a proven fraud, after all.

--Jaylemurph

Here is an absolutely fascinating site... I post a few excerpts of it..

where do you get add your information on atlantis? i would like to know more. reply to me at ben_11x@93xrocks.com


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The sun of the Empire of the Sun was the cosmic symbol for the primary creative energies radiating from the central sun in the center of the universe, the beneficial energies of time and space from higher dimensions, the source of all life, matter. and energy. The sun further represented in microcosm the sun within every human being, the invisible eternal flame that united man with his cosmic creator. The Lemurian (Mu) people believed that the sun within man was located in the "third eye', the invisible eye within us that is tuned into our innermost visions.

According to Churchward, much of the Mu civilization lived in homes with transparent roofs. They were free from stress and disease and lived to be hundreds of years old, developing their E.S.P. abilities through nearly 40,000 years of societal practice and experimentation. With that many centuries of evolution, the Mu gained their reputation for telepathy, astral travel and teleportation . . . making land vehicles unnecessary.

Most of those who have written about Lemuria claim they were primarily socially a vegetarian, agricultural, outdoor, organic culture that worked in harmony with nature and the land, having little use for scientific technology. Lemurians had concentrated on meditation and Extra sensory perception (ESP) development.

Lemuria had relatively little interest in Atlantean technology and preferred to experiment with psychic energies to move objects (proven by Uri Gellar during his research at Stanford University in the 1970's), although they did use ultra-high frequency sonic, solar energy, crystal energy, and teleportation to build and move objects as well.

One account describes 'pre-marital' tests in Lemuria.(written by a man named Cerve, a Rosucrucian historian) The elders required a man and woman to give all of their possessions to the priest so that they had absolutely none- no clothing, food, shelter, or any tools. The man and woman were then sent into the woods for one month (28 days) naked. During that time, they had to build their shelter, make their own clothing, gather their own food, make their own tools, and provide for each other without getting into any argument or projecting any negativity toward each other. If they passed that test, they were married and their possessions were returned. If they failed the teal they could not be married!

MIGRATIONS IN TIME

Lemurians migrated from that Mid-Pacific continent to the continent of Atlantis where they reportedly evolved that society toward scientific perfection. Contemporary literature marvels at inventions that seem like science fiction. Lamps that burned with brilliance for thousands of years without maintenance, spoken of by so many ancient writers, were one legacy of Atlantis. Some of these 'Maxin Lights' were still brilliant when the Spanish explorers found them blazing deep in the Amazon Jungle over 10,000 years later! (documented by Robber Charroux's books) Ancient historians found the Maxin Lights still burning in Egypt (which was the Atlantean colony of Luxor) over nine centuries after the Flood, in temples of doors that they reported had opened and closed automatically- and were guarded by robots!

CRYSTAL CITIES OF ATLANTIS

Robert Charmux documents the ancient texts these inventions were found in. Yet perhaps as amazing was the submerged city found off the Bahamas by five scuba divers in 1970, with its majestic golden hued pyramid surrounded by domes, rectangular buildings, unidentified metallic instruments, and the statue holding the mysterious crystal containing seven miniature pyramids!

The crystal, brought to the surface by Dr. Ray Brown, amplifies energy passed through it, emits rays that heal diseases, and is made in a method unknown to the scientists who analyzed it. It was found in a mysteriously lit up chamber inside the underwater pyramid with some kind of ray gun like instrument pointed at it. Kirlian photographs, which record impressions beyond our limited range of vision, showed an eye inside the crystal not visible to the naked eye.

What technology could build a long blacktop paved road for hundreds of miles that was still in good condition over 10,000 years later! This road was found underwater off the East Coast by the deep diving submarine Aluminaut and contained magnesium oxide.

In 1977, a mysterious discovery was made on the floor of the Atlantic concerning an unknown technology. A 650-foot pyramid was mysteriously lit up, with sparkling white water surrounding it that turned deep green, a shocking contrast to the dark black waters at that depth. The discovery was photographed by Arl Marahall's expedition off Cay Sal.

Dr. William Bell's 1958 photos taken on the bottom of the Atlantic showed a six-foot spire protruding from a couple of circular gear-like bases with peculiar light emanations from the bottom of the shaft. Were these the remnants of the Eternal Flame spoken of by the ancients, powered by an inter dimensional cosmic energy taken out of the atmosphere by a form of crystal conductor at the apex of pyramids or towers?

Pyramids larger than any building in the world made in our modern times have been found on the bottom the Atlantic Ocean and in China, and one in Egypt that our own technology has failed to match. These Pyramids have cement that our scientists admit is superior to what we use today. The writings of the ancients describe pyramids as Time Capsules containing the history and technology of the Empire of the Sun and latter day Atlantis. A huge pyramid, in 10,000 feet of Atlantic water, was reported to have been found with a pulsating crystal on top of it, by Tony Benik's expedition. The group also found an opaque crystal tablet there, and reported that when a light was beamed through it, mysterious inscriptions became visible. More underwater pyramids were found off Central America, Yucatan, and Louisiana, where domes were found in the Straits of Florida. A marble Greek style building was found between Florida and Cuba. And what about the column that radiated energy Dr. Zink found of the Bahamas in 1957?

Zink also brought up other artifacts from his dives over Atlantis, and he was interviewed by Mind International agent Steve Forsberg.

One of the most amazing finds on the bottom of the Atlantic was reported by Captain Reyes Miraga's crew on the salvage ship Talia from Spain. They video-taped miles of pillared temples, buildings, and statues and wide curving boulevards, with smaller avenues branching out from the center like spokes in a wheel, with majestic temples and pyramids. Much of this city, as well as the city found off Spain by Dr. Maxine Asher's expedition and later by Professor Akayonove's expedition (all photographed), show a startling similarity to Plato's description of Atlantis!

More than 30 separate ruins have been found on the bottom of the Atlantic since 1956, and in ancient libraries, several old maps showing Atlantis and its island chain have been found. The islands are known as Aryan, Og. Poseid, and Antigua and the nation was Atlan. Garden City, or Poseid, was reportedly the capital of a continent stretching from off of North Africa and Europe to off Florida with a tropical climate on the western and southern shores, and a cool climate on the north and east.

According to Plato and many other ancient historians, Atlantis had the most advanced and peaceful government in the world during its height, and for thousands of years planet Earth was at peace with a form of political system we have not seen the equal of since! Respected ancient historians and explorers like Diodorus, Kantor, Marcellinus, Proculus, Plutarch, Herodotus, (perhaps the greatest historian of ancient times). Timagenus. Aelenus, Theopompos, and more all wrote about the Atlantis they believed was a real superior civilization lost in time. All ancient nations in the Americas spoke of Atlantis in their writings!

ATLANTEAN SCIENCE

What was life like in the Golden Age of Atlantis? Ancient writers tell of how people lived to be a thousand years old in an age, when cosmic science ended all disease, and of an empire that accumulated so much gold over 50,000 years that they paved their streets with it, covered their temples and buildings with sheets of it, and wore fine gold meshed clothing. Gold was worth virtually nothing in the Atlantean empire. It was a building material as common as steel is today. The Atlanteans theoretically mined most of the world's gold supply and used it!

Ancient writings from around the world are clear in their detailed accounts of the spaceships and advanced aircraft of Atlantean times. The Mayans, Aztecs, and Incans told the conquistadors of these Atlantean sky ships that transported the white celestial rulers from the East. Atlantean technology spread to the Rama region of Asia with their expanding colonizations. The ancient Vaimanika sastra writings discovered in India in 1875, details the size of flying machines, how they are steered, how they are protected from violent storms, and lightning, and how to switch the drive to solar energy when the fuel supply becomes low. The writings relate to 70 authorities and 10 experts on ancient air travel! The texts are extremely precise and easy to understand by modern scientists, except for several metals and alloys which they cannot recognize.

VIMANAS were the "flying boats of the golden age" In ancient writings from Asia. Four main types of Vimanas were described, including the Conical gold craft, the Silver Rockets, the three story airships, and the SAKUNA ships that were constructed in bird shapes. There were 113 different models of these 4 base classes of airships. Eight solar energy tubes were described in the solar energy propulsion section of the texts. The ancient VYMANIKA SHAASTRA text clearly describes pilot training, flight paths, individual parts of flying machines, as well as clothing for pilots and passengers, and the food recommended for long flight. Included in these writings is technical detail on the metals used, and propulsion units. There is a checklist of 32 instructions for the pilots before they were allowed to fly. The Instructions included battle maneuvering, how to use instruments to see and hear at great distances, and how to zig zag. 16 types of heat resistant metals were named.

Other ancient historical writings from India describe mercury powered aircraft, thought to be unbelievable until NASA scientists discovered that mercury is a superior rocket propulsion system! How did the ancients know about mercury rocket propulsion and solar energy drives?

More remarkable is the ancient literature from Egypt, Central America, Asia, Phoenicia and Babylonia concerning how these spacecraft traveled to other planets and returned to Earth, how they utilized weapons in a "Star Wars' fashion, how these crafts could not be damaged by humans on Earth, and were piloted by astronauts ancient paintings and carvings show in space suits! The Atlanteans definitely sent spacecraft to their colonies in Luxor and the Middle East, to Central America and Asia, according to many ancient writings. These writings sounded too much like science fiction to the early Christians who lived in a much later day, so they censored these accounts from our history books! And yet, historians believed all they saw in the sky! Some modern researchers believe the later Star of Bethlehem was a spaceship, because no star can travel billions of miles in a few hours; UFOs look like stars from a distance!

Atlanteans who had spacecraft, as well as the ASVINS in Asia with their triangular three-wheeled flying machines (described in the Rig Veda), and the Lemurians with their AURAAURAUVA (flying pearly shells of divinity) that were capable of interplanetary travel & theoretically could have gone to Mars. Why was it that the NASA space program sent probes to photograph Mars which took clear photographs of a mysterious face and pyramids on Mars, that were published in major and local newspapers across the United States in September 1988? Were these connected to the pyramids and sphinx in ancient Egypt and Atlantis by the same race that colonized Egypt from Atlantis? Were ancient astronauts who ruled the ancient world based on Atlantis?

The truth is that people in ancient empires before Christ believed in ancient aircraft and spacecraft and Interplanetary travel as easily as the public does today! Why then do so many people today refuse to believe what the ancients believed was reality simply because it was two thousand years ago? The Hebrews and Romans and Medieval priests later censored facts like spacecraft, the map of our solar system, and other truths out of history books for their "Earth is the center of the universe, there are no planets after Saturn, the sun revolves around the Earth, the world is flat," and other lies then part of their history books. Columbus and telescopes proved medieval history books false. Just like ruins on the bottom of the ocean are now proving current history books false.

The moon was said to have once been part of the Atlantean Empire. The first satellite to orbit the moon sent back a photo of an ancient pyramid on the dark side of the moon that we have examined, and it was censored from the public by the U.S. government with other Moon ruins. Ruins of walls and roads were found on the Moon by astronauts who will not speak publicly due to the $10,000 fine, ten-year Jail sentence, and dishonorable discharge for violating official U.S. Government regulation 200-2.

Note: William Blair, archaeologist specialist from the Boeing Institute of Biotechnology, analyzed a photo taken by Lunar Orbitter 2 Probe from the western edge of the Sea of Tranquillity on the moon, showing a clear white structure resembling the Washington Monument and estimated 639 feet tall. There were similar structures nearby. Their triangular similar structures were clearly NOT randomly irregular.

In his well-researched book "Footprints on the Sands of Time". L.M. Lewis details all the ancient writings about Atlantean Air Force.

THE EMPIRE AT ITS HEIGHT

Most ancient writers on Atlantis agree that the Atlanteans attained a zenith of luxury and that it led to their downfall. The ancients said Atlanteans became so materialistic and hedonistic that they lost their spiritual vision, and turned away from God.

We have no ancient writings describing details of life in Atlantis . . . that is, found in the world's museums and libraries, other than these referenced above. We do have the writings of the many Mystery Schools, the cosmic universities from the dawn of time claiming to have preserved the Ageless Wisdom secretly through the centuries. The mystery schools from Lemuria and Atlantis reportedly taught the history of the planet since the dawn of time, and the secrets of how to master life and the environment - how to heal all diseases, slow the aging process, control the weather, eliminate harmful insects, alchemy, and how to use crystals for power systems. The mystery schools also taught telepathy for communications, teleportation for travel, and mind-over-matter techniques that gave those initiates superhuman powers. This knowledge, known as the Secret Science, is available today to the accepted initiates of the existing mystery schools around the world to pass on to a future age when the mass of humanity would be evolved enough to inherit it. That age is now approaching. (based in secret temples inside Mt. Shasta, the Andes, Tetons, Himalayas)

The only ruins of land transport reported is the evidence of monorails and plastic buildings on the floor of the Atlantic reported by Boris Asturua's expedition from a sunken city 400 miles off of Portugal.

Atlanteans were said to have been extremely good looking people. They allegedly wore intricate bejeweled clothing, and living a life of leisure of fun, partying, feasting, dancing, and bliss on exotic drugs.

In their creation of Heaven on Earth, they had no desire to pursue the idea of Heaven after Death, believing they 'had it made' on Earth. Biologists today admit that the brain capacity of skulls found from the later Atlantean era is larger than that of modern man! They used the 90 percent of the brain that the average human cannot use today and could see and hear beyond our very limited range of those senses & seeing auras of rainbow colors around all living things and hearing into the higher frequencies of the animals.

Atlanteans created a national work force of robots, androids, and humanoids from genetic engineering to create and maintain most of the material plane empire and that computers controlled the robots and androids. Perpetual motion machines were created that created and operated other machines and repaired them. Atlantis was on the verge of "life without instrumentalities." In other words, the Empire was controlled by machines and computers that did everything for the citizens. No Atlantean had to work or go to school. VRIL helmets educated the people while they were asleep; a teenager had knowledge beyond that of even the moot respected geniuses of our Age. With a thousand year life span to acquire knowledge, Atlanteans were aware & informed beyond our imaginations.

Atlantean science then fostered some bizarre genetic creations-they discovered ways to cross-breed species to create mermaids and mermen, cyclops, unicorns and other creatures we call mythology but the many ancient writers called Reality after seeing them! Apparently some survived til the Rise and Fall of the Greek Empire, where belief in such creatures was widespread!

THE END OF THE EMPIRE

Genetic engineering also resulted in Atlanteans of super strength & huge stature (Titans) able to perform superman tasks. The Atlantean people could also telepathically communicate with porpoises (their symbol). The Atlanteans mastered submarines; they created underwater cities in the Atlantic Ocean in domes.

Atlantean scientists also learned how to block brain impulses to parts of the brain that caused crime and negative emotions; they later used this technique to control minds. They were quite clever; they took over the government. The leaders began to keep the secret sciences from the general population in order to control the masses. The masses depended on the government for food, clothing, and shelter. Those leaders claiming to be High Priests in the pyramid temples were really mad scientists with a super science that seemed like magic to the uninitiated.

The bored leaders of utopia, with an entire planet as their toy and game board, began to seek satisfaction in POWER because there was NOTHING LEFT MATERIALLY TO ATTAIN. The hedonistic population became so entranced by exotic drugs and leisure and materialism they worshipped the scientific priests and lost awareness of the reality around them. Hence, telepathic warfare, human sacrifices, and a WAR OF MINDS throughout the empire broke out. Atlantean leaders wanted to control the whole world and form a planetary empire. They offered other continents their technology and luxuries in exchange for control of those nations, and many empires Joined Atlantis. However, the Rama Empire in Asia and the Athens Empire in Europe refused to become Atlantean. Atlantean psychic attack on those lands failed against even more superior cosmic forces.

World leaders warned the Atlantean citizens and leaders that they would destroy themselves as well as life itself if they didn't stop mis-using cosmic, nuclear, and psychic energies, that the misuse of technology could lead to terrible earthquakes, tidal waves, and eruptions that could destroy the empire. This warning was ignored by millions and millions of people, who Just like today, lived fur "today" while ignoring the future...humanity so concerned about their daily existence and pleasures that they ignored the future, to their own demise. Some believed that their great scientists could save them with technology; many believed that people simply reincarnate, so why fear death?

Government scientists knew that cataclysms had already destroyed most of Lemuria around 24,000 B.C., Thule before that, and had split up Atlantis into three huge islands only 400 years earlier! Atlantean scientists created underground cities in South America, under the Atlantic ocean, below the South Polar continent {then ice-free), and on the Moon to escape worldwide calamities! They had huge aircraft. waiting in rescue them. Most incredible was Rainbow City beneath Antarctica, an ultra modem spaceport. (Rainbow City and the Inner Earth by Michael Barton)"








http://transconscious.com/modules/newbb/vi...1f0198c60c2fa70

...Well I'll make an attempt...

the ring... the Zodiac Ring??

the Son of god was said to resonate with Venus..




http://www.emersoncentral.com/plato2.htm
Plato affirms the coincidence of science and virtue; for vice can never know itself and virtue, but virtue knows both itself and vice.

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0009-840X...TOR-enlargePage


the planetary circles



Have you read this site...???




as for a clue ;did not God our father make us in his image,here is another ,is it the right hand side of god or god's right hand ?

or how about the holy spirit for when he comes where will he take his place and stand .

this is were i am so far, now one has come and been put in place ,the next will walk and make a stand .




yes this gets easier to understand when an enlightenment experience hits you... it's like having an OBE but it feels like your soul escapes from the crown of your head and simply expands to and with all your surroundings.. seen and unseen... you can have fun initially and quickly focus on certain points of interest around you.. catch thoughts... or like me.. remembering the the old Kung Fu shows with Grasshopper and becoming 'one' with a rock... then a tree...( energetically mentally essense -tially merging) .. then you feel like a cloud.. the wind..ethereal.. you pass thru all and disperse... then next you hear a humm... feel some density.. like being in a crisp fog... you feel slight solids.. like few cotton balls or fluff... then you start to hear a crowd... notice that you are melded with the crowd..but in another way.. an ethereal way.. you can focus on some individually.. the essence of people you know..hear their thoughts..fears..joys.. the fears are more solid..the fluffy cottony bits that prevent them from melding/evaporating further to a higher?( so I gather this is why we are encouraged to forgive or release our guilts..troubles grudges..as they really weigh you down!!!! ) but in reality this evaporation is a more dispersed level that can connect to even more.. increases the ??bliss??

It is experienced like a huge lake of interlinked.. communicating energy..the center that is the the brightest..not dense but infinite?? that also radiates out and connects in all ways on all levels.. is the core.. is what we some times describe of as the horn of plenty gushing..all hopes dreams.. knowings..yet it similultaneously renews..in that it absorbs on another level.. one level of the center our collective consciousnesses...

It's the only way I can describe it.. but learning from that...what is obviously shown via the experience is the connectedness of all..

Our Will is our doors..our walls that we have erected to experience this reality.. world... it is when we learn to open some.. lower some walls we feel the greater joy of our realization of being part of all.. our mirror neurons get a good polishing and grow....
we get more empathic..but open to more synchronistic events.. like being upgraded in traveling through life and graduating from cattle class to business class..of course that upgrade comes with more responsibility...

I hope that helps in a way...

Note every experience is different so.... but the essense of it is similar...

I am just rereading this whole thread, I have a renewed interest in it since my friend is doing a thesis on Churchward and this whole Mu/Lemuria/Atlantis thing and I have been reading about the Basques being from Atlantis as well as guanches of the Canary Islands, which I always felt had a connection to Atlantis, the connection is in relation to them being Cro Magnon. Here's a source talking about Basques from Atlantis. http://www.blavatsky.net/newsletters/cro_magnon.htm I am already prepared for all to knock it since it is Blavatsky based but you asked for a source and this explains it as neatly as any other site. I already can predict your response but thought I'd give you a source anyway, since you asked and I'm so polite....

Here's another site to answer questions about Plato being first to mention Atlantis:
http://www.atlantisquest.com/Writings.html

http://www.russiannewsnetwork.com/georgia.html

Short History

Georgia's recorded history dates back more than 2,500 years. Georgian -- a South Caucasian (or “Kartvelian”) language unrelated to any other outside the immediate region -- is one of the oldest living languages in the world, and it has its own distinctive alphabet. Tbilisi, located in the picturesque Mtkvari River valley, is more than 1,500 years old. In the early 4th century Georgia adopted Christianity, only the second nation in the world to do so officially, and Orthodox Christianity -- in combination with a unique language and alphabet -- proved to be key factors in preserving Georgia’s separate identity for so many centuries. Georgia has historically found itself on the margins of great empires, and Georgians have lived together in a unified state for only a small fraction of their existence as a people.

Much of Georgia's territory was fought over by Persian, Roman, Byzantine, Arab, Mongol, and Turkish armies from at least the 1st century B.C. through the 18th century. The zenith of Georgia’s power as an independent kingdom came in the 11th and 12th centuries, during the reigns of King David the Builder and Queen Tamara, who still rank among the most celebrated of all Georgian rulers. In 1783 the king of Kartli (in eastern Georgia) signed the Treaty of Georgievsk with the Russians, by which Russia agreed to take the kingdom as its protectorate. In 1801, the Russian empire began the piecemeal process of unifying and annexing Georgian territory, and for most of the next two centuries (1801-1991) Georgia found itself ruled from St. Petersburg and Moscow. Exposed to modern European ideas of nationalism under Russian tutelage, Georgians like the writer Ilya Chavchavadze began calling for greater Georgian independence.

http://www.geocities.com/dani_zsw/Georgia.htm

Georgian, a unique, non-Indo-European language, which belongs to Iberian-Caucasian family, is the country’s official language. 14 different alphabets exist in the world, one of which is Georgian. Georgians belong to Caucasus race (Caucasians). Some scholars propose the idea of possible links of the Ibero-Caucasian groups – and the peoples speaking those languages – with the peoples who created the pre-Hellenic (Pelazgues-Anatolian) culture.

Those who know the myth about the Argonauts might remember that the leader of the Argonauts, Jason, traveled to Kolkhida across the Black (Euxine) Sea in search of the Golden Fleece finally finding his beloved Medea. In XIII century BC Kolkhida was the name of the land, which is now Western Georgia (with the capital Kutaisi). Whereas the Eastern part of Georgia in the XIII century BC was called Diaokhi or Tao, and later in VII-VI century BC it was called Iberia (with its ancient capital Mtskheta). So Colchis was described by Homer and Hesiod in connection with the famous legend of the Argonauts. The ancient Greek writers of the VI century BC give more accurate data on Colchis and Iberia, mentioning the silver coins, roads, bazaars and stores built for trade, the architecture of the houses, etc. The fact is, that at the reign of Aiety (3300 or 3700 years ago), the Greeks considered Kolkhida a strong unit, which had a big fleet, had its written language, and generally, its own civilization, considerably developed. The country was famous because of its gold and metallurgy… The Argonauts made a voyage in search of the Golden Fleece that belonged to the great King Aiety of Colchis, son of Helios, god of the sun. In Greek mythology reference is made to the river Phasis (modern Rioni) and Kutaia the capital of Colchis (modern Kutaisi). King's wife Hecate had herb gardens in Phasis. This was in the 14th-13th cc. BC, i.e. 800-900 years before the time of Hippocrates. So in Georgia medical science and pharmacology were developed in ancient times. Archaeological findings testify to the high level of development of Medicine in Georgia. These data are confirmed by historical, mythological and literary courses, folklore and ancient Classical written documents. Kurt Sprengel, an outstanding German scholar, founder and systematizer of the history of world medicine, classes Colchis-Iberian medicine as foremost among the ancient medicines of the old civilization. Legend were created around the beauty and the wiles of Medea, the daughter of the Colchian king and a priestess of Hecate. Medea was famous as the beautiful "Great Magician", treating people with herbs and medicines. "Her name has become a basis for the science of medicine" as we read in the book of the famous Georgian scholar and researcher of the historical development of pharmacology in Georgia Sokrat Salukvadze. "It should be noted, that the word "medicus" denotes in Greek "a woman-physician", also "sage" - a typical designation of a medical man, savant... If we consider that one of the branches of modern medicine - venerology, was named after Venus, hygiene - after Hygieia, galenic - after Claudius Galenus, the the assumption that "medicine" originated from the proper name "Medea" would seem quite justified; this is also confirmed by mythological sources about Medea's preoccupation with medicinal plants and healing. The author maintains that Medea is not a merely a character from Greek mythology, but a historical character. Evidence on Colchian-Iberian medicine is one of the oldest in the world". So Georgia is a homeland of medicine (Medea-medicine).


It can be said that the history of Georgia goes back to the dawn of time. In 1991-99 the relics of the first human migration were found in the Dmanisi area situated south of Tbilisi. The relics of Dmanisi Hominids are around 1 million 800 thousand years old and are not only the oldest in Europe but anywhere outside Africa.

Don't forget the known history of Georgia ( the Russian one)
There are some linguistic similarities between the Georgian and Basque languages, ..

There are no known affinities between the South Caucasian and North Caucasian families. Nevertheless, some scholars have proposed the single name Ibero-Caucasian for all the Caucasian language families, North and South. The Ibero- in the name refers to the ancient kingdom of Caucasian Iberia in Eastern Georgia and is not related to the Iberian Peninsula.

Blavatsky -- and any of her delightful if misguided adherents -- could tell me the sky is blue, and I'd stick my head out the nearest window to double check. I'm certainly not going to trust her for linguistic data, let alone historic fact. Which is (almost inevitably) misrepresented on that page. Blavatsky was a proven fraud, after all. But I do appreciate the link and the thought.

--Jaylemurph

We've tread this ground before, CS, and you're doing exactly the same thing again.

There are some incidental correspondances, yes, CS but not /nearly/ enough in occurrence or strong enough in correlation to suggest a such a close relationship. There is no "Iberian-Caucasian" family in the way your source is suggesting and that you've repeated before elsewhere. To suggest, directly or (as you do here, now) indirectly, that there is a link between European languages and Caucasian languages is fundamentally ignorant parroting of some of the less reputable and deliberately cunning pseudo-historical websites. That, or a deliberate but clumsy covering-up on your part of linguistic reality. Because I've caught you red-handed at both, I'm not sure which to believe.

To show you where actually historical linguists come down, I'll quote from Wikipedia's article on Caucasian languages:



--Jaylemurph

http://www.geocities.com/dani_zsw/Georgia.htm
There are some linguistic similarities between the Georgian and Basque languages, there are some toponims also resembling each other as well as similar words and similar traditions in both regions. According to the opinion of several scientists, the Caucasians (Kartvelians among them) – together with Basques, and Pelazgues and Etruscans (extinct in ancient period), might be possible remains of the great ethnic family living on the vast territories at the Mediterranean and in Asia Minor, before the people of the Indo-European group made the area the place of their habitat. It should also be noted, that some of the famed researchers (Humboldt, Beaudrimon, Filiponi, Marr and others), consider the Basques (descendants of the non-Romanized European Ibers) living in Spain, to be the people who migrated to the West, and this is equal to the acknowledgement of ethnic relations between Kartvelians and Basques, and regarding the formers as the autochthons of the Caucasus. The linguistic studies of a Polish linguist, I. Braun, present the Basques as the descendants of the fourth major tribe of the Kartveluri origin.
Apparently, this ethno-genetic theory was also well known in ancient Georgia and their firm belief was of the kinship and relations of the Pyrenean Ibers to the Georgians, thus favoring the concept of the blood relations and closeness. This is supported by the fact, that the terms “Ibers of Spain” and “Celt-Ibers”, used by Greek authors, are presented in old Georgian writings such as “the Kartvels of the West” and “Celt-Kartvels”; very important appears the note of Giorgi Mtatsmindeli (XI c.) about the wish of the Georgian nobility to travel to Spain and visit the local “Georgians of the West”; Jean Chardin (XVII c.) writes in records, as if he was asked by a Georgian king – before his departure: “how is my relative, King of Spain?” and then drank his toast from a goblet covered with gems. The views regarding the genetic closeness of Ibers of Caucasia and Pyrenees is worth considering because a lot of archaeological, historical, linguistic and ethnographic data, the theory concerning the Basque and the Caucasus, are still considered as one of the most pressing questions of modern period.

It can be said that the history of Georgia goes back to the dawn of time

http://www.halfvalue.com/wiki.jsp?topic=So...asian_languages

Higher-level connections

No relationship with other languages, not even with the North Caucasian families, has been demonstrated so far. Some linguists have proposed that the Kartvelian family is part of a much larger Nostratic language family, but both the concept of a Nostratic family and Georgian's relation thereto are in doubt.

Certain grammatical similarities with Basque, especially in the case system, have often been pointed out. However, most linguists dismiss those resemblances as very limited and superficial, more likely to be random coincidences than inherited traits from a common ancestral language.

Any similarities to other linguistic phyla may well be due to areal influences. Heavy borrowing in either direction (i.e. North Caucasian to South Caucasian and vice versa) has been observed, thus it is quite probable that certain grammatical features have been influenced as well. If the Dene-Caucasian hypothesis, which attempts to link Basque, Burushaski, North Caucasian and other phyla, is right, then the above mentioned similarities to Basque may also be due these influences, however indirect.

It is well known today that the Proto-Kartvelian vocabulary was also influenced by Indo-European languages to some extent, whence probably the earlier attempts to link these families to form a higher genealogical unit.

OK then, I understand. Since I don't give up that easy and I knew it was such a waste of time to include that Blavatsky site but it was late and I couldn't be bothered finding a better one when I was so tired I have spent today searching for better info on my same idea of a Basque/Cro Magnon/Atlantis link and here's one that has no mention of Blavatsky so I'd be interested to see where you find fault with it or what your beef with it actually is.....or anyone's for that matter...........is it that you just don't accept an Atlantis civilisation, so really no matter what is tied in with it would be considered rubbish? Would you consider the idea of Atlantis but maybe not so technologically advanced as stories would have us believe? More of a sunken island/continent that may have even subducted by now leaving no sign except the stories carried by the few survivors? Do you think these people who research this stuff for years really have no clue of what they are talking about? Anyone???

No -- there are several different groups. I think a goodly percentage of them are con artists, or sufficiently cynical enough about their readers that you can't tell the difference. I think another group is not stupid, per se, but relentlessly and determinedly ignorant of actual historic fact in favour of believing what they want for their own psychological reasons. And yes, there are people who are just very stupid who "study" these things.

Do I believe in Atlantis specifically? No. It's clearly -- very clearly, when you read the text of Plato -- meant to be an allegory. To think it's real from the single text it appears in suggests a basic misunderstanding of the way fiction works. I don't look for Plato's Atlantis for the same reason I don't look for Prospero's Island, Elliot's Middlemarch of Rowlings' Hogwarts. That's one reason.

Do I believe in any ancient, advanced society? No. Despite the idea that you and others seem to push, there are no long gaps in the development of mankind for a society like that to fit into. There's no sudden revolution in development of the rest of mankind that needs such a society's "help" to explain. And there's not one piece of evidence to suggest one ever existed.
Not one. And every one that's ever been put forth as one has been a fake or conveniently disappeared.
And the related idea of supermen or gods exists as a myth. Myths explain /universal/ things in culturally specific terms, often in religious form, especially when there are no other rational ways for a society to figure them out. That universal bit is important. It's why variation of the same thing pop up around the world. Myths are fabrications and, even though one or two might be based on something real, to take them literally falls under exactly the same error in logic that looking for fictional places does. And your idea "survivors"? Part of the fiction -- they do exactly the same thing as Job's servants do in the book of Job: they alone are saved to continue and pass on the morality tale of the mythic people.

Do I believe in /any/ lost civilisations? Maybe. It's possible, but not likely.

Do I believe in sunken continents? No. Again, a brief introduction into actual plate tectonics is all that it takes to put to kibosh on 99.9% of ideas like that. Certainly, there would be proof of entire sunken continents. And subduction zones just don't go fast enough to consume cities on the timescales thrown around for Atlantis. But again, that hinges on taking Plato literally. Which is silly.

--Jaylemurph

Paragraph 1-Alternative authors are either con artistists, ignorant or stupid

2-Plato made up Atlantis

3-Myths are made up

5- The theory(guess) of Plate techtonics is fact

C'mon Jay, how do you Know?

All you have to do is find someone who mentions it before he did. One would think that if such a mention exists, some writer would have found it and touted (tarted?) it around a place like UM.


--Jaylemurph

Yep. Well, that's half of it: the other half is that the parasites require an audience of more credulous or more ignorant people than they are to keep them in business.



All you have to do is find someone who mentions it before he did. One would think that if such a mention exists, some writer would have found it and touted (tarted?) it around a place like UM.



Well, not every single one, ever. But such a vast, utterly overwhelming number are so completely fictional that it's sheer madness to think one is true without independent evidence. I'd think you were a moron for trying to find Zeus' house, too. You can argue that as exemplifications of archetypal truths, that they exist beyond simplistic ideas of "true" or "false" or "real" or "fake", or, as you say, "made up". (Plays are like this, too. Nobody goes to see Romeo and Juliet because they think it's /real/ or really happening or because they think it's "true" in the sense of it's a series of events that really happened in Italy.)



Well, I know how to spell it properly, for one. What was it Twain said about getting your facts straight first and /then/ distorting them?

It may not be 100% proven, but it does conform with virtually every piece of geophysical information we've gathered for several decades. It explains virtually every current vulcanological activity at present. It coincides exactly with fossil evidence. And -- this is how theories work, mind -- it does a better job conforming to what we know better than any other explanation. It's not perfect, but we don't have better or simpler answers.

I mean, any theory of a magical sinking Atlantis would have to work better than every single piece of evidence we've ever collected in support of plate tectonics. And so far, we don't have that.

--Jaylemurph

I did

http://www.atlantisquest.com/Writings.html

I really appreciate your answer to my post J, I am rushed now but will comment a bit later.

such an aurgument is foolish when broken down

Well... I concede the word "Atlantis" is used; I don't concede that it has the meaning you're giving it. "Atlantis" is an adjectival form of "Atlas", and that general area was assumed by the Greeks to be where Atlas was supposed to be -- in the same area are the Atlas Mountains. Besides, the reference in Herodotus is clearly about just a body of water; there's no indication in it at all of a city or island. (Actually, the quote is /about/ the people living in and around the Caspian Sea, and the Atlantis thing is a tangent at best. I believe the Father of Lies goes onto make a snide comment about the locals there being far too sexual available for his liking...)

--Jaylemurph

I did

http://www.atlantisquest.com/Writings.html

I really appreciate your answer to my post J, I am rushed now but will comment a bit later.

http://classiclit.about.com/library/weekly/aafpr030503a.htm

Cantor, a contemporary of Aristotle, went so far as to check out Plato's story when he traveled to Egypt around 300 B.C. and asked the priests about the ancient Atlantis manuscripts. Pellegrino says, "The priests confirmed that such records still existed, though no one seemed to know the exact location of the lost world.

No -- there are several different groups. I think a goodly percentage of them are con artists, or sufficiently cynical enough about their readers that you can't tell the difference. I think another group is not stupid, per se, but relentlessly and determinedly ignorant of actual historic fact in favour of believing what they want for their own psychological reasons. And yes, there are people who are just very stupid who "study" these things.


Do I believe in Atlantis specifically? No. It's clearly -- very clearly, when you read the text of Plato -- meant to be an allegory. To think it's real from the single text it appears in suggests a basic misunderstanding of the way fiction works. I don't look for Plato's Atlantis for the same reason I don't look for Prospero's Island, Elliot's Middlemarch of Rowlings' Hogwarts. That's one reason.

Do I believe in any ancient, advanced society? No. Despite the idea that you and others seem to push, there are no long gaps in the development of mankind for a society like that to fit into. There's no sudden revolution in development of the rest of mankind that needs such a society's "help" to explain. And there's not one piece of evidence to suggest one ever existed.
Not one. And every one that's ever been put forth as one has been a fake or conveniently disappeared.
And the related idea of supermen or gods exists as a myth. Myths explain /universal/ things in culturally specific terms, often in religious form, especially when there are no other rational ways for a society to figure them out. That universal bit is important. It's why variation of the same thing pop up around the world. Myths are fabrications and, even though one or two might be based on something real, to take them literally falls under exactly the same error in logic that looking for fictional places does. And your idea "survivors"? Part of the fiction -- they do exactly the same thing as Job's servants do in the book of Job: they alone are saved to continue and pass on the morality tale of the mythic people.

Do I believe in /any/ lost civilisations? Maybe. It's possible, but not likely.

Do I believe in sunken continents? No. Again, a brief introduction into actual plate tectonics is all that it takes to put to kibosh on 99.9% of ideas like that. Certainly, there would be proof of entire sunken continents. And subduction zones just don't go fast enough to consume cities on the timescales thrown around for Atlantis. But again, that hinges on taking Plato literally. Which is silly.

--Jaylemurph

such an aurgument is foolish when broken down